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This is the first change that I can agree on. You should see the bags under my eyes in the morning if I have eaten restaurant food the night before. Plus my Rings won't come off. Summertime makes it that much worse. I don't salt anything at home. I ordered fries the other day, and they were covered in salt, so I just fed them to the birds.
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Originally posted by beyonce:
This is the first change that I can agree on. You should see the bags under my eyes in the morning if I have eaten restaurant food the night before. Plus my Rings won't come off. Summertime makes it that much worse. I don't salt anything at home. I ordered fries the other day, and they were covered in salt, so I just fed them to the birds.


PETA will be calling you for giving those birds all that sodium.

I read somewhere, I think on this forum, that you can order your fries without salt. Often they are so salty I can't eat them, but it had not occurred to me that they'd fry some and get mine out before salting them. The person who posted this said that they do it so that they will always get hot fries, and then they can salt the fries to their own taste.
I think we already have tooooo much government intrusion into our private lives, but recently while having lunch in a local restaurant, I observed a man seated nearby, salting everything on his plate until I wanted to scream, "STOP"....then he turned his food over and salted the other side...!!! No wonder he looked so healthy, he was "salt cured".
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
Question: WHY do we 'need' laws to legislate what amounts to 'common sense'? The next thing you know, we'll have government-mandated/enforced doctors' visits (wellness screenings).


The short answer is people are too stupid to have common sense. The evidence is everywhere. Look around, everyone is fat.

The government already regulates our food supply in other ways. Why allow the gov't to limit pesticides on fruits and vegetables? Why don't we stop the inspections of processing plants? Salmonella's just a little stomach bug, right?

The fact is, too many people in this country refuse to choose healthy foods to eat and we all pay for their medical bills. So, please, don't pass the salt.
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
Question: WHY do we 'need' laws to legislate what amounts to 'common sense'? The next thing you know, we'll have government-mandated/enforced doctors' visits (wellness screenings).


The short answer is people are too stupid to have common sense. The evidence is everywhere. Look around, everyone is fat.

The government already regulates our food supply in other ways. Why allow the gov't to limit pesticides on fruits and vegetables? Why don't we stop the inspections of processing plants? Salmonella's just a little stomach bug, right?

The fact is, too many people in this country refuse to choose healthy foods to eat and we all pay for their medical bills. So, please, don't pass the salt.


So.....EVERY American is 'too stupid' to make their own choices? That sounds like something Pelosi would say. Wait aminute. She already DID say that! "The American people just need to sit down, shut up and let US do what is BEST for them." Overheard remark re: health care overhaul credited to Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House, December 2009.
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Originally posted by mad American:
It ain't none of the governments business. Let the companies label a product no salt or low salt if they want. But don't force that crap on me.

No kidding. I can't believe the number of people who are willing to give up freedom because they think the gov't knows better and that the American people are "too stupid" to make the right choices. Roll Eyes
This is the article:

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U.S. regulators are planning a push to gradually cut the amount of salt Americans consume, saying less sodium would reduce deaths from hypertension and heart disease, The Washington Post reported on Tuesday.

The effort would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of salt allowed in processed foods, the newspaper reported. The plan is to be launched this year but officials have not set salt limits.

The government plans to work with the food industry and health experts to reduce sodium gradually over a period of years to ratchet down sodium consumption, the newspaper said, citing U.S. Food and Drug Administration sources.

U.S. researchers said in a recent study that working with the food industry to cut salt intake by nearly 10 percent could prevent hundreds of thousands of heart attacks and strokes over several decades and save the U.S. government $32 billion in healthcare costs.

Eating too much salt is a major cause of high blood pressure, which the Institute of Medicine, one of the National Academies of Sciences, last week declared a "neglected disease" that costs the U.S. health system $73 billion a year.

The FDA, which regulates most processed foods, and the U.S. Agriculture Department, which oversees meat and poultry, will work together on the effort to reduce Americans' sodium consumption.

Manufacturers can now use as much salt as they like in products but they are required to report the amount on nutrition labels.

Many food makers have already begun to cut salt content.

In March, PepsiCo Inc, which owns the Pepsi, Frito-Lay and Quaker brands, announced that it plans a reduction of 25 percent in the average sodium per serving in major global food brands in key markets by 2015.


