quote:Originally posted by Good Old William Nads:
Bill Gray isnt gay,at least i dont believe so
No, no hes not. Not even a little.
quote:Originally posted by Good Old William Nads:
Bill Gray isnt gay,at least i dont believe so
quote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:
This all began when ,the now banned, "46:1" began admitting to and advocating verbal and physical violence against gays in another thread. When I told him that he could be arrested for verbally or physically attacking ANYONE, his response was "not if I don't get caught." There was no mistaking his intent. I copied his remarks to file and notified the moderators. He then claimed "descrimination" and found a cheerleader in "tnt5862" who defended the remarks and went on a rant of his own."46:1" then started this thread to try and enlist Bill Gray's assistance. He lied and denied his remarks (which I posted verbatim)and continued his psychotic ramblings.Fortunately Bill and everyone else rejected violence in any form against anyone. We must, in no uncertain terms, reject violence and report such language when appropriate. Fortunately we live in a society where we are allowed to like, love or dislike anyone we wish. No one is forced to "agree" with anyone else. What is required of us is civility and respect of ones right to exist - its called "the law".
quote:Originally posted by NotFeelingSafeInAmerica:
Reading all of this stuff just reminds me of why I turned away from organized religion. Everybody just seemed to be looking for somebody else to "feel better than" whether it be a non-christian, a different race, a homosexual, or just the guy who liked to party on Saturday and go to church on Sunday. For the most part, they preach one thing and practice something else. I feel much closer to God when I am alone in the woods or sitting with a group of people who believe we are all God's kids and He alone has the right to "parent" us. It disgusts me when I see how much we "hurt" each other in the name of "God". It disgusts me more to see one seeking to empower themselves by professing to know the will of God or to interpret His messages to suit their own purposes. If you think that means I'm going to Hell, Bill, you may be surprised. I fell as confirmed in my convictions as you feel in yours. So how do you explain that? But I don't go around trying to make everybody else think the way I do. I believe that God will lead each one of us to where He wants us to be for His purposes, of which we know nothing but He knows everything. So why not just let Him run the show? The best teaching a person can do is through their example...the way they lead their own life. I choose to follow those who turly show love to one another, regardless of any behavior they may exhibit. I don't have to accept or approve that behavior but neither do I need to condemn the person. I don't know everything that has happened to that person since the day they were born or before...so how can I possibly have enough information to determine whether they should go to Heaven or Hell? But God does, so he alone should judge that. If you are seeking to convert people to God's ways, then perhaps you might consider looking within yourself, because that is where you will find Him. But you will not find HIm if you seek to Be Him.
I am writing this only to let you know how your "writings" are affecting me and possibly a lot of others. If you truly wish to do God's work, you need to be aware of when you may be doing more harm than good. And that goes to some of the ones who have answered you as well, not just you.
quote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Female - got ya dear. You just sounded so masculine. My bad.
One does not "turn gay" and no one suspected that you were gay. In addition, no one cares if you like or dislike anyone. So relax, your right of association, or free speech is not infringed upon.
Perhaps you should have explored the post a bit more before you assumed that "46:1" was banned simply for not supporting homosexuals (voicing his opinion). He had advocated VIOLENCE, both physical and verbal. THAT is why his posts were removed and why he was banned. If you have any doubt of that fact - read the post at the beginning of this thread. I posted it verbatim.
quote:Originally posted by jetboy:
Posted 29 April 2008 02:06 PM Hide Post
The post below was a question for Tnt5862.
Ummmm.......Well, actually posts can have a gender specific tone. That really doesn't matter now does it?
I asked you if you supported violence in another thread and you declined to answer. I am still curious - do you, like all the rest of us condemn violence against ALL individuals? This would include gays and lesbians?
You posted this in another thread meanasasnake.
The post below was directed to "46:1". I posted it because of some threatening language that had been posted.
"I still am a big advocate for personal protection. If anyone feels threatened they certainly have the right to defend themselves in any manner neccessary. I suggest calling the cops if you have time. If not do what ever it takes to protect youself. Perhaps a gun training class would be in order. Almost anyone can obtain a license to own a firearm."
Who exactly were you talking to?
And I agree, there isn't a thing they can do about us!
quote:I am a straight woman - but you are right, gay people have just as much right to exist as anyone else. Not a thing anyone can do about that fact.
quote:Originally posted by jetboy:quote:I am a straight woman - but you are right, gay people have just as much right to exist as anyone else. Not a thing anyone can do about that fact.
I am sooo glad too, you are so zooshy.
But you didn't answer my question. Who were you talking to in this statement>
""I still am a big advocate for personal protection. If anyone feels threatened they certainly have the right to defend themselves in any manner neccessary. I suggest calling the cops if you have time. If not do what ever it takes to protect youself. Perhaps a gun training class would be in order. Almost anyone can obtain a license to own a firearm.""
quote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Ummmm.......Well, actually posts can have a gender specific tone. That really doesn't matter now does it?
I asked you if you supported violence in another thread and you declined to answer. I am still curious - do you, like all the rest of us condemn violence against ALL individuals? This would include gays and lesbians?
quote:Originally posted by tnt5862:quote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Ummmm.......Well, actually posts can have a gender specific tone. That really doesn't matter now does it?
I asked you if you supported violence in another thread and you declined to answer. I am still curious - do you, like all the rest of us condemn violence against ALL individuals? This would include gays and lesbians?
If I didnt answer you its because I didnt go back in the thread and see the question .
