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"Tina Turner, the US-born superstar famed for hits such as "Private Dancer", has married her longtime German partner and will reportedly celebrate the union in a Buddhist ceremony in Switzerland Sunday.

 

The 73-year-old retired singer wed 57-year-old record executive Erwin Bach in a discreet civil ceremony on the banks of Lake Zurich in Kusnacht, northern Switzerland "a few days ago," municipal official Hannes Friess told AFP.

 

According to Swiss media reports, the pair will celebrate the union at their Kusnacht manor on Sunday with an intimate Buddhist ceremony attended by 120 guests.

 

Music industry A-listers including David Bowie, Eros Ramazzoti and Sade are due to attend along with television talk show queen Oprah Winfrey, according to Swiss weekly Schweiz am Sonntag, which also reported guests were requested to wear white.

 

The bride herself, who traded in her US passport for a Swiss one earlier this year, will be wearing a gown designed by Italian fashion giant Giorgio Armani, according to the newspaper, which did not reveal its sources.

 

Swiss media reported that a small stage would be set up for Sunday's party, and that Turner and Bach had sent out letters to their neighbours apologising in advance for the noise they might cause.

Turner, born Anna Mae Bullock in Tennessee, was the voice of such hits as "Simply the Best" and "We Don't Need Another Hero", over a five-decades long career, and moved to Switzerland in 1995 when Bach was transferred to the country.

 

Before her relationship with Bach began in the mid-1980s, Turner was famously married to her musical partner Ike Turner for 14 years.

 

She left him in 1976 after suffering serious domestic abuse, as detailed in her autobiography "I, Tina," and alluded to in her 1984 hit "What's Love Got To Do With It."

Tina Turner retired from the public eye after a final tour in 2008/2009.

   
 
Thanks, Obama, more Americans have left under him than any time since the War for Independence. 
 
Tina Turner arrives for a fashion show by Giorgio Armani in Beijing on May 31, 2012. Turner, the US-born superstar famed for hits such as "Private Dancer", has married her longtime German partner and will reportedly celebrate the union in a Buddhist ceremony in Switzerland Sunday.
 
Not bad for 73.   
 
 
   
 
 
   

According to Swiss media reports, the pair will celebrate the union at their Kusnacht manor on Sunday with an intimate Buddhist ceremony attended by 120 guests.

   
   
   
   

   

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Originally Posted by Airmoble:

Why are you giving thanks to president Obama?  She's been living in Europe for the past 20+ years.

 

airmobile,

 

Yes, she's lived abroad.   However, she retained her US citizenship. Now, she's joined the hundreds who give up their US citizenship since Obama became president. Used to be only a few annually before that.

 The thanks was sarcastic, in case it flew over you.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Dire,

 

For a man who claims to have some back ground in taxes you should know why there are more and more ex-pats giving up their citizenship.

 

Taxes and the Patriot Act is the answer. Visit any ex-pat forum or website and you will see it has nothing to do with who the President is. 

 

Jank,

 

Yes, higher taxes and the growing debt are two main factors mentioned. Both grew the worst on Obama's watch. Growth in giving up citizenship coincides with Obama's time in office. Ex-pats are merely US citizens working and/or living overseas, not former citizens.

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Dire,

 

For a man who claims to have some back ground in taxes you should know why there are more and more ex-pats giving up their citizenship.

 

Taxes and the Patriot Act is the answer. Visit any ex-pat forum or website and you will see it has nothing to do with who the President is. 

 

Jank,

 

Yes, higher taxes and the growing debt are two main factors mentioned. Both grew the worst on Obama's watch. Growth in giving up citizenship coincides with Obama's time in office. Ex-pats are merely US citizens working and/or living overseas, not former citizens.

___________________________

 

Dire,

 

Read this if you please, and then get back to me with your thoughts. 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04...us/26expat.html?_r=0

Originally Posted by Airmoble:

Why are you giving thanks to president Obama?  She's been living in Europe for the past 20+ years.