Unless I missed something, the article states the plan is to regulate salt in processed foods, which is frozen dinners cooked in the microwave, boxed noodle dinners, etc. Have you ever read the sodium content of this stuff? It's sometimes 50% or higher.

Wouldn't you WANT to have control of your salt intake if, say, you already have high blood pressure? I know this change would be welcomed by my aunt who really has to watch her labels for sodium content.

And it doesn't say the plan is to force salt makers to stop producing the stuff for sale. So, again unless I'm missing something, you can still add as much table salt as you'd like to any dish.

I stand by my post. If people aren't too stupid to make good choices, they're at least too stubborn or too lazy and it impacts ALL OF US.

Here's your proof (also in the article):

U.S. researchers said in a recent study that working with the food industry to cut salt intake by nearly 10 percent could prevent hundreds of thousands of heart attacks and strokes over several decades and save the U.S. government $32 billion in healthcare costs.

Eating too much salt is a major cause of high blood pressure, which the Institute of Medicine, one of the National Academies of Sciences, last week declared a "neglected disease" that costs the U.S. health system $73 billion a year.

If you're so against this particular type of government intrusion, why don't you lobby to get the FDA out of everything? I mean, they inspect processing plants and regulate pesticide content on fruits and vegetables. Salt and pesticides (in large amounts) will both kill you. One will just do it faster than the other.

The FDA also requires drug trials before putting a "safe" stamp on prescription medications. Isn't that government intrusion? Shouldn't you, the consumer, be able to decide if a particular drug that Pfizer makes is right for you without the gov't sticking their nose in it?
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The gov't needs to stay out of my dietary habits. I don't think they have a clue about what I need to stay healthy.

I'm perfectly capable of reading the lists of ingredients/contents of a processed food. If I want to eat a food that has 50% of my daily expected intake, I get to do that. I don't need a nanny gov't to tell me no.

BTW, I eat a LOT of salt and my sodium level is very, very low.
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Originally posted by big_black_cat:
The gov't needs to stay out of my dietary habits. I don't think they have a clue about what I need to stay healthy.

I'm perfectly capable of reading the lists of ingredients/contents of a processed food. If I want to eat a food that has 50% of my daily expected intake, I get to do that. I don't need a nanny gov't to tell me no.

BTW, I eat a LOT of salt and my sodium level is very, very low.


I'm glad your sodium level is low. Like I said, my aunt's isn't and this will help her and others like her who have to watch it.

You don't think our food suppliers/manufacturers should have any regulations? They should be able to use as many pesticides, additives as they want?

If we're going to take gov't out of it, let's take them all the way out. So then, what would stop manufacturers from adding whatever they want to our food - no matter how dangerous? Additionally, if they could add whatever, they sure shouldn't have to put the information on the labels, right?

I'd be willing to bet that without any regulations most businesses that produce food would do so as cheaply as possible (without regard for human life).
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Originally posted by big_black_cat:
Well, what's wrong with having the ingredients and the percentages listed and then letting people make their own decisions? What? People are too STUPID to do that?

Get the gov't out of my eating habits. Get them out of my health care. I don't NEED a nanny state. I can take care of myself.


That's the second time you didn't answer my questions. I'm just wondering where you would draw the "gov't involvement" line.

How about they stop fixing our roads and ensuring clean water? Why do we need them to give the green light on a drug before we can take it? How is it their business if a toy company wants to make toys using lead paint? Why even restrict lead in anything?
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
That's the second time you didn't answer my questions. I'm just wondering where you would draw the "gov't involvement" line.

How about they stop fixing our roads and ensuring clean water? Why do we need them to give the green light on a drug before we can take it? How is it their business if a toy company wants to make toys using lead paint? Why even restrict lead in anything?

Oh please. I thought your questions were rhetorical. Quit trying to act like I was trying to wiggle out of something. Good grief!

So, do you think your mother is too inept to read a label and decide if she should eat something? Is she too lazy or stupid? I can't believe that. So what's the problem? No impulse control?

As for your other questions, give me a break. I pay taxes on tags, gas, etc. for safe roads.

