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For the past couple of years I have been listening to and reading some of the most powerful voices in America LYING to me, and my fellow Americans. They are telling me that we have to “get rid of illegal immigrants.” Feces Del Toro. We need to protect them from our own avarice, assure their safety and welfare, pay them a decent wage, welcome them into our communities and beg them to stay.

The problem of illegal immigration is simple. WE NEED THEIR BENT BACKS, AND THEIR HARD WORK, OR WE HAVE TO DO IT OURSELVES.

A software developer, with a mouth full of french fries from McDonald’s looks out over an onion field and sees hundreds of bent brown backs gathering onions and putting them into a box, thinking all the while that those sweating dirty bodies belong in Mexico or Central America and says to his friend with the mouth full of Big Mac...”Those illegals should all be deported.” Well deport them, and send the Big Mac with them. Let the french fries rot in the ground, unharvested because the software developer and his pal will not bend over and put the potato in the box. He will not go up the ladder and hand pick the apple or the orange or the peach that will be his finishing touch to the lunch he is enjoying.

Send the illegals home, and CLEAN YOUR OWN OFFICE. You get the honor of scrubbing out the toilets at work, carrying the trash to the bin out in the alley and cleaning the floors of the cubicle you work in. Sure, you earn 50 dollars an hour to produce the program that makes the record keeping easy, but that toilet still has to be cleaned every day, unless you are willing to share filth with all the other developers in your room full of cubes.

Do you really enjoy steak and lobster for dinner? Well go to a slaughter house for a few hours every day and MAKE steak. Or head for a cannery on the coast and prep that lobster catch, the thousands that are eaten every day for sale. And, why should you get your 50 an hour when you are doing that. After all the people doing it right now are earning one fifth that amount.

Sure you can find reasons for SENDING them all home, but you will want them back as soon as you get to the grocery store and find there are no packaged foods, fresh foods, organic apples or even bulk rice.

Get Real. You wear what they unload from shipping containers. You eat what they harvest, you live in a house they likely nailed together. YOU DID NOT DO THAT WORK. They did. You walk around in shoes that were taken from the container ship and put into the store your hard earned money was spent in. When you check into the spa for a facial, mud bath, massage and make over, that spa is clean, the towels and sheets you use are clean and on the shelf, and it is almost certain that you did not wash, iron, fold or put out any of them. You want to send these people home? You should be demanding that they get proper pay and benefits. You should be insisting that they have the best life in the USA has to offer, and YOU should be demanding that YOU pay for it. Of course I would be happy to provide the services you enjoy, but not for six fifty an hour. I rather enjoy spending a few hours with my family each day, finding out how school is going, and eating a nice, bountiful and nutritious meal.

You have everything you need. You don’t have everything you want. It does not matter who you are, where you are or what you are doing. You have everything you need. You don’t have everything you want. If you expect to continue to have everything you need you had better be willing to allow people to provide it for you, and you better be able to pay for it. You will never have everything you want. But if you expect to have ANYTHING you want, you better be ready to allow it to be provided for your consumption.
"The essence of all religions is one. Only their approaches are different." ~Mahatma Gandhi
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
If they are going to live here, they should speak the langauge!!! They should pay Taxes, pay for medical care, etc., the same as the rest of us that were born in this country.

BTW, the things you mentioned got done before they came here. You make it sound like we can't live without them. Believe me, we did & we can!
There are plenty of unskilled laborers collecting welfare because they claim there aren't any jobs for them. Deport the illegals and put the welfare leaches to work. The illegals are a double edged sword. They draw off of our system AND they take jobs away from our citizens - putting them on the welfare rolls as well. They are killing our economy much more than they are helpingi it.
Ed, according to your post, without illegals, "we the people" will have to learn to work hard, gather our own onions, clean up after ourselves, make our own steaks, prep our own lobsters, package - unload - gather our own food. Hallelujah & pass the gravy...I can't think of a lesson I'd rather every American learn than that one. It's long since time we stop depending on others, get on up and stop our whining. JMHO
If you have generation after generation of welfare good for nothings, I wonder, too.