____________________

 

It's just Dire. He likes to make outlandish accusations in his thread titles and then post an article that in no way backs up his false accusation. In this case he assumes that Tina Turner, who has, as you said, been living abroad for over 20 years, is renouncing her citizenship because of President Obama. Then he posted an article about her wedding with a blurb about her giving up her citizenship and BAM its all President Obama's fault. Makes perfect sense, right?  

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Airmoble:

Why are you giving thanks to president Obama?  She's been living in Europe for the past 20+ years.

 

airmobile,

 

Yes, she's lived abroad.   However, she retained her US citizenship. Now, she's joined the hundreds who give up their US citizenship since Obama became president. Used to be only a few annually before that.

 The thanks was sarcastic, in case it flew over you.

Taxes are going up everywhere, and they pay US taxes no matter where they live, even if they have no intention of ever moving back.  It's also is ignoring the fact that since 2008 it's been possible to pay an exit tax to leave, so of course starting the next year the number of people who take advantage is going to increase.  Someone brings this up here every six months and it's the same answer.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Dire,

 

For a man who claims to have some back ground in taxes you should know why there are more and more ex-pats giving up their citizenship.

 

Taxes and the Patriot Act is the answer. Visit any ex-pat forum or website and you will see it has nothing to do with who the President is. 

 

Jank,

 

Yes, higher taxes and the growing debt are two main factors mentioned. Both grew the worst on Obama's watch. Growth in giving up citizenship coincides with Obama's time in office. Ex-pats are merely US citizens working and/or living overseas, not former citizens.

___________________________

 

Dire,

 

Read this if you please, and then get back to me with your thoughts. 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04...us/26expat.html?_r=0

Jank,

 

Thank you for providing support for my post!  The article agrees with my conclusion that more Americans are renouncing their citizenship than ever.  Also, from your linked article:

"Anecdotally, frustrations over tax and banking questions, not political considerations, appear to be the main drivers of the surge."  Taxes, which I mentioned, and banking questions, which I didn't mention.  Dodd-Frank is the reason for the banking consideration.  Dodd-Frank places fines upon foreign banks who have branches in the US, if they do not report all US citizens who have accounts in their banks in their native nations.  As the fines are about equal to the income the bank would make in the US, the banks simply close the US citizens accounts.  These accounts are for millions of US ex-pats who simply live overseas, working and retired, and need accounts simply to pay their bills and keep their money -- not to dodge US taxes.  Dodd-Frank -- another massive bill enacted without much forethought.  Forethought from Congress, what was I thinking!  The growing debt was also mentioned by individuals. 

 

Also, politics was not a consideration, which obviates one of your arguments considering the Patriot Act.

Originally Posted by ryokurin 2:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Airmoble:

Why are you giving thanks to president Obama?  She's been living in Europe for the past 20+ years.

 

airmobile,

 

Yes, she's lived abroad.   However, she retained her US citizenship. Now, she's joined the hundreds who give up their US citizenship since Obama became president. Used to be only a few annually before that.

 The thanks was sarcastic, in case it flew over you.

Taxes are going up everywhere, and they pay US taxes no matter where they live, even if they have no intention of ever moving back.  It's also is ignoring the fact that since 2008 it's been possible to pay an exit tax to leave, so of course starting the next year the number of people who take advantage is going to increase.  Someone brings this up here every six months and it's the same answer.

 


airmobile,

 

The exit tax increased the tax on wealthy people renouncing their US citizenship.  Its supposed to discourage those leaving. Details at:http://www.isla-offs****.com/s...usa-expats-exit-tax/.  No, taxes are not going up everywhere.  That's why so many are leaving for greener pastures.

Originally Posted by 1130:

I don't care for Obama, however shouldn't we be mad at her? She made it because of being in the USA. Made her money off us and now doesn't want to give back. She sounds like the low life.

 

 

Which is an relatively close quote to King George III on all those nasty colonists. When money flows away from a nation, its not a good thing.

