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The war is about oil and the US did basically "seize the oil." We invaded and occupied the country. First thing the Military did was send troops to protect the Oil Ministry as Baghdad was looted. They left stock piles of weapons and nuclear materials unguarded.

The US first tried to get the Oil Industry privatized under Bremmer, First thing. They also Privatized all of Iraqi's industries but the oil workers union stood up and prevented it. It has been a battle ever since. Bush also stalled elections.

You arrogance is consistent and obvious. It really shows you are "professional" all right. Professional liars. The lies have been exposed. The Niger documents were fakes, Tenet told Bush to take the line out of the speech but Bush used it again and even Bush and the Military have stated there were no WMD. They use the official line of the lie of "incorrect intelligence." Funny cause Tenet got the "Medal Of Freedom" Yet you continue to insist you are right and use condescending insult to those who show otherwise.

The double talk doesn't work any more, people want real answers. I think you are showing the true colors of the Right Wing. They have lied to the people for 30 years and never had the peoples best interest at heart and it's finally caught up with you.
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So bill clanton lied. Who would have thunk it. Typical defacrat I guess. In clanton's 1998 speech, he said Iraq was going to have to be dealt with eventually because of their wmd. I guess the 500,00 Kurds died of smoking or eating fatty foods. The only things you've thrashed are the truth.



kperk,
I know this is hard for you but try to focus. Everyone knew that Saddam had chemical and possibly biological weapons.

The Bush adminstration made it's case for war over the purposed attemt by Saddam to develope NUCLEAR weapons. The centerpiece of Bush's case for war was the attempt my Saddam to buy yellow cake uranium from Niger. We now know that was never true. Beside that, Saddam already had over 500 tons of yellow cake and had no means to develope it into weapons. In fact it was under seal from the IAEA and inspected on regular basis.

It was the staement that Saddam had used WMDs before and if he were allowed to get Nuclear he would use them. Saddam was declared to be an " Imminent Threat". Time has shown that Iran was the real threat.

How come we are not invading them?


Extra260, your mind is more narrow than Nicole Richie's behind! Last time I looked, whether its nuclear, chemical, or biological, weapons that are used to kill massive numbers of people are weapons of mass destruction. And for once, can you defacrats explain your boy bill clanton reading the riot act about Iraq back in '98? I've never heard any of you, including the dunderheads on tv, address this. Was he telling the truth (makes your present argument invalid) or was he lying (makes your unwavering support for him in the '90s look stupid)? Answer this before posting anything else please. If you continue to dodge the issue, I'll keep raising it.
The UN verified Saddam had destroyed all WMD, chemical and biological, after the first War. The US knew that and also knew they were destroyed through Intelligence. The reason Clinton continued to bomb Iraq and with Britain create a "No Fly Zone," was he was carrying out US policy of dominating the region and the oil trying to weaken his regime. If Saddam would have stepped down and replaced with our puppet and the oil Privatized Saddam would be living in luxury in Saudi Arabia or the Arab Emirates.

Clinton did not challenge the "Economic Royalists" or stand up to the Military Industrial Complex's plan to take the region by force. Clinton is a Corporate Democrat, liberal on social issue but pro war interests and conservative on economics.

"The Facts were Fixed."
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
The UN verified Saddam had destroyed all WMD, chemical and biological, after the first War. The US knew that and also knew they were destroyed through Intelligence. The reason Clinton continued to bomb Iraq and with Britain create a "No Fly Zone," was he was carrying out US policy of dominating the region and the oil trying to weaken his regime. If Saddam would have stepped down and replaced with our puppet and the oil Privatized Saddam would be living in luxury in Saudi Arabia or the Arab Emitters.

Clinton did not challenge the "Economic Royalists" or stand up to the Military Industrial Complex's plan to take the region by force. Clinton is a Corporate Democrat, liberal on social issue but pro war interests and conservative on economics.

"The Facts were Fixed."


During the clinton administration, saddam wouldn't even let the impotent u.n. inspectors near the sites that needed to be checked. When they were finally admitted to those sites, guess what? There was nothing there! How about that! I think they are still in that region, somewhere buried in the sand, waiting for someone either sympathetic to them or naive enough to think everything is ok, to take office and then we'll see them used again.
The UN verified that Saddam had destroyed the WMD by 1995. The US knew that through the UN and it's own intelligence.

Inspections continued until Saddam realized that inspectors were spying on his defenses. Scott Ritter has written about this on his own as well as a failed coup the US tried to instigate. He threw the Inspectors out of Iraq but they were allowed again after Bush's threats. UN Inspectors have written that they werre given full access even to surprise inspections. There were no WMD.

Bush and the Military has stated there were none.

The US plans to dominate the region have been in play for decades, after the fall of our puppet the repressive dictator the Shah of Iran the US wanted to get bases in the region, first Saudi Arabia but we got kicked out so now we are in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It will only get worse as US also expands it's military role in Africa
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
The UN verified that Saddam had destroyed the WMD by 1995. The US knew that through the UN and it's own intelligence.

Inspections continued until Saddam realized that inspectors were spying on his defenses. Scott Ritter has written about this on his own as well as a failed coup the US tried to instigate. He threw the Inspectors out of Iraq but they were allowed again after Bush's threats. UN Inspectors have written that they werre given full access even to surprise inspections. There were no WMD.

Bush and the Military has stated there were none.

