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Terry Jones, I hope you rot in hell. You did this for your few minutes of fame, and for NO other reason. You knew when you threatened to do it last year that innocent people would be killed. Couldn't stand not being in the limelight, huh?
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Originally posted by savinforarainyday:
The Muslims are training us right now on how to be quiet...it is only going to get worse.
The democrites have been trying to do that for years. You have to wonder what would possess a man to do something that he knew would cause people their lives. Sounds like another westboro church bunch.
Now on the other hand, look how the followers of this supposedly "peaceful religion" act. Go kick over a fire ant mound-would you be surprised at what happens?
How STUPID to think this is the preachers fault. The fault lies with the religious fanatics that kill anyone that doesn't agree with them.

I'm sure it encourages them to see idiots like have posted here place the blame on someone else.

You are attempting to appease them...their kind will never be satisfied until your complete destruction if you don't believe as them. Its as simple as that.
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
Like the muslims need a reason? If he hadn't done this they would have found another reason or made one up. Actually he was the judge, not the jury. But he was a part of it. Personally I like what they did. They pissed off some muslims, but innocent people are dying. Thats the down side.
I don't understand why he felt like he needed to "piss off some muslims", especially when he knew it would lead to innocent people being killed. Sounds like one sick f***** to me. Again along the lines of the westboro bunch. Now if something happens to his "church", or his followers, are we supposed to be upset?
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
Like the muslims need a reason? If he hadn't done this they would have found another reason or made one up. Actually he was the judge, not the jury. But he was a part of it. Personally I like what they did. They pissed off some muslims, but innocent people are dying. Thats the down side.
I don't understand why he felt like he needed to "piss off some muslims", especially when he knew it would lead to innocent people being killed. Sounds like one sick f***** to me. Again along the lines of the westboro bunch. Now if something happens to his "church", or his followers, are we supposed to be upset?
You can't know that he knew the repercussions of what he did. He didn't know people would be killed for a mock trial. He may be a little radical but he isn't near Westboros level yet. And if some muslim retaliates against his following, yeah I'd be upset. Hell if I had a koran, i'd burn it too.
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Originally posted by Tool:
How STUPID to think this is the preachers fault. The fault lies with the religious fanatics that kill anyone that doesn't agree with them.

I'm sure it encourages them to see idiots like have posted here place the blame on someone else.

You are attempting to appease them...their kind will never be satisfied until your complete destruction if you don't believe as them. Its as simple as that.


Tool hit the nail on the head. The title of this thread is all wrong too. No one was killed because their crap book was burned, people were killed by a bunch of violent criminals. To blame their murders on a guy who burned a book (especially one written by a scumbag like Mohammad) is ludicrous. For those who don't know very much about Mohammad, he was pretty much the inspiration for Joseph Smith to create the Mormon cult and they have a lot of similarities such as being child molesters as Mo was 56 years old when he married a 6 year old named Aisha, Muslims claim that she was 9 but big difference that makes, he was still a pervert. Anyway, their action of killing people because someone burned their little book of lies makes me want to burn a copy too and use two more for toilet paper. Everyone else should do the same and show these pieces of crap that they will not bully Americans and we will not tolerate their violent behavior.
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Originally posted by BFred07:
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Originally posted by Tool:
How STUPID to think this is the preachers fault. The fault lies with the religious fanatics that kill anyone that doesn't agree with them.

I'm sure it encourages them to see idiots like have posted here place the blame on someone else.

You are attempting to appease them...their kind will never be satisfied until your complete destruction if you don't believe as them. Its as simple as that.


