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An old woman of 90 from Valdres in Norway had a vision from God in 1968. The evangelist Emanuel Minos had meetings (services) where she lived. He had the opportunity to meet her, and she told him what she had seen. He wrote it down, but thought it to be so unintelligible that he put it in a drawer.

 

Now, almost 30 years later, he understands he has to share the vision with others.

The woman from Valdres was a very alert, reliable, awake and credible Christian, with a good reputation among all who knew her. This is what she saw:

 

“I saw the time just before the coming of Jesus and the outbreak of the Third World War. I saw the events with my natural eyes. I saw the world like a kind of a globe and saw Europe, land by land. I saw Scandinavia. I saw Norway. I saw certain things that would take place just before the return of Jesus, and just before the last calamity happens, a calamity the likes of which we have never before experienced.

 

She mentioned four waves:

 

1. “First before Jesus comes and before the Third World War breaks out there will be a ‘dÉtente’ like we have never had before. There will be peace between the super powers in the east and the west, and there will be a long peace.

(Remember, that this was in 1968 when the cold war was at its highest. E. Minos)

 

In this period of peace there will be disarmament in many countries, also in Norway and we are not prepared when it (the war) comes.

 

The Third World War will begin in a way no one would have anticipated – and from an unexpected place.

 

2. “A lukewarmness without parallel will take hold of the Christians, a falling away from true, living Christianity. Christians will not be open for penetrating preaching. They will not, like in earlier times, want to hear of sin and grace, law and gospel, repentance and restoration. There will come a substitute instead: prosperity (happiness) Christianity.

 

“The important thing will be to have success, to be something; to have material things, things that God never promised us in this way. Churches and prayer houses will be emptier and emptier.

 

Instead of the preaching we have been used to for generations -like, to take your cross up and follow Jesus, – entertainment, art and culture will invade the churches where there should have been gatherings for repentance and revival. This will increase markedly just before the return of Jesus.

 

3. “There will be a moral disintegration that old Norway has never experienced the likes of. People will live together like married without being married. (I do not believe the concept ‘co-habitor’? existed in 1968 – E. Minos.) Much uncleanness before marriage, and much infidelity in marriage will become the natural (the common), and it will be justified from every angle.

 

It will even enter Christian circles and we pet it – even sin against nature. Just before Jesus return there will be TV- programs like we have never experienced. (TV had just arrived in Norway in 1968. E. Minos)

 

“TV will be filled with such horrible violence that it teaches people to murder and destroy each other, and it will be unsafe in our streets. People will copy what they see. There will not be only one ‘station’ on TV, it will be filled with ‘stations.’ (She did not know the word ‘channel’ which we use today. Therefore she called them stations. E. Minos.)

 

TV will be just like the radio where we have many ‘stations,’ and it will be filled with violence. People will use it for entertainment. We will see terrible scenes of murder and destruction one of the other, and this will spread in society. Sex scenes will also be shown on the screen, the most intimate things that takes place in a marriage.”

(I protested and said, we have a paragraph that forbids this kind of thing. E. Minos.)

 

There the old woman said: “It will happen, and you will see it. All we have had before will be broken down, and the most indecent things will pass before our eyes.”

 

4. “People from poor countries will stream to Europe. (In 1968 there was no such thing as immigration. E. Minos.) They will also come to Scandinavia – and Norway. There will be so many of them that people will begin to dislike them and become hard with them. They will be treated like the Jews before the Second World War.

 

Then the full measure of our sins will have been reached (I protested at the issue of immigration. I did not understand it at the time. E. Minos.)

 

The tears streamed from the old woman’s eyes down her cheeks. “I will not see it, but you will. Then suddenly, Jesus will come and the Third World War breaks out. It will be a short war.” (She saw it in the vision.)

 

“All that I have seen of war before is only child’s play compared to this one, and it will be ended with a nuclear atom bomb. The air will be so polluted that one cannot draw one’s breath. It will cover several continents, America, Japan, Australia and the wealthy nations.

 

The water will be ruined (contaminated?). We can no longer till the soil. The result will be that only a remnant will remain. The remnant in the wealthy countries will try to flee to the poor countries, but they will be as hard on us as we were on them.