No ,I dont support violence . I dont think gays should be hit on because of the partner the pick either . But I still dont have to like them , I wont go hitting on one ,but I wont lay down with one either .lol Im not a violent person .
quote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:quote:Originally posted by tnt5862:quote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Ummmm.......Well, actually posts can have a gender specific tone. That really doesn't matter now does it?
I asked you if you supported violence in another thread and you declined to answer. I am still curious - do you, like all the rest of us condemn violence against ALL individuals? This would include gays and lesbians?
If I didnt answer you its because I didnt go back in the thread and see the question .
No ,I dont support violence . I dont think gays should be hit on because of the partner the pick either . But I still dont have to like them , I wont go hitting on one ,but I wont lay down with one either .lol Im not a violent person .
Thanks! No one has to like anyone. Of course if you don't know who they sleep with - you might like em anyway.
quote:Not to mention what God said about it .
quote:Originally posted by David L.:
I don't why I keep repeating this but here goes. First of all, someone said that it was a preference. I knew that I was attracted to guys before I really understood anything about sexuality. And no, no one came to my school and recruited me! This was back in the 1970s when information on the subject was especially hard to find. Thankfully, I read a lot and thanks to books, I learned that there were others just like me. Believe me, it is not an easy thing to discover about yourself and if I had indeed had a preference, I would not have chosen it. As for Bill's statement about the "recruiting," that is one of the oldest lies and load of hogwash ever distributed by the far right. The only reason gay and lesbian organizations are on campuses is to help young gay people deal with who they are - or help those being discriminated against. The whole idea of trying to turn a straight person into a gay person is about the dumbest thing I can think of!
As for Bill's photo, he is being really narrow-minded to think that the men is saying that he is teaching children to become gay. I mean, really, is that what you gather from the photo? I think that the man is saying that he is gay and he is a teacher, like all the other teachers out there.
quote:Originally posted by tnt5862:
Im out of this one ,,,talk about it all you want to, but I'll not post in here again !!!!
quote:My own life journey has taught me that those who seek to "put down" others for any reason, are acting out of their own feelings of inadequacy and guilt. They simply feel compelled to find someone else they can feel superior to
quote:Originally posted by GoFish:quote:My own life journey has taught me that those who seek to "put down" others for any reason, are acting out of their own feelings of inadequacy and guilt. They simply feel compelled to find someone else they can feel superior to
Speak fer yerself, NSF.
Up until quite recently, I was a victim of my own self-inflicted conservative slants. I was a homophobe. It had nothing to to with superiority and everything to do with ignorance.
quote:Originally posted by my little 2 cents:
My own life journey has taught me that those who seek to "put down" others for any reason, are acting out of their own feelings of inadequacy and guilt. They simply feel compelled to find someone else they can feel superior to. It's a lot easier than dealing with their own garbage. Pity them. "By their works, ye shall know them." HE said. So when you see unkindness, meanness or ignorance, just try to avoid it so it doesn't rub off. lol
None of us are perfect, and I am glad we're not...it leaves us room to learn. I pity the ones who think they already know everything. Don't you?
quote:People are talking about how a child is born, as if that makes a difference if something is a sin or not. Have you ever noticed how a child has inherited ungodly traits that are never learned but are simply natural? Little Johnny did not have to be told to hit his sister when she picked up his toy car. When little Johnny doesn’t get his way he explodes in anger and throws things. If little Johnny were raised without someone taking a firm hand to him and correcting him, he would be a terror. Where did all of those things about him come from? Could it be that little Johnny has inherited a fallen sinful nature just like everybody else? Could little Johnny be born in sin, and prone to sin? Should we excuse ourselves, since all sins have a tendency to come naturally without trying? As a matter of fact, the Christian must make an effort not to sin in order to live a godly life. Everyone has inherited a fallen nature. It is only through Jesus Christ that we can crucify that nature and receive a new nature from God.
quote:Actually it was a statement directed at anyone who feels threatened. I would not normally suggest that anyone rush out and buy a gun, but if someone is threatening you and you have no other option, go for it. Take a gun safety class. Some police departments offer such classes, and there are also private schools recommended by gun dealers and law enforcement. The post was in response to a "suspended" user "46:1". Hes probably lurking about us at this very moment.
quote:Originally posted by jetboy:quote:Actually it was a statement directed at anyone who feels threatened. I would not normally suggest that anyone rush out and buy a gun, but if someone is threatening you and you have no other option, go for it. Take a gun safety class. Some police departments offer such classes, and there are also private schools recommended by gun dealers and law enforcement. The post was in response to a "suspended" user "46:1". Hes probably lurking about us at this very moment.
Oh, I was asking because you are anti-violence in one thread then advising to take up firearms in another. I'm a little confused. Excuse me I'm off to make the blind see, toodles.
quote:I can tell you right now, if some man abused me, I would "turn him from a rooster to a hen with one shot."
quote:Originally posted by jetboy:quote:I can tell you right now, if some man abused me, I would "turn him from a rooster to a hen with one shot."
The poster said he kicked the guy in the rear, you advised to get a gun and shoot him, not anti-violent in my book. I think you have some sort of issues with being truthful.
"Good luck with the blind! Let me know if I can help."
Oh you can, anytime!"
quote:Darling, I am speaking of the last resort if your life is threatened not just getting kicked in the rear. You clearly are unaware of the number of hate crimes committed each year in this country.
quote:Originally posted by jetboy:quote:Darling, I am speaking of the last resort if your life is threatened not just getting kicked in the rear. You clearly are unaware of the number of hate crimes committed each year in this country.
The subject was only involving the rear kicking thing, now you add life threatening situations? Well Ijust didn't see that written anywhere. anything to justify your violent statement ehh?
You must be really magic to see inside my mind and be able to tell what I know,