Listen people, I spent all day last Saturday in Ensley and Fairfield. Those people don't speak English either. That was the toughest part of my job was trying to figure out what Unbrella was saying. (I swear, I tried to talk to a woman named Undrella.) And they weren't working, had granny, mama, babysdaddy, babysmama and NONE OF THEM HAD EVER WORKED. Why do you get so worked up over illegals. You think these people PAY taxes?
Look around you at the buildings, the dams, the bridges and the highways, how do you think this country got built in the first place? By working Americans, that's how! Putting 12 to 20 million more into medicare, medicaid, and social security would be the largest unfunded mandate in the history of the country and destroy the programs (all are on a slippery slope, already),
Once again you're trying to make this more complicated than it needs to be.
First you need to determine the difference between an immigrant and an illegal immigrant.
Now I'll try to explain this so even you can understand.
Say you have a house (the USA) with a front door (legal immigration) and a back door (illegal immigration). Many people come to the front door and ask if they can come in, but you're in control (immigration laws), so you decide who gets in and who doesn't. But, while you're watching the front door, someone sneaks in the back. You're logic is, "well, since he's mowing my yard I need to let him stay". My thinking is to get him out, board up the back door, and put a sign out that says "please use front door". As Inventor pointed out, there are plenty of people knocking on the front door.
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
For the past couple of years I have been listening to and reading some of the most powerful voices in America LYING to me,



Please allow me to ONCE AGAIN expose you as the unthinking, brain dead freak that you are.

You plagiarized this from:
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977047270

Typical liberal!
Plagerized hell. I wrote it and published it at gather. TYPICAL IMBICILE. I AM KARL L. Check the mail address at gather. I own the copyright to this article.
I will say this again, here, to clarify the problem that is being ignored. To continue growing at the sluggish rate the US economy is growing now, we need a half million new workers each year. More than we are presently creating domestically.

Swift Transportation, which cannot outsource driving jobs is importing 200 foreign workers a month from SPANISH speaking countries. And that is just one company. THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION RECRUITS FOREIGN BORN AND EDUCATED MD'S.
Typing in caps does not make your point any more valid.

The workers you mentioned are all legal workers. We need legal immigrants? OK. I'm cool with that. We do not need illegal immigrants. I need more money. I don't need conterfeit money. See the difference?

As an aside, the thought of Swift hiring that many foreign born drivers scares me down to my core. Have you been to Mexico? The Dominican Republic? I've been to both and the drivers in both countries were absolutely kamikaze in their attempts to get from point A to point B. Could the low wages that OTR trucking companies are offering have anything to do with their perceived need to import more foreign workers?
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
For the past couple of years I have been listening to and reading some of the most powerful voices in America LYING to me,



Please allow me to ONCE AGAIN expose you as the unthinking, brain dead freak that you are.

You plagiarized this from:
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977047270

Typical liberal!
Plagerized hell. I wrote it and published it at gather. TYPICAL IMBICILE. I AM KARL L. Check the mail address at gather. I own the copyright to this article.


I am confused.
Are EdEKit and MidKnightRider the same person - or does EdEKit think he's MidKnightRider?
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Originally posted by that smart chick:
Typing in caps does not make your point any more valid.

The workers you mentioned are all legal workers. We need legal immigrants? OK. I'm cool with that. We do not need illegal immigrants. I need more money. I don't need conterfeit money. See the difference?

As an aside, the thought of Swift hiring that many foreign born drivers scares me down to my core. Have you been to Mexico? The Dominican Republic? I've been to both and the drivers in both countries were absolutely kamikaze in their attempts to get from point A to point B. Could the low wages that OTR trucking companies are offering have anything to do with their perceived need to import more foreign workers?
Sorry fella, ten percent of the people working in the USA are illegal immigrants. ONE IN TEN. that is about twice the unemployment rate in the country.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
I wrote it and published it at gather. TYPICAL IMBICILE. I AM KARL L. Check the mail address at gather. I own the copyright to this article.



