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Trail of Tears Ride

GuffawGuffawOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Moved on Years Ago:
Thanks, Go Fish you proved my point!!!
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Not one, not two, but THREE exclamation points! You must REALLY mean that.

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Seems you found a place with other folks just like you.... shallow and narrow minded.


I'm glad you found your niche with the liberal, deep thinkers that populate the Carolinas. Seems we are both winners.
D DEENALYNNEHall of Famer
I really got excited a few years ago when I heard the ride would stop at McFarland. I was hopeful that would be the trend and that the people like our family would be spared the weekend of trash rolling in. My kids hate it. They try to be somewhere else when it comes in. I live here and if I walked the street with a beer I'd get taken to jail but let a biker roll in from who knows where and whatever they want to do goes. Are we really this desperate for tourism? I wish we had some real tourist attractions here. But not loud bikes running up and down residential streets all night long for 14 days.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
DEENALYNNE, have you discussed your concerns and dissatisfaction with the politicians of Waterloo???

I heard someone from FLORENCE the other day saying that they lived close, and LOVED watching the bikers, and looked forward to it every year.

The VAST VAST majority of bikers that do what YOU are saying they do have to be local, because most have to get back to work, and/or went on to Oklahoma.

Maybe something CAN be done with the local bikers, but if they are legally camping, then you may just have to deal with it. Sorry about your loss of sleep, but I think TOT is a GREAT thing.
D DEENALYNNEHall of Famer
have you discussed your concerns and dissatisfaction with the politicians of Waterloo???

I heard someone from FLORENCE the other day saying that they lived close, and LOVED watching the bikers, and looked forward to it every year.

The VAST VAST majority of bikers that do what YOU are saying they do have to be local, because most have to get back to work, and/or went on to Oklahoma.

Maybe something CAN be done with the local bikers, but if they are legally camping, then you may just have to deal with it. Sorry about your loss of sleep, but I think TOT is a GREAT thing.[/quote]
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I heard someone from FLORENCE the other day saying that they lived close, and LOVED watching the bikers, and looked forward to it every year.

The VAST VAST majority of bikers that do what YOU are saying they do have to be local, because most have to get back to work, and/or went on to Oklahoma.

Maybe something CAN be done with the local bikers, but if they are legally camping, then you may just have to deal with it. Sorry about your loss of sleep, but I think TOT is a GREAT thing.




It has been my experience that Waterloo politicians and everyone else involved with this mess just simply do not care about the local residents. We have NO say at all in the invasion we face every year. We just have to leave for the week if we want any peace. Everyone doesn't think this is a great idea.
E eHall of Famer
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Originally posted by DEENALYNNE:
Why is all this attention on the bikers? I thought the Trail of Tears was supposed to be about the indians??? I have an idea. Why don't the participants walk or ride horses? Be more authentic doncha think? And a lot quieter!!


"Be more authentic"? Great idea. Mind if I just shoot an arrow at you when you get all high-strung, telling me where I should and should not go on my bike? Wink
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by e:
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Originally posted by DEENALYNNE:
Why is all this attention on the bikers? I thought the Trail of Tears was supposed to be about the indians??? I have an idea. Why don't the participants walk or ride horses? Be more authentic doncha think? And a lot quieter!!


"Be more authentic"? Great idea. Mind if I just shoot an arrow at you when you get all high-strung, telling me where I should and should not go on my bike? Wink


Authentic, wow, these days???? Now a WALK like that would take weeks, and I don't think people can take that sort of time off work. UNREALISTIC!!!

Just the fact that people of ALL walks of life participates a commemoration for the Indians is just AMAZING to me!!!!

I hate that the one biker did the hit and run on FV, that makes me sad, but the majority of the thousands who participate in this ride has their heart in the right place.

Please don't judge them!!!
Tidefan-N-NCTidefan-N-NCSmall Talker
I said nothing about NC not having rednecks....hello home of NASCAR!!! My point was FN(and those that jumped on the band wagon) was trashing the ride and all bikers as being trashy and thugs because they choose to ride motorcycles, because of one stupid person who happen to ride a motorcycle.
Just because GF seems to be shallow and narrow minded doesn't mean that I think everyone is.
U uandurineOld Faithful
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It has been my experience that Waterloo politicians and everyone else involved with this mess just simply do not care about the local residents. We have NO say at all in the invasion we face every year. We just have to leave for the week if we want any peace. Everyone doesn't think this is a great idea.


