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Originally posted by paw-paw:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
You obviously have no idea about fight or flight response, and how it affects perception. Typical ignorant post on your part Wink


I'm somewhat confused here Sassy. Are you saying the officer was justified if he did indeed shoot both?


No. Not at all. I'm saying that due to the dynamics of stress during the flight or fight response he may indeed not realize that it was he had shot the wife. It's a common phenomena, strongly documented and thoroughly studied. Only an ignorant, or obviously prejudiced individual would automatically assume the deputy was being deceptive.
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Originally posted by paw-paw:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
You obviously have no idea about fight or flight response, and how it affects perception. Typical ignorant post on your part Wink


I'm somewhat confused here Sassy. Are you saying the officer was justified if he did indeed shoot both?


SK has a track record of defending anyone that wears blue.
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Originally posted by WH:
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Originally posted by paw-paw:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
You obviously have no idea about fight or flight response, and how it affects perception. Typical ignorant post on your part Wink


I'm somewhat confused here Sassy. Are you saying the officer was justified if he did indeed shoot both?


SK has a track record of defending anyone that wears blue.


WH has a track record of attacking anyone that wears blue.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by paw-paw:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
You obviously have no idea about fight or flight response, and how it affects perception. Typical ignorant post on your part Wink


I'm somewhat confused here Sassy. Are you saying the officer was justified if he did indeed shoot both?


No. Not at all. I'm saying that due to the dynamics of stress during the flight or fight response he may indeed not realize that it was he had shot the wife. It's a common phenomena, strongly documented and thoroughly studied. Only an ignorant, or obviously prejudiced individual would automatically assume the deputy was being deceptive.


but here's the thing, the deputy claimed the jailer shot his wife first, and then he shot the jailer, ABI says the jailers gun was never discharged, so the fight or flight doesn't apply because the deputy was the only person who fired a weapon.
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Originally posted by onepatriot7:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by paw-paw:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
You obviously have no idea about fight or flight response, and how it affects perception. Typical ignorant post on your part Wink


I'm somewhat confused here Sassy. Are you saying the officer was justified if he did indeed shoot both?


No. Not at all. I'm saying that due to the dynamics of stress during the flight or fight response he may indeed not realize that it was he had shot the wife. It's a common phenomena, strongly documented and thoroughly studied. Only an ignorant, or obviously prejudiced individual would automatically assume the deputy was being deceptive.


but here's the thing, the deputy claimed the jailer shot his wife first, and then he shot the jailer, ABI says the jailers gun was never discharged, so the fight or flight doesn't apply because the deputy was the only person who fired a weapon.


Fight or flight most definitely does apply. The term "Fight or Flight" describes the emotional, physiological and psychological response to a perceived threat. If you are in a situation where an individual is perceived to intend harm to you or someone else, and has the ability and means to do so, unless you are a robot, you will have some form of this response.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by onepatriot7:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by paw-paw:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
You obviously have no idea about fight or flight response, and how it affects perception. Typical ignorant post on your part Wink


I'm somewhat confused here Sassy. Are you saying the officer was justified if he did indeed shoot both?


No. Not at all. I'm saying that due to the dynamics of stress during the flight or fight response he may indeed not realize that it was he had shot the wife. It's a common phenomena, strongly documented and thoroughly studied. Only an ignorant, or obviously prejudiced individual would automatically assume the deputy was being deceptive.


but here's the thing, the deputy claimed the jailer shot his wife first, and then he shot the jailer, ABI says the jailers gun was never discharged, so the fight or flight doesn't apply because the deputy was the only person who fired a weapon.


Fight or flight most definitely does apply. The term "Fight or Flight" describes the emotional, physiological and psychological response to a perceived threat. If you are in a situation where an individual is perceived to intend harm to you or someone else, and has the ability and means to do so, unless you are a robot, you will have some form of this response.


you do not need to school me on what fight or flight is, i spent 12 years in special forces and guarantee you i've been in situations that make this look like a walk in the park, what this boils down to is a lack of proper training and an inappropriate response from the deputy involved and then he lied to cover it up.
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Originally posted by onepatriot7:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by onepatriot7:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by paw-paw:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
You obviously have no idea about fight or flight response, and how it affects perception. Typical ignorant post on your part Wink


I'm somewhat confused here Sassy. Are you saying the officer was justified if he did indeed shoot both?


