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Bamma shine: Take note: I have never used illegal drugs in my life, and worked in a unionized plant for 31 yrs, and NEVER ONCE saw anyone use drugs (other then prescribed medicines).(we had our fair share of DRUNK's as at any job site)
This Generalizing (on your part) about AMERICAN Union workers being Drugatic's and LAZY is nothing but anti-UNION absolute BULL-S--- rehtoric on your part and is not going to change anyones mind. GO AHEAD Mc.DONALDS, and WALLY WORLD LOVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU.


Sure you and some others maybe the exception. Bama Sunshine is correct in what she said though. I know personally some alcoholics and drug users that brag about getting messed up on the job site. They are union workers, electricians, pipe fitters, and boiler makers.

That is a fact not a generalization. I also know that they have been to arbitration hearings about there drug use. The union help them to keep there jobs after they got caught stealing and getting intoxicated on the job.


Sorry YO, I just don't believe that at all, unless you are talking about a small company who hires a few Union members who KNOW how to do the job.. Otherwise, there ARE ABSOLUTELY NO DRUGS at all on my site, and NO UNION Affiliated with us would EVER uphold a druggie or a pusher... NEVER would, or could that happen... never... and I have been a member of a Union, like I said for 27 years... and counting... Been MANY places, seen MANY FIRED for trying to get away with drugs, and the Union did NOT back them, not one single time.

Drugs have NO place on the jobsite, and there is ZERO tolerance about that where I work... and the ZERO tolerance is definitely been tested and won .... every time!!!!

well,maybe not on your jobsite,but,I am living proof that on numerous jobs,even TVA hydro plants,brothers protect brothers even in drugs.


If a 'brother' or 'sister' is so selfish to not want to be clean and safe on the jobsite, then why are you protecting them? THEY should be protecting YOU from their inability to function...

There are many people I work with and have worked with in the past and still do when they are in town that I like very much,... consider them great friends,... but when any one of them uses drugs and goes to a jobsite and EXPECT to be taken care of, that is just selfish and wrong... anyone who does that is an enabler to a drug problem.

HYDRO?? That is a dangerous job right from the start, and there are people willing to "protect brothers"... What if someone gets killed... What if they get caught in a gate in the wheelpit? What if they get YOU caught there? Or do you all just allow your 'brother' to go to the draft tube to sleep it off?

It is pretty dangerous to even think that people could work on a vertical unit and not worry that their "brother" is stoned... I am in shock about that!!!!
I went to a Union Leadership conference a couple of years ago & guess what we did for fun? We had watched a film on how Wal-mart keeps the Union out...so...We went to the local Wal-mart wearing our Union shirts & buttons- there was a group of about 6 of us. Had a blast! The managers on duty were all freaked out! They started following us around watching every move we made to make sure we weren't talking to the employees...there were only 3 of them and we split up & went all over the store- they couldn't keep up with us..it was hilarious! Just goes to show you how paranoid they are. What really shocked me was how quick they saw us. It had to be within 2-3 minutes of us walking in. I really feel for those folks- the need the Union really bad- from what I hear its in the works- so look out Wal-mart-we're coming after you!
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I went to a Union Leadership conference a couple of years ago & guess what we did for fun? We had watched a film on how Wal-mart keeps the Union out...so...We went to the local Wal-mart wearing our Union shirts & buttons- there was a group of about 6 of us. Had a blast! The managers on duty were all freaked out! They started following us around watching every move we made to make sure we weren't talking to the employees...there were only 3 of them and we split up & went all over the store- they couldn't keep up with us..it was hilarious! Just goes to show you how paranoid they are. What really shocked me was how quick they saw us. It had to be within 2-3 minutes of us walking in. I really feel for those folks- the need the Union really bad- from what I hear its in the works- so look out Wal-mart-we're coming after you!


The Florence fire department voted to go union by 80%
thats awesome!!! Always glad to hear about mobilizing efforts paying off- especially in the south. Since the Taft-Hartley Act of 1947 Union in the private sector has declined from 35% down to less than 8%...what a disgrace...Germany is at 55%.... We (the US) are the lowest of ALL the world's democracies...even in countries that were run by dictatorship just a few years ago like South Africa, Brazil and South Korea are at 30%....WAKE UP AMERICA....there is hope-if we work at it...there is a bill going before the house this year called the Employee Free Choice Act....get the word out- write to your senators & congressmen to support this!
Average hourly wage, Alabama: $10.61
average hourly wage, United States: 18.62
Difference: $8.01

Union memebers In Alabama Workforce 10.86%
Union members in USA workforce 12.5%

ANYOME BESIDES ME SEE THE DIFFERENCE?
Alabama, with resistance to unionization, and downward wage pressures from undocumented (illegal) workers has wqages that are 14% less than average. Unions PREVENT hiring illegal workers. THEY have the resources to investigate applicants.
Being a Union member is far more than the actualy FAIR PAY and BENEFITS... it is the sweat and tears and yes deaths of our forefathers who got tired of working for nothing, bowed over 10-12 hours a day and at the end of the week, couldnt even pay the bills... THEY are the HEROES!!!

