Torturing Terrorist VS Abortion

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Originally posted by ngt2293:
The liberals and liberal press want you to believe that torturing terrorist to gain valuable information is inhumane but abortions are perfectly legal and they are perfectly humane at any trimester.

That is just not true. Nobody supports abortion in the third trimester in a normal pregnancy. There are some special circumstances where I feel that it is the most humane choice, but not in the overwhelming majority of pregnancies that far along. Besides, I bet that no one wants one, outside of special conditions, if they haven't gotten one by that point.

You got to be kidding, Dr. Tiller's speciality was late term abortions and yes there are plenty of women who decide to terminate their babies life at 8 and 9 months. It's called convience and most of the time the mother's health is not in jeopardy. For some of these women they deny they are pregnant or teenagers who do not want their parents to know until ooops I have a eight month old baby living inside of me lets see my mental state will be effected so how can I abort this "thing".

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Originally posted by ngt2293:
You got to be kidding, Dr. Tiller's speciality was late term abortions and yes there are plenty of women who decide to terminate their babies life at 8 and 9 months. It's called convience and most of the time the mother's health is not in jeopardy. For some of these women they deny they are pregnant or teenagers who do not want their parents to know until ooops I have a eight month old baby living inside of me lets see my mental state will be effected so how can I abort this "thing".

Yeah, I was just kidding.

This is typical of the pro-death crowd, and they accuse us of being a bunch of mean spirited hypocrites.

Give me a break

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
This is typical of the pro-death crowd, and they accuse us of being a bunch of mean spirited hypocrites.

Give me a break

See, I've known a women who had a child knowing that it was going to live a horrible, painful life, but she had the baby because of her religiion. The child lived to be 10 years old, in pain his whole life and never took a step. That is not humane.

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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
This is typical of the pro-death crowd, and they accuse us of being a bunch of mean spirited hypocrites.

Give me a break

See, I've known a women who had a child knowing that it was going to live a horrible, painful life, but she had the baby because of her religiion. The child lived to be 10 years old, in pain his whole life and never took a step. That is not humane.

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WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE! My grandfather was well into his 80's, and was racked with pain from severe rheumatoid arthritis and heart disease, yet he continued to want to live right up until his last moments on this earth. I guess by your standards, the right thing to do would have been kill him by pouring acid on him while he was still in his 70's to prevent his pain later in life. Maybe we should have gotten out the ol' shop vac, and watched his head collapse. WHAT FUN!

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:

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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
This is typical of the pro-death crowd, and they accuse us of being a bunch of mean spirited hypocrites.

Give me a break

See, I've known a women who had a child knowing that it was going to live a horrible, painful life, but she had the baby because of her religiion. The child lived to be 10 years old, in pain his whole life and never took a step. That is not humane.

W

WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE! My grandfather was well into his 80's, and was racked with pain from severe rheumatoid arthritis and heart disease, yet he continued to want to live right up until his last moments on this earth. I guess by your standards, the right thing to do would have been kill him by pouring acid on him while he was still in his 70's to prevent his pain later in life. Maybe we should have gotten out the ol' shop vac, and watched his head collapse. WHAT FUN!

You're right. It isn't for me to decide. I think it is the woman's right to decide. Why should it be your right to decide?

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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
This is typical of the pro-death crowd, and they accuse us of being a bunch of mean spirited hypocrites.

Give me a break

See, I've known a women who had a child knowing that it was going to live a horrible, painful life, but she had the baby because of her religiion. The child lived to be 10 years old, in pain his whole life and never took a step. That is not humane.

I know of a whole bunch of seniors who are in this same shape and in great pain do you agree that they be put to sleep or terminated? Actually you answered your question but this is the debate and you wait it will not be long in this country before we start with the seniors because guess what they will cost us too much. America's future looks even dimmer.

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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:

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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
This is typical of the pro-death crowd, and they accuse us of being a bunch of mean spirited hypocrites.

Give me a break

See, I've known a women who had a child knowing that it was going to live a horrible, painful life, but she had the baby because of her religiion. The child lived to be 10 years old, in pain his whole life and never took a step. That is not humane.

W

WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE! My grandfather was well into his 80's, and was racked with pain from severe rheumatoid arthritis and heart disease, yet he continued to want to live right up until his last moments on this earth. I guess by your standards, the right thing to do would have been kill him by pouring acid on him while he was still in his 70's to prevent his pain later in life. Maybe we should have gotten out the ol' shop vac, and watched his head collapse. WHAT FUN!

