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The person who said no air evac after waiting must have based it on somthing an would they have said the samething if it were some one they loved or maybe they found out there was no insurance the hospital refussed my father inlaw an it killed him.he was poor an it cost him his life america love it or leave it.but do NOT run out of money.
You are so right! I see this happening all the
time. They bring them to our helipad and wait on Air Evac to get there when the pt. could be inside the hospital getting the treatment they need instead of sitting in the Ambulance waiting. And some of the time there is really
no need for the pt. to be taken to another facility, the pt could get the care they need right here in the shoals/florence area hospitals.
i think you would have to know the circumstances of the situation. the paramedic surely had the patient's care foremost in his decision. of course we all make mistakes in judgement at times. without being in their situation, i really couldn't make a judgement call against them.
i can truthfully tell you, that in 25 years of working as a paramedic, i never once knew of a circumstance where insurance or lack of, was considered in the care a patient received prior to arrival at the medical facility. most times, that info was unknown prior to paperwork being handled after the call.
also, i'm sure the paramedic was treating the patient during this time. they have the equipment, drugs, and the medical knowledge of what is best for the patient's condition. and they are in direct contact with the ER doctor, following his orders.
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Originally posted by DONNA C:
I'm not sure who made the final decision to wait until the chopper was on the scene on the ground, to decide to at that time take the patient to ECM. My worry about this is the fact that while all this was going on, the patient was not receiving the care that they needed during all this. They should not have had to wait at FFD station 5 that long before someone made up their mind. They should have been at ECM from the very first, and then if it was decided that they needed to be airlifted, then the patient could have been picked up at ECM. There was a lot of valuable time wasted that the patient may or may not have had.


In a situation like this, Who do you think should be in charge if there is a disagreement?
I have two words for the way medical emergencies are handled around here- Keystone Coplike. I had never seen anything like it until I moved here. Arguments over who gets the run, an entire staff calling off on the same night, and let's not forget the Keller crews who probably would have time for a sit down meal while they wait for the trains to pass. Lord have mercy.
All I know about things is that when you are that person on the stretcher or in pain or fear for your life it's horrible and the ONLY thing you want is the quickest relief possible. You hear that things in bigger cities are different and better but I have been in bigger cities, I AM in Atlanta right now moving back to the Shoals and I feared Medical Care in the Shoals, UNTIL I saw medical care at Henry Memorial, south of Atlanta. I have Crohn's disease and I get blockages from time to time that are EXTREMELY painful. All times I went to the Shoals Hospitals, to the ER. they were not as quick as I liked but usually got me back to a doc within thirty minutes or so. Here in Atlanta, at Henry Memorial the QUICKEST I have ever gotten back, other than when I was transported by Ambulance, was THREE HOURS. Try enduring setting in an Emergency Room for Three Hours with either a Kidney Stone or Intestinal Blockage.

I"m glad to be returning to the Shoals myself. I still wonder about the quality of the doctors at times but I can say that Medical Care in Atlanta is or seems far Worse, as a patient, than anything i have ever received at the Shoals.