 

“I am so glad that I will not see it, but when the time draws near, you must take courage and tell this. I have received it from God, and nothing of it goes against what the Bible tells.

“The one who has his sin forgiven and has Jesus as Savior and Lord, is safe.”

WHEN THE OIL FLOWS

An elder in the Pentecostal Church at Moss, Norway, Martin Andersen, heard the following prophecy in 1937, in Moss:

 

When oil comes out of the North Sea and along the Norwegian coast, things will begin to happen, and the return of Jesus is approaching.’

 

When these words had been proclaimed, people stood up in the congregation and asked the man to sit down and not speak such nonsense. In 1937 it was indeed nonsense to talk about oil being pumped along the Norwegian coast. Today all the world’s big oil companies are pumping oil along the coast of Norway. Norway is the world’s second greatest exporter of oil – after Saudi Arabia.

The sum of it all is: Jesus is coming soon (suddenly).

 

Original source editor’s note: The above account was originally transmitted from Israel to friends in the US. It was sent by a Norwegian Christian worker by the name of Ragna Von Porat. Ragna states in a footnote that it was translated from Danish. She further states that Emanuel Minos, the evangelist mentioned in the account, was her friend’s closest neighbor in Oslo. She says, “I heard him in my young days. My parents knew him.”

 

Because of my fear of transmitting false prophecy, I have diligently inquired concerning the information in this letter. Publication has been delayed until permission could be secured from Ragna in Israel. In my contact with her, she has assured me that these accounts are true and reliable. In fact, she relates that the first account has already been published in one of Norway’s Christian newspapers.

 

I have found in my own research that the first account was also published by the Christian Information Service in Germany. The website of Dr. Emanuel Minos is active today and can be accessed for verification. Although the language on this site is Norwegian, the very similar story of the woman and her vision is posted there in English. The above accounts are transmitted just as they were received.

 

Ragna took it upon herself to verify as much of the above information as she could. In contacting the Embassy of Norway she learned that Norway has now dropped to the world’s third largest oil exporter.

 

Ragna states, “I certainly have no objection to your going ahead [with publishing]. It must be now-if ever.”

 

 

http://beforeitsnews.com/proph...-norway-2470874.html

 

 

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The prophetic nutterances of this nattering Norwegian ninny,  like so many other claimed "visions from God," are either delusional or purposely contrived.  Her dire predictions deserve no more credibility than the many alleged "visions" of the former virgin Mary or the babbling of the deranged woman who shows up every year or so in Birmingham to announce some new revelation from the visions she allegedly experienced as part of the silly Medjugorje madness.

 

 http://vatican.medjugorje.com/

 

http://www.medjugorje.com/medj...s-bedroom-field.html

People have been looking for Jesus return from the time that John the Revelator wrote Revelations. 
Many people have "predicted " the end of times was upon us every since. Even right now, TV preachers, like Haggi are predicting the end in the next 3 or 4 years, If all the Christians who TRULY believed scriptures , should stone to death any "prophits" whose predictions fail to come true, likke Scriptures tell us to do, we would probably hear a lot less from these nuts.

 

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by House of David:
She is not the FORMER Virgin Mary.
She is the PERPETUAL Virgin Mary.

Uh, she had several children after Jesus, with Joseph  being their father. 
She is no longer a virgin, sorry .

 

David is just saying the Bible doesn't say Mary had children after Jesus.

All the people said to be children of Mary are accounted for and placed

with their natural parents within the Bible.

 

Sorry, She didn't. The Father would never have allowed that anyway.

It's all in the Bible.

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The word for brother (or sister), adelphos (adelpha) in Greek, denotes a brother or sister, or near kinsman. Aramaic and other semitic languages could not distinguish between a blood brother or sister and a cousin, for example. Hence, John the Baptist, a cousin of Jesus (the son of Elizabeth, cousin of Mary) would be called "a brother (adelphos) of Jesus." In the plural, the word means a community based on identity of origin or life. Additionally, the word adelphos is used for (1) male children of the same parents (Mt 1:2); (2) male descendants of the same parents (Acts 7:23); (3) male children of the same mother (Gal 1:19); (4) people of the same nationality (Acts 3:17); (5) any man, a neighbor (Lk 10:29); (6) persons united by a common interest (Mt 5:47); (7) persons united by a common calling (Rev 22:9); (8) man

Jesus was an only child. 
Mary devoted all over her attention to Him.  That was her vocation in life.