You're right. It isn't for me to decide. I think it is the woman's right to decide. Why should it be your right to decide?

Why not let the person who's life you wish to terminate decide?

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Originally posted by ngt2293:
You got to be kidding, Dr. Tiller's speciality was late term abortions and yes there are plenty of women who decide to terminate their babies life at 8 and 9 months. It's called convience and most of the time the mother's health is not in jeopardy. For some of these women they deny they are pregnant or teenagers who do not want their parents to know until ooops I have a eight month old baby living inside of me lets see my mental state will be effected so how can I abort this "thing".

Late term abortions are heavily regulated,rare and are most often performed to PROTECT THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER! It is not your job to determine who should have abortions unless you are a physician qualified to make such a call. The lives of women have value too. How on EARTH can a parent be unaware of a daughter in the 8th month of her pregnancy? Explain that one. I swear, you are starting to sound crazier and crazier. Do you have violent tendencies?

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:

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Originally posted by ngt2293:
You got to be kidding, Dr. Tiller's speciality was late term abortions and yes there are plenty of women who decide to terminate their babies life at 8 and 9 months. It's called convience and most of the time the mother's health is not in jeopardy. For some of these women they deny they are pregnant or teenagers who do not want their parents to know until ooops I have a eight month old baby living inside of me lets see my mental state will be effected so how can I abort this "thing".

Late term abortions are heavily regulated,rare and are most often performed to PROTECT THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER! It is not your job to determine who should have abortions unless you are a physician qualified to make such a call. The lives of women have value too. How on EARTH can a parent be unaware of a daughter in the 8th month of her pregnancy? Explain that one. I swear, you are starting to sound crazier and crazier. Do you have violent tendencies?

Regulated? Undoubtedly you haven't read Tillers web page.

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:

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Originally posted by ngt2293:
You got to be kidding, Dr. Tiller's speciality was late term abortions and yes there are plenty of women who decide to terminate their babies life at 8 and 9 months. It's called convience and most of the time the mother's health is not in jeopardy. For some of these women they deny they are pregnant or teenagers who do not want their parents to know until ooops I have a eight month old baby living inside of me lets see my mental state will be effected so how can I abort this "thing".

Late term abortions are heavily regulated,rare and are most often performed to PROTECT THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER! It is not your job to determine who should have abortions unless you are a physician qualified to make such a call. The lives of women have value too. How on EARTH can a parent be unaware of a daughter in the 8th month of her pregnancy? Explain that one. I swear, you are starting to sound crazier and crazier. Do you have violent tendencies?

Still throwing out the old liberal standby, life(health) of the mother when we all know that abortions to save a mother's life are extremely rare. They get those late term abortions because they've changed their minds about having a baby.

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:

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Originally posted by ngt2293:
You got to be kidding, Dr. Tiller's speciality was late term abortions and yes there are plenty of women who decide to terminate their babies life at 8 and 9 months. It's called convience and most of the time the mother's health is not in jeopardy. For some of these women they deny they are pregnant or teenagers who do not want their parents to know until ooops I have a eight month old baby living inside of me lets see my mental state will be effected so how can I abort this "thing".

Late term abortions are heavily regulated,rare and are most often performed to PROTECT THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER! It is not your job to determine who should have abortions unless you are a physician qualified to make such a call. The lives of women have value too. How on EARTH can a parent be unaware of a daughter in the 8th month of her pregnancy? Explain that one. I swear, you are starting to sound crazier and crazier. Do you have violent tendencies?

Still throwing out the old liberal standby, life(health) of the mother when we all know that abortions to save a mother's life are extremely rare. They get those late term abortions because they've changed their minds about having a baby.

Let me get this right. You want to eliminate late term abortions entirely even in rare cases and allow women to die? Really? If either of MY daughters lives were in danger, I would want them to have the option to live. Sorry. Maybe if you had kids? I mean, I love my daughters. Kperk, you need to prove that women ONLY have late term abortions because "they changed their minds". Saying it does not make it true.

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Originally posted by Kane Kounty Ken:

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:

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Originally posted by ngt2293:
You got to be kidding, Dr. Tiller's speciality was late term abortions and yes there are plenty of women who decide to terminate their babies life at 8 and 9 months. It's called convience and most of the time the mother's health is not in jeopardy. For some of these women they deny they are pregnant or teenagers who do not want their parents to know until ooops I have a eight month old baby living inside of me lets see my mental state will be effected so how can I abort this "thing".