Unions made it to where Employers had LAWS to go by on how to even treat an employee... it is detailed on pay, benefits, and ethics... and negotiated when the 2 parties decide on negotiations..

Union is not a bad thing, it is a good thing.. it keeps one from having to work 80 hours a week for five bucks an hour... allows more home time, gives benefits... health insurance, retirement, etc....

People who oppose Unions fall into 2 catagories... Either they ARE the fat cat unwilling to share anything (because they dont PAY anything and NO benefits) or they have been SO browbeat BY the fat cat, that they are afraid to even THINK Union...

But believe me, if YOUR job went Union, within a month YOU would be sighing with releif.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Being a Union member is far more than the actualy FAIR PAY and BENEFITS... it is the sweat and tears and yes deaths of our forefathers who got tired of working for nothing, bowed over 10-12 hours a day and at the end of the week, couldnt even pay the bills... THEY are the HEROES!!!

Unions made it to where Employers had LAWS to go by on how to even treat an employee... it is detailed on pay, benefits, and ethics... and negotiated when the 2 parties decide on negotiations..

Union is not a bad thing, it is a good thing.. it keeps one from having to work 80 hours a week for five bucks an hour... allows more home time, gives benefits... health insurance, retirement, etc....

People who oppose Unions fall into 2 catagories... Either they ARE the fat cat unwilling to share anything (because they dont PAY anything and NO benefits) or they have been SO browbeat BY the fat cat, that they are afraid to even THINK Union...

But believe me, if YOUR job went Union, within a month YOU would be sighing with releif.


POWERFUL WORDS AND THOUGHTS, Kindred Spirit. When people talk about our forfathers who fought and died for our Liberty, they should not forget the Men and Women who brought us fair Labor Practices. Some of them are remembered for Creating Public Schools, Walter Gruenau, and some for dying on picket lines or in kangaroo trials, or at the hands of Private Security Armies like the Pinkertons. Others, Like Walter Ruether are only remembered by people who have reason to recall the sweat shops.

Today, NAFTA, CAFTA, GAT, and Most Favored Nations agreements FAIL TO RECOGNIZE THE FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS OF PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE FACTORIES AND ON THE FARMS OF THE WORLD TO PROFIT FROM THEIR LABOR.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Being a Union member is far more than the actualy FAIR PAY and BENEFITS... it is the sweat and tears and yes deaths of our forefathers who got tired of working for nothing, bowed over 10-12 hours a day and at the end of the week, couldnt even pay the bills... THEY are the HEROES!!!

Unions made it to where Employers had LAWS to go by on how to even treat an employee... it is detailed on pay, benefits, and ethics... and negotiated when the 2 parties decide on negotiations..

Union is not a bad thing, it is a good thing.. it keeps one from having to work 80 hours a week for five bucks an hour... allows more home time, gives benefits... health insurance, retirement, etc....

People who oppose Unions fall into 2 catagories... Either they ARE the fat cat unwilling to share anything (because they dont PAY anything and NO benefits) or they have been SO browbeat BY the fat cat, that they are afraid to even THINK Union...

But believe me, if YOUR job went Union, within a month YOU would be sighing with releif.


POWERFUL WORDS AND THOUGHTS, Kindred Spirit. When people talk about our forfathers who fought and died for our Liberty, they should not forget the Men and Women who brought us fair Labor Practices. Some of them are remembered for Creating Public Schools, Walter Gruenau, and some for dying on picket lines or in kangaroo trials, or at the hands of Private Security Armies like the Pinkertons. Others, Like Walter Ruether are only remembered by people who have reason to recall the sweat shops.

Today, NAFTA, CAFTA, GAT, and Most Favored Nations agreements FAIL TO RECOGNIZE THE FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS OF PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE FACTORIES AND ON THE FARMS OF THE WORLD TO PROFIT FROM THEIR LABOR.


