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I hold (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a new view of the Universe, in its parts general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and indefinite power in every atom of its composition. The movements of the heavenly bodies, so exactly held in their course by the balance of centrifugal and centripetal forces, the structure of our earth itself, with it’s distribution of lands, waters and atmosphere, animal and vegetable bodies, examined in all their minutest particles ... it is impossible, I say, for the human mind not to believe that there is, in all this, design, cause and effect, up to an ultimate cause, a fabricator of all things from matter and motion ... We see, too, evident proofs of the necessity of a superintending power to maintain the Universe in it’s course and order.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, quoted in Lester Cappon, ed. The Adams-Jefferson Letters, (1959) p. 592, describing an almost universal reason for believing that a Creator exists --almost universal, that is, until Charles Darwin published Origin of Species, thereby providing an explanation for apparent design.

I yam what I yam and that's all I yam--but it is enough!

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Originally Posted by Contendah:

I hold (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a new view of the Universe, in its parts general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and indefinite power in every atom of its composition. The movements of the heavenly bodies, so exactly held in their course by the balance of centrifugal and centripetal forces, the structure of our earth itself, with it’s distribution of lands, waters and atmosphere, animal and vegetable bodies, examined in all their minutest particles ... it is impossible, I say, for the human mind not to believe that there is, in all this, design, cause and effect, up to an ultimate cause, a fabricator of all things from matter and motion ... We see, too, evident proofs of the necessity of a superintending power to maintain the Universe in it’s course and order.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, quoted in Lester Cappon, ed. The Adams-Jefferson Letters, (1959) p. 592, describing an almost universal reason for believing that a Creator exists --almost universal, that is, until Charles Darwin published Origin of Species, thereby providing an explanation for apparent design.

Yes, and slavery was another thing that he was wrong about.

Despite Jimi's ignorance, Jefferson was not an advocate for slavery.  His original draft of the Declaration of Independence advocated ending the practice.

 

From 1774,  "The abolition of domestic slavery is the great object of desire in those colonies where it was unhappily introduced in their infant state. But previous to the infranchisement of the slaves we have, it is necessary to exclude all further importations from Africa. Yet our repeated attempts to effect this by prohibitions, and by imposing duties which might amount to a prohibition, have been hitherto defeated by his majesty negative: thus preferring the immediate advantages of a few British corsairs to the lasting interests of the American states, and to the rights of human nature deeply wounded by this infamous practice. Nay the single interposition of an interested individual against a law was scarcely ever known to fail of success, tho' in the opposite scale were placed the interests of a whole country. That this is so shameful an abuse of a power trusted with his majesty for other purposes, as if not reformed would call for some legal restrictions."

 

Do not judge a man of another time solely by the mores of today. 

Originally Posted by interventor1212:

Despite Jimi's ignorance, Jefferson was not an advocate for slavery.  His original draft of the Declaration of Independence advocated ending the practice.

 

From 1774,  "The abolition of domestic slavery is the great object of desire in those colonies where it was unhappily introduced in their infant state. But previous to the infranchisement of the slaves we have, it is necessary to exclude all further importations from Africa. Yet our repeated attempts to effect this by prohibitions, and by imposing duties which might amount to a prohibition, have been hitherto defeated by his majesty negative: thus preferring the immediate advantages of a few British corsairs to the lasting interests of the American states, and to the rights of human nature deeply wounded by this infamous practice. Nay the single interposition of an interested individual against a law was scarcely ever known to fail of success, tho' in the opposite scale were placed the interests of a whole country. That this is so shameful an abuse of a power trusted with his majesty for other purposes, as if not reformed would call for some legal restrictions."

 

Do not judge a man of another time solely by the mores of today. 

I did not say that he advocated slavery, you brainless twit. He was wrong, however, when he owned them. You cannot judge Jefferson today, however, by his owning of slaves or his ignorance of science. He was probably the smartest man alive during his life. He wasn't right about everything.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by interventor1212:

Despite Jimi's ignorance, Jefferson was not an advocate for slavery.  His original draft of the Declaration of Independence advocated ending the practice.