Late term abortions are heavily regulated,rare and are most often performed to PROTECT THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER! It is not your job to determine who should have abortions unless you are a physician qualified to make such a call. The lives of women have value too. How on EARTH can a parent be unaware of a daughter in the 8th month of her pregnancy? Explain that one. I swear, you are starting to sound crazier and crazier. Do you have violent tendencies?

Regulated? Undoubtedly you haven't read Tillers web page.

Don't you have a gun to clean? Dog to kick?

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:

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Originally posted by ngt2293:
You got to be kidding, Dr. Tiller's speciality was late term abortions and yes there are plenty of women who decide to terminate their babies life at 8 and 9 months. It's called convience and most of the time the mother's health is not in jeopardy. For some of these women they deny they are pregnant or teenagers who do not want their parents to know until ooops I have a eight month old baby living inside of me lets see my mental state will be effected so how can I abort this "thing".

Late term abortions are heavily regulated,rare and are most often performed to PROTECT THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER! It is not your job to determine who should have abortions unless you are a physician qualified to make such a call. The lives of women have value too. How on EARTH can a parent be unaware of a daughter in the 8th month of her pregnancy? Explain that one. I swear, you are starting to sound crazier and crazier. Do you have violent tendencies?

Still throwing out the old liberal standby, life(health) of the mother when we all know that abortions to save a mother's life are extremely rare. They get those late term abortions because they've changed their minds about having a baby.

Let me get this right. You want to eliminate late term abortions entirely even in rare cases and allow women to die? Really? If either of MY daughters lives were in danger, I would want them to have the option to live. Sorry. Maybe if you had kids? I mean, I love my daughters. Kperk, you need to prove that women ONLY have late term abortions because "they changed their minds". Saying it does not make it true.

Tell me this. How many women do you know who've had an abortion to save their lives? I know of none. I know it happens occasionally out of the 50 million or so abortions but it's rare.

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by meanasasnake:

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Originally posted by ngt2293:
You got to be kidding, Dr. Tiller's speciality was late term abortions and yes there are plenty of women who decide to terminate their babies life at 8 and 9 months. It's called convience and most of the time the mother's health is not in jeopardy. For some of these women they deny they are pregnant or teenagers who do not want their parents to know until ooops I have a eight month old baby living inside of me lets see my mental state will be effected so how can I abort this "thing".

Late term abortions are heavily regulated,rare and are most often performed to PROTECT THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER! It is not your job to determine who should have abortions unless you are a physician qualified to make such a call. The lives of women have value too. How on EARTH can a parent be unaware of a daughter in the 8th month of her pregnancy? Explain that one. I swear, you are starting to sound crazier and crazier. Do you have violent tendencies?

Still throwing out the old liberal standby, life(health) of the mother when we all know that abortions to save a mother's life are extremely rare. They get those late term abortions because they've changed their minds about having a baby.

Let me get this right. You want to eliminate late term abortions entirely even in rare cases and allow women to die? Really? If either of MY daughters lives were in danger, I would want them to have the option to live. Sorry. Maybe if you had kids? I mean, I love my daughters. Kperk, you need to prove that women ONLY have late term abortions because "they changed their minds". Saying it does not make it true.

Snake, let me repeat. LTA's are not used to save a mother's life. Sorry to disappoint. I know how much pro-death people really desire to kill babies, and need all the excuses they can come up with, but that one just aint so.

I will tell you this that if my wife was going to lose her life if she gave birth to a child I would hateto lose her , but im 100% sure she qould chose death.

The question is do you beleive that life begins at conception or at birth can everyone answer that

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Originally posted by unaalum59:
I will tell you this that if my wife was going to lose her life if she gave birth to a child I would hateto lose her , but im 100% sure she qould chose death.

The question is do you beleive that life begins at conception or at birth can everyone answer that

I can't answer that question, and neither can anyone else. For that reason I "choose" to err on the side of life. I am willing to concede an exception for a mother's life, but these are rare, and are never the reason for a LTA.

hmmmm, lets see here, when a woman kills her child she isn't charged, but when someone murders a pregnant woman they are charged with 2 murders...go figure.