Tool hit the nail on the head. The title of this thread is all wrong too. No one was killed because their crap book was burned, people were killed by a bunch of violent criminals. To blame their murders on a guy who burned a book (especially one written by a scumbag like Mohammad) is ludicrous. For those who don't know very much about Mohammad, he was pretty much the inspiration for Joseph Smith to create the Mormon cult and they have a lot of similarities such as being child molesters as Mo was 56 years old when he married a 6 year old named Aisha, Muslims claim that she was 9 but big difference that makes, he was still a pervert. Anyway, their action of killing people because someone burned their little book of lies makes me want to burn a copy too and use two more for toilet paper. Everyone else should do the same and show these pieces of crap that they will not bully Americans and we will not tolerate their violent behavior.
Salute, great post.
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
Like the muslims need a reason? If he hadn't done this they would have found another reason or made one up. Actually he was the judge, not the jury. But he was a part of it. Personally I like what they did. They pissed off some muslims, but innocent people are dying. Thats the down side.
I don't understand why he felt like he needed to "piss off some muslims", especially when he knew it would lead to innocent people being killed. Sounds like one sick f***** to me. Again along the lines of the westboro bunch. Now if something happens to his "church", or his followers, are we supposed to be upset?
You can't know that he knew the repercussions of what he did. He didn't know people would be killed for a mock trial. He may be a little radical but he isn't near Westboros level yet. And if some muslim retaliates against his following, yeah I'd be upset. Hell if I had a koran, i'd burn it too.
He absolutely knew what would happen-he'd been warned. Everyone knew what would happen if he did it. He may be even worse than the westboro bunch, at least they haven't gotten innocent people killed-yet. This is crazy. If you go into a cage with lions and get mauled to death are we supposed to blame the lions? If he'd been the one killed that one be one thing. But he got people killed that had nothing to do with his insanity.
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Originally posted by Carol None:
The supreme court has already held that the First Amendment is "not absolute." This had to do with the impact of cross burning as a form of racial intimidation. I see the same thing happening in this situation, so this nut case will have only accomplished a little more chipping away of one of our freedoms.

Excellent post Carol: I don't know when the American public will realize that chipping away our freedom is tops on the terrorist agenda!!
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
Like the muslims need a reason? If he hadn't done this they would have found another reason or made one up. Actually he was the judge, not the jury. But he was a part of it. Personally I like what they did. They pissed off some muslims, but innocent people are dying. Thats the down side.
I don't understand why he felt like he needed to "piss off some muslims", especially when he knew it would lead to innocent people being killed. Sounds like one sick f***** to me. Again along the lines of the westboro bunch. Now if something happens to his "church", or his followers, are we supposed to be upset?
You can't know that he knew the repercussions of what he did. He didn't know people would be killed for a mock trial. He may be a little radical but he isn't near Westboros level yet. And if some muslim retaliates against his following, yeah I'd be upset. Hell if I had a koran, i'd burn it too.
He absolutely knew what would happen-he'd been warned. Everyone knew what would happen if he did it. He may be even worse than the westboro bunch, at least they haven't gotten innocent people killed-yet. This is crazy. If you go into a cage with lions and get mauled to death are we supposed to blame the lions? If he'd been the one killed that one be one thing. But he got people killed that had nothing to do with his insanity.


He didn't get anyone killed, odd that people can burn Bibles which is something offensive to Christians and others can burn American flags which is offensive to most Americans and they are not called killers, oh yea, that's because no one gets killed when Christians and American are simply offended.
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He didn't get anyone killed, odd that people can burn Bibles which is something offensive to Christians and others can burn American flags which is offensive to most Americans and they are not called killers, oh yea, that's because no one gets killed when Christians and American are simply offended.

