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Tebow will appear with his mother, Pam, on TV in an ad for the pro-life Christian group Focus on the Family that will air during the game.

During one of the mission trips, Mrs. Tebow came down with amoebic dysentery and slipped into a coma, requiring a treatment regimen that included strong antibiotics that can damage or kill an unborn child. When Mrs. Tebow learned she was pregnant, doctors advised her to abort the baby, whom she and her husband had prayed for and already named Timothy.

I can just see some of those old slimy pro-abortion hags hobbling all over themselves in anger that a woman had a chance to kill her baby and didn't.
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Here are some of the comments coming in from good communist/libs:

LeftyMom:Florida doesn’t need another right wing nutsack who can’t ******* shut up about Jebus.

fl_dem: IMO, the Super bowl is NOT the place for an anti-choice ad. No captive audience should be hijakced and exposed to a religous and or moral rant. I would rather some actor try to sell me crap flavored kool-aid then sit and listen to 30 seconds of Tebows mom go on about HER Choice while the corporation paying millions for the ad is trying to take my choice away.

theHandpuppet: Would you be so cavalier if the KKK broadcast a commercial? “Focus on the Family” is a misogynist, homophobic hate group that poured over a half million dollars into overturning gay marriage in California and more recently, some 100,000 dollars to defeat gay marriage in Maine. The fact that Tebow and Focus on the Family will now spend millions to campaign against the reproductive rights of women SHOULD piss people off. I’m sick and tired of the Tim Tebows and Tony Dungys of the world constantly being referred to as “good Christians” when what they really are is BIGOTS who use their position as sports celebrities to push the hate-filled agendas of their brand of “Christianity”.

tularetom: This douchebag is gonna be a million times worse than Kurt Warner. Another *sshole wearing his religion on his sleeve – and on his shirt, pants, shoes and hat as well. We’re all going to get really sick of listening to the jeebus ******** from this f***wad before he even takes a snap in the NFL. Warner and his dimbulb wife were bad enough, but I sort of got the impression that there was a bit of cynical manipulation behind their jeebus spiels. But this Tebow ***hat – I think he really believes all that crap. The injection of religion into sports – bad f***in idea.

Ah those good people on the left. They should have plenty of ice water on hand. Cool
If the message is just encouraging women to choose life, then there shouldn't be an issue for the pro-choice side. You really would have to be pro-abortion to oppose it. Or they just reflexively oppose anything Focus on the Family does, which also seems likely.

I highly doubt that the ad will argue for abortion legislation, both because CBS apparently has rules about that kind of thing for Super Bowl ads, and because Mrs. Tebow would be kind of a strange candidate to make that argument. After all, she chose to risk her life by ignoring her doctor's advice in carrying her pregnancy to term. It's great that everything worked out for her, but I don't know many people who think there should should be a law forcing every woman in her situation to do the same thing.
I'd reply to change minds and hearts, but I doubt it'd do any good.
I would, however like to remind you of a couple of things. Planned Parenthood was started by Margaret Sanger who denounced blacks, immigrants, illiterates, paupers, unemployables, criminals, prostitutes, dope fiends. She admired Hitlers eugenics. also called blacks "human weeds".
Another thing. according to consumer's reports the highest incident of failure (77%) were the condoms freely given out by ....who....planned parenthood.
AS Reagan said "those for abortion never asked the baby".
It's a tough choice, but having your life saved, would empassion you too.
as a fetus that survived, I admire him
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Originally posted by interventor12:
Pro-abortion forces are divided into two groups -- upper class elitist feminists and Family Planning. For the feminists, its ideology. For Family Planning, its the money.

As I've stated before, I'm mainly anti-abortion for the last two months, or so.
So true.

The pro-baby-killers are showing just how dirty and lost they are by opposing this commercial.
I have not seen the ad, but don't see anything wrong with it as it has been presented in the media.

I do question its effectiveness. Tebow's parents were a stable married couple who wanted another child. The married women I know who have been advised to get an abortion for medical reasons (probably around five over the years) universally chose to have the child--all of them born healthy. Of course, those who chose to have an abortion might not have told their friends of their choice, so this is a totally unscientific conclusion.

My question: Do we need more ads concerning condoms and other modes of birth control? Apparently these wonderful scientific discoveries are totally unknown to many high school and college students. I cite the town of Killen as an example.
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Originally posted by Deeka:
If there were a Christ who was the person described in the so-called "Christian" Bible, the last group you would EVER find him wanting to have his name associated with would be Focus on the Family.