As for this situation Donna mentioned I just hope the patient was found to be stabilized and out of a critical condition that required immediate attention if that decision was made for if and only if that was the case (a miraculous turnaround) could I see delaying getting them to an ER. Like you thought if it was serious enough to call for Air Evac it does make you wonder why wait why not get to ECM then let the ER Doc make the call to Evac to Huntsville from ECM if needed. Then I'm not on the scene, I don't know the situation, and I'm not the one seeing the Stats of the Patient. When you are that patient though every minute is critical. Would be interesting to know more but I doubt any of us will unless a family member chimes in and enlightens us.
Please allow me to throw my 2 cents worth into this conversation. First of all, I was not at this scene nor do I know any of the particulars of the call.
HOWEVER, I hear this all the time. We have family members that come up to us and ask why are you waiting on the helicopter when you could be taking the patient to ECM?
The answer is pretty simple.......
ECM can only handle so much trauma. They are an excellent hospital but are not as equipped as Huntsville Hospital or say Vanderbilt. It is better to wait those few minutes in order to get the person the best facility that can immediately address the patients injuries. It would be foolish to send everyone to ECM, loan them in the ER. The ECM ER Doctors do their thing only to ship the patient upstairs and wait for the chopper. This makes good sense. Sometimes the closest hospital is not the best for the patient. I have seen this many many times where the paramedics do a great job in stabilzing a patient and wiating for the helicopter.
In my 25 years as an EMT I have not scene one time where a paramedic made the wrong decision to wait for a helicopter.
First of all, if you have never worked in EMS (and it appears by the original comments starting this form, that you haven't) there is a lot of things that go into the decision of how and where a patient is trasnported to in time of injury or illness. While some patients obviously need a Level I trauma center (Huntsville, UAB, Vandy, etc.) others can go to a Level II or Level III trauma center, depending on the severity of injuries. Things such as mechanism of injury (how they were injured), age, other medical problems that the patient has that may affect the injuries they are suffering from, etc. are all things that will initially come into play along with what injuries they are actually suffering from. Then, you have the time factor and weather? Can the aircraft make it from the scene to the trauma center or will they not be able to fly due to weather? What kind of ground transport times do you have?. . . and this could go on and on. I can understand how the general public perseves this "sitting on scene" or "wasting time", but I can assure you that the time is being spent either stabilizing and preparing the patient for transport or waiting on the aircraft to arrive to transport the patient on because that is ultimately what the patient needs. Simply put, some patients just need a trauma center. There have been patients that have been flown from as close as 1 to 2 miles from ECM hospital because that is what they needed. I agree with MLentz, ECM is a very good hospital and can handle a lot of emergencies but they are not a Level I trauma center and there is a big difference.

The hosptials participating in the ATS (Alabama Trauma System) and that are working with the TCC (Trauma Communications Center) have been categorized in either Level I, II, or III and will assist the ground and air units to determine what the patient needs and the availability of these hospitals. This is all going on while patient care is taking place. A lot of people still have the idea of "just get them to a hospital" and that is not an accurate way of thinking in concordance with what many patients need. When these decisions are made on scene, they are made by making the best physical assessment and applying that to the mechanism of injury, what the patient is complaining of, and the injuries they have and those things are all put together to determine where the patient needs to go. All EMT's, Medics, and Nurses that work in prehospital medicine are trained to take these things and make the most appropriate decision possible. Do we carry X-ray machines or CT scanners on the ambulance or on the helicopters??? Of course not. We can't see exactly what is going on inside the body, we can only take the assessment items mentioned above along with their vital signs and the other signs and symptoms of injuries and make the best decision we can. I know a lot of you have never been in a situation or had a family member in one of these situations and I hope you never do. I can assure you the State of Alabama Department of Public Health hold those working in prehospital medicine to standards of being in the best position with the skills and knowledge to take care of the most ill and injuried patients to get them to the most appropriate facility.

I can understand how never working in EMS or a hospital setting can make it hard to understand why some of the things happen like they do. Just rest assured that the men and women working in this field do this job because they care and want to provide the best they can for their patients. There are a lot of factors in the thought process of this job and I havent really even gotten that far into it. This is just a general overview of typically how things work. In the emergency world, you have to adapt and overcome to the situation at hand and it may not be clear to those that arent in the decision making process at that time, but rest assured the patient's best interest is #1 priority during these times.