You're absolutely right. I wouldn't burn a bible or a flag, no way in he**-but the people that do know they won't be killed for it-not yet anyway, or they don't care if they are. Anyone that would burn the bible and flag are just like this man, they don't care what happens to others because of it. He knew what the muslims would do-everyone did. He was warned when he tried to do it before. So don't even say he didn't get people killed, he did. And it might not stop there. If I was in his "church" I think I'd be getting myself and my family out of there.
These extremist mulims don't give a rat's ass about Terry Jones. To them he's just a means to justify an end. Take him away and they'll just move on to whatever other issue they can find. Sharia isn't the official judicial system in the West. Western women don't wear Burkha's. Westeners are all spawn of the devil...Blah blah, blah. Whatever.
One of the stupidest , and gravest things Westerners, and many of the posters on these forums do, is to assume that just because we operate by reason, logic, and compassion, that everyone else in the world will also.
You see giving aid, Democracy, etc. a something the Islamic world should be doing a big "Thanky Massah" so you can "feel good". They see it as a sign of weakness...and the governments sure deliver.
The idea of being able to ever placate them is a fantasy, plain and simple.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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He didn't get anyone killed, odd that people can burn Bibles which is something offensive to Christians and others can burn American flags which is offensive to most Americans and they are not called killers, oh yea, that's because no one gets killed when Christians and American are simply offended.

You're absolutely right. I wouldn't burn a bible or a flag, no way in he**-but the people that do know they won't be killed for it-not yet anyway, or they don't care if they are. Anyone that would burn the bible and flag are just like this man, they don't care what happens to others because of it. He knew what the muslims would do-everyone did. He was warned when he tried to do it before. So don't even say he didn't get people killed, he did. And it might not stop there. If I was in his "church" I think I'd be getting myself and my family out of there.


I think he probably did it because of all the threats thrown around about desecrating their rag. The threats and accusations have been slung for a long time and being an American, I do not take well to threats and am tempted to do the same. What is next, they tell us to not eat pork or have public calls to prayer or they will kill someone? Where will their bullying stop? It's my opinion that if they give an ultimatum & draw a line in the sand that it's our responsibility to run right over their little line. He didn't get anyone killed, he cannot be held responsible for another person's violent behavior.
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I think he probably did it because of all the threats thrown around about desecrating their rag. The threats and accusations have been slung for a long time and being an American, I do not take well to threats and am tempted to do the same. What is next, they tell us to not eat pork or have public calls to prayer or they will kill someone? Where will their bullying stop? It's my opinion that if they give an ultimatum & draw a line in the sand that it's our responsibility to run right over their little line. He didn't get anyone killed, he cannot be held responsible for another person's violent behavior.

We wouldn't want him to lose his rights just because a few people might get killed, maybe even in his family. I'm sorry but to me burning a book isn't more important than people's lives. I don't get what "bullying" he was standing up to. But again, people know the consequences and if they feel that making some kind of point is more important than lives it's they that should have to suffer, not people that have nothing to do with it. You proudly say you'd burn it, I wouldn't, because there is that chance someone could get killed if I did. And again he announced he was going to do it, he knew what would happen. I think the muslims know very well what people think of them, so why did he feel it was his place to burn the book? And fred, you know darn well that there are plenty of people that would LOVE to kill people that burn the bible and flag, but we are a bit more civilized. Dealing with rational people is one thing, but when you set out to antagonize irrational people you should be the only one to suffer the end result.
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I think he probably did it because of all the threats thrown around about desecrating their rag. The threats and accusations have been slung for a long time and being an American, I do not take well to threats and am tempted to do the same. What is next, they tell us to not eat pork or have public calls to prayer or they will kill someone? Where will their bullying stop? It's my opinion that if they give an ultimatum & draw a line in the sand that it's our responsibility to run right over their little line. He didn't get anyone killed, he cannot be held responsible for another person's violent behavior.

One more question for you fred. Have any muslims told you not to worship the way you want? Just curious. Do you know if any group of muslims told this preacher what he could or could not preach?
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Originally posted by Jennifer:

We wouldn't want him to lose his rights just because a few people might get killed, maybe even in his family.


EXACTLY, people have been dying for our rights since 1776 and for America to bend over and be bullied by these bloodthirsty maniacs is the equal of taking every individual who has died for the USA and spitting in their face! As long as we Americans want to keep our rights AND there are people willing to kill us to take them away or bully us into not exercising them then people will continue dying for our rights. When or if people stop dying for our rights then our freedoms will all be gone.
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Originally posted by BFred07:
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Originally posted by Tool:
How STUPID to think this is the preachers fault. The fault lies with the religious fanatics that kill anyone that doesn't agree with them.