I get it. You want the gov't to take care of every part of your life. I don't. I'll take care of myself and let my tax dollars go for what they founding fathers intended them for - defense and the boarders. Too bad our current gov't doesn't care about either of those.
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Originally posted by big_black_cat:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
That's the second time you didn't answer my questions. I'm just wondering where you would draw the "gov't involvement" line.

How about they stop fixing our roads and ensuring clean water? Why do we need them to give the green light on a drug before we can take it? How is it their business if a toy company wants to make toys using lead paint? Why even restrict lead in anything?

Oh please. I thought your questions were rhetorical. Quit trying to act like I was trying to wiggle out of something. Good grief!

So, do you think your mother is too inept to read a label and decide if she should eat something? Is she too lazy or stupid? I can't believe that. So what's the problem? No impulse control?

As for your other questions, give me a break. I pay taxes on tags, gas, etc. for safe roads.

I get it. You want the gov't to take care of every part of your life. I don't. I'll take care of myself and let my tax dollars go for what they founding fathers intended them for - defense and the boarders. Too bad our current gov't doesn't care about either of those.


First, don't tell me how to act. Unless you sign my paycheck - and you don't - it's not a useful thing to do.

No, my AUNT is not inept. My point is, maybe she would be able to choose more foods to eat if the sodium content were lowered; whereas, some of us can just add table salt.

You can't take away, but you can add to in that situation.

I actually don't want people to die early or see them live a life filled with physical pain....or go broke trying to pay for medications and doctors. I care about people in general; I'm weird that way.

That doesn't mean I want the gov't to take care of me, which I never said btw. It means I'll take the help of gov't doing nothing more than requiring sodium content to be lowered in processed foods. The article states that if this happened, people would live longer.

Is this the part where I put up the roll eyes emoticon like you did in an earlier post? Nah. I think I'll stay above it.
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
No, my AUNT is not inept. My point is, maybe she would be able to choose more foods to eat if the sodium content were lowered; whereas, some of us can just add table salt.

You can't take away, but you can add to in that situation.

I actually don't want people to die early or see them live a life filled with physical pain....or go broke trying to pay for medications and doctors. I care about people in general; I'm weird that way.

That doesn't mean I want the gov't to take care of me, which I never said btw. It means I'll take the help of gov't doing nothing more than requiring sodium content to be lowered in processed foods. The article states that if this happened, people would live longer.

Is this the part where I put up the roll eyes emoticon like you did in an earlier post? Nah. I think I'll stay above it.

So you don't want me to tell you how to spend your paycheck but you are ok with telling me what to eat? Interesting. And your AUNT can't opt for less salty food. Guess that means we all have to suffer. Why can't you just teach her to read a label?
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Originally posted by big_black_cat:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
No, my AUNT is not inept. My point is, maybe she would be able to choose more foods to eat if the sodium content were lowered; whereas, some of us can just add table salt.

You can't take away, but you can add to in that situation.

I actually don't want people to die early or see them live a life filled with physical pain....or go broke trying to pay for medications and doctors. I care about people in general; I'm weird that way.

That doesn't mean I want the gov't to take care of me, which I never said btw. It means I'll take the help of gov't doing nothing more than requiring sodium content to be lowered in processed foods. The article states that if this happened, people would live longer.

Is this the part where I put up the roll eyes emoticon like you did in an earlier post? Nah. I think I'll stay above it.

So you don't want me to tell you how to spend your paycheck but you are ok with telling me what to eat? Interesting. And your AUNT can't opt for less salty food. Guess that means we all have to suffer. Why can't you just teach her to read a label?


The same reason someone doesn't teach you to leave well enough alone - especially when it concerns my 70 year old, disabled aunt. God, how insensitive!

You're now on ignore! Have fun talking to yourself. Oh look, here's Mr. roll eyes. Roll Eyes
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The same reason someone doesn't teach you to leave well enough alone - especially when it concerns my 70 year old, disabled aunt. God, how insensitive!

You're now on ignore! Have fun talking to yourself. Oh look, here's Mr. roll eyes. Roll Eyes

Oh. Guess I was supposed to read your mind and know your aunt as 70 and disabled. Wow. How insensitive of me not to read your mind. Huh. Had no idea I was supposed to know that. So who shops for her? Can they not read a label?
You really need to get over yourself. Roll Eyes
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