No. Not at all. I'm saying that due to the dynamics of stress during the flight or fight response he may indeed not realize that it was he had shot the wife. It's a common phenomena, strongly documented and thoroughly studied. Only an ignorant, or obviously prejudiced individual would automatically assume the deputy was being deceptive.


but here's the thing, the deputy claimed the jailer shot his wife first, and then he shot the jailer, ABI says the jailers gun was never discharged, so the fight or flight doesn't apply because the deputy was the only person who fired a weapon.


Fight or flight most definitely does apply. The term "Fight or Flight" describes the emotional, physiological and psychological response to a perceived threat. If you are in a situation where an individual is perceived to intend harm to you or someone else, and has the ability and means to do so, unless you are a robot, you will have some form of this response.


you do not need to school me on what fight or flight is, i spent 12 years in special forces and guarantee you i've been in situations that make this look like a walk in the park, what this boils down to is a lack of proper training and an inappropriate response from the deputy involved and then he lied to cover it up.


Glad you're all knowing, all seeing and psychic as well. Perhaps you should get back into the business...with talents like yours, you could be a national treasure Wink
actually, i've been a national treasure, and because of my service, i'm now disabled, so no sarcasm is necessary my friend. and i'm only giving my opinion based on what the article presents, i'm not pretending to be psychic, look at the facts as given in the article sassy that's all i'm saying, you know, the deputy is probably young and inexperienced, i don't fault him for that, but he shouldn't lie to try and cover up his mistake, own up too it, learn from it, and move on... Smiler
Possibly not necessary. I'll give you that. I dare say that any Special Forces operator gets several thousands hours per year more training than the average police officer does. Alabama law requires no in service training for deputies.

Perhaps that might explain the difference in your perception of the situation and that of the deputy in question.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
Possibly not necessary. I'll give you that. I dare say that any Special Forces operator gets several thousands hours per year more training than the average police officer does. Alabama law requires no in service training for deputies.

Perhaps that might explain the difference in your perception of the situation and that of the deputy in question.


you're probably very correct, trust me, i've set in many operational debriefings and went over the facts of what went wrong, what went right, and how we can improve, it is very tuff when you're in a life or death situation, but never should you lie about any aspect, good, bad, or ugly.
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Originally posted by onepatriot7:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
Possibly not necessary. I'll give you that. I dare say that any Special Forces operator gets several thousands hours per year more training than the average police officer does. Alabama law requires no in service training for deputies.

Perhaps that might explain the difference in your perception of the situation and that of the deputy in question.


you're probably very correct, trust me, i've set in many operational debriefings and went over the facts of what went wrong, what went right, and how we can improve, it is very tuff when you're in a life or death situation, but never should you lie about any aspect, good, bad, or ugly.


Therein lies the aspect that I'm getting at. If his statements were taken immediately after the shooting, he may (because of Fight or Flight) not have realized that his statement was not an accurate account of his actions. He indeed may have perceived that it went down exactly as he described.

People in shootouts (and other life threatening situations) do things that they later have no memory of. I've known, interviewed and debriefed several individuals who ran their firearms dry of ammo, and yet swore they only fired two or three rounds. Others could only remember shooting, but never saw their sights. More than one could only remember the size, shape and color of the bad guy's gun.

Adrenalin is a cold hearted mistress, and can leave you high and dry after the fact.
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Originally posted by onepatriot7:
if you ever get the opportunity, i recommend you attend training at Front Sights firearm training institute outside of Las Vegas, i promise you no matter what your experience level, it'll be money well spent...


Agreed. As would be the Lethal Force Institute, or Gunsite, or Thunder Ranch. I personally like Ayoob's legal training, and Clint Smith's firearms tactics.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
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Originally posted by onepatriot7:
if you ever get the opportunity, i recommend you attend training at Front Sights firearm training institute outside of Las Vegas, i promise you no matter what your experience level, it'll be money well spent...


Agreed. As would be the Lethal Force Institute, or Gunsite, or Thunder Ranch. I personally like Ayoob's legal training, and Clint Smith's firearms tactics.


Massad is a great guy, i had the privilege of spending a weekend with him and a few other guys in Idaho a few years back.
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Originally posted by wright35633:
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Originally posted by WH:
Update...

http://www.huntsvillenewswire.com/2010/07/21/4256/


Looks kind of like he told the truth in the video. You should really read the attached ABI Report. It is interesting.



I did read it, did you?

The local police says there were TWO bullets in the females head...the ABI forensic autopsy says only ONE, the cops. You dont see a problem there though do you? All you see is blue.

Actually if you read the report, then watch the video you can see the cops facial expressions change, along with his speech at every point the local report differs with the ABI report.

It will probably take a federal investigation to get anything done about this murdering cop.

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