Besides, Dodd-Frank, ex-pats and banks must struggle with  the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act, or Fatca.

 

http://www.weeklystandard.com/...izenship_739896.html

 

I'm reminded of the bone headed suggestion by Carter that ex-pats overseas income no longer be allowed to exclude a portion of their foreign income.  Treasury determined that the result would be tens of thousands of US citizens returning to the US without jobs, during a time of high unemployment -- many of whom were Democrats. 

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Dire,

 

For a man who claims to have some back ground in taxes you should know why there are more and more ex-pats giving up their citizenship.

 

Taxes and the Patriot Act is the answer. Visit any ex-pat forum or website and you will see it has nothing to do with who the President is. 

 

Jank,

 

Yes, higher taxes and the growing debt are two main factors mentioned. Both grew the worst on Obama's watch. Growth in giving up citizenship coincides with Obama's time in office. Ex-pats are merely US citizens working and/or living overseas, not former citizens.

___________________________

 

Dire,

 

Read this if you please, and then get back to me with your thoughts. 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04...us/26expat.html?_r=0

Jank,

 

Thank you for providing support for my post!  The article agrees with my conclusion that more Americans are renouncing their citizenship than ever.  Also, from your linked article:

"Anecdotally, frustrations over tax and banking questions, not political considerations, appear to be the main drivers of the surge."  Taxes, which I mentioned, and banking questions, which I didn't mention.  Dodd-Frank is the reason for the banking consideration.  Dodd-Frank places fines upon foreign banks who have branches in the US, if they do not report all US citizens who have accounts in their banks in their native nations.  As the fines are about equal to the income the bank would make in the US, the banks simply close the US citizens accounts.  These accounts are for millions of US ex-pats who simply live overseas, working and retired, and need accounts simply to pay their bills and keep their money -- not to dodge US taxes.  Dodd-Frank -- another massive bill enacted without much forethought.  Forethought from Congress, what was I thinking!  The growing debt was also mentioned by individuals. 

 

Also, politics was not a consideration, which obviates one of your arguments considering the Patriot Act.

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Actually it does not. The Patriot act has caused Americans who live abroad to be treated as terrorist when it comes to banking. Did you really read the whole article and not read that whole section? You seem to want to also ignore that the article actually contradicts your statements, not support them. They are not leaving because of President Obama and the trend started before he even took office. 

 

From the article:

 

"Stringent new banking regulations — aimed both at curbing tax evasion and, under the Patriot Act, preventing money from flowing to terrorist groups — have inadvertently made it harder for some expats to keep bank accounts in the United States and in some cases abroad.

 

Some U.S.-based banks have closed expats’ accounts because of difficulty in certifying that the holders still maintain U.S. addresses, as required by a Patriot Act provision.

 

“It seems the new anti-terrorist rules are having unintended effects,” Daniel Flynn, who lives in Belgium, wrote in a letter quoted by the Americans Abroad Caucus in the U.S. Congress in correspondence with the Treasury Department.

 

“I was born in San Francisco in 1939, served my country as an army officer from 1961 to 1963, have been paying U.S. income taxes for 57 years, since 1952, have continually maintained federal voting residence, and hold a valid American passport.”

 

Mr. Flynn had held an account with a U.S. bank for 44 years. Still, he wrote, “they said that the new anti-terrorism rules required them to close our account because of our address outside the U.S.”

 

Also under President Obama the amount ex-pats can make before paying US taxes has gone up from 91,000+ to 97,000+. So, what we have is an old tax law that has been negatively effecting US citizens who live abroad for decades and the new Patriot Act that is the driving force behind the renouncing of their citizenship. Nothing to do with President Obama personally. No matter how you try and twist this one Dire, you are once again just throwing out false accusations with nothing to base them on other than your own fantasies. 

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Dire,

 

For a man who claims to have some back ground in taxes you should know why there are more and more ex-pats giving up their citizenship.

 

Taxes and the Patriot Act is the answer. Visit any ex-pat forum or website and you will see it has nothing to do with who the President is. 