Also, the "Golden Hour" was mentioned and when a patient is transported to one factility and has to wait for a transport on to the most appropriate facility, this eats up their "Golden Hour" and that is why a lot of times it is best to wait on the aircraft on scene. . .to get them to the MOST APPROPRIATE FACILITY.
Welcome to the shoals... we want you to retire here but forget it if you need a level 1 trama unit like say vanderbuilt or uab(birmingham). I hope I never need any major trama team that can handle what comes in at any given time. further more I wouldn't take my dog to ECM or Keller. I say that from personel experience from both hospitals. I had my 1st stroke in 01 at the age of 35 and the second one month later.the first time I was taken to ECM the second keller and both times the number ONE PRIORITY was insurance card and co-pay. Sad Sad Sad.... I now go to Bham for medical treatment and just to see a DR.
DC, I went back and re-read your post again. . .I have no idea ANY details about this call whatsoever. I will just say that sometimes either bad weather rolls in and the aircraft cant get to Huntsville or any other Level I trauma center. There are also some other medical conditions that warrant a ground transport to the closest facility and the air medical company choose not to fly, such as cardiac or trauma arrest. These are just general thoughts about what you described, that could have been going on during this "10-15 minutes". Also, there are certain life saving procedures that can take place to stabilize the patient once the aircraft gets there. This is a situation where it is better for the patient to have these procedures done right then, prior to transport for stabiliztion purposes. These are just general thoughts in reply to your statements and I'll say again do not apply to this particular call, because in all honesty I have no idea the call you were talking about. I was no where near a radio during the time frame you mentioned nor was I on duty.

Country1234, insurance is NEVER a factor in deciding where to transport a patient to. Our job is to get them the care they need not based off of whether they can pay or not, but the ethical and moral standards of care we work off of and I can assure you, insurance is not in the thought process when we have the injured and ill lying in front of us. I am not sure about the situation you are speaking of, but I can assure you we don't ask these patients anything about insurance or payment prior to transporting them. That isn't our jobs. Our job is to get them the care they need in a timely manner.
I work in an ER, and we take care of a patient without insurance, just as well as one with insurance. do you know why? because we don't ask! its our job to take care of what needs to be done, not assess whether they will be able to pay their bill or not. if that was a criteria for emergency medicine, our population would be much lower than it is. if you come to the ER, you WILL be treated appropriately. its the same when you call 911. no one asks if you have insurance. they take care of the patient and transport to the most appropriate facility.
I'm not going to bad mouth EMTs or the AirVac team.My 3rd son would have bled to death when he flipped his car,and they,also,took very good care of my 5th son when he totaled his new motorcycle. Both times Allan Bragwell was there and Tiffany Miles is the one that called me and let me talk to my son as they were air lifting him to Huntsville.Please, remember they are only human and are under great pressure.And some lose their lives trying to help others.
Donna C, if you werent on scene and have never worked in EMS, why are you making all of the assumptions? It may not be easy for you to understand. Like I stated earlier, decisions are made and sometimes patient conditions change which in turn changes what you have to do. It doesn't have to be an automobile accident for someone to need a trauma center. Maybe if you were there or knew a little more about the situation, you would understand a little better. Until then, dont put EMS, Fire or PD under a microscope about something you aren't sure of.

As fas as "Who is in charge", decisions are mostly made by everyone involved. Usually the medic with and air crews if they are on scene. Yes, someone has primary patient care, but most of the times communication is made between everybody and a quick decision is made.

The "Golden Hour" is time from the incident to DEFINITIVE CARE. DEFINITIVE CARE = Surgery

As far as the statement of "if you are carried in via ambulance, you will be seen a lot more quickly than a walk in". . . WRONG. That is what triage is for. Not all ambulance patients go straight to a room. That is another common misperception of the general public.
Donna C. I very well agree with you. Why the delay.? I have seen in other cities where the EMS transports the person WHILE they WORK on the person even while they are NOT stable. I am not saying anything bad about our EMS or Evac...But our area needs to get its head outta someones ass.....get a trauma center and we can all live somewhat more at ease.
Well, I apologize. I didnt realize you were in EMS by some of your statements. Be careful about the statements you do make. Especially if you were on scene in some capacity. You apparently know a lot about this call.

I'm not trying to get into an argument at all. I just know its hard to know really whats going on by sitting in a parking lot or wherever you were sitting, listening to a scanner, watching all of this unfold.