 

From 1774,  "The abolition of domestic slavery is the great object of desire in those colonies where it was unhappily introduced in their infant state. But previous to the infranchisement of the slaves we have, it is necessary to exclude all further importations from Africa. Yet our repeated attempts to effect this by prohibitions, and by imposing duties which might amount to a prohibition, have been hitherto defeated by his majesty negative: thus preferring the immediate advantages of a few British corsairs to the lasting interests of the American states, and to the rights of human nature deeply wounded by this infamous practice. Nay the single interposition of an interested individual against a law was scarcely ever known to fail of success, tho' in the opposite scale were placed the interests of a whole country. That this is so shameful an abuse of a power trusted with his majesty for other purposes, as if not reformed would call for some legal restrictions."

 

Do not judge a man of another time solely by the mores of today. 

I did not say that he advocated slavery, you brainless twit. He was wrong, however, when he owned them. You cannot judge Jefferson today, however, by his owning of slaves or his ignorance of science. He was probably the smartest man alive during his life. He wasn't right about everything.

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You, however, are wrong about everything I've seen you post about.

 

And about slavery. If you are a democrat, you are a either a slave owner, or a slave. The democrats have built huge plantations for their slaves all over the country. The only work these slaves have to do, to live on these plantations, is vote democrat.

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Uncle Sam’s Plantation by Star Parker

In Star Parker’s book, Uncle Sam’s Plantation, the subtitle says it all: How Big Government Enslaves America’s Poor and What We Can Do About It. Parker outlines the major issues and resulting legislation that has come about over the last 150 years that has, in its own way, imprisoned the poor in our country. Whether the issue be welfare, abortion, education, or taxes, Parker argues that the so-called compassionate actions put forth by liberal government leaders has actually done nothing more than kept the poor living in poverty.  More than just a rant about liberals and big government, Parker takes the time to analyze each issue from it’s beginning to the current state of affairs in our nation, points out where things went wrong, and gives her opinion on what can be done to reverse these problems and get our nation back on the right track.

As a whole, I thought the book was great – eye-opening on the one hand, and quite startling on the other.  Admittedly, it did not hold my interest very well at first, but I can say that the cause of that was just as much my own lack of political understanding as it was the content of the book. I put the book down after the first 2 chapters, and a month later I picked it up again and started from scratch.  The second time I was able to keep reading, and after finishing, I can say that I enjoyed it, overall, and felt much better informed and better off for having read it.

Parker is the perfect person to write this book.  Coming from a previous life of carelessness, sexual promiscuity, multiple abortions, and living on welfare, she understands the mindset of the average person living in poverty, and how they become enslaved to the government through dependence on welfare and other government aid. And by struggling through the process of getting off of welfare and standing on her own two feet, she is in a unique position to help others to the same.

In today’s political marketplace, it can be difficult to discern what is truth and what is not.  I recommend Uncle Sam’s Plantation to anyone who, like me, doesn’t feel particularly well-informed about liberal versus conservative politics, or to anyone who would like an eye-opening explanation to many of the problems our nation is facing.  This book will help both kinds of readers, and the unique position Star Parker has as a welfare recover-er validates its message.  When you finish it, you’ll have a good idea of what is really happening in our nation, and can weed through a lot of the misinformation that many politicians throw at us.

 

 

 Star Parker

best dear, just join a union. FCOL . It's Americas only hope. people are going to constaltly wax poetic as this woman, fuss, fight and cuss and doesn't do a bit of good for joe and jane. give people a peice of the pie that only the union can provide, charge the wealthy for your expertise until they puke then charge them for puking. the money is there. they just steal it and laff at yo silly *** while you work yo buns off for nothing and feel guilty about that.