 

Jank,

 

Yes, higher taxes and the growing debt are two main factors mentioned. Both grew the worst on Obama's watch. Growth in giving up citizenship coincides with Obama's time in office. Ex-pats are merely US citizens working and/or living overseas, not former citizens.

___________________________

 

Once again....Mr Obvious. Who said otherwise? 

Dire,

 

Here is more reading for you. Seems silly since you claim to have so much knowledge in this field to have to point you in the right direction, but since you seem confused I thought I would help you out.

 

Note the dates and then compare it to when the numbers started rising of US citizens who renounced their citizenship. 

 

Of course I am sure you think President Obama still is to blame...

 

 

http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/...nce-robert-wood.html

 

7. There’s an exit tax for expatriations on or after June 17, 2008.

The Heroes Earnings Assistance and Relief Tax Act of 2008 (generally known as the Heroes Act) changed the method of taxation for those who became expatriates on or after June 17, 2008, adding even more complexity and usually higher U.S. taxes. If you are a U.S. citizen or long-term resident who expatriates on or after June 17, 2008, you will be deemed (for tax purposes) to have sold all of your worldwide property for its fair market value the day before you leave the U.S.! All that gain is subject to U.S. tax at the capital gains rate. Plus, all your gain is taken into account without regard to any ameliorative tax provisions in the Internal Revenue Code.

Put differently, you get all of the bad parts of the tax code, and none of the good. That would include, for example, the inability to benefit from the $250,000 per person ($500,000 per couple) exclusion from gain on a principal residence (Section 121 of the Internal Revenue Code) and many other rules. The exit tax is like an estate tax, in the sense that everything that would be part of your estate will be subject to income tax on unrealized gains as of the day before you expatriate, as if you sold all your assets the day before leaving. In effect this is Congress’ way of making sure your assets don’t escape the estate tax entirely through expatriation.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Dire,

 

Here is more reading for you. Seems silly since you claim to have so much knowledge in this field to have to point you in the right direction, but since you seem confused I thought I would help you out.

 

Note the dates and then compare it to when the numbers started rising of US citizens who renounced their citizenship. 

 

Of course I am sure you think President Obama still is to blame...

 

 

http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/...nce-robert-wood.html

 

7. There’s an exit tax for expatriations on or after June 17, 2008.

The Heroes Earnings Assistance and Relief Tax Act of 2008 (generally known as the Heroes Act) changed the method of taxation for those who became expatriates on or after June 17, 2008, adding even more complexity and usually higher U.S. taxes. If you are a U.S. citizen or long-term resident who expatriates on or after June 17, 2008, you will be deemed (for tax purposes) to have sold all of your worldwide property for its fair market value the day before you leave the U.S.! All that gain is subject to U.S. tax at the capital gains rate. Plus, all your gain is taken into account without regard to any ameliorative tax provisions in the Internal Revenue Code.

Put differently, you get all of the bad parts of the tax code, and none of the good. That would include, for example, the inability to benefit from the $250,000 per person ($500,000 per couple) exclusion from gain on a principal residence (Section 121 of the Internal Revenue Code) and many other rules. The exit tax is like an estate tax, in the sense that everything that would be part of your estate will be subject to income tax on unrealized gains as of the day before you expatriate, as if you sold all your assets the day before leaving. In effect this is Congress’ way of making sure your assets don’t escape the estate tax entirely through expatriation.

 

Jank,

 

That was but one step.  The 111th congress doubled down on stupid with FATCA -- the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act.  Signed on March 18th, 2010 (note date), the last portions became law on December 31, 2012 -- a major reason for the increase in exits in 2012. 