And you're claiming it?

Next time perhaps you should think before you write. JMO
Yes I am claiming it, and perhaps my thinking has you confuzzled. Just look at the data.
To Clarify. I am Karl L. Author on Gather of the article in question. If you check you will find that on Gather.com most of the posters are using their real names. That's how you sign up there. EdEKit is an alias that I have been using for at least 8 years. On Gather my mail address, within their system is edekit. Easy enough to understand. When I do start calling myself names, and I have, I will not be posting the conversations.
First of all most illegals do pay federal taxes, state taxes, social security and medicare. Most employers are not that stupid. And yes...many do claim a lot of dependents so they don't have to pay a lot in Taxes. But with what they are paid they get it all back anyways. As for Social Security and Med paid.....they can't ever get that back. Imagine, 10 million Social Security payments no longer being made. Without those 10 Million payments, the entire system will collapse much sooner than its expected to already.

But beyond that...I hear everyone say that Americans will do the jobs that they do. Okay...that may be true to some extent. But for what price will they do those jobs and how long will they stay with them? Come on....How much would an farmer have to pay you to pick veggies in a field from dawn to dusk through the crop season? How much would an employer have to pay you to work out in 95 degree weather retaring roads? What kind of compensation would you expect to clean and de-gut chickens all day? How much money would it take to have you wash dishes in an restaurant kitchen (without air conditioning) for 10 hrs a day for the summer? Do you think you'd be content with this work? How much would an employer have to pay you to stay with this type of employement and not look for something else? When is the last time you went out and applied for one of these jobs?

Okay...so we get Americans do these jobs. So how much are you willing to pay for a meal in a restaurant? Estimates if Americans were doing this job are approximatly $23.00 PER meal more than you pay now. How much of your budget is spent on groceries every week? Well you better get a second job! Paved roads are one of the few ways we actually benefit from the taxes we pay. But there going to cost a lot more now which means your coughing up a lot more to Uncle Sam in taxes along with the Social Security difference that needs to be made up to pay for all the baby boomers headed to retirement.

I hear all kinds of complaints about them sending US dollars back home to Mexico. And there right, most of them do. They send it home to feed their parents primarily. There is no equivalant to Social Security in Mexico.... Their parents are typically the reason most of these awfull people, leave their homes for years and years (often at only 14 or 15 years old) with nothing but the close on their backs, risk their lives to walk miles through the dessert (with the help of a coyote guide). Who they have to pay (in either cash or bondage) for the privlege of getting them across the boarder alive. I said ALIVE not SAFE. Because they all know before they set out to come here that they will be blessed if the coyotes don't rape them, beat them or make them smuggle baggies of drugs in the stomachs. We never hear about all them who never even make it to the boarder. Think of this.. I can't even get my son to take out the trash.

And then they get here... They get a job, they pay rent, they buy clothes, they buy food, they pay utilities, they buy cars and gas, they pay for all the things you and I pay for. And whats left out of the little bit they are paid they send back home. The conversion rate is 10-1 right now. They may send $100.00 back to Mexico each month. Well thats a $1000.00 in Mexico and that is a FORTUNE to them. How often do you send money out of the U.S. ? When is the last time you bought anything that said MADE IN TIAWAN?