I'm sure it encourages them to see idiots like have posted here place the blame on someone else.

You are attempting to appease them...their kind will never be satisfied until your complete destruction if you don't believe as them. Its as simple as that.


Tool hit the nail on the head. The title of this thread is all wrong too. No one was killed because their crap book was burned, people were killed by a bunch of violent criminals. To blame their murders on a guy who burned a book (especially one written by a scumbag like Mohammad) is ludicrous. For those who don't know very much about Mohammad, he was pretty much the inspiration for Joseph Smith to create the Mormon cult and they have a lot of similarities such as being child molesters as Mo was 56 years old when he married a 6 year old named Aisha, Muslims claim that she was 9 but big difference that makes, he was still a pervert. Anyway, their action of killing people because someone burned their little book of lies makes me want to burn a copy too and use two more for toilet paper. Everyone else should do the same and show these pieces of crap that they will not bully Americans and we will not tolerate their violent behavior.


Just what the hell does burning a Bible or a Quran or any other book held sacred by somebody have to do with being an American. The Constitutionally accepted way to handle other religions is to accept them. To deride, belittle, demean, or harrass anyone or group because of their religious belief is among one of the LEAST American things a person can do.
This preacher is obviously some un-American, self-righteous , hypocritical redneck bigot, looking for some way to alienate a sizable portion of the rest of the world, and stir up another bunch of fundamentalist, who, like himself, have absolutely no brain.
It is people like fundamentalist , regardless of what religion, that have caused more war and misery in this world than any other source since the Black Plague.
Personally I wish he could be arrested for conspiracy to commit murder, but this country has too many right-wing fundamentalist nuts to ever actually do that.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:

One more question for you fred. Have any muslims told you not to worship the way you want? Just curious. Do you know if any group of muslims told this preacher what he could or could not preach?[/QUOTE]

I once had a Muslim go on and on trying to preach to me that the koran says this, allah says that, Mohammad says something else, blah blah blah and a bunch of other crap for him to try and make me agree with him. When I got tired of hearing his crap I just looked at him and said "Mohammad was just a big f@g" that is the point where I got to see just how enraged and crazy these people really are, he was a coward too because all the threats he spewed were empty. Don't ask me if they tell people what they can say and preach, ask someone like Salman Rushdie and others who have been targeted, murdered, or tortured for speaking against islam.
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Don't ask me if they tell people what they can say and preach, ask someone like Salman Rushdie and others who have been targeted, murdered, or tortured for speaking against islam.

And there you have it. Proof of what I've been saying. There is no one anywhere that doesn't know what happens when muslims feel they have been "insulted". As far as the muslim preaching to people, BG does it all the time. He's just as fanatical as any muslim.
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
Before you bite my head off, allow me to say that I fear Muslim extremism as much as most folks. BUT.... Right or wrong, what the 'preacher' did was akin to inciting a riot. He KNEW the likely outcome and went ahead with his foolish act. His actions were self-serving. In no way did they serve God.

Muslim Extremist? The only diference between an extremist and a muslim is the name. The book and the law they follow is still the same.
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Originally posted by seeweed:
Just what the hell does burning a Bible or a Quran or any other book held sacred by somebody have to do with being an American. The Constitutionally accepted way to handle other religions is to accept them.


There is nothing American about accepting all beliefs, there is a big difference in allowing someone to practice their religion and accepting their religion. Their is also a big difference in allowing them to practice their religion in peace (yea I know, islam and peace in the same sentence, insert joke here >_____<) and allowing them to tell the rest of us how we must behave.


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To deride, belittle, demean, or harrass anyone or group because of their religious belief is among one of the LEAST American things a person can do.


It's called freedom of speech and freedom of expression. If the muslims can't handle that then oh well, they don't need to try and make it my problem.