I don't know all the agendas of this group. For many years I was a fan of James Dobson. His recent attacks on supposed homosexuality in cartoons (Sponge Bob and Teletubbies) have certainly turned me off.
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
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Originally posted by Deeka:
If there were a Christ who was the person described in the so-called "Christian" Bible, the last group you would EVER find him wanting to have his name associated with would be Focus on the Family.


I don't know all the agendas of this group. For many years I was a fan of James Dobson. His recent attacks on supposed homosexuality in cartoons (Sponge Bob and Teletubbies) have certainly turned me off.


James Dobson is not what he portrays himself to be. If you doubt that, then get yourself a copy of the definitive book on that subject, "James Dobson's War on Amerioca," by Dobson's former right-han man and one of the founders of Focus on the Family, Gil Alexander-Moegerle. Consider these review comments:

"For the first time in Dobson's 20-year Nazarene reign, the curtain of sanctimonious morality is lifted so devoted followers and an anxious America can see the naked reality of this right-wing icon. Former Dobson aide and Focus on the Family co-founder, Gil Alexander-Moegerle's exclusive work, James Dobson's War on America, offers an insightful and detailed expose of this religious power-broker and his strong-arm corporation. The author's telling, behind-the-scenes look at the very private world of James Dobson traces his background, his deepest inner feelings, his communications and marketing formula that helped him amass a fortune, his private rage, his ongoing problems with the media, internal difficulties that led to boardroom allegations of mismanaging donor funds, his budding "civil war of values," as well as his political plan for America. Alexander-Moegerle fearlessly offers the view of a top-level insider while presenting Dobson as the charismatic pseudoevangelist would never honestly present himself."
LINK:

http://www.hutch.demon.co.uk/prom/dobson.htm

From a review on Amazon.com:

"Gil Alexander Moegerle's critical treatise on the personality, work, and ethics of Christian Right pop psychologist James Dobson reveals aspects of this popular evangelical leader that should long ago have been exposed to public scrutiny. Perhaps the most telling revelation of all is Moegerle's disclosure that Dobson subscribes to a doctrine--still popular in some evangelical circles--known as "entire sanctification" or the "second work of grace." This concept holds that a person saved by grace can mature to the point where he/she loses all will to sin, and thus can not fall prey to the temptations that less sanctified believers struggle with. If Moegerle's report is correct, then it is understandable how Dobson can be described as Moegerle describes him--an arrogant know-it-all who demands absolute loyalty and agreement by subordinates and attacks dissenters viciously. After reading Moegerle's book, I wrote to Dobson, asking if it was true that he held to the "entire sanctification" doctrine. I closed my letter by stating that if he sent no reply, I would assume that he did indeed embrace this concept of personal perfection. It has been two years and I have received no response."

LINK:

http://www.amazon.com/James-Do...t-reviews/157392122X

NOW--all that having been said, I nevertheless maintain that in this free land, Dobson has every right to collect mass quantities of money from his admiring, though underinformed, public and buy and pay for advertising in the public media. That certainly would include Super Bowl messages advancing the views of Dobson and his organization on abortion, which, to their credit, are about the same as my views on that topic.

The grumpy women's organizations that oppose these Super Bowl ads are probably jealous of Dobson's ability to get up the scratch to pay the big bucks charged by CBA.

But, hey, this is an era where money talks big. Thanks to the Supreme Court, corporations are now regarded as "persons" and can now shell out unlimited funds to buy election results. So a corporsation--even a foreign corporation-- is now a "person," but a fetus is not? Go figure.
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Originally posted by TheMeInTeam:
If the message is just encouraging women to choose life, then there shouldn't be an issue for the pro-choice side. You really would have to be pro-abortion to oppose it. Or they just reflexively oppose anything Focus on the Family does, which also seems likely.

I highly doubt that the ad will argue for abortion legislation, both because CBS apparently has rules about that kind of thing for Super Bowl ads, and because Mrs. Tebow would be kind of a strange candidate to make that argument. After all, she chose to risk her life by ignoring her doctor's advice in carrying her pregnancy to term. It's great that everything worked out for her, but I don't know many people who think there should should be a law forcing every woman in her situation to do the same thing.


I don't believe Mrs. Tebow's life was the one in danger. The drugs she received could have greatly harmed the "baby". She was over the illness herself. So her situation, as you put it, wasn't just about her.
I am no Dobson supporter (and indeed am not even a Christian at all) but I think FOF or any other group has a right to run an ad they paid for themselves. I heard one of these old feminist trolls on Fox News a few minutes ago saying that this ad is "hate" and that "hate of this sort should have no place on American TV."