Originally Posted by Seeweed

Uh, she had several children after Jesus, with Joseph  being their father.  She is no longer a virgin, sorry .

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The New Testament speaks of two men called James who were close followers of the Lord. One is James the Greater, the son of Zebedee (see Matt. 4:21, 10:2, 26:37, Mark 1:19-20, 3:17, 10:35, Luke 5:10, John 21:2).

 

This James and his brother, John, were nicknamed Boanerges by Jesus; the nickname means "sons of thunder."

 

The second James, known as the Less because of his short stature, was the son of Mary, the wife of Cleophas (a man whose name is also rendered as Clopas and Alphaeus).

 

He is the one mentioned in Matthew 13:55 (see also Matt. 10:3, Mark 3:18, Luke 6:15, Acts 1:13). The problem for those who insist that James the Less was Jesus' literal brother is that both of these Jameses are identified as sons of other men and women, not sons of Mary and Joseph.

 

Some biblical concordances give the impression that there were three different men named James in the New Testament: James, son of Zebedee; James, son of Cleophas; and James, the "brother of the Lord."

 

This distinction is not accurate because the James who is called the "brother of the Lord" in Matthew 13:55 is identified in Matthew 27:56 as the son of Mary, the wife of Cleophas.

 

If the Father would be so flip about the Mother of his Son, I doubt he

would have need for the Holy Spirit and virginal birth. The Father did

honor the request of an adolescent Mary when she prayed  saying, I

wish to serve you only and I wish to never know man.

  

Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

 

If the Father would be so flip about the Mother of his Son, I doubt he

would have need for the Holy Spirit and virginal birth. The Father did

honor the request of an adolescent Mary when she prayed  saying, I

wish to serve you only and I wish to never know man.

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 Uh, Jack, would you be so kind as to tell us where it is recorded that the former virgin, Mary, said any such prayer?

 

Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

All you need to be concerned with are the Bible verses...

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Then show them to us, Jack.  Put up the Bible verses where the former virgin Mary said "I

wish to serve you only and I wish to never know man" or anything even close to that.

 

You can't do it, Jack, because there are NO verses in the Bible that carry any such meaning.

NONE, Jack! Nada!  And your unresponsive reply clearly shows that you have not been able to find those imaginary verses. You can't even find them in the Catholic (Douay version) Bible, Jack, because no such words are in there!  You can't find them anywhere except apparently in your wishful imagination.

 

You, Jack, "need to be concerned" with telling the truth, a practice in which you have shown severe deficiencies.

Here's what happened:

Earlier I posted an account of a woman from Norway and you took the

opportunity to kick the Mother of Jesus in the face which nothing delights

you more and since she had nothing to do with the subject of the post to

start with. So someone called your hand on the uncalled for defamation

of the good name of the woman God calls his Mother. Then the siblings

of Jesus were called into question, so I posted from the Bible proof of the

fact Jesus was an only child. And at a later time I told you all you need to

be concerned with are the Bible verses.

 

The part about the prayer of Mary in serving God only and never wanting

to know man wasn't in the Bible, and I NEVER said it was in the Bible.

You know nothing about the old lady in Norway but state as a fact you

know without question everything about it. Fool. If it's not in the Bible, it

didn't happen. Fool. You have no idea about the life of Jesus' Mother but

will believe the people as ignorant as you when they haven't anymore a

shred of evidence as you. So now show me where I said the part about

"serving God only and never wanting to know man" was in or came from

the Bible. Because you can't but you know I didn't say it was from the Bible.

So you deliberately tried to sell that lie.

 

So if you would, please point me to the part of your Bible that nailed Mary,

the Mother of Jesus, to any child besides Jesus.