The US plans to dominate the region have been in play for decades, after the fall of our puppet the repressive dictator the Shah of Iran the US wanted to get bases in the region, first Saudi Arabia but we got kicked out so now we are in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It will only get worse as US also expands it's military role in Africa


Hhmm. How could the un verify if they couldn't even gain admittance to the sites? I got so tired of watching saddam bully those poor helpless fools called inspectors. saddam would stall them at one site for several weeks while he transported the weapons to another location. When the inspectors would try to search that site, same result. Probably what Bush means is, there were none found. OJ was found not guilty but do you believe that also?
Despite what Fox and the Corporate Media might have been saying or implying the UN inspectors wrote they were allowed complete access to any site at any time, including surprise visits. If Saddam had any WMD and tried to relocate them the US would have saw this as we had surveilance continually on Iraq and Saddam. Powell even claimed water trucks had chemicals. He would not have been able to move them without the US seeing it.

Bush knew there were none as our own intelligence in 2002 said so.

Bush and the Military have stated, there were none.

As British Intelligence reported in the Downing Street Memo, "The Facts were Fix"
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
Despite what Fox and the Corporate Media might have been saying or implying the UN inspectors wrote they were allowed complete access to any site at any time, including surprise visits. If Saddam had any WMD and tried to relocate them the US would have saw this as we had surveilance continually on Iraq and Saddam. Powell even claimed water trucks had chemicals. He would not have been able to move them without the US seeing it.

Bush knew there were none as our own intelligence in 2002 said so.

Bush and the Military have stated, there were none.

As British Intelligence reported in the Downing Street Memo, "The Facts were Fix"


I'm not even sure there WAS a Fox news back then. Nope, got it from your good ole guys from cbs, nbc, and abc. I think Bush and the military have stated that none were found. And since when have you guys believed anything Bush says? Only when its what you want to hear. Right?
Fox was around back then, Fox, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN are all huge corporations and are the Corporate Media. They promote the interest of Corporations and not always the American peoples interests.

The War is in their interests but not the American peoples who are now deep in debt because of it and have paid a price in money not spent on American peoples well being and with soldiers sorrows, deaths ands handicaps due to the war. We pay in Blood and money for the well being of the Corporate Class, "Economic Royalists" as FDR called them.

We have now increased anger toward America around the world for our war crimes and helped extremist's recruit.

The Left agrees with Bush when he tells the truth.

The Press thrives on sensationalism and diversion of real issues and answers, although Investigating the background of a potential vice president is news. Blagojevich is just another small time operator and was being wiretapped by the FBI. The Press may have caught it but this type of corruption goes on across the country.

The bigger story is how the Corporate Media missed the lies of the Iraq War, when the Progressive and most of the world's press got it right. They missed the Housing Bubble and Wall Street Scams, and they seem to miss a lot on the environment too. These are all covered in the Progressive Press. Working peoples issues also.

The Corporate Media are like Referee's in a TV wrestling match, they only see things when it's too late. At first you are led to believe they are a third outside party but soon you learn
they are just part of the show.
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The War is in their interests but not the American peoples who are now deep in debt because of it and have paid a price in money not spent on American peoples well being and with soldiers sorrows, deaths ands handicaps due to the war. We pay in Blood and money for the well being of the Corporate Class, "Economic Royalists" as FDR called them.

We have now increased anger toward America around the world for our war crimes and helped extremist's recruit.

Typical BS from the "Blame America First"crowd.
The Iraq War is the US's fault but as I say, not the American people's fault. The growth of terrorist groups and increase of attacks are a result of the invasion, occupation and war crimes the US and it's mercenaries have committed.

There was no al Qaeda in Iraq before the invasion and it is the Iraqi people who have driven them out.

The war is for oil and control of the region. That's not in the American peoples interest. We need clean safe energy, jobs, a sound economy and peace.

It is the American people paying the price.
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The growth of terrorist groups and increase of attacks are a result of the invasion, occupation and war crimes the US and it's mercenaries have committed.

There was no al Qaeda in Iraq before the invasion and it is the Iraqi people who have driven them out.

The growth of terrorist groups over the last 3 decades are the result of a do nothing policy on terrorism.If we had of took action earlier instead of waiting on a Mass tragedy like 9-11,we would probably have never suffered it.Nobody wants to join a losing team.We failed to make a strong response to earlier attacks and encouraged the the terrorist and improved recruiting.And would you rather be fighting the terrorist in the giant sandbox we know as Iraq or have our children dodging bullets in the streets of the US?
Terrorist groups were small and usually restricted to a bunch of extremists or "loonies" but since the Iraq invasion it has grown 3 fold, easily. Previously they have had little support from the average Muslim but anger grows as US crimes continue.

The groups in the Mideast are trying to drive the US and West from the region. The west has been overthrowing governments and installing dictators since WW 1 and the US since WW 2. Hezbollah was formed to fight the Israeli invasion and occupation of Lebanon in 1982. Hamas in response to Israelis occupation from the 67 invasion. Both groups use terrorism in response to Israeli terrorism.

Reagan helped organize, recruit, fund and train Islamic Extremists in the 1980's and built the basic structure that is al Qaeda today. It wsas Bush who "downgraded" al Qaeda as a threat when he came to office and spent his time trying to think up justifications to invade Iraq. It's all about oil, profits and power.

The increase in terrorist attacks are the direct result of the US invasion, occupation and war crimes in Iraq.

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