nah.. look closer. most of GBrK's post are littered with things like ' i believe' and ' it's my belief', and the like. he explains his position, his thoughts on something. i've never seen gbrk post something written in a way that makes you think he's speaking the truth, the whole truth and nothing but hte truth because he is the sole propriator of the truth, and if you think anything different form his views, then you are wrong and hellbound - you know, like bill does.

gbrk is an absoloutly convinced believer, but i can respect his posts because he writes things ' as he sees it' not from some elevated infailable position as the holder of god's laws.

i don't always agree with his words, but i very much respect how he weilds them

No, No , No, Jenn. If you read closely, you hear love in gbrk comments. Something you NEVER hear in Bill's.

I second that.

Uh, Oh! I do believe he just busted himself.....right in the bal.......uh, chops. 

My guess is that you're kinda warm yourself.

Oh, so you get busted for your rude, nasty comment & the attitude changes.......just like a

hypocrite.

I am so used to my name and Windsongs always being lumed together, that I guess

I thought it was me. I even went back thinking you were pulling a joke and OOPs.

Sorry I shouldn't be so defensive and read a little more carefully. Please let's not

go thru the name thing again. Thanks in advance.

Skippy

ONO, please reconsider. I need you here!!!! Most often you are the only voice of reason.!!!!!!

Nah, dude.

I don't care how many times ya call that chicken Bessie now-She ain't gonna give ya no milk.

Give it up. Yer busted.

WS/Skippy I don't think we need Columbo for this one.

"I am so used to my name and Windsongs always being lumed together, that I guess

I thought it was me. I even went back thinking you were pulling a joke and OOPs.

Sorry I shouldn't be so defensive and read a little more carefully. Please let's not

go thru the name thing again. Thanks in advance."

Skippy

Do you actually think people here are this stupid?

My 4 year old Grandson could have cobbled up a better "explanation" than that.

Credibility - Shot to sh*t...

Long and full of bible quotes.

What about meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee? I'm reasonable.

Well Cage I guess you can believe whatever you want. I know who am and I got to

quit trying to defend who I am. It's wasteing to much time. I don't think I've ever seen

Windsong on the Political forum. Because I believe in Freedom, I will continue to be

posting on the Political side. And as lame as that excuse sounds, it's the truth, stupid

but true.

Skippy

What about meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee? I'm reasonable.

I don't really know who you are at the moment....

Actually most of my responses, throughout my time on the forum have been long.  Not that I plan it that way but I just try to be as complete as possible.  I have made some efforts to reduce the length of them but I'm not the best at doing that.  I try not to be cognizant that the longer the post the more laborious it is for the readers to read.   

As for Bible verses, I try and make my points out of discussion and reason for those I realize that do not acknowledge Scripture as being the Word of God.  Realizing, though, that the forum is a Religious one and there are other believers and Christians reading I also try and post Scripture references and copy and paste the quotation when I believe one clarifies the response or post.  I fully believe that the Word of God will not return void.   By that, I believe that God's Holy Spirit communicates to people's minds and hearts using the very words that are within Scripture.  I also try and make attempts not to overwhelm (thump) people with endless references but try and restrict my use of Scripture to what I consider the strongest cases to make or reinforce my points.

If they have been laborious to read then realize I did not intend for it to be so.

GBRK, most of us have read the bible. Most atheists know what it says and don't really care. Well I don't, I shouldn't speak for all.  I don't read the long posts full of bible verses because I wonder about a person's thoughts outside of what the bible says. It's looking like they don't have individual thoughts, or they're afraid to voice them. If I sometimes seem to have missed something it's because I didn't read the "sermon" posted. I skim to see if there is an original thought or answer to a question. It may be titled Religion Forum but it was made clear it was for all to express their beliefs or non-beliefs. I see some good questions ask by people that go unanswered or ignored because the christians have no answer. Again, all I'm saying is if I miss something you posted that is the reason.

That's a fair statement, about missing something, but one reason my post are long is that I try not to cut and past material but rather voice my own beliefs and opinions.   The included verses, where I used them, are solely there to either reinforce those opinions or show basis for them.

Regarding the questions, to Christians, that have gone unanswered, I'm unaware of the ones you are or were interested in.  If you would mention them or point me to them I'll gladly venture an answer or reply.

GBRK, to go back months and list all the unanswered questions would be to time consuming. Here's one for you though, why do "christians" pick which parts of the bible they will "follow" and toss other parts? If you followed all the instructions in the bible you would be slaying people left and right, owning slaves, and beating your children half to death.  And of course none of you want to hear anyone ask about all the contradictions in the bible. Please don't say "which contradictions" because they have been listed on this forum many times and it's embarassing to watch you guys pretend you don't know about them or try to deny they are contradictions.

from apologetics Press/Butt,Descovery

Sunrise or Earthrise?