If every single working adult would read the history of how the Unions were organized and WHY, they would have different thoughts....

Businesses who threaten to close IF the employees vote in the Union are usually just threatening. They are GREEDY and want all the pie, just pass a crumb or two to the working person...

Thanks Ed, for the extra comments here!!
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NAFTA, CAFTA, GAT



NAFTA, CAFTA, GAT,You can thank BUSH,CLINTON,AND BUSH! You can thank these men for your jobs going to China.


PBA, I dont owe my THANKS to any politician.... I made my way in life myself, and I am thankful to be a PROUD member of an AMERICAN UNION!!! I am also proud of all the great men who fought so hard to make our jobs easier, not back breaking, and hours that we could tolerate as human beings... SWEAT SHOPS disappeared!

But what happened???? The FAT CAT decided he didnt want to share his pie, so he turned his back on the Union and paid far less than poverty level.... slaughtering what men fought so hard to accomplish.

THEN, the gov't got involved and started shipping all our jobs overseas... HMMMMMMM guess to where???? SWEAT SHOPS!!! They sleep at night believing that what they did was right because even though they are sweat shops, they are not OUR sweat shops.... or do they take sleeping pills? The polls aren't in on that yet!!!
You know, the one thing that stands out to me about this post and replys is the OVERWHELMING support of union jobs. Until the unions get some teeth again, and it will take a change of administration at the National level, we in the Shoals keep listening to the excuse by Forrest Wright, Mike Goins and SEDA that they are UNABLE to get good paying jobs in this are because of the UNION reputation that the Shoals has. BIG FAT LIARS AND THE LAIRS WHO TELL THEM! THE DOG
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NAFTA, CAFTA, GAT



NAFTA, CAFTA, GAT,You can thank BUSH,CLINTON,AND BUSH! You can thank these men for your jobs going to China.


PBA, I dont owe my THANKS to any politician.... I made my way in life myself, and I am thankful to be a PROUD member of an AMERICAN UNION!!! I am also proud of all the great men who fought so hard to make our jobs easier, not back breaking, and hours that we could tolerate as human beings... SWEAT SHOPS disappeared!

But what happened???? The FAT CAT decided he didnt want to share his pie, so he turned his back on the Union and paid far less than poverty level.... slaughtering what men fought so hard to accomplish.

THEN, the gov't got involved and started shipping all our jobs overseas... HMMMMMMM guess to where???? SWEAT SHOPS!!! They sleep at night believing that what they did was right because even though they are sweat shops, they are not OUR sweat shops.... or do they take sleeping pills? The polls aren't in on that yet!!!


I agree,Reagan appointed anti-union officials to the National Labor Relations Board, "implicitly [granting] employers permission to revive long shunned anti-union practices: decertify ing unions, outsourcing production, and hiring permanent replacements for striking workers" (102). Reagan himself pursued such a policy when he fired eleven thousand striking air traffic controllers in 1981.
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Being a Union member is far more than the actualy FAIR PAY and BENEFITS... it is the sweat and tears and yes deaths of our forefathers who got tired of working for nothing, bowed over 10-12 hours a day and at the end of the week, couldnt even pay the bills... THEY are the HEROES!!!

Unions made it to where Employers had LAWS to go by on how to even treat an employee... it is detailed on pay, benefits, and ethics... and negotiated when the 2 parties decide on negotiations..

Union is not a bad thing, it is a good thing.. it keeps one from having to work 80 hours a week for five bucks an hour... allows more home time, gives benefits... health insurance, retirement, etc....

People who oppose Unions fall into 2 catagories... Either they ARE the fat cat unwilling to share anything (because they dont PAY anything and NO benefits) or they have been SO browbeat BY the fat cat, that they are afraid to even THINK Union...

But believe me, if YOUR job went Union, within a month YOU would be sighing with releif.


POWERFUL WORDS AND THOUGHTS, Kindred Spirit. When people talk about our forfathers who fought and died for our Liberty, they should not forget the Men and Women who brought us fair Labor Practices. Some of them are remembered for Creating Public Schools, Walter Gruenau, and some for dying on picket lines or in kangaroo trials, or at the hands of Private Security Armies like the Pinkertons. Others, Like Walter Ruether are only remembered by people who have reason to recall the sweat shops.

Today, NAFTA, CAFTA, GAT, and Most Favored Nations agreements FAIL TO RECOGNIZE THE FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS OF PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE FACTORIES AND ON THE FARMS OF THE WORLD TO PROFIT FROM THEIR LABOR.