Rampant, rabid emotionalism. Baby murdering, for Christ's sake!
LTAs ARE, like Meanie said, specifically for the health of the mother. Do women lie? Yes. Do doctors cheat? Yes.
There are some defects that only show up in the last half of the third trimester. A baby with anencephaly, for example, would die in short order anyway. Would the health of the mother be harmed or enhanced by a birth and a few breaths before death? If an LTA were performed to terminate this pregnancy, would it protect the health of the mother?
Fortunately, I don't have to make the call. Those of you who are so dogmatic about this subject perhaps care more about the concept of birth and abortion than you seem to be about the practical applications.
This needs to be a choice between the people most intimately familiar with it. Personally, if MY wife were pregnant and continuing with the pregnancy would kill her, I'd probably force a doctor at gunpoint to perform an abortion if she didn't choose for herself. And then I'd accept my punishment, whatever it may be.

Personally I don't think I would choose abortion, but I also dont' think it is my right to make the decision for someone else. But let me state that I love my wife before any other human being, including my children. I love my children dearly. But it all began with my wife who is the love of my life. She is, has been, and always will be my only wife. If the question was between her and an unborn baby I would have to choose her. But it is MY choice. I am blessed that I never faced the choice of my wife or child's life. But we did have children and we never considered abortion. Let me repeat, I would never dictate to another person whether or not they could have an abortion. I will never support the government making that decision between my wife and her child.

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Originally posted by AlabamaSon:
Personally I don't think I would choose abortion, but I also dont' think it is my right to make the decision for someone else. But let me state that I love my wife before any other human being, including my children. I love my children dearly. But it all began with my wife who is the love of my life. She is, has been, and always will be my only wife. If the question was between her and an unborn baby I would have to choose her. But it is MY choice. I am blessed that I never faced the choice of my wife or child's life. But we did have children and we never considered abortion. Let me repeat, I would never dictate to another person whether or not they could have an abortion. I will never support the government making that decision between my wife and her child.

A very good post.

Exactly what part of partial birth abortions are not used to save the life of a mother. do ya'll not understand??? Clinically, there is not a reason to undergo a LTA to save the life of a mother. A c-section which saves the life of both does the trick nicely. As for partial birth- the child is already born. How can killing it save the mother???

Here it from one who actually experienced it:

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William Turner says:

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If the question was between her and an unborn baby I would have to choose her. But it is MY choice. I am blessed that I never faced the choice of my wife or child's life.

But, Mr. Turner, according to the pro-abortion crowd, it is NOT your choice. It is the choice of the woman only and her doctor. You, as a man and father of said child, have absolutely no say so in the matter. Or at least that's what I've heard them say.

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
Exactly what part of partial birth abortions are not used to save the life of a mother. do ya'll not understand??? Clinically, there is not a reason to undergo a LTA to save the life of a mother. A c-section which saves the life of both does the trick nicely. As for partial birth- the child is already born. How can killing it save the mother???

This really is the debate. The child is already 95% born except for the head and as long as the head is still in the birth canal it's okay to kill the baby. WOW is it really that difficult to understand or has the liberal press made AMERICA stupid? Dr. Tiller was a murderer it’s a fact but a legal murderer and now he has to face his deeds legal or not.

What we do to terrorist is a slap on the face compared to killing babies and the torture they receive from these killer doctors. But hey everyone has a choice how to live their life and then afterwards to face judgment.

The American Medical Association (AMA) does not recognize the partial-birth abortion procedure. In fact, the AMA officially endorsed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act in Congress.

Contrary to what the proponents of partial-birth abortion are saying, this procedure is never medically necessary to save the life or future fertility of the mother. In 1996, a group of physicians, mostly experts in the fields of obstetrics, gynecology and pediatrics, were outraged over the false stories being spread by the national media and pro-abortion groups. They banned together to form Physicians' Ad Hoc Coalition for Truth (PHACT). PHACT now consists of more than 600 medical specialists including former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. These doctors came together to get the message to the American people that partial-birth abortions are never medically necessary to save the life of the mother or her future fertility. (Under the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, a mother can still have a partial-birth abortion if her life is in jeopardy.)

Dr. James McMahon, a Los Angeles abortionist and inventor of the partial-birth abortion procedure, developed the procedure to meet the demands of women who wanted an abortion late into their pregnancies. The often used dilation and evacuation abortions or "D and E", used from 10 - 18 weeks, in which the fetus is torn limb-from limb inside the womb, carries a high risk of perforation and tearing of the uterus. This can result in severe hemorrhaging and even death. Before his death last year, Dr. McMahon testified he had performed over 1,000 partial-birth abortions.