Can anyone explain to me how a pro-life message is "hate?" To whom exactly is the message directing hate towards? It can't be hating the baby, since it's obviously an attempt at saving the baby's life. Perhaps it is hate towards the mother? Perhaps the mother didn't want to be "punished" with a baby (to quote Obama)?

That's a rhetorical question, of course. The truth is that these leftist groups have a long history of throwing the term "hate" around whenever they find a policy they disagree with on ideological grounds, even though there is no logical reason for the term "hate" to be used at all. This is just another attempt to scare the general public away from the message by suggesting its messengers are a bunch of "haters." Typical leftist tactics.

From what I hear this ad does not argue for an overturning of Roe v. Wade, and it has been thoroughly vetted by CBS (and they stand behind it which says something coming from them).
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Originally posted by outspokenjerk:
Dobson nor Focus on the Family paid for the Super Bowl ad. It was private donor funded.


Where do you get that information? CNN says, "The 30-second spot comes from the Christian advocacy group Focus on the Family."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports...-super-bowl-ad_N.htm

New York Times Headline is as follows:

"Tebow to Appear in Ad for Focus on the Family"
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01...html?ref=todayspaper

Gather.com says this:

" The Tim Tebow Super Bowl ad is sponsored by Focus on the Family. According to Catholic Transcript, the Tim Tebow Super Bowl ad will feature him and his mom sharing their personal story."
http://www.gather.com/viewArti...leId=281474978018065

Many other media sources say that Dobson's Focus on the Family is sponsoring this ad. Where do YOU get your information?
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Originally posted by earthmomma:
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Originally posted by F350:
If the pro-choice folks have a problem let them make their own commercial singing the praises of planned parenthood. Problem solved.
I vote for equal time. Let an aborted embryo/fetus (who might have been a greater ball player than Tebow) argue for abortion!


Good point! Smiler
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Originally posted by Clover-Dale:
I am no Dobson supporter (and indeed am not even a Christian at all) but I think FOF or any other group has a right to run an ad they paid for themselves. I heard one of these old feminist trolls on Fox News a few minutes ago saying that this ad is "hate" and that "hate of this sort should have no place on American TV."

Can anyone explain to me how a pro-life message is "hate?" To whom exactly is the message directing hate towards? It can't be hating the baby, since it's obviously an attempt at saving the baby's life. Perhaps it is hate towards the mother? Perhaps the mother didn't want to be "punished" with a baby (to quote Obama)?

That's a rhetorical question, of course. The truth is that these leftist groups have a long history of throwing the term "hate" around whenever they find a policy they disagree with on ideological grounds, even though there is no logical reason for the term "hate" to be used at all. This is just another attempt to scare the general public away from the message by suggesting its messengers are a bunch of "haters." Typical leftist tactics.

From what I hear this ad does not argue for an overturning of Roe v. Wade, and it has been thoroughly vetted by CBS (and they stand behind it which says something coming from them).


I understand your concern about accusations of "hate," since I have been accused of hating George W. Bush many times, on these forums and elsewhere. There is a certain element among the right wing constituency that can not accept the fact that one can level deserved criticiam at a political figure without hating him or her.

Irrespective of ideology or philosophy, persons who disagree should get off this automatic accusation of "hate" against persons with whom they disagree!
I thought the objection was to the CONTENT of the message, not who paid for it. These disgusting women who a crying that it is a hate message and such are the real haters, and their objection is to the message. Indeed the objections might be termed as a counter message saying , "We wish Mr. Tebow had been aborted". Really nice people these "pro choice" folks. Okay, not really at all...
It cracks me up all the people with the undies in a bunch over this ad. On the radio this morning there were talking about people calling in to various talk shows saying a football game was no place for such an ad. But apparently its the perfect place for all the beer ads, go-daddy sexual ads and anything else that generates a ton of money a year. I dont see the problem with this ad personally. She's not getting on there ****ing anyone who is pro-abortion. I agree with the earlier comment, anyone opposed to this ad is free to get up off their wallet and run their own ad.
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
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level deserved criticiam


So you don't hate Bush, Beck, Palin, Hannity, or O'Reilly?


Now maybe you are beginning to get it. Of course I don't hate these people. I sure do hate a lot of things they do and stand for, but I have no hatred for them.

I totally disagree with the accusations that supporters of the Tebow ad are motivated by hatred. That is bogus.