I can't stand it when I hear people say things like "Why don't they just come here legal"! Why? Lets try HOW? People here have no idea how INS works or how long it takes. I am married to a Mexican (Mr. Finklestien). We've been married for 9 years. We filed our original Petition with INS 4 months after we were married. And here we are 8 years , 6 months and countless thousands of dollars later. Still waiting. Still sending in forms and fees. We both work HARD and we pay our taxes and Social Security (although I be out of luck if anything ever happened to him). About a year ago we could have PURCHASED a legal work permit ($8000.00) from a company along the Texas/Mexico boarder. Apparently, this company is is one of the fortunate few who is able to some of the few Work-based VISAs INS provides each year. And I guess (like the coyotes) their making a fortune off them. This would have allowed my husband to re-enter the US legally and then adjust his status as soon as he came in. Many people told me this way is usually a little quicker and it would save us from having to go to Mexico for our interview (If we ever get it). But we didn't want to risk it. Maybe before my son graduates my husband will have his papers. We hope.

Whats really amazing to me is that very few of the people yelling "send them back....they broke the law" have ever even checked to see how they came to get here or rather how their families got here. I can almost guarantee that if they did ever look into it they would find (with the exclusion of the most wealthy families) that they to came here illegally. .
They broke the law to get here. They do not belong here. They do not have a right to be here. If they die en route then that is the price they pay for the risk they knowingly took and that is too bad. I have zero pity nor compassion for them. Have you ever been to Mexico? Do you know what happens to people from Guatemala who sneak into Mexico? I have friends in Guatemala and they can tell you some stories that will chill your blood. Do you know what would happen if you drove into Mexico and went a little too far south? Read this story about an Athens police officer who found out how nice the folks in Mexico are to the gringos. Then come back and tell me to pity the poor Mexicans.

And my people? My dad's people came over from Scotland, legally and the others were Native Americans. My mom's folks came through Ellis Island all nice and legal. The Mexicans can come over legally, too.
I am not disagreeing with you that it would be better if they all came here legally. Of course it would... The point is that when the system requires that people wait 10 or more years, when Work Visas are being SOLD by the companies that are able to get them, when immigrating to the US legally costs more than you could possibly make in a lifetime in Mexico......the system is broke!!


Why yes....I have been to Mexico. Have you ever been to Mexico? Do you even know anyone from Mexico? Do you beleive that this is the first time anyone heard anything like this about the Mexican Government? Yes....its corrupt. Yes...it frightening. Everyone knows that and no one more so than the people of Mexico. Mexicans don't stand behind their Government or its policies? zTheir government is corrupt. Corruption is EVERYWHERE from the President to the police. Its do or die there. You do what they say or you die? Whos behind all this corruption? The drug cartel. Who fuels the cartel the demand for the drugs here in the U.S. And I really think this is part of the problem. Mexican realize this. Its part of their daily lives. And they assume that we know it too. But as Americans we tend to be somewhat self absorbed and only see what we want to see. Mexico has been bought and silenced by the drug cartel. Their government no longer has any regard for its people, it robs them, blackmails them, tortures them. They fear their government. And live without representation or rights. No one in power can be trusted. The people of Mexico have NO alligence to their Government, they only have alligence to the other people in Mexico *their families and neighbors".

And I wasn't asking what route your family took to get here what I was asking was did the complete the process. Just because they came through Ellis Island or Scottland legally doesn't mean they completed the process.
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Originally posted by Mrs Finklestien:

Whats really amazing to me is that very few of the people yelling "send them back....they broke the law" have ever even checked to see how they came to get here or rather how their families got here. I can almost guarantee that if they did ever look into it they would find (with the exclusion of the most wealthy families) that they to came here illegally. .


First, Mrs. F., my sympathies for your quandary. Second, I am familiar with how the INS operates in some small way since I have Indian friends attempting to bring their spouses and other family members here. Third, I do know where I came from and when. For the record, I never had any ancestors immigrate to the United States, either legally or illegally. May I add this is true for most of us dyed-in-the-wool Southerners.
Excellent post Mrs. F. It is very true that people see what they want to see. What can be plain as day to some cannot be seen by others whose visions are colored with prejudice or xenophobia or just downright ignorance.

