Let's see here, Trump is supposed to fix the 8 years of the autocratic carpet bombing of the coal industry by the Soetoro administration in just two months and week! Only liberal wizards have a magic wand like that.

i wonder why republicans just can't understand that the jobs are not coming back. the coal industry has been outgrown by the energy industry. there's no coming back.

Sadly stanky can't understand that the country has moved away from coal and what is left is highly automated thus the jobs trump promised during the campaign for miners won't return regardless of deregulation.  Rationale and logic often evades the right.

MonkeysUncleByMarriage posted:

Sadly stanky can't understand that the country has moved away from coal and what is left is highly automated thus the jobs trump promised during the campaign for miners won't return regardless of deregulation.  Rationale and logic often evades the right.

Sadly liberals can't comprehend that some conservatives have a memory longer than a liberals addled mind. Ol'bama came into office promising to put coal fired plants out of commission and power companies took him seriously. It's a good thing that fracking technology provides abundant natural gas and one of Ol'bama's crony capitalists just happens to sell combined cycle gas turbine generation equipment or we could be as screwed as Germany on a cold windless winter night.

Obama’s Following Through With Promise to Bankrupt Energy Companies

http://dailysignal.com/2016/04...pt-energy-companies/

How Electricity Became a Luxury Good

Germany's agressive and reckless expansion of wind and solar power has come with a hefty pricetag for consumers, and the costs often fall disproportionately on the poor. Government advisors are calling for a completely new start.

http://www.spiegel.de/internat...energy-a-920288.html

 

 

For all you good intentioned posters, TVA started the war on coal the day Bush changed TVA from a 3 full time member board to a 9 member part time board. I was there and I saw it.

MonkeysUncleByMarriage posted:

Stanky using smoke and mirrors doesn't address the crux of the argument.  Trump promised jobs to a certain sect of workers in a field where those jobs are not coming back (a fact admitted by titans of the industry) regardless of the deregulation.  Why can you not follow along?

Trump is a mere mortal; I believe the people in coal country know that too. Eight years of total war on coal isn't going to be changed overnight and workers need to feed their families, so many of those workers have left the area. Because Ol'bama EPA rules helped push coal fired plants out of existence and lower steel production has hurt coking coal production as well, it's going to take a good bit of time for mines to hire back in areas that are losing population. More than likely people are going to be replaced by machines and the people who are left will either be too old or infirm or have gone on to other professions.

 

The EPA rules aren't even relevant here.  As stated, even deregulating the industry will change nothing.  Not because of the environmental rules, but because of AUTOMATION, they have already been replaced by machines.  

As the WSJ and Coal Industry Titans have expressed, the jobs just aren't coming back, regardless of what Trump does.   Trump knew that when he told people he was going to bring the jobs back.

http://time.com/4570070/donald-trump-coal-jobs/

http://triblive.com/business/h...urn-appears-unlikely

http://www.vox.com/energy-and-...ump-coal-mining-jobs

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/2...coal-epa-regulation/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/t...ises-or-regulations/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...-20170329-story.html

And since you keep trying to, per usual of the Right, make this an Obama topic..

Obama Didn't Kill Coal, the Market Did.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view...-coal-the-market-did

 

EPA regulations are more than relevant:

The natural gas renaissance has helped to cause the decline of the coal industry through its use of hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling technology, causing average natural gas prices to electric utilities to decline 64 percent since 2008. But what has pushed the closure of coal power plants is the Obama Administration’s adoption of more stringent standards to regulate carbon dioxide emissions that it believes contribute to climate change, and to further regulate pollutants that it believes are harmful to human health, despite regulations already in place that have been very effective. For example, criteria pollutants (sulfur dioxide, nitrogen dioxide, carbon monoxide, ozone, lead and particular matter) declined by 63 percent between 1980 and 2014, despite gross domestic product increasing 147 percent, population increasing 41 percent and energy consumption increasing 26 percent between those years.

http://instituteforenergyresea...rican-industry-coal/

Industries so screwed over by crony capitalist despots don't rebound overnight and only a simpleton would expect an instant miracle. Even if EPA regulations relax now, utilities don't know who will be president in 2021 and I doubt that they can permit and build a new coal plant before then even if the costs are feasible now. So yes, any coal country recovery is going to be very slow.

