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The use of electric shock as a method of torture was first documented in Nazi, Germany, but today it is still used as an acceptable use of ... all » torture in the United States.

In Gwinnett County, Georgia, an un-edited police videotape shows 31-year-old Deacon Frederick Williams being struck with a TASER five times in 43 seconds, just 4 minutes after being led into the jail.

He was handcuffed behind his back and in leg restraints, following an epileptic seizure at his home; an ambulance was called by his wife and son, but the police arrived first. His last words were: "Don't kill me, man. Don't kill me."

No charges have been filed in the torture / murder; the County DA refused to show this video to a Grand Jury, even though another man in custody was murdered just months earlier after being tortured with a TASER

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1964707186772642906
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PBA, out of the first 16 posts on this page, you have started EIGHT of them... Can you allow others a chance?

I didn't go to the site, nor am I going to read the post.. I dont want the good threads to disappear while all this Nazi stuff keeps on being posted

Or about police brutality...

Please PBA, NONE of us are dummies, and we all have already either seen this, or read about it...

Sorry buddie, I just had to say it... And the only reason I am saying it TO you is so maybe you can understand that you are NOT UNWANTED, just the flooding of posts is....

Actually, I like you, and your comments, but I also like OTHER PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO POST and I like good posts, getting a lot of comments to stay on the front page SO WE DONT HAVE TO SEARCH FOR THEM...

Sorry kiddo... dont wanna hurt your feeling, I just am having a not so good day here, and your last post hit me wrong, and I decided to speak up for myself, and for the people who PM me about it.

And besides, do a search YOU have already done a post so much like this one, it is unreal.
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Originally posted by pba:
The use of electric shock as a method of torture was first documented in Nazi, Germany, but today it is still used as an acceptable use of ... all » torture in the United States.

In Gwinnett County, Georgia, an un-edited police videotape shows 31-year-old Deacon Frederick Williams being struck with a TASER five times in 43 seconds, just 4 minutes after being led into the jail.

He was handcuffed behind his back and in leg restraints, following an epileptic seizure at his home; an ambulance was called by his wife and son, but the police arrived first. His last words were: "Don't kill me, man. Don't kill me."

No charges have been filed in the torture / murder; the County DA refused to show this video to a Grand Jury, even though another man in custody was murdered just months earlier after being tortured with a TASER

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1964707186772642906



Why wouldn't direct evidence of a death not be allowed? Is the DA covering up a possible murder? What kind of worthless human being [sic] would refuse to get to the bottom of this?

Notice how the room FULL of sheriffs suddenly half emptied once they knew he was dead? Or the one guy laughing about it? I couldn't make out his comment
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
PBA, out of the first 16 posts on this page, you have started EIGHT of them... Can you allow others a chance?

I didn't go to the site, nor am I going to read the post.. I dont want the good threads to disappear while all this Nazi stuff keeps on being posted

Or about police brutality...

Please PBA, NONE of us are dummies, and we all have already either seen this, or read about it...

Sorry buddie, I just had to say it... And the only reason I am saying it TO you is so maybe you can understand that you are NOT UNWANTED, just the flooding of posts is....

Actually, I like you, and your comments, but I also like OTHER PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO POST and I like good posts, getting a lot of comments to stay on the front page SO WE DONT HAVE TO SEARCH FOR THEM...

Sorry kiddo... dont wanna hurt your feeling, I just am having a not so good day here, and your last post hit me wrong, and I decided to speak up for myself, and for the people who PM me about it.

And besides, do a search YOU have already done a post so much like this one, it is unreal.



This is good to speak up your thoughts. Thats the America I know!!! But please allow others to speak up and post!! Look, I know you do not agree with me, and I don't get mad at you like you do me because you and I don't see alike. But, I have had people to pm me about you and others, that you don't like to see posts that people might be enlightened on the truth! you put others up to your dirty deeds. have a nice day!


I never said I speak for anyone, I say my views as you do. you try to speak for everyone and control what they post!!!
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MEXICO CITY: A man who tried to commit suicide by throwing himself onto the tracks of the Mexico City subway was later beaten to death by police, prosecutors said Saturday.

Mexico City attorney general's office announced in a press statement that two city policemen who took custody of the man after he was removed from the tracks have been charged with homicide for allegedly beating him to death later in a patrol car.

Truck driver Albano Ramirez Santos, reportedly despondent over the theft of his truck, had tried to kill himself on Thursday by jumping onto the tracks at a city subway station; trains were stopped, but Ramirez Santos told a subway conductor to leave him where he was because he wanted to die.

Station employees removed him from the tracks.

Police were then summoned and the two officers took him to a police station; but when they got there, an ambulance had to be called because he was unconscious. Medics said he was dead by the time they arrived.

A forensic report showed the man died of blows to the chest and head that were not caused by his jumping onto the tracks.

The two officers, Jose de Jesus Sanchez Lemus and Carmelo Campechano Granados, were taken to a city jail to await arraignment on the charges.