Whoops, I'm sorry, I thought we were doing a good thing; bringing attention to the original Trail of Tears, raising funds for scholarships, and helping out the local economy. It seems that a lot of people on this forum don't think the ride is a good thing. I'm sure that if enough people here think that way, it'll go away.
D DixieChikOld Faithful
Sorry this post will be very sarcastic, but let's get real here.

DeenaLynne -- I can refer you to a physician who can give you a chill pill. This event does commemorate the right thing and the majority of the bikers are not here for a week partying. I visited friends that have a place in Waterloo and you seem to have blown this out of proportion as others have as well.

There are more good things about this ride coming through florence and ending in Waterloo than there are bad. And even if you demanded the ride stop in McFarland -- do you actually think you can keep the riders from going on to waterloo later on?

I'll be glad to give you that doc's name or maybe you and your family could go visit some friends that live in Florence or get a hotel away from Waterloo or go take your vacation somewhere else the week of the event. If you hate it so bad -- work it out where you don't have to be there while it is going on. Unless a majority (which I doubt very seriously from what I'm told) of Waterloo complain and ask that the riders NOT come to Waterloo every year then you are pretty much stuck.

This is still a free country and if the riders want to camp out in WAterloo that is their right so long as there is space available. You can't keep them out --- you can't put up barricades or whatever or have them kicked out by the cops. So it is what it is....
D DavidMichMember
Maybe I'm wrong here but wasn't Waterloo the reason the ride was split up? Weren't they complaining about traffic and weren't bootleggers pocketing money made off bootleg merchandise?
Maybe I'm wrong.

You are wrong and I would like to know where you got your info. Waterloo is where the Trail ended and the Cherokee got on bouts bound for OK. Florence and other towns want to cash in on the the Trail. As far as bootlegg stuff check your local walmart for any trail of tears stuff? Hum hope this makes you think about your info.
unclegusunclegusOld Faithful
I have an opinion here concerning the motorcycle ride and the native Americans.
It has been well known for many years that bikers have held a fondness for the Native Americans. Just as some has in their head and insists that bikers are trash and outcasts, the same way the Native Americans was in their time. We Europeans came and made this land our own, the problem was that this land was already taken.
Some of the natives who was here found ways to permit we invaders to share the land with them. Some, after being lied to and done wrong, did not adapt so well with the new inhabitants .
Well the invaders decided after a while, that there was not enough room for the both cultures to co-exist. The natives was different, they lived differently and the invaders could not accept the natives ways, and since they had the most power, they got what they wished. (does any of this sound simmalar to what is happening in the world today? )
Bikers have been considered outcasts because of the way a few of them acted, They have achieved a free spirit akin to the same way the Native Americans did, and many times over, the bikers relate to the Natives very affectionately.
It is only proper that bikers comemerate their respect for the ones who paid the true price for the free spirit that is much alive today in the American biker. There is way more to it than just a ride on a motorcycle to these people.
O OriginalBamaHall of Famer
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Originally posted by unclegus:
I have an opinion here concerning the motorcycle ride and the native Americans.
It has been well known for many years that bikers have held a fondness for the Native Americans. Just as some has in their head and insists that bikers are trash and outcasts, the same way the Native Americans was in their time. We Europeans came and made this land our own, the problem was that this land was already taken.
Some of the natives who was here found ways to permit we invaders to share the land with them. Some, after being lied to and done wrong, did not adapt so well with the new inhabitants .
Well the invaders decided after a while, that there was not enough room for the both cultures to co-exist. The natives was different, they lived differently and the invaders could not accept the natives ways, and since they had the most power, they got what they wished. (does any of this sound simmalar to what is happening in the world today? )
Bikers have been considered outcasts because of the way a few of them acted, They have achieved a free spirit akin to the same way the Native Americans did, and many times over, the bikers relate to the Natives very affectionately.
It is only proper that bikers comemerate their respect for the ones who paid the true price for the free spirit that is much alive today in the American biker. There is way more to it than just a ride on a motorcycle to these people.
TY O Keeper of the Keg,... nice post..... I wont comment on the post after yours...
GuffawGuffawOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Tidefan-N-NC:
was trashing the ride and all bikers as being trashy and thugs because they choose to ride motorcycles, because of one stupid person who happen to ride a motorcycle.
Just because GF seems to be shallow and narrow minded doesn't mean that I think everyone is.


