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Deforestation, salinization, desertification, war, erosion, pollution of every sort, and shortages of oil, water, wilderness, housing, and medicine.

There is one root cause, or at least aggravation, of all those. Overpopulation.

The strange thing is, there's nothing that can be done about it. China tried, and in a most draconian fashion. It didn't work.

Appealing to the populations' understanding and cooperation will have the predictable results.

It makes me wonder how many people the world can support before there's a widespread population correction of some sort.

DF
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Deforestation, salinization, desertification, war, erosion, pollution of every sort, and shortages of oil, water, wilderness, housing, and medicine.

There is one root cause, or at least aggravation, of all those. Overpopulation.

The strange thing is, there's nothing that can be done about it. China tried, and in a most draconian fashion. It didn't work.

Appealing to the populations' understanding and cooperation will have the predictable results.

It makes me wonder how many people the world can support before there's a widespread population correction of some sort.

DF


I've been posting something similar, we're on the same page here.

I think the technical term we're talking about is overshoot.
Last edited by miamizsun
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Originally posted by BullBison:
The earth will shake us off like a bad case of fleas when she is good and ready. You are right. There are just too many homo sapiens on Terra.
Bull, You are not slinging it here. You are absolutely right. SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN. And the population will drop.
There are some small things happening now, Darfur, HIV, a looming Avian Flu epidemic. And, the most at risk people are not us, but the people of the third world. They are the most at risk, and they have the least resources to combat disease.
Further over the horizon are food shortages. Fish Stocks are dropping to nearly unsustainable levels in the world's oceans. agricultural land is being spoiled, and built over, all over the planet. Again, those at greatest risk are the poorest of the world's people.
The environment, is the foundation of the food supply, the climate its source of health.
We need to teach and Learn, the laws of sustainability. And we have to cut drastically our use of energy. And, we absolutely must on a global basis, slow, or reverse population expansion.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by BullBison:
The earth will shake us off like a bad case of fleas when she is good and ready. You are right. There are just too many homo sapiens on Terra.
Bull, You are not slinging it here. You are absolutely right. SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN. And the population will drop.
There are some small things happening now, Darfur, HIV, a looming Avian Flu epidemic. And, the most at risk people are not us, but the people of the third world. They are the most at risk, and they have the least resources to combat disease.
Further over the horizon are food shortages. Fish Stocks are dropping to nearly unsustainable levels in the world's oceans. agricultural land is being spoiled, and built over, all over the planet. Again, those at greatest risk are the poorest of the world's people.
The environment, is the foundation of the food supply, the climate its source of health.
We need to teach and Learn, the laws of sustainability. And we have to cut drastically our use of energy. And, we absolutely must on a global basis, slow, or reverse population expansion.


Dennis Meadows talks about overshoot.

and

Richard Heinberg on Powerdown

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Ed wrote
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... we absolutely must on a global basis, slow, or reverse population expansion.


Aye, there's the rub. How? "We" cannot do it. We have tried, and it's impossible. People demand babies, and you can't stop them without forced sterilization, which is currently considered unconscionable.

I'm not saying it won't be done for us, likely it will be, but "we" can't do it for ourselves.

DF
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed wrote
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... we absolutely must on a global basis, slow, or reverse population expansion.


Aye, there's the rub. How? "We" cannot do it. We have tried, and it's impossible. People demand babies, and you can't stop them without forced sterilization, which is currently considered unconscionable.

I'm not saying it won't be done for us, likely it will be, but "we" can't do it for ourselves.

DF


The line between the human right to reproduce and bringing a child into the world who will surely starve to death is a fine one. See Africa for example....
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed wrote
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... we absolutely must on a global basis, slow, or reverse population expansion.


Aye, there's the rub. How? "We" cannot do it. We have tried, and it's impossible. People demand babies, and you can't stop them without forced sterilization, which is currently considered unconscionable.

I'm not saying it won't be done for us, likely it will be, but "we" can't do it for ourselves.

DF
I did on a personal level, I chose not to bring any new life into this world. as bad as things are now, I'd hate to know I left my off-spring to this hell hole we call earth. when I go, I won't be leaving a living legacy. those that are left can have this ****ed place!
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed wrote
quote:
... we absolutely must on a global basis, slow, or reverse population expansion.


Aye, there's the rub. How? "We" cannot do it. We have tried, and it's impossible. People demand babies, and you can't stop them without forced sterilization, which is currently considered unconscionable.

I'm not saying it won't be done for us, likely it will be, but "we" can't do it for ourselves.

DF
Two extremes, do nothing or do something by force. There is a third way. Education, contraception by choice, and opening opportunity to prosper without having a child labor force. Nation's with high standards of living, and good health care have lower birth rates. We can do the middle way. And benefit at the same time for having done it.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Ed wrote
quote:
... we absolutely must on a global basis, slow, or reverse population expansion.


Aye, there's the rub. How? "We" cannot do it. We have tried, and it's impossible. People demand babies, and you can't stop them without forced sterilization, which is currently considered unconscionable.

I'm not saying it won't be done for us, likely it will be, but "we" can't do it for ourselves.

DF
Two extremes, do nothing or do something by force. There is a third way. Education, contraception by choice, and opening opportunity to prosper without having a child labor force. Nation's with high standards of living, and good health care have lower birth rates. We can do the middle way. And benefit at the same time for having done it.


One good start to population control is to get the Catholic church to come off of it's rediculous objection to birth controll. Much of the developing world that is considered Christian is Catholic, and practice no birty control because of the Pope.
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One good start to population control is to get the Catholic church to come off of it's rediculous objection to birth controll. Much of the developing world that is considered Christian is Catholic, and practice no birty control because of the Pope.


How you gonna "get" the Catholic Church to do anything? The only thing they're scared of is a wholesale abandonment, and that's not happening.

If I ran a church, I would encourage my parishoners to multiply and indoctrinate the babies to my way of thinking. It only makes common sense, to the Church.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but, once again, the interests of the Church are in conflict with the interests of mankind.

DF

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