The simple fact that every one of us would be doing the exact same thing -- if we had the courage and dedication to our families that the vast majority of those who come to this country (either legally or illegally) have -- is simply not relevant to many who were fortunate enough to have been born in this land of milk and honey.

I say, "Mr. Bush, tear down those walls!" We are all God's children. No borders. We don't own this land, we merely get to tred on it for a short time. The Earth and all that is in it belongs to the Great Creator who teaches us to share in the abundance he has bestowed on us."
Okay, tomorrow I'm moving into your house, Peace Brother. I'm going to sleep on your couch, eat your food, use your bathroom, and watch your TV. I'm an MTSU fan, so I expect you to wear blue and pull for the Raiders on Saturdays during football season. I'll be very offended if you don't and we wouldn't want that. To make you feel better, I'll do your dishes since you don't like to do them. It doesn't matter if you don't like it, you really have no say in the matter. No borders, remember?

Immigration laws are supposed to let the good, hard working people in while the criminals and those with TB and other diseases can't come in. Yes, our immigration laws are messed up, that doesn't mean we should just do away with them and let everyone in unchecked.

This country is like our house, we welcome those we want and lock our doors to keep those we don't out. We have to lock this country's doors before the problem gets worse.
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Originally posted by Mrs Finklestien:
I am not disagreeing with you that it would be better if they all came here legally. Of course it would... The point is that when the system requires that people wait 10 or more years, when Work Visas are being SOLD by the companies that are able to get them, when immigrating to the US legally costs more than you could possibly make in a lifetime in Mexico......the system is broke!!


Why yes....I have been to Mexico. Have you ever been to Mexico? Do you even know anyone from Mexico? Do you beleive that this is the first time anyone heard anything like this about the Mexican Government? Yes....its corrupt. Yes...it frightening. Everyone knows that and no one more so than the people of Mexico. Mexicans don't stand behind their Government or its policies? zTheir government is corrupt. Corruption is EVERYWHERE from the President to the police. Its do or die there. You do what they say or you die? Whos behind all this corruption? The drug cartel. Who fuels the cartel the demand for the drugs here in the U.S. And I really think this is part of the problem. Mexican realize this. Its part of their daily lives. And they assume that we know it too. But as Americans we tend to be somewhat self absorbed and only see what we want to see. Mexico has been bought and silenced by the drug cartel. Their government no longer has any regard for its people, it robs them, blackmails them, tortures them. They fear their government. And live without representation or rights. No one in power can be trusted. The people of Mexico have NO alligence to their Government, they only have alligence to the other people in Mexico *their families and neighbors".

And I wasn't asking what route your family took to get here what I was asking was did the complete the process. Just because they came through Ellis Island or Scottland legally doesn't mean they completed the process.


The system is broke, no joke. That does not excuse people and allow them to break the law.

I've been to Mexico several times. I have worked in the factories in Mexico right along side the Mexicans. I have friends in Guatemala who came here legally on student visas and then went home when they were supposed to. Imagine that! And Guatemala is hell compared to Mexico. Guatemalans try to sneak into Mexico for a better life! Guess what the Mexican government does to them? They don't treat them like we treat the Mexicans. I have a friend from Mexico who came here to the US on a legal work visa, worked for two years, renewed his visa as he was supposed to, got married, was laid off from his job and had to return home to Mexico for 2 years while his citizenship application papers were sorted out. He was in Mexico without his wife for 2 years because that was the legal way to go about becoming a citizen. It would have been easy to just overstay his visa and carry on, but that isn't the way moral people do things.

Yes, my great-grandparents completed the process. My father's people (from Scotland) did and my mother's people from Italy did. My Italian side of the family had their last names changed and went through hell as immigrants in the US. They learned English, their kids learned English, and they sure as heck didn't collect any welfare. We do not need illegals.
Some of these number appear large, but they do point to a great cost for harboring illegals.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

"Based on Census Bureau data, this study finds that, when all taxes paid (direct and indirect) and all costs are considered, illegal households created a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of more than $10 billion in 2002. We also estimate that, if there was an amnesty for illegal aliens, the net fiscal deficit would grow to nearly $29 billion."
"Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household."
"Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion)."