Look--here is an example from another perspective. Often the right-wing and Christian critics of homosexuality and gay "marriage" are accused of hating gays. Their response, typically, is that "We hate the sin, not the sinner." I believe that is a true and sincere statement. It is indeed possible to hate the sin but not hate the sinner. Why can not the same benefit of the doubt be given to those who criticize the political actions and ideologies of others? Are we not entitled to hate those actions and ideologies without being accused of hating those who hold them? Or is it always to be assumed that owe are motivated by hatred--especially when the accusers can not posasibly know what is in our hearts and thoughts?

Be fair.

Just think about it.

.
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Originally posted by marksw59:
I thought the objection was to the CONTENT of the message, not who paid for it. These disgusting women who a crying that it is a hate message and such are the real haters, and their objection is to the message. Indeed the objections might be termed as a counter message saying , "We wish Mr. Tebow had been aborted". Really nice people these "pro choice" folks. Okay, not really at all...


Marksw59,
You my friend really get it.
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Originally posted by MrsJoeMerchant:
It cracks me up all the people with the undies in a bunch over this ad. On the radio this morning there were talking about people calling in to various talk shows saying a football game was no place for such an ad. But apparently its the perfect place for all the beer ads, go-daddy sexual ads and anything else that generates a ton of money a year. I dont see the problem with this ad personally. She's not getting on there ****ing anyone who is pro-abortion. I agree with the earlier comment, anyone opposed to this ad is free to get up off their wallet and run their own ad.


Yes the libs should pony up and tell it like it is: Conservatives are pro-life, liberals are pro-death and darn proud of it!
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by outspokenjerk:
Dobson nor Focus on the Family paid for the Super Bowl ad. It was private donor funded.


Where do you get that information? CNN says, "The 30-second spot comes from the Christian advocacy group Focus on the Family."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports...-super-bowl-ad_N.htm

New York Times Headline is as follows:

"Tebow to Appear in Ad for Focus on the Family"
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01...html?ref=todayspaper

Gather.com says this:

" The Tim Tebow Super Bowl ad is sponsored by Focus on the Family. According to Catholic Transcript, the Tim Tebow Super Bowl ad will feature him and his mom sharing their personal story."
http://www.gather.com/viewArti...leId=281474978018065

Many other media sources say that Dobson's Focus on the Family is sponsoring this ad. Where do YOU get your information?


Well, I got MY information from the source. Focus on the Family. The money for the ad did not come from their operating budget. It came from private donors who gave for that SPECIFIC ad. Just because it went through FOF does not mean it was funded by FOF. And furthermore, what the heck difference does it make if they did? Geez!
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Originally posted by outspokenjerk:
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Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by outspokenjerk:
Dobson nor Focus on the Family paid for the Super Bowl ad. It was private donor funded.


Where do you get that information? CNN says, "The 30-second spot comes from the Christian advocacy group Focus on the Family."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports...-super-bowl-ad_N.htm

New York Times Headline is as follows:

"Tebow to Appear in Ad for Focus on the Family"
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01...html?ref=todayspaper

Gather.com says this:

" The Tim Tebow Super Bowl ad is sponsored by Focus on the Family. According to Catholic Transcript, the Tim Tebow Super Bowl ad will feature him and his mom sharing their personal story."
http://www.gather.com/viewArti...leId=281474978018065

Many other media sources say that Dobson's Focus on the Family is sponsoring this ad. Where do YOU get your information?


Well, I got MY information from the source. Focus on the Family. The money for the ad did not come from their operating budget. It came from private donors who gave for that SPECIFIC ad. Just because it went through FOF does not mean it was funded by FOF. And furthermore, what the heck difference does it make if they did? Geez!


Splitting hairs there, OJ.

So the privarte source gave the money to Focus on the Family and Focus on the Family spent it on the ad? That means that the CNN is correct in reporting that, "The 30-second spot comes from the Christian advocacy group Focus on the Family."It also means that Gather.com is correct in reporting that, "The Tim Tebow Super Bowl ad is sponsored by Focus on the Family."

Maybe the donor laundered the money through Focus on the Family, but it was FOF that sponsored the ad and took the money and PAID the network for the ad. End of story.
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Originally posted by Jugflier:
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
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level deserved criticiam


So you don't hate Bush, Beck, Palin, Hannity, or O'Reilly?


Ferrell,
As a conservative, I can't stand any of the above you mentioned, with the exception of O'Reilly.


Yes, and I seriously doubt you're really a conservative.

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