Supporters of the procedure argue that only in rare cases of great fetal abnormality or threats to the mother's life, are partial-birth abortions performed. During the debates on Capitol Hill, the lie was exposed. Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers had argued that partial-birth abortions were extremely rare and used only in dire situations. Now he says his remarks were only a deception to protect the abortion industry. "I lied though my teeth," Fitzsimmons said. He now says the numbers are more in the 5,000 per year range, and "they are primarily done on healthy fetuses of healthy women." (Many believe that his estimate is still quite conservative.)

Partial-birth abortion has nothing to do with the health of a mother. It has everything to do with politics and greed. The abortion industry has always lobbied intensively against any legislation restricting any type of abortion procedure. But they are now caught having to defend a procedure that is clearly infanticide. Congress certainly has the legal right to restrict this type of abortion, even under the Roe V. Wade decision.

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Originally posted by KissedGrits:
William Turner says:

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If the question was between her and an unborn baby I would have to choose her. But it is MY choice. I am blessed that I never faced the choice of my wife or child's life.

But, Mr. Turner, according to the pro-abortion crowd, it is NOT your choice. It is the choice of the woman only and her doctor. You, as a man and father of said child, have absolutely no say so in the matter. Or at least that's what I've heard them say.

Mr. Turner didn't say that. I did. You need to settle down and get your facts about what I said straight. (1) The choice belongs to the woman as you can see I stated. (2) The assumption of me making the decision is, as the next of kin, I would be left to make the decision when my wife is unable. (3) I would not involve the doctor in my decisions.

I also make the point of my relationship with my wife. We talked about everything before marriage including money, kids, religion, and abortion. We have been together nearly 25 years and I sure don't see it changing any time soon. We are comfortable with our beliefs and with each other. I shudder at the number of people I see judging other people and yet need to examine their own life first.

Let's get farther down into semantics. We know "Pro Life" implies that everyone else is totally in favor of death. The other side wants the choice to abort to be available...sort of a "free will" thing. The "wholesale slaughter of innocent babies" thing is really a great appeal to emotion. One imagines dumptruck loads of infant corpses trundling off from the back of an abortion clinic.

While some abortions are "of convenience" and there are likely women who prefer abortion as a form of birth control for whatever reason, I would expect that the decision to have an abortion is a terrible one with which to be faced. As it appears that the only alternatives to abortion; i.e., carry a child full term or don't engage in sexual activity, are unlikely, I assume we'll have to accept abortion as something that won't go away.

If any of you have any alternatives to abortion that don't involve the two I've listed, I'm sure the world would be willing to give them a shot.

And one more thing...while all partial birth abortions are late term abortions, not all late term abortions are partial birth abortions. Perhaps you could try to keep that straight in your postings.

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
Let's get farther down into semantics. We know "Pro Life" implies that everyone else is totally in favor of death. The other side wants the choice to abort to be available...sort of a "free will" thing. The "wholesale slaughter of innocent babies" thing is really a great appeal to emotion. One imagines dumptruck loads of infant corpses trundling off from the back of an abortion clinic.

While some abortions are "of convenience" and there are likely women who prefer abortion as a form of birth control for whatever reason, I would expect that the decision to have an abortion is a terrible one with which to be faced. As it appears that the only alternatives to abortion; i.e., carry a child full term or don't engage in sexual activity, are unlikely, I assume we'll have to accept abortion as something that won't go away.

If any of you have any alternatives to abortion that don't involve the two I've listed, I'm sure the world would be willing to give them a shot.

And one more thing...while all partial birth abortions are late term abortions, not all late term abortions are partial birth abortions. Perhaps you could try to keep that straight in your postings.

I've got a few. Teach comprehensive prevention. Give out free condoms and birth control. Teach people the alternatives to vaginal intercourse.

Teach comprehensive prevention...generally opposed by religious fundamentalism; failed.
Free condoms and birth control...in progress now, failing.
Alternatives to vaginal intercourse...I probably shouldn't go there. I mean...

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
Teach comprehensive prevention...generally opposed by religious fundamentalism; failed.
Free condoms and birth control...in progress now, failing.
Alternatives to vaginal intercourse...I probably shouldn't go there. I mean...

Hey, I'm with you on this. I'm pro-choice. In fact, I think that when kids get pregnant, they should be encouraged to get an abortion. I was just saying that these ways would help prevent some pregnancies.