 

Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

Here's what happened:

Earlier I posted an account of a woman from Norway and you took the

opportunity to kick the Mother of Jesus in the face which nothing delights

you more and since she had nothing to do with the subject of the post to

start with. So someone called your hand on the uncalled for defamation

of the good name of the woman God calls his Mother. Then the siblings

of Jesus were called into question, so I posted from the Bible proof of the

fact Jesus was an only child. And at a later time I told you all you need to

be concerned with are the Bible verses.

 

The part about the prayer of Mary in serving God only and never wanting

to know man wasn't in the Bible, and I NEVER said it was in the Bible.

You know nothing about the old lady in Norway but state as a fact you

know without question everything about it. Fool. If it's not in the Bible, it

didn't happen. Fool. You have no idea about the life of Jesus' Mother but

will believe the people as ignorant as you when they haven't anymore a

shred of evidence as you. So now show me where I said the part about

"serving God only and never wanting to know man" was in or came from

the Bible. Because you can't but you know I didn't say it was from the Bible.

So you deliberately tried to sell that lie.

 

So if you would, please point me to the part of your Bible that nailed Mary,

the Mother of Jesus, to any child besides Jesus.

 

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Jack, anyone buying into your "explanation,' would have to have just fallen out of the turnip truck!

 

Here is the history of our discussion on the alleged remarks by Mary: 

 

JACK: The Father did honor the request of an adolescent Mary when she prayed  saying, I

wish to serve you only and I wish to never know[sic] man.

 

CONTENDAHH:  Uh, Jack, would you be so kind as to tell us where it is recorded that the former virgin, Mary, said any such prayer?

 

JACK:  All you need to be concerned with are the Bible verses...

 

CONTENDAHH:  Then show them to us, Jack.  Put up the Bible verses where the former virgin Mary said, "I wish to serve you only and I wish to never know[sic] man" or anything even close to that.

 

You can't do it, Jack, because there are NO verses in the Bible that carry any such meaning.

NONE, Jack! Nada!  And your unresponsive reply clearly shows that you have not been able to find those imaginary verses. You can't even find them in the Catholic (Douay version) Bible, Jack, because no such words are in there!  You can't find them anywhere except apparently in your wishful imagination.

 

You, Jack, "need to be concerned" with telling the truth, a practice in which you have shown severe deficiencies.

 

JACK:  The part about the prayer of Mary in serving God only and never wanting

to know man wasn't in the Bible, and I NEVER said it was in the Bible.

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"[N]ever said it was in the Bible," Jack? Then what in thunder did you mean by your initial answer, namely, " All you need to be concerned with are the Bible verses..."???

 

Come ON, Jack--this dissimulation of yours is achieving new extremes.  Show us the Bible verse(s) where Mary said what you allege her to have said or admit they are not there.

 

If you found her utterance somewhere other then in the Bible, show us where she is reported to have said,  "I wish to serve you only and I wish to never know[sic] man."

 

Back it up, Jack, or back off!

 

"[N]ever said it was in the Bible," Jack? Then what in thunder did you mean by your initial answer, namely, " All you need to be concerned with are the Bible verses..."???

 

You know very well the subject was the number of children of Mary and

where in the Bible does it say she had more than one child.

Do you want to keep dodging the question or show me Biblical proof

of more than one child of the Virgin Mary.?

 

I have shown you the Bible doesn't speak of anyone other than Jesus

as her total offspring. I told you her declaration of a life without marriage.

It isn't in the Bible for the second time, where it's found has nothing to do

with the Bible. Don't sidetrack or sidestep the real issue, Where are the

rest of Mary's children in the Bible. If you can't handle that you sure can't

handle anything beyond the Bible........  

 

Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

"[N]ever said it was in the Bible," Jack? Then what in thunder did you mean by your initial answer, namely, " All you need to be concerned with are the Bible verses..."???

 

You know very well the subject was the number of children of Mary and

where in the Bible does it say she had more than one child.

Do you want to keep dodging the question or show me Biblical proof

of more than one child of the Virgin Mary.?

 

I have shown you the Bible doesn't speak of anyone other than Jesus

as her total offspring. I told you her declaration of a life without marriage.

It isn't in the Bible for the second time, where it's found has nothing to do

with the Bible. Don't sidetrack or sidestep the real issue, Where are the

rest of Mary's children in the Bible. If you can't handle that you sure can't

handle anything beyond the Bible........  