Whoah, dude. I'm a huge ToT supporter. I love it, what it commemorates (some of my ancestors were Cherokee) and believe most all the bikers are good folks and usually middle aged dudes looking for an excuse to buy a 'cycle.

I just don't' care for out of towners bashing my beautiful home town. So, this sentiment is directed only at you and no one else in the biker community: Suck one.
Tidefan-N-NCTidefan-N-NCSmall Talker
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Originally posted by GoFish:

I just don't' care for out of towners bashing my beautiful home town. So, this sentiment is directed only at you and no one else in the biker community: Suck one.


GF - Thanks for continuing to display your mastery of the English language. As to your comments about out of towners, like most other things your shallow narrow mind has come up with that's also incorrect. I grew in MS and still own a home there.

"suck one" is there some latent homosexual feeling you have??
B Born-in-64Member
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DavidOMillie -- you are partially correct with regards to the complaints about the licensed merchandise etc., but it WASN'T WATERLOO.

Part of the TOT board is who complained about that and demanded the ride stop in McFArland instead.

It wasn't Waterloo, but it was BECAUSE of Waterloo. The officials there would not try to control the sale of unlicensed merchandise, which of course meant less money went to the scholarship fund. The board split as a result, and the group that now supports the Waterloo site has sued the other board. The board that supports the McFarland site is headed by ride originator Bill Cason.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Tidefan-N-NC:
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Originally posted by GoFish:

I just don't' care for out of towners bashing my beautiful home town. So, this sentiment is directed only at you and no one else in the biker community: Suck one.


GF - Thanks for continuing to display your mastery of the English language. As to your comments about out of towners, like most other things your shallow narrow mind has come up with that's also incorrect. I grew in MS and still own a home there.

"suck one" is there some latent homosexual feeling you have??


Doesn't sound like any latent tendacy to me, he told YOU to do it, not himself, lol!!!!
D DavidMichMember
Dixie I have been on the committee for a few years. I am the Chaplain for the offical Trail of Tears and I live in waterloo. I know from experience what happened to the anoriginal group and the split. Eloise Josey from the AL Indian Affairs Commission sent out a press release that can be read on our web site saying that the Drane-Hood route of the Cherokee indians went from chatt. to waterloo and that is the only route recognized by AL indian affairs. You can call them at 242-2831 and ask them if you wont take my word for it.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by DavidMich:
Dixie I have been on the committee for a few years. I am the Chaplain for the offical Trail of Tears and I live in waterloo. I know from experience what happened to the anoriginal group and the split. Eloise Josey from the AL Indian Affairs Commission sent out a press release that can be read on our web site saying that the Drane-Hood route of the Cherokee indians went from chatt. to waterloo and that is the only route recognized by AL indian affairs. You can call them at 242-2831 and ask them if you wont take my word for it.



Thanks for posting the number. I think that there has been so much confusion generated in this last year that everyone NEEDS to have a voice, not just Florence.

The thing is, Florence just plays a tiny role in it all. There are people from all cities in this area that have specials for TOT, and who participates.

Clarifying is a good thing!!!
GTO4everGTO4everHall of Famer
Some of the negative things said here breaks my heart. I wouldnot ever make fun of a very nice group of people that shows so very much respect for our Native Americans. There are a few bad apples among them I am sure just like with any group but there are some big money people that ride the ride including a few around here. And another thing Florence was wrong in thier play for the dough on this one everbody saw though them
V vick13Old Faithful
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Originally posted by GoFish:

I just don't' care for out of towners bashing my beautiful home town. So, this sentiment is directed only at you and no one else in the biker community: Suck one.

And if Gofish was coming out of the closet and directing his latent feelings toward you, you should be flattered and grateful. We love him.

GF - Thanks for continuing to display your mastery of the English language. As to your comments about out of towners, like most other things your shallow narrow mind has come up with that's also incorrect. I grew in MS and still own a home there.

"suck one" is there some latent homosexual feeling you have??
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