Honestly, if the things you are saying are how you feel and you are in EMS, you should know that a forum like this is not where it will make a difference to air out "dirty laundry".
it would help to know the timeline of when the medic/emt first got on scene, when the patient was loaded, when air evac was launched, and when CPR was started. CPR is usually avoided in the air. its rather difficult to perform in a helicopter. if the patient was showing signs of becoming stable, I can see them waiting for air transport to a level I center. when air evac got there, the patients condition must have deteriorated, or was too unstable to be flown. at that point, ground transport was necessary.
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Originally posted by DONNA C:
Guys, I'm not putting down or saying anything bad about anybody in this particular incident. This is what happened, 1. The accident happened @7:00 last night. 2. It was not an automobile accident. 3. As soon as medical personnal arrived, Air Evac was asked for. 4. They stated that CPR was in progress. 5. Dispatch responded back that they were on the line with AirEvac. 6. They were told Air Evac had at least a 10 minute ETA. 7. They then began to start talking back and forth as to where they should get the chopper to land etc8. It was decided to have them land at Station 5,next door to Station 5. 8. At that point, the patient was taken by EMS by a police escort to Station 5, 9. After arriving at Station 5, they then sat and waited for Air Evac. I'm sure they were being given good medical attention whle in the ambulance. 10. Then Air Evac switched over to the FFD frequency, in which the FFD told Air Evac were to land, and what power lines and treelines to watch out for.11. After the Air Evac chopper landed, a call came back into dispatch which said that the patient was then gonna be transported to ECM. The whole thing that has me upset about this deal, was the fact that while all the transporting to the Station 5 location, and then after waiting at Station 5 for Air Evac, the patient should have been transported to ECM to get the best medical treatment during their "golden" hour. This should and could have been done, in order to give the patient the best possible outcome. That's what I'm upset about. Not anything to do with FPD,EMS, FFD, AirEvac. They all did their job, but can't U see where I'm coming from? AirEvac was called immediately on arrival at the scene, patient then transported to Station 5, waited for AE,then the decision was made to not use AE,but to then transport patient to ECM. The long wait that never should have happened is what really bothers me. I am not saying anything about the accident, nor the circumstances concerning it, because the family of this person may read this and I do not want to have this horrible situation batted about. If U want to know more, please just PM me guys, ok? Hope U understand both my concern,being upset, and my not going into more detail, thanks.


I also wonder why they didn't take him to ECM. That is why they have the helicopter landing pad on top of the roof.
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Originally posted by DONNA C:
........The amount of precious time that this person had in their "golden" hour was spent on the ground, on Cox Creek Parkway,waiting for the AirEvac.......



Donna C,

Depending on the exact nature of the injury/illness of this person, ECM might not have been the best hospital for them, therefore taking them there would not stop the "Golden Hour" from continuing to count down.


As stated earlier, the Golden Hour only stops ticking when the patient is in definitive care, which means they must be at the facility BEST SUITED for their injury/illness.

Obviously the medics thought that ECM was NOT the best place for the patient at the time of arrival at the scene or they would have taken them there immediately. Ive been "ridin' ambulances" since 96' and have saw a few things in my time. As far as the patient not going with the helicopter once they were on scene, there is NO WAY anyone knows for sure why unless you were there, but I can say that I have been in the same position and once the chopper arrives they determine that it would be better to take the patient to the closest hospital versus the best equipped hospital simply because CPR would be too complicated to perform correctly while in the air. Don't get me wrong, I've also had the chopper take patients while performing CPR.
-----HERES THE KICKER---- It all depends on the TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, which are never the same from day to day, minute to minute, or patient to patient.

Something else the public doesn't generally understand is that in the case of a heart attack, not caused by trauma, the medic can administer the same drugs that will be administered in the ER upon arrival. The reason the chopper is sometimes called to the scene versus the Hospital is because in real life youve got to take into consideration the time spent unloading the patient from the ambulance (While Performing CPR), taking them into the ER (While Performing CPR), unloading them from your stretcher to the ER bed (While Performing CPR), transferring CPR to the ER staff while giving the patient report, transferring your IV fluids and any other items attached to the patient to ER staff. Well, once youve gotten all of this finally finished the chopper usually is arriving and it's time to do it all once again except this time transferring all the equipment to the Chopper crew.

IN MY OPINION, many times it is better for the overall well-being of the patient to keep them in the ambulance instead of transporting them to the ER if the Chopper is going to arrive in a reasonable amount of time for the particular circumstances.