 

 

Back it up, condung, or back off

 

Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

"[N]ever said it was in the Bible," Jack? Then what in thunder did you mean by your initial answer, namely, " All you need to be concerned with are the Bible verses..."???

 

You know very well the subject was the number of children of Mary and

where in the Bible does it say she had more than one child.

Do you want to keep dodging the question or show me Biblical proof

of more than one child of the Virgin Mary.?

 

I have shown you the Bible doesn't speak of anyone other than Jesus

as her total offspring. I told you her declaration of a life without marriage.

It isn't in the Bible for the second time, where it's found has nothing to do

with the Bible. Don't sidetrack or sidestep the real issue, Where are the

rest of Mary's children in the Bible. If you can't handle that you sure can't

handle anything beyond the Bible........  

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Jack, you say, "It isn't in the Bible for the second time, where it's found has nothing to do

 with the Bible."  But you do NOT tell us where it IS found. Come on, Jack, YOU are the one who alleged that the former Virgin Mary SAID THOSE WORDS.  That assertion was a part of your attempt to back up your belief in the perpetual virginity of Mary.  Since you are demonstrably unable to cite ANY SOURCE WHATEVER for your claim, you are obliged to abandon any dependence on that alleged statement of Mary as any kind of proof of her perpetual virginity.

 

To continue to rely on such an unsubstantiated statement is intellectual dishonesty in the extreme.

 

Now, Jack, even though have decided to blither and dither and evade my challenge to you to state your source for Mary;'s alleged statement, I will nevertheless address the other part of your post, namely the matter of Jesus' brothers, a topic you have previously submitted, and which I and others have previously rebutted.

 

As to those brothers of Jesus and his sisters as well, Jack. Jesus’ brothers are mentioned in several Bible verses.  Matthew 12:46Luke 8:19, John 2:12, and Mark 3:31 say that Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see Him. These brothers are described as living and journeying with Mary, Jesus' mother and the logical inference is   that they were members of her and His immediate family.The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55).  The most natural conclusion of these passages is to interpret that Jesus had actual blood half-siblings.


Some Roman Catholics claim that these “brothers” were actually Jesus’ cousins. However, in each instance, the specific Greek word for “brother” is used. While the word can refer to other relatives, its normal and literal meaning is a physical brother. There was a Greek word for “cousin,” and it was not used. Further, if they were Jesus’ cousins, why would they so often be described as being with Mary, Jesus’ mother? There is nothing in the context of His mother and brothers coming to see Him that even hints that they were anyone other than His literal, blood-related, half-brothers.

 

A sensible discussion of the BROTHERS of Jesus is found in a standard reference work, The Westminster Bible Dictionary:

 

<<<Jesus’ brothers are mentioned in several Bible verses.Matthew 12:46,Luke 8:19, andMark 3:31say that Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see Him. The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). The Bible also tells us that Jesus had sisters, but they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:56). InJohn 7:1-10, His brothers go on to the festival while Jesus stays behind. InActs 1:14, His brothers and mother are described as praying with the disciples.Galatians 1:19mentions that James was Jesus’ brother. The most natural conclusion of these passages is to interpret that Jesus had actual blood half-siblings.

Some Roman Catholics claim that these “brothers” were actually Jesus’ cousins. However, in each instance, the specific Greek word for “brother” is used. While the word can refer to other relatives, its normal and literal meaning is a physical brother. There was a Greek word for “cousin,” and it was not used. Further, if they were Jesus’ cousins, why would they so often be described as being with Mary, Jesus’ mother? There is nothing in the context of His mother and brothers coming to see Him that even hints that they were anyone other than His literal, blood-related, half-brothers>>>

 

THAT describes the kind of stretching required of the effort to make  Jesus' brethren something other than his siblings, Jack. 


 

 

 

Last edited by Contendahh

You might want to think about the virgin Mary in a different direction conndi.

Mary is the spouse of the Holy Spirit -- remember that Jesus is conceived

by the power of the Holy Spirit -- and so for her to have sex with anyone else

would have been adultery or fornication.