There is no miracle, instant or otherwise.   There will be no recovery.  I guess you know more than the people who actually own coal companies.   Renewable energy is where everyone is going.   Coal will not rebound.   Chrissakes, that's like thinking the horse and buggy industry, with the right time frame and motivation could come back and compete with cars.  It is ludicrous.  

MonkeysUncleByMarriage posted:

There is no miracle, instant or otherwise.   There will be no recovery.  I guess you know more than the people who actually own coal companies.   Renewable energy is where everyone is going.   Coal will not rebound.   Chrissakes, that's like thinking the horse and buggy industry, with the right time frame and motivation could come back and compete with cars.  It is ludicrous.  

Actually there is some possibility for a small comeback, it's from exports. Reports are that the world economy is starting to thaw and the choice in fossil fuels in Europe are natural gas from the unstable Russian Republic, oil from insane Islamic countries, or coal from Appalachia or western low sulfur coal. Of course, everyone in Europe might choose to tilt at windmills like quixotic Germany.

US coal exports higher in November, including China-bound cargoes

 

US coal exports totaled 5.95 million mt in November, up 34.8% from the prior month and up 39.2% from the year-ago month, US Census data showed Friday.

When I say the industry isn't coming back, I mean the jobs.  We are steadily moving away from coal, regardless of exports.   But the jobs were doomed anyway, even had we not moved away from coal and that's due to the highly automated process now that doesn't require the miners. 

Europe is returning to coal. While an old article the return continues. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04...d/europe/23coal.html

MonkeysUncleByMarriage posted:

When I say the industry isn't coming back, I mean the jobs.  We are steadily moving away from coal, regardless of exports.   But the jobs were doomed anyway, even had we not moved away from coal and that's due to the highly automated process now that doesn't require the miners. 

And I have proven that the jobs were doomed primarily by the politics of the last administration, so much for Dems caring about the "little man". Given the carnage on the coal industry by Il Douche, just being able to tread water is doing good. 

It would appear most outlets, media and business publications, as well at the owners of coal companies would disagree with your assessment.  But anyway you can attempt to blame OBAMA!!!.. by all means.   

Dire, you do realize that even China just shut down 4 coal plants right?

MonkeysUncleByMarriage posted:

It would appear most outlets, media and business publications, as well at the owners of coal companies would disagree with your assessment.  But anyway you can attempt to blame OBAMA!!!.. by all means.   

Dire, you do realize that even China just shut down 4 coal plants right?

Along with building ghost cities with no people, China is building power plants to supply them. 

China May Be Building $500 Billion Worth of Unnecessary Coal Plants

http://fortune.com/2016/11/28/...cessary-coal-plants/

But when demand and supply catch up, they intend to build more coal plants.

Obama sycophant publications might say market forces killed the Coal industry, trade organizations and miners along with non-Dem publications and some honest liberals differ with that view. The major end user of coal was pushed to remove coal capacity by regulations:

http://www.cfact.org/2016/01/1...ault-on-an-industry/

https://thethoughtfulcoalminer...ama-has-killed-coal/

http://instituteforenergyresea...rican-industry-coal/

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/0...bama-climate-change/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/op...rddwiWxUI/story.html

http://www.cnsnews.com/comment...oal-clean-power-plan

https://mises.org/blog/did-free-market-kill-coal

What I believe is that all sources of energy should be available. The government shouldn't be involved in purposely destroying a source.

Who is it that keeps asking, "who are the deranged liberals saving it for"? Why  should I be interested in saving anything for the Muslims and people like the left have shown themselves to be? To **** with them. All they want to do is oppress and bully anyone that doesn't think like they think, and in the case of the Muslims, do away with all other religions, and they have the support of the left in doing just that. So, I'm not very intrested in "saving" a **** thing for them. A vast wasteland is what I wish for them and their spawn.