ONE MORE QUESTION DONNA C.,
The only reason you started this topic is because you think the patient should have been transported to the ER instead of waiting on the chopper. You seem very upset and worried that the patient's overall outcome will be much worse because of this decision.

Here are a couple of excerpts from your initial posts:

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Originally posted by DONNA C:

.......There was at least 10-15 minutes,possibly more wasted. Just waiting to see what decision that was to be made. The amount of precious time that this person had in their "golden" hour was spent on the ground, on Cox Creek Parkway,waiting for the AirEvac. That time could have been well spent racing to the hospital, not sitting and wasting precious time. This just was very unnecessary and could have been very bad for the injured person. FPD even gave the EMS unit an escort from the place of the accident to Station 5. Do U feel the same way that I do, that a lot of this person's valuable time was lost while somebody was trying to decide on what to do. While deciding that, he/she could have been at ECM getting his very important treatment. Then, if they felt it was necessary to fly him/her out,then call the copter to ECM. How do U feel about this? I'm very upset,and don't even ask me how I would have felt if it had been one of my family members, loved ones, or friends,or heck, just anyone I knew.........

.......... My worry about this is the fact that while all this was going on, the patient was not receiving the care that they needed during all this. They should not have had to wait at FFD station 5 that long before someone made up their mind. They should have been at ECM from the very first, and then if it was decided that they needed to be airlifted, then the patient could have been picked up at ECM. There was a lot of valuable time wasted that the patient may or may not have had............


It's VERY VERY obvious that you believe someone screwed up and made a big mistake. But in your later posts you had this to say:


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Originally posted by DONNA C:

.......Guys, I'm not putting down or saying anything bad about anybody in this particular incident.......

.........I did not make any assumptions about anything.I praised all the work done by the EMS. I was praising EMS, Fire and Pd,and never for one second put them under a microscope. U must be reading between the lines of my post,my EMS broher or sister. Also, as being in EMS,I do indeed know what the golden hour is.........


So my question to you is.......
If you are so upset about this incident yet you praised EMS, Fire & PD, and would never put them under a microscope, WHO DO YOU BLAME FOR THE PATIENT NOT BEING TAKEN TO ECM ER?

Not trying to start a fight, just putting my 2 cents in and asking a few questions.

Have a Great Day Everyone!

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
Just to throw my humble opinion in, I think EMT pay is ridiculously low.

I have a very good friend who is an EXCELLENT EMT in the Shoals area. I always hoped if I did have a wreck, that he would be the one to show up.

Some make as low as $7.00, depending on the area, etc.

I'm not saying that more money would equal better treatment, as they all take their jobs seriously I'm sure.

I just think it's a disgrace. They are scraping people up and seeing things and doing things none of us would ever dream about. All for fast food industry pay....

I'm sure they do everything within their power and judgement. Errors and tragedies are almost bound to happen though. Or else we would live in Utopia.
zippy,
There are many definitions of a trauma center. You said you want to know why there is no level I center in the Shaols. Simply put, it is not possible to do so with the current resources. There has to be many things in place to do this, including 24 hour surgeons in the ER at all times, and they must be specially trained in trauma care. Those people are few and far between. There are only four general surgeons in Lauderdale county, and I think six in Colbert. There is no way these individuals could cover that type of situation. On top of this you need 24 hour, 365 days a year neurosurgical coverage, again something we cannot provide with only two neurosurgeons in nw Alabama. ECM participates in the trauma system in Alabama, as a level III, no other hospitals in NW Alabama even participate as I understand it. When services that the patient needs are not available currently at ECM, the patient must go to the next closet facility, usually Huntsville. Huntsville is a level I, I believe, and there is a level I in Tupelo and Birmingham.
I have had children treated at ECM, and I think that maybe your assesment of their ER is not the same as mine. My son was treated efficiently and professionally, and I have been told of similar episodes at Keller. We are lucky to have two good facilites in our corner of the state, perhaps focusing more on the good points and advantages of their existence here would serve the whole community.
As far as the statement of "if you are carried in via ambulance, you will be seen a lot more quickly than a walk in". . . WRONG. That is what triage is for. Not all ambulance patients go straight to a room. That is another common misperception of the general public. [quote]

right. i spent my last 15 years working in an ER, many of those at Triage. due to the misconception of ambulance patients being seen immediately, we often had patients who came by ambulance for that reason. regularly, they were removed from the stretcher, and waited in the lobby like everyone else with minor problems.