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm
"In hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year."

http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
Number of illegals incarcerated - 340,748
Cost of incarcerations since 2001 - $1,433,010,618
Skilled jobs taken by illegals - 10,031,400
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No prob, Nash. Just let me know what time to expect you so I can roll out the red carpet. Go Raiders! No need to worry about the dishes, we just eat with our hands....


No, you'll use dishes now and cater to my culture. I won't let you know when I'm coming. I don't have to if your door is wide open, so just be ready. I also have a highly contagious form of the flu and I plan on smuggling in some meth and crack and selling it from your living room. Finally, I'll be deducting around 30% of your pay check to pay for my kids to go to your schools, my car to damage your roads, and for us all to enjoy the ER when we get a headache.

But hey, no borders and cheap labor. Is it worth it?
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Originally posted by interventor:
Firenze,

Unless you're cherokee, chickasaw, creek or similar your ancestors did immigrate here at sometime. Even the indians immigrated here at some point, they aren't autochthonous - created from the land, itself. Most of mine came about 1648, except for the cherokee branch.


Unless her ancestors were forced to come here as slaves.

FirenzeVeritas...I'm probably thinking way too deep, but did your dyed-in-the-wool reference mean dyed literally (skin color) before before being woven into this country's cloth? If so, cool choice of words.
Hum....thats very interesting and yet California is the wealthiest state in this country.

Let me first put forth the fact that up until up until the late 19th century this country had free and open immigration. There was no system. People just came into the US, without paperwork, medical exams or payments. So if your families came into the US during the 18th or 19th centuries they came in unchecked and un"VET" as well. (And this word speaks volumes to your genuin motives)


Secondly, there have been waves of immigration both legal and illegal coming into this country throughout our history (1840-1880 UK, Ireland, Germany, Scandanavia. 1900-1930 we saw a wave of immigrants from Southern & Central Europe, etc...) The influx of immigration into this country has always been determined by events happening in other parts of the world (ie: War, oppression, hunger, poverty and human rights issues).

Again, I am not saying illegal immigration is the answer. We do need to get control over it. We do need to know who is coming in. People need to be acccounted for. But right now, the system doesn't work. The laws don't work.

Also, it is very nice to produce numbers, but these numbers are #1 are not agreed upon by everyone and #2 mean absolutly nothing without the consideration of a number of other factors; such as: the economic impact of these 10+ Million people and honest acknowledgement of why they came to be working here in the first place. The latter is very simple. You can blame the employers all you want but the reality of it is that you and I have demanded it.

Lets start with the economy. Lets just say we could somehow deport 10+million people (1 in 10 people residing here). You must realize that that would mean that every business in the US from grocery stores, clothing stores, gas stations, landlords, restaurants, movie theaters, etc.... will take a 10% hit in reduction of business. That alone is enough to put many small business owners out of business. And everything funded through the states, counties and city municipalities collection of sales tax would take a 10% hit.

But it gets much worse. Now we have to get Americans to come do the jobs that the illegals were doing. So the businesses run their ads in the employment section of the paper

"Wanted long term employee to work as restaurant dish washer. Hours: Tues - Sun 10:00am-9:00pm with 2 hour break. Wage $6.00 an hour. Benefits: non available Please do not apply if you suffer from heat sickness as temperatures in kitchen average over 90 degrees during the summer months.

Find me one American who will answer this ad, accept this job and keep it for any length of time. ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Not when there is no shortage of jobs in air-conditioned convience stores where unskilled workers can sit on their butts and make $7.00 an hour.

The ad would have to be altered. The restaurant owner would have to hire 2 people (one full time and one part time) and invest in training them both. And they would have to offer them much more incentive. Perhaps $11.00 an hour with benefits would be enough to get an American do to do this job.