If every single working adult would read the history of how the Unions were organized and WHY, they would have different thoughts....

Businesses who threaten to close IF the employees vote in the Union are usually just threatening. They are GREEDY and want all the pie, just pass a crumb or two to the working person...

Thanks Ed, for the extra comments here!!

From reading the responses, I have to believe that I was not understood: HUMAN RIGHTS OF PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE FACTORIES AND ON THE FARMS OF THE WORLD TO PROFIT FROM THEIR LABOR. Does not refer to JUST American workers. It refers to the American Somoa Cannery workers and their 8000 dolla a year income. It refers to Chinese Factory workers and their 2000 dollar a year income. It refers to the Israeli factory women with their 12 hour days and 20 dollar wages...per day, not per hour. Our Trade Agreements lack two FUNDAMENTAL WORKER RIGHTS PROVISIONS. The right to unionize, and the right to a safe work environment.
That is why it is reasonable to call the Neo Conservatives FASCISTS. But, since they are not killing and jailing labor Unionist any more, calling them Nazis is over the top.
It is entirely reasonable, in a debate format, to REMIND FASCISTS THAT NAZIS WERE FACIST NATIONALISTS, WITH A DOCTRINE OF DOMINATION. Not much unlike the present day practitioners of the philosophy presented by Leo Strauss in the mid 20th Century. AFTER THE FALL OF THE THIRD REICH, AND DURING THE HAYDAY OF THE USSR.
[Quote] Sorry, I think there is a spelling teacher on here or two, or at least anal retentive posters: BIG FAT LIARS AND THE LIES THAT THEY TELL! (I hope I spelled LIARS right, the other shot is LYERS?) THE DOG[qoute]

Don't know what browser you use, but if will use Firefox it has a spell check plugin that works on forum pages. Besides, it's free and is a lot more secure that IE and doesn't want to check and be sure your not running bootleg software every time you turn around.
hey ever wonder why in the 1950s and 1960s the father could support the familly by himself? because union labor allows that.they also have helped woman to have better opportunities to compete for higher wages.but that power was stripped away by republican officials and now the power goes to the companies.now the average credit card debt for americans is 10,0000 dollars.what is wrong with the working man have a say so in the workforce.after all it is the workers that help the corporate ceo"s make the billionsthat they get. is it too much for the ones that labor physically should be able to have a half way comfortable lifestyle ? i say that GOD for organized labor, for the pay, for the safety, for the retirement, for the protection, and the brotherhood that unions offer.i am a PROUD member of the IBEW, for what it has given to me and my wife,my children. may GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS UNIONS AND THEIR MOTIVES.
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hey ever wonder why in the 1950s and 1960s the father could support the familly by himself? because union labor allows that.they also have helped woman to have better opportunities to compete for higher wages.but that power was stripped away by republican officials and now the power goes to the companies.now the average credit card debt for americans is 10,0000 dollars.what is wrong with the working man have a say so in the workforce.after all it is the workers that help the corporate ceo"s make the billionsthat they get. is it too much for the ones that labor physically should be able to have a half way comfortable lifestyle ? i say that GOD for organized labor, for the pay, for the safety, for the retirement, for the protection, and the brotherhood that unions offer.i am a PROUD member of the IBEW, for what it has given to me and my wife,my children. may GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS UNIONS AND THEIR MOTIVES.


AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN!!!!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Delldude:
Bamma shine: Take note: I have never used illegal drugs in my life, and worked in a unionized plant for 31 yrs, and NEVER ONCE saw anyone use drugs (other then prescribed medicines).(we had our fair share of DRUNK's as at any job site)
This Generalizing (on your part) about AMERICAN Union workers being Drugatic's and LAZY is nothing but anti-UNION absolute BULL-S--- rehtoric on your part and is not going to change anyones mind. GO AHEAD Mc.DONALDS, and WALLY WORLD LOVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU.


Sure you and some others maybe the exception. Bama Sunshine is correct in what she said though. I know personally some alcoholics and drug users that brag about getting messed up on the job site. They are union workers, electricians, pipe fitters, and boiler makers.

That is a fact not a generalization. I also know that they have been to arbitration hearings about there drug use. The union help them to keep there jobs after they got caught stealing and getting intoxicated on the job.



Sorry YO, I just don't believe that at all, unless you are talking about a small company who hires a few Union members who KNOW how to do the job.. Otherwise, there ARE ABSOLUTELY NO DRUGS at all on my site, and NO UNION Affiliated with us would EVER uphold a druggie or a pusher... NEVER would, or could that happen... never... and I have been a member of a Union, like I said for 27 years... and counting... Been MANY places, seen MANY FIRED for trying to get away with drugs, and the Union did NOT back them, not one single time.