The Bible comes from God. That means there should be no errors in it. However, some people claim that the Bible does have errors and was not written by God. They say that the Bible was written by mere human beings without God's guidance. Are these claims true?

In the past, some people believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth (a belief called geocentricity). We have learned in modern times that heliocentricity correctly describes our solar system (the Earth and other planets from our solar system revolve around the Sun). In Psalm 19:6, the Bible says that the Sun rises “from one end of heaven…to the other end.” Because of this verse, critics of the Bible claim that the writer of Psalm 19 incorrectly believed in geocentricity. We use the same kind of language today, however, when we mention “sunrise” and “sunset,” knowing full-well that the Sun does not actually rise and set. The psalms are full of poetic, figurative language not intended to be taken literally, in the same way that many poems today are not intended to be taken literally. In truth, the psalmist is using figurative, accommodative wording known as “phenomenal” language—language that is used to describe “phenomena” as people see them. He is not intending to state scientific truths about the nature of our solar system.

John 4:24 says that God is spirit. He does not have a physical body. But Exodus 31:18 says that the Ten Commandments were “written with the finger of God.” How can God have a finger without a body? Is this an error in the Bible? In this passage Moses used another type of accommodative language that is often used in the Bible known as anthropomorphism (ann-throw-poh-MORF-ism). This language is used to describe God to humans in ways that we can understand, but which is not supposed to be taken literally. We use the same kind of language when we say things like, “The hand of Rome reached all the way across the known world in its influence.” Did the Roman Empire literally have a hand that could reach? Of course not, but we still use such language figuratively. When the Bible is studied fairly, without bias, it proves to be flawless in every way.

And THAT, gbrk, is what I do appreciate.  I pretty much only pay attention to the beliefs and the opinions because-like I said once before-If I can figure out WHY people believe, I can use that information to figure out the belief itself.

I said this to BeeG the Great and Scripturously Flatulent once-and apparently he punched my ticket for me on the Eternal Disco Inferno Train.

Oh well, I tried.

As I see it there are many parts to the Bible and some parts do contain laws or actions that are to be followed based upon actions of others.  Without a specific reference it's hard to be specific for there are so many but for instance there are many sections in the Pentateuch that actually can be taken as we look at our Constitution.  The government of Israel and the tribes was established out of the very words of the Bible.  There are also parts of the Bible that are directed specifically for specific people only.  Take the specific commands regarding the Sabbath. 

Exodus 31:12-13 (NIV)
12 Then the LORD said to Moses,
13 "Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.

I will agree that many people (gentiles), Christians, teach and preach that the Sabbath rules still apply to all of God's people and they then attempt to change the day to Sunday.  This is not Biblical but many fully are convinced if they work they sin even though God's specific word is to the Jews only, the People of Israel.  Many of the laws or rules you generally refer to have specific applications for specific people at specific times.  Some of the Bible reflects historical information that is to be taught for the instruction of future generations.  There are many applications of Scripture even misapplications by well meaning people. 

Why do "christians" pick which parts of the bible they will "follow" and toss other parts?  I don't know that there is a single or correct answer to this question.  I dare to say that many Christians know very little about the Scriptures and others choose to allow another person to read the Scriptures for them.  By that I mean they go to Church and what ever the pastor or preacher says is what they accept as legitimate and factual.  They spend little to no time in personal study to prove that which is put forth to them and they run with what they hear as if it came directly from God Himself.  I won't post it but Romans 14 addresses living with, in Christian love, people who follow various and differing beliefs.  It doesn't discount that believers will misinterpret Scripture but instruct how to deal with it.   That would be my answer to that question. 

I could ask 20 Christians for the meaning to 1 scripture & they would all give me a different idea of what it means.

The bible was written by men for the people of that time. They lived "in the moment" and never gave a thought to the world thousands of years after them being one bit different than it was then.

Chicks right,

you can get many different meanings from one scripture.

My belief is it says what it says. If you need a scholar to interpret a simple scripture.

It's got to be wrong, because they define it to the meaning they want.

Skippy

Many Christians believe that Jesus spoke King James English, had blond hair, and looked a lot like Brad Pitt.  IF he existed at all, he looked more like Osama Ben Laden than the pictures in most churches.

I may not need someone to interpret a scripture but someone else may not believe it to mean what I take it to mean. We all can't be right.

I can't stay away.    

good

Glad you are back O No .

It is good to read the Bible every day.