also, thank you Morris, ditchdoc, and monster, for easily understood explanations for those who don't understand the EMS system. well-said! Cool
I think when you combine everything together most all public servants are grossly underpaid for the responsibility that they take on and for what they have to do. Just from people that have posted under this thread we see a lot of passion and sincere feelings about this event even though most if not all of us know really what went on in this specific case either before, during or after the event. I still say, after being in the Big City environment and Hospitals, I have a renewed appreciation for the small town hospital and folks for even with everything that is wrong about our current medical care here in the Shoals we still outshine anything I've seen here and getting seen in the ER is hours faster in the Shoals. I don't know though what shutting down Muscle Shoals Hospital will do to that though, if indeed they are shutting it down.

I think many that voiced concern about what exactly happened with this particular call did so putting themselves in the place of the person that was at risk or a close family member and asking what if it were me or a member of my family, next time.

The only sure thing is we aren't going to answer the questions that need answering and we most likely never will know the information we would need to have in order to make the best decisions so we hope those that were in the place to do so and make those decisions made the right ones. The only thought I had when reading about waiting for the Air Evac and then deciding to transport to ECM was that the criticals and situation changed while they were waiting on the chopper. If they did change and the patient did stabilize then given the limited resources our area has and only one chopper it possibly was decided that it would be best to transport the "much improved" patient (I'm guessing here now) and reserve the chopper in case some other critical event occurred otherwise the chopper would have been a long way away and unavailable.

It does look bad but without full disclosure of information and knowledge none of us could adequately make a call and even if we all knew the full information chances are that still one, two or three of us would disagree about the correct course of action, that's just a fallacy of being human I suppose.
I don't know where you got your information but it's wrong. Unless you where on this call,"which you wasn't" then you have NO right commenting on something you know NOTHING about. I was on this call, so I do know what happened, and it was nothing like you described. Since your in the EMS profession then you should know that there are certain situations that meet the criteria for an automatic launch, and situations that you have to request a launch. TO, you should also know that it is better to launch Air E-VAC and not need them than to need them and not have them. As far as your comments about the time frame EMS waited for the flight crew, the decision to transport to ECM, how EMS waisted valuable time, and about the golden hour is all WRONG and just goes to show that you wasn't there to know why those decisions were made. Tell me this, since you seem to know everything, how much more can the er do than the flight crew? Can the er transport and provide patient care at the same time? All the er is going to do is stablize the patient as much as possible and then call for either a ground crew or air crew to transport to another facility for a up grade in care. If EMS can stablize the patient as much as possible while the air crew is enroute, then the air crew continue patient care enroute to a facility that is more capable of handling the situation, then why would you transport to the er. Everything that was done that day was done for a good reason, situations can and do go bad to the point where you have to re-evaluate and do what's best for the patient at that present time, no matter what the initial plan was and that is what was done..... Thank You so very much... and the next time you decide to comment about something you need to make sure you have all your facts straight.
I Chose to delete this original topic and all the further statements that I made afterward. There are just too many people who seem very content to read between the lines,or perhaps just read a word or two and then go full force on an attack on the original poster. I have tried many times but on this forum and in many PM s to state my true intention and to try to get them to see that I did not mean what they thought they were reading. I also told them that I was through wih the argueing and name calling and backstabbing,and other things that were going on. Not only did it not stop, some of them put their "fiends, acquaintances, co workers to also join for the very first time to get on and tear apart everything I said and again totally chose to ignore my reasonings for doing so. So, this is why I chose to delete all my posts. I wanted to let U know before all the crap starts about why I did it, I am sick and tired of trying to defend myself over something that was taken the WRONG WAY, and then they ran with it. They must not have a life and had to have something to do.