 

Provisions for FATCA include:

 

  • It requires foreign financial institutions, such as banks, to enter into an agreement with the IRS to identify their U.S. account holders and to disclose the account holders' names, TINs, addresses, and the accounts' balances, receipts, and withdrawals.[11] U.S. payors making payments to non-compliant foreign financial institutions are required to withhold 30% of the gross payments.[12][13][14] Foreign financial institutions which are themselves the beneficial owners of such payments are not permitted a credit or refund on withheld taxes absent a treaty override.[15]
  • U.S. persons owning these foreign accounts or other specified financial assets must report them on a new Form 8938 which is filed with the person's U.S. tax returns if they are generally worth more than US$50,000;[16] a higher reporting threshold applies to overseas residents and others.[17][18] Account holders would be subject to a 40% penalty on understatements of income in an undisclosed foreign financial asset.[13][19] Understatements of greater than 25% of gross income are subject to an extended statute of limitations period of 6 years.[20]
  • It closes a tax loophole that foreign investors had used to avoid paying taxes on U.S. dividends by converting them into "dividend equivalents" through the use of swap contracts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...t_Tax_Compliance_Act

 


 

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

If they want to give up their American citizenship, let em.  At that point, they go to the back of the Hispanic list to get in.(FOR ANY REASON AT ALL)

jtd.

 

So, you wish to swap high income revenue earners including entrepreneurs for largely unskilled, uneducated poverty stricken immigrants. 

 

I thought Atlas Shrugged was supposed to be a cautionary tale, not the headlines and government policy.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

To Dire;  I said nothing about swapping anything.  If someone wants to GIVE up their American citizenship in order to avoid our tax rates, let them.  Then, they stay out.  No returns for any reason.  I did not say "for each one who renounces their citizenship, we're gonna take a third world person.

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Why should they stay out? You don't seem to have a problem with all the illegals swarming in that haven't and don't contribute anything, instead they just take. Why shouldn't the illegals stay out? Of the ones leaving, we can at least say that while here those people were contributing part of their money and paying their on way.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

To Dire;  I said nothing about swapping anything.  If someone wants to GIVE up their American citizenship in order to avoid our tax rates, let them.  Then, they stay out.  No returns for any reason.  I did not say "for each one who renounces their citizenship, we're gonna take a third world person.

 

jtd,

 

You just answered your own statement. You're willing to let things get so bad that hire earners and the successful jump ship.  Then, replace them with third world types.  Not exactly a recipe for growing a society.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

To Dire;  I said nothing about swapping anything.  If someone wants to GIVE up their American citizenship in order to avoid our tax rates, let them.  Then, they stay out.  No returns for any reason.  I did not say "for each one who renounces their citizenship, we're gonna take a third world person.

Maybe we should have a system that ENCOURAGES businesses and entrepreneurs to set up shop in the US instead of one that encourages them to leave. You are blaming the people instead of blaming the system that encourages them to leave the country.

Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

First time I saw tina turner I thought she was a man doing a comedy skit dressed as a woman.

 

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I take it wasn’t during one of her performances of "Proud Mary."

 

No man, not even Joe Namath in panty hose, has legs like Tina.

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I wouldn't be so sure that no man had legs like hers.

 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by budsfarm:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

First time I saw tina turner I thought she was a man doing a comedy skit dressed as a woman.

 

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I take it wasn’t during one of her performances of "Proud Mary."

 

No man, not even Joe Namath in panty hose, has legs like Tina.

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I wouldn't be so sure that no man had legs like hers.

 

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Very nice, but Tina vs. Tina is not a comparison.  Show me a picture of a man’s legs that look better than Tina’s.

 

Cue theme from Jeopardy.

 

 

Do you mean as muscled as her legs? There are plenty. I was walking through the living room, a man was on TV singing, she, of course I found out later it was a she, came kind of skittering, sliding, running out, and started singing with him. The hair looked like a fright wig, the muscled legs and arms, very similar to the picture posted above, and I thought it was a man doing a comedy skit. I had never seen, or heard of, ike and tina turner before then. No idea what the show was, I kept walking. I was surprised to find out it was a woman. That's it, all it was to it. She got famous, I guess someone showed her how to dress,  but it doesn't change what I said, I thought she was a man the first time I saw her.

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