Drugs have NO place on the jobsite, and there is ZERO tolerance about that where I work... and the ZERO tolerance is definitely been tested and won .... every time!!!!

well,maybe not on your jobsite,but,I am living proof that on numerous jobs,even TVA hydro plants,brothers protect brothers even in drugs.


If a 'brother' or 'sister' is so selfish to not want to be clean and safe on the jobsite, then why are you protecting them? THEY should be protecting YOU from their inability to function...

There are many people I work with and have worked with in the past and still do when they are in town that I like very much,... consider them great friends,... but when any one of them uses drugs and goes to a jobsite and EXPECT to be taken care of, that is just selfish and wrong... anyone who does that is an enabler to a drug problem.

HYDRO?? That is a dangerous job right from the start, and there are people willing to "protect brothers"... What if someone gets killed... What if they get caught in a gate in the wheelpit? What if they get YOU caught there? Or do you all just allow your 'brother' to go to the draft tube to sleep it off?

It is pretty dangerous to even think that people could work on a vertical unit and not worry that their "brother" is stoned... I am in shock about that!!!!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Delldude:
Bamma shine: Take note: I have never used illegal drugs in my life, and worked in a unionized plant for 31 yrs, and NEVER ONCE saw anyone use drugs (other then prescribed medicines).(we had our fair share of DRUNK's as at any job site)
This Generalizing (on your part) about AMERICAN Union workers being Drugatic's and LAZY is nothing but anti-UNION absolute BULL-S--- rehtoric on your part and is not going to change anyones mind. GO AHEAD Mc.DONALDS, and WALLY WORLD LOVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU.


Sure you and some others maybe the exception. Bama Sunshine is correct in what she said though. I know personally some alcoholics and drug users that brag about getting messed up on the job site. They are union workers, electricians, pipe fitters, and boiler makers.

That is a fact not a generalization. I also know that they have been to arbitration hearings about there drug use. The union help them to keep there jobs after they got caught stealing and getting intoxicated on the job.



Sorry YO, I just don't believe that at all, unless you are talking about a small company who hires a few Union members who KNOW how to do the job.. Otherwise, there ARE ABSOLUTELY NO DRUGS at all on my site, and NO UNION Affiliated with us would EVER uphold a druggie or a pusher... NEVER would, or could that happen... never... and I have been a member of a Union, like I said for 27 years... and counting... Been MANY places, seen MANY FIRED for trying to get away with drugs, and the Union did NOT back them, not one single time.

Drugs have NO place on the jobsite, and there is ZERO tolerance about that where I work... and the ZERO tolerance is definitely been tested and won .... every time!!!!

well,maybe not on your jobsite,but,I am living proof that on numerous jobs,even TVA hydro plants,brothers protect brothers even in drugs.


If a 'brother' or 'sister' is so selfish to not want to be clean and safe on the jobsite, then why are you protecting them? THEY should be protecting YOU from their inability to function...

There are many people I work with and have worked with in the past and still do when they are in town that I like very much,... consider them great friends,... but when any one of them uses drugs and goes to a jobsite and EXPECT to be taken care of, that is just selfish and wrong... anyone who does that is an enabler to a drug problem.

HYDRO?? That is a dangerous job right from the start, and there are people willing to "protect brothers"... What if someone gets killed... What if they get caught in a gate in the wheelpit? What if they get YOU caught there? Or do you all just allow your 'brother' to go to the draft tube to sleep it off?

It is pretty dangerous to even think that people could work on a vertical unit and not worry that their "brother" is stoned... I am in shock about that!!!!
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Never said you were, please re read the comment... You SHOULD be your "brother" or "Sister"s KEEPER while you are working... if anyone around you is stoned, they need to be GONE from the jobsite before they hurt or kill someone... Loads of DANGER on a lot of Union Sites... there is NO room for any sort of DRUG!!!
I am going to say this again, Average annual wage in the USA is Higher than it is in Alabama, and Arizona by the way. Alabama has a workforce that is just over 10% unionized, Slightly below the national average, unions raise wages, higher wages increase economic activity, greater economic activity improves the standard of living for most, including the super rich. Organized work forces are a benefit to the overall economic health of a city, state, and nation.
Greed does not improve the life of anyone, it just increases the possession of material things.
There are two things you recieve more of if you give them away, affection, and hatred.

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