I am now going to ask the Times Daily to do something about this post.

Thanks
Thanks Donna for letting us know why you deleted it ,I was going to pm you and ask what happen ,,but I see .
You know some on here will never change right ? Why just yesterday a poster ( Hall of Famer ) threatened to find me and beat me to death and wanted the "gang " to join him , all because I posted a funny pic about obama Dong Dong . Wink The thread was deleted .
Now I guess I'll have to read between the lines with this poster . Eeker
Thanks t, Yes, it's still going on, but this particular person was a newbie, another newbie got them to come on and jump me also. I've got one foot out the door after all this. Only this time It will be permanent. Too much, wayyy to much bull crap going on to be fun or interesting anymore. It has been reported to the TD, and several people have also been reported. So far, all my reporting on different topics has resulted in those persons being banned from coming on here. But we all know that they come back as a newbie,and start the stuff all over again. So, it's never gonna change. Obviously people have no life. I'm done fussing with them. I'll probably be going in a very short time, and unlike most of these people, I WILL NOT be returning under another name. When I am though with something, I am THROUGH!!!!
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Originally posted by tnt5862:
Thanks Donna for letting us know why you deleted it ,I was going to pm you and ask what happen ,,but I see .
You know some on here will never change right ? Why just yesterday a poster ( Hall of Famer ) threatened to find me and beat me to death and wanted the "gang " to join him , all because I posted a funny pic about obama Dong Dong . Wink The thread was deleted .
Now I guess I'll have to read between the lines with this poster . Eeker



I sure hope that U reported that poster for threathening U. That is sooo against the rules of the forum. Report their behind. Threats can get people in a lot of trouble. REPORT REPORT REPORT
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Originally posted by DONNA C:
I Chose to delete this original topic and all the further statements that I made afterward. There are just too many people who seem very content to read between the lines,or perhaps just read a word or two and then go full force on an attack on the original poster. I have tried many times but on this forum and in many PM s to state my true intention and to try to get them to see that I did not mean what they thought they were reading. I also told them that I was through wih the argueing and name calling and backstabbing,and other things that were going on. Not only did it not stop, some of them put their "fiends, acquaintances, co workers to also join for the very first time to get on and tear apart everything I said and again totally chose to ignore my reasonings for doing so. So, this is why I chose to delete all my posts. I wanted to let U know before all the crap starts about why I did it, I am sick and tired of trying to defend myself over something that was taken the WRONG WAY, and then they ran with it. They must not have a life and had to have something to do.

I am now going to ask the Times Daily to do something about this post.

Thanks

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Donna,
Just a tip from a forum reader, and post very little. I have learned that if you ignore their posts, or laugh and kill them with kindness, and they think they aren't 'getting-to-you', they will leave you alone. I also learned this in college, early childhood education courses and required child psych.
I admit I don't always use my own tips or advice because some people just get on ya last nerve!LOL Big Grin If they do 'get-to-ya', act as if they don't and watch and see what happens.
Hope this helps anyone reading the boards.
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Originally posted by DONNA C:
Thanks t, Yes, it's still going on, but this particular person was a newbie, another newbie got them to come on and jump me also. I've got one foot out the door after all this. Only this time It will be permanent. Too much, wayyy to much bull crap going on to be fun or interesting anymore. It has been reported to the TD, and several people have also been reported. So far, all my reporting on different topics has resulted in those persons being banned from coming on here. But we all know that they come back as a newbie,and start the stuff all over again. So, it's never gonna change. Obviously people have no life. I'm done fussing with them. I'll probably be going in a very short time, and unlike most of these people, I WILL NOT be returning under another name. When I am though with something, I am THROUGH!!!!

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Please don't leave the boards, due to the ignorance of a few. I enjoyed your post in this thread, about the patient story (that I have not read (no link in this thread), due to the fact that you were there! Had the facts! & you are an EMT, and you can bring a lot of knowledge to these forums. If you leave, they WIN! Hope you read my first reply to your post and take my tip/advice. It works! Hang in there! Wink Smiler
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