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This preacher is obviously some un-American, self-righteous , hypocritical redneck bigot, looking for some way to alienate a sizable portion of the rest of the world, and stir up another bunch of fundamentalist, who, like himself, have absolutely no brain.


Whatever, doesn't matter why he did, he has the right to do it anyway and those idiotic extremist fellas had no right to use violence because of it.

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It is people like fundamentalist , regardless of what religion, that have caused more war and misery in this world than any other source since the Black Plague.


So you are somewhat admitting that it was the resposibility of the muslim extremists who called for and committed the murders?

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Personally I wish he could be arrested for conspiracy to commit murder, but this country has too many right-wing fundamentalist nuts to ever actually do that.


Which is why we can certainly say that you are being un-American with such a statement, to think that you would charge someone with murder because they said something that someone else allowed to hurt their feelings?
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Don't ask me if they tell people what they can say and preach, ask someone like Salman Rushdie and others who have been targeted, murdered, or tortured for speaking against islam.

And there you have it. Proof of what I've been saying. There is no one anywhere that doesn't know what happens when muslims feel they have been "insulted". As far as the muslim preaching to people, BG does it all the time. He's just as fanatical as any muslim.


Then perhaps we need to make it a practice of keeping up the insults until they toughen up a little and quite being such cry babies.
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Originally posted by BFred07:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
Just what the hell does burning a Bible or a Quran or any other book held sacred by somebody have to do with being an American. The Constitutionally accepted way to handle other religions is to accept them.


There is nothing American about accepting all beliefs, there is a big difference in allowing someone to practice their religion and accepting their religion. Their is also a big difference in allowing them to practice their religion in peace (yea I know, islam and peace in the same sentence, insert joke here >_____<) and allowing them to tell the rest of us how we must behave.

Allowing them or anyone else to practice their religion is what I intended when I said that, didn't mean someone had to like it, or take it as their own. Just ment accept the fact they have a different religion, and move on.
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To deride, belittle, demean, or harrass anyone or group because of their religious belief is among one of the LEAST American things a person can do.


It's called freedom of speech and freedom of expression. If the muslims can't handle that then oh well, they don't need to try and make it my problem.

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I didn't say they couldn't do it by law, just that I think it is wrong and un-American to do it. My speach, my freedom here. (although free speech does need some constraints ie: calling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre, this hate speech can get people killed . May be constitutional (which I doubt since it led to actual death), but not all constitutional freedoms when used wrongly are good, or even ok
This preacher is obviously some un-American, self-righteous , hypocritical redneck bigot, looking for some way to alienate a sizable portion of the rest of the world, and stir up another bunch of fundamentalist, who, like himself, have absolutely no brain.


Whatever, doesn't matter why he did, he has the right to do it anyway and those idiotic extremist fellas had no right to use violence because of it.
They don't have our constitution either. I am not supporting what the Moslems did, just stating that the dumb-ass so-called preacher is wrong for what he did. Obama warned that burning the Quran could lead to bloodshead, so he knew his actions would lead to bloodshead and death. If he's a preacher, he is a preacher of hate, and not Christianity.

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It is people like fundamentalist , regardless of what religion, that have caused more war and misery in this world than any other source since the Black Plague.


So you are somewhat admitting that it was the resposibility of the muslim extremists who called for and committed the murders?
Of course I do not condone the killing of anyone because of some hateful bigot's action. However, as we have learned in the past from Gobbels, and Fox News, words can be powerful motovators to stupid , weak-minded people. Words can be dangerous. God created the Universe using words.

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Personally I wish he could be arrested for conspiracy to commit murder, but this country has too many right-wing fundamentalist nuts to ever actually do that.


Which is why we can certainly say that you are being un-American with such a statement, to think that you would charge someone with murder because they said something that someone else allowed to hurt their feelings?


If you yelled "fire" in that crowded building that was NOT on fire, and people died in panic trying to escape, my opinion is that you are at fault. If you do such, and death is the result, pray that I am not on your jury.

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