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Originally posted by Zombie 9tails:

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
Let's get farther down into semantics. We know "Pro Life" implies that everyone else is totally in favor of death. The other side wants the choice to abort to be available...sort of a "free will" thing. The "wholesale slaughter of innocent babies" thing is really a great appeal to emotion. One imagines dumptruck loads of infant corpses trundling off from the back of an abortion clinic.

While some abortions are "of convenience" and there are likely women who prefer abortion as a form of birth control for whatever reason, I would expect that the decision to have an abortion is a terrible one with which to be faced. As it appears that the only alternatives to abortion; i.e., carry a child full term or don't engage in sexual activity, are unlikely, I assume we'll have to accept abortion as something that won't go away.

If any of you have any alternatives to abortion that don't involve the two I've listed, I'm sure the world would be willing to give them a shot.

And one more thing...while all partial birth abortions are late term abortions, not all late term abortions are partial birth abortions. Perhaps you could try to keep that straight in your postings.

I've got a few. Teach comprehensive prevention. Give out free condoms and birth control. Teach people the alternatives to vaginal intercourse.

alternatives to vaginal intercourse.

Ummmmm I have been wanting to have a discussion on the forums about this subject. I have a teenage daughter and my Gyno told me something recently that has me concerned as a parent and I would really like to hear the opinion of some of you here, however I don't know if I can. If it is a medical/sexual/somewhat taboo subject can we have those discussions anywhere here? Am I making sense!?!?1 I don't want to post something that gets me banned.

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
Teach comprehensive prevention...generally opposed by religious fundamentalism; failed.
Free condoms and birth control...in progress now, failing.
Alternatives to vaginal intercourse...I probably shouldn't go there. I mean...

Ahhh Bill Clinton's definition-it depends on what "is" "is"

Hey, I'm with you on this. I'm pro-choice. In fact, I think that when kids get pregnant, they should be encouraged to get an abortion. I was just saying that these ways would help prevent some pregnancies.[/QUOTE]

Have you ever talked to a child/woman who has had an abortion? Do you know the emotional scarring that lasts sometimes a lifetime because of them? You say when kids get pregnant they should be encouraged to get an abortion.... You would

Zoombie too bad you weren't around to "encourage" YOUR mother.

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
Let's get farther down into semantics. We know "Pro Life" implies that everyone else is totally in favor of death. The other side wants the choice to abort to be available...sort of a "free will" thing. The "wholesale slaughter of innocent babies" thing is really a great appeal to emotion. One imagines dumptruck loads of infant corpses trundling off from the back of an abortion clinic.

And one more thing...while all partial birth abortions are late term abortions, not all late term abortions are partial birth abortions. Perhaps you could try to keep that straight in your postings.

True. Dr. Tiller also used a drug inserted into an 8 lb baby girl or boy which would stop their heart. The mother would go home and three days later come back and deliver a dead baby which was thrown into a trash can. What amazes me more are the women nurses who watch this day and night and just walk away.

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
I don't want to post something that gets me banned.

I wouldn't think it would get you banned if you use appropriate terminology to describe body parts and acts.

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Originally posted by AlabamaSon:

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Originally posted by KissedGrits:
William Turner says:

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If the question was between her and an unborn baby I would have to choose her. But it is MY choice. I am blessed that I never faced the choice of my wife or child's life.

But, Mr. Turner, according to the pro-abortion
crowd, it is NOT your choice. It is the choice of the woman only and her doctor. You, as a man and father of said child, have absolutely no say so in the matter. Or at least that's what I've heard them say.

Mr. Turner didn't say that. I did. You need to settle down and get your facts about what I said straight. (1) The choice belongs to the woman as you can see I stated. (2) The assumption of me making the decision is, as the next of kin, I would be left to make the decision when my wife is unable. (3) I would not involve the doctor in my decisions.

I also make the point of my relationship with my wife. We talked about everything before marriage including money, kids, religion, and abortion. We have been together nearly 25 years and I sure don't see it changing any time soon. We are comfortable with our beliefs and with each other. I shudder at the number of people I see judging other people and yet need to examine their own life first.

I do apologize to Mr. Turner for getting him mixed up with you.

While you shudder at the number of people who judge others, you put yourself right there amongst them when you say they need to examine their own lives. Perhaps you don't realize that other people have examined their lives and have reached the conclusion that they are just as content and happy with their spouses and families as you are with yours even though they disagree with what you have to say.