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Originally posted by seeweed:
They also made every effort to eliminate church from the government. If you really want to know what philosophy the founders used in forming our country, it was NOT some religious philosophy , it was the principals of the Freemasons.
I have not disputed the separation of "church and state" "STATE" meaning in this context as central authority, not individual states...And I never said the forming of the country was based soley on a religious philosophy...those are your words.
Much like lumping "all founders were racists", I wouldn't lump them all as "freemasons". The leading Founders were a diverse group with Jefferson and Hamilton representing almost polar opposites.
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Originally posted by seeweed:
A sovereign nation made up of sovereign states. You need to think that one through a little bit. That was tried in the mid 1800 by the Confederacy and it caused them some problems . Not a good thing, only one can be sovereign and it should be the federal gvmt.
You have many problems and misunderstandings in that short little passage...and it's a shame.
Holy crap!
"only one can be sovereign and it should be the federal gvmt."...Fascist much?
So I guess you side with the British during the Revolutionary period?
You've managed to sum up maybe the most Anti-American Revolutionary principle in just a few short words...congrats.
..."governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."..."That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government..."Any of this ring a bell?
Because
"A sovereign nation made up of sovereign states." is EXACTLY the nature of the union the founding generation established.
The "problem" came some 75 years later when the central government decided it was worth killing 350,000...standardized for today's population 3.5 million...fellow citizens that did not agree with them.
Yes, no doubt we should bow down to everything and anything the central authority wants to do...
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Originally posted by seeweed:
You have obviously never taken the walking tour of Boston. One of the very first masonary buildings there is a school. The founders saw the advantage to an educated citizenery even back before there was a United States
Your very post makes my argument...I did not say the founding generation had no interest in the value of an education, I said it was not under the purview of the central government...and they made it that way on purpose.
Yes many schools, and many were educated...as YOU say before there was even a United States...imagine that...
Once again, Madison wrote:
“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”