The restuarant owner is now paying well over double in compensation (wages & benefits) for his help. In additon he is paying almost double for his merchandise because his suppliers and growers have faced the same situation and have past those cost on to the restauranteur. The only option the business owner has is to pass his costs on to the customer. Thus, a meal once enjoyed for $10.00 will now cost over $30.00. (And this is not exclusive to the restaurant industry but a majority of industries from farming, to contracting, to manufacturing, hospitalities, etc..)

Now the cost of groceries has increase, the cost of houses have increased, rents will increase, taxes will increase, etc...

Then you get to the luxury products like "widgets".
Employee: "Hey boss...I need a raise. The prices of everything are so high right now and I just can't make ends meet any more"
Boss: "Well....I understand your situation. I'm paying for the same increases. Everyone is paying them. As a result we're just not selling widgets like we used to. Pay increases are not an option. The truth is I'm going to have to start laying some of you off next month."

The Demand for products will dropped by 10% and the cost of producing products (supply) will go up even more. This doesn't equal inflated wages. It equals recession or perhaps a lot worse.

This is the reality of the situation and the reason the government of the U.S. has not enforced the immigration laws currently on the book. This is why the Social Security Admin. is not allowed to pass along information on invalid Social Security numbers to the INS. Wake up
You don't need to numbers or tilted statistics to realize this. You just need to think about it.

Why do business hire illegals? Because "WE" the CUSTOMERS demand it.

Contractor A: Will build you a garage & promise not to hire illegals or use any materials produced by illegals. Cost of garage $25000.00

Contractor B: Will build you the same garage and makes no promise about who he'll hire or where he'll purchase materials. They do not make that promise. Cost of garage $10000.00.

Choose your contractor?

NashBama: I was just wondering... what culture is the United States of America? I was under the impression that we were a melting pot of all cultures. I'm not originally from the South. People here sound a lot different from people in other parts of the U.S. The eat a lot of things like like turnip greens and red velvet cake here which they don't in many other parts of the U.S. and I really don't understand why I see so many confederate flags all over town. There are different people and different cultural influences all over the United States. And they all blend to become a new culture. That IS our identity to be MULTI-CULTURAL.

Furthermore, I make a very good living. We are probably somewhere in the 85 -95% bracket for this area. And we pay a LOT in TAXES. I have to pay for private insurance for my son and myself (my husband cannot get be put on our plan) which costs me over $300.00 per month and its CRAP. The mother of my sons best friend (an American citizen) has lived with her boy friend for the past 7 years. He is a welder, and as I am told, he makes pretty good money. They have 4 kids, two of which biologically belong to the boyfriend. They live in nice double-wide trailer which is paid for by the State of Alabama. The state also pays for their utilities, provides them with food stamps and her kids have better medical insurance than mine (including full dental, vision and perscription benefits). All four kids attend school and get free lunches. Their mother spends her days either shopping at JC Pennys or sitting on her butt watching TV. And in Feburary new truck with the Earned Income Tax Refund she got. Their 3rd vehical.

I hate to tell you this but there are many more American citizens on welfare than illegal immigrants. And me & my Mexican husband are supporting them with our taxes as much as you are. And I don't know about you but it pisses me off that my tax dollars go to pay for ANY of them. I don't understand how being an AMERICAN CITIZEN gives a person MORE entitlement to welch off the rest of the hard working, tax paying, honest people in this country. And as I said earlier, most illegals ARE paying fed and state taxes, social security and medicare and never getting anything for the payments they make. That argument just doesn't hold any water with me.

NashBama this country doesn't belong to you or whatever culture you happen to claim. It belongs to people of all cultures and that is what makes us such a great country in the first place. Our constitution spells that out. I HAVE READ IT! It is the diversity of this country that makes us so strong and so compelling

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