 

Her virginity is a symbol of her purity and undefiled condition . and ties

into the dogma of the Immaculate Conception.

 

Or disregard it also........

Originally Posted by Jack Flash:

You might want to think about the virgin Mary in a different direction conndi.

Mary is the spouse of the Holy Spirit -- remember that Jesus is conceived

by the power of the Holy Spirit -- and so for her to have sex with anyone else

would have been adultery or fornication.

 

Her virginity is a symbol of her purity and undefiled condition . and ties

into the dogma of the Immaculate Conception.

 

Or disregard it also........

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If virginity is a symbol of womanly "purity and  undefiled condition," does that make every lawfully married woman who has "known" a man IMPURE and DEFILED? My Bible teaches that marriage is an honorable thing. Does yours--or your preferred cult--teach that marriage and marital sexual relations are dishonorable and that such activity defiles the participants? 

 

As to the "Immaculate Conception," Jack, that doctrine teaches that Mary was herself conceived without any stain of "original sin."

 

Well, guess what, Jack.  I, too, was so conceived, so MY conception was also IMMACULATE!

Last edited by Contendahh
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
 

If virginity is a symbol of womanly "purity and  undefiled condition," does that make every lawfully married woman who has "known" a man IMPURE and DEFILED? My Bible teaches that marriage is an honorable thing. Does yours--or your preferred cult--teach that marriage and marital sexual relations are dishonorable and that such activity defiles the participants? 

 

As to the "Immaculate Conception," Jack, that doctrine teaches that Mary was herself conceived without any stain of "original sin."

 

Well, guess what, Jack.  I, too, was so conceived, so MY conception was also IMMACULATE!

Typical pagan redneck, ignorant new age dodge. The Bible said you're

full of crap and you can't seem to spin yourself out of it. If you could, you'd

make sense instead of all the pathetic senseless waste of time you were

born for.

 

Well, guess what Odie, you'll die just like you were born, and it ain't pretty.

Originally Posted by Jack Flash:
Originally Posted by Contendahh:
 

If virginity is a symbol of womanly "purity and  undefiled condition," does that make every lawfully married woman who has "known" a man IMPURE and DEFILED? My Bible teaches that marriage is an honorable thing. Does yours--or your preferred cult--teach that marriage and marital sexual relations are dishonorable and that such activity defiles the participants? 

 

As to the "Immaculate Conception," Jack, that doctrine teaches that Mary was herself conceived without any stain of "original sin."

 

Well, guess what, Jack.  I, too, was so conceived, so MY conception was also IMMACULATE!

Typical pagan redneck, ignorant new age dodge. The Bible said you're

full of crap and you can't seem to spin yourself out of it. If you could, you'd

make sense instead of all the pathetic senseless waste of time you were

born for.

 

Well, guess what Odie, you'll die just like you were born, and it ain't pretty.

Addendum........

Originally Posted by Contendahh:

 

Jack, you say, "It isn't in the Bible for the second time, where it's found has nothing to do

with the Bible." But you do NOT tell us where it IS found. Come on, Jack, YOU are the one who alleged that the former Virgin Mary SAID THOSE WORDS.

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She said those words alright, but all you've done is use that to hide the fact

you can't actually prove Jesus had blood brothers or sisters. The Bible has

given the names of the parents of the alleged siblings.

I did give you the source for those words a few years ago, you foo fooed it

and I'm more than OK with that.

 

Children of Mary?

These "brothers" are never once called the children of Mary, although

Jesus himself is (John 2:1; Acts 1:14).

 

Other Women Named Mary

James and Joseph (also called Joses), who are called Jesus’ "brothers"

(Mark 6:3) are indeed the children of Mary—Just not Mary, the mother

of Jesus.

 

After St. Matthew’s account of the crucifixion and death of Jesus, he writes:

"There were also many women there, looking on from afar, who had

followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to him; among who were Mary

Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother

of the sons of Zebedee." (Matt. 27:56; see also Mark 15:40).

 

And again, that Jewish law that keeps getting in the way of your bogus

claims. Jesus didn't break Jewish law, and could not under Jewish law

have given John the care for his Mother. Also, Jesus gave his Mother

to the world that she help lead souls to Christ..

 

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