Prosecutors offered no motive for the alleged homicide.

Link to Story


What's your poison? Rather be beaten to death or tazed unconscious? Club or TASER???? Either one can be wrong when used inappropriately....or right and acceptable when used correctly.

AND, probably 500 or more, world wide, got a Taser used on them last night without dying....

In custody death is not a new thing. It's been recorded many times since the '60's....coincidentally about the time that the unlawful drug use movement really got stirred up. At first it was laid at the feet of the "LA choke hold", then labeled "positional asphyxiation", then was blamed on "excited delirum", and now Taser is the bad guy of the hour.

I'm not defending the police in this video...although there is more than likely a lot more to the story that just this video (just like there was with the Rodney King video, which was why the officers involved there were exonerated). I just want to point out that not every "in custody death" is a conspiracy, or even a homicide.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
PBA, out of the first 16 posts on this page, you have started EIGHT of them... Can you allow others a chance?

I didn't go to the site, nor am I going to read the post.. I dont want the good threads to disappear while all this Nazi stuff keeps on being posted

Or about police brutality...

Please PBA, NONE of us are dummies, and we all have already either seen this, or read about it...

Sorry buddie, I just had to say it... And the only reason I am saying it TO you is so maybe you can understand that you are NOT UNWANTED, just the flooding of posts is....

Actually, I like you, and your comments, but I also like OTHER PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO POST and I like good posts, getting a lot of comments to stay on the front page SO WE DONT HAVE TO SEARCH FOR THEM...

Sorry kiddo... dont wanna hurt your feeling, I just am having a not so good day here, and your last post hit me wrong, and I decided to speak up for myself, and for the people who PM me about it.

And besides, do a search YOU have already done a post so much like this one, it is unreal.


Please understand that you do *not* speak for everyone. Everyone is entitled to post whenever and whatever (within the TD guidelines of course) they wish. If you do not wish to see PBA's posts then put PBA on your ignore list or simply don't read them.

Also, do you realize that while PBA posts many more topics than you do, you post *far* more messages than PBA does. I do not wish either of you to change your posting habits. Each of you is entitled to post according to your preferences.
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Originally posted by alacharger:What's your poison? Rather be beaten to death or tazed unconscious? Club or TASER???? Either one can be wrong when used inappropriately....or right and acceptable when used correctly.


If those are my two alternatives, I WILL NOT COME TO THE PARTY.

Jailers, who torment the people in their custody are CRIMINALS. There are no two alternatives. JAILERS, and that includes the arresting officer, WHO TORMENT, TORTURE, BEAT, ASSAULT, INSULT, OR ABUSE, the people in their custody ARE CRIMINALS.
Sure they deserve all the protectiions provided under the constitutions for the Accused, Including PROTECTION FROM CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT.
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Originally posted by logical:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
PBA, out of the first 16 posts on this page, you have started EIGHT of them... Can you allow others a chance?

I didn't go to the site, nor am I going to read the post.. I dont want the good threads to disappear while all this Nazi stuff keeps on being posted

Or about police brutality...

Please PBA, NONE of us are dummies, and we all have already either seen this, or read about it...

Sorry buddie, I just had to say it... And the only reason I am saying it TO you is so maybe you can understand that you are NOT UNWANTED, just the flooding of posts is....

Actually, I like you, and your comments, but I also like OTHER PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO POST and I like good posts, getting a lot of comments to stay on the front page SO WE DONT HAVE TO SEARCH FOR THEM...

Sorry kiddo... dont wanna hurt your feeling, I just am having a not so good day here, and your last post hit me wrong, and I decided to speak up for myself, and for the people who PM me about it.

And besides, do a search YOU have already done a post so much like this one, it is unreal.


Please understand that you do *not* speak for everyone. Everyone is entitled to post whenever and whatever (within the TD guidelines of course) they wish. If you do not wish to see PBA's posts then put PBA on your ignore list or simply don't read them.

Also, do you realize that while PBA posts many more topics than you do, you post *far* more messages than PBA does. I do not wish either of you to change your posting habits. Each of you is entitled to post according to your preferences.


I never said I speak for anyone, I say my views as you do. you try to speak for everyone and control what they post!!!
I don't think CONSERVATIVES do that, but "conservatives" certainly do. The difference is one talks and one does. The pseudo-conservatives (in name only) are 100% behind police rioting and beating and killing. The real conservatives support the police when they are right and not when they are wrong (but they will keep pretty silent about it).

The Bush neocons, RWNs and wack-jobs glory in the few cops that beat or electrocute a man to death just for the hell of it. They have no problem with invading a random country and occupying it. And when it goes south - they increase the number of Americans dying there and cheer.
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Originally posted by logical:
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Originally posted by pba:

I never said I speak for anyone, I say my views as you do. you try to speak for everyone and control what they post!!!


I think you are a bit confused. You are replying to a post that was directed to Kindred Spirit not you. Please don't be so quick to post a retort.



Sooooo sorry about that! forgive me!

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