Originally Posted by Winston Niles Rumfoord:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by interventor1212:

Despite Jimi's ignorance, Jefferson was not an advocate for slavery.  His original draft of the Declaration of Independence advocated ending the practice.

 

From 1774,  "The abolition of domestic slavery is the great object of desire in those colonies where it was unhappily introduced in their infant state. But previous to the infranchisement of the slaves we have, it is necessary to exclude all further importations from Africa. Yet our repeated attempts to effect this by prohibitions, and by imposing duties which might amount to a prohibition, have been hitherto defeated by his majesty negative: thus preferring the immediate advantages of a few British corsairs to the lasting interests of the American states, and to the rights of human nature deeply wounded by this infamous practice. Nay the single interposition of an interested individual against a law was scarcely ever known to fail of success, tho' in the opposite scale were placed the interests of a whole country. That this is so shameful an abuse of a power trusted with his majesty for other purposes, as if not reformed would call for some legal restrictions."

 

Do not judge a man of another time solely by the mores of today. 

I did not say that he advocated slavery, you brainless twit. He was wrong, however, when he owned them. You cannot judge Jefferson today, however, by his owning of slaves or his ignorance of science. He was probably the smartest man alive during his life. He wasn't right about everything.

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You, however, are wrong about everything I've seen you post about.

 

And about slavery. If you are a democrat, you are a either a slave owner, or a slave. The democrats have built huge plantations for their slaves all over the country. The only work these slaves have to do, to live on these plantations, is vote democrat.

WNR - once a racist, always a racist, and a moron, as well.

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

The problem with such claims as that Jefferson was a Creationist, is that he, like Newton and Copernicus, were pre-Darwin.  They had no perspective on alternatives to a universal intelligence.

 

We have no excuse, now.

 

DF

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DF you are correct, “there is no excuse”  a wild story made up on a boat ride did draw much attention back then when science was sp****. I’m sure the thinking was then , we are going to un-earth our ancestors and there will be a crock-0-duck on every mantle above the fire-place.

       Well, friend here it is over a hundred years later and not the first human leg with feathers has been found. Actually you look pretty silly.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Jesus Loves Me

Jesus loves me - this I know,
For the Bible tells me so,
Little ones to Him belong,
They are weak but He is strong.

Yes, Jesus loves me.
Yes, Jesus loves me.
Yes, Jesus loves me.
The Bible tells me so.

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mean ole evolution. how could it be so cruel?

 

i hope soon science will be able to repair this deterministic manifestation.

best working, since you don’t believe Jesus was responsible for the deformity of this child, as a humanist do you accept any responsibility for this?

    Is there something you as a member of the human race has done or failed to do that scars this child?

This is horrible and I cannot believe you could sit by and allow these children to be deformed.

Virginia Parents Accused of Murder, Keeping Starving Child in Cage

 

Two Virginia parents are being held today without bail in Gloucester County jail cells, still larger than the tiny cage police say they used to imprison their young daughter, feeding her so little she was forced to eat her own skin.

Brian and Shannon Gore are awaiting trial for the attempted murder of the 5- or 6-year-old girl as well as murder, after police found the body of another child buried on their property a day after discovering the severely malnourished girl.

 

 

Cops returned Friday and after searching a shack near the couple's trailer home, unearthed the remains of a small child. Police have yet to confirm that child's age, sex or cause of death.

 http://abcnews.go.com/US/virgi...ge/story?id=13528448

 

"All you who fear the Lord, trust the Lord! He is your helper and your shield." Psalm 115:11 NLT
Explain to the kids that God watches over His children and protects them. God never sleeps nor slumbers so He can protect us when we sleep and when we are awake.
BIBLE STORY (15 minutes) Today we will learn that God protects those who love Him. He covers them with a blanket of protection and His favor is like a mighty shield that surrounds His children. 

 

http://www.kidssundayschool.co...sons/1godcares01.php

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