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Originally posted by stupid people suck:
I just want peoples opinion on Unions. Are they really worth the money you pay in dues each week? Any comment or opinion about Unions is valuable..


As you might already know the rightwing republicans are not for the unions. In 1980 President Reagan took the union power away. I'm not sure about the power the union may have in a work place, but I'm sure its not as strong as it once was. you need to do a google on the histroy of the unions it tells alot.


Amidst the continued outpouring of praise for Ronald Reagan, let's not forget that he was one of the most anti-labor presidents in U.S. history, a role model for the virulently anti-labor George W. Bush.

Republican presidents never have had much regard for unions, which almost invariably have opposed their election. But until Reagan, no GOP president had dared to challenge labor's firm legal standing, gained through Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt in the mid-1930s.

Reagan's Republican predecessors treated union leaders much as they treated Democratic members of Congress -- as people to be fought with at times, but also as people to be bargained with at other times. But Reagan engaged in precious little bargaining. He waged almost continuous war against organized labor.

He had little apparent reason to fear labor politically, with opinion polls at the time showing that unions were opposed by nearly half of all Americans and that nearly half of those who belonged to the unions had voted for him in 1980 and again in 1984.

Reagan,in any case, was a true ideologue of the anti-labor political right. Yes, he had been president of the Screen Actors Guild, but he was notoriously pro-management, leading the way to a strike-ending agreement in 1959 that greatly weakened the union and finally resigning under membership pressure before his term ended.
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Max, you sound like the ol dog, just to tired to type or growl at 2 am. Had a bad case of "move overs" and just decided to get a glass of "water" since after all it is now officially Saturday. I take it from the posters screenname that they are young. I don't know why and I know I am being unPC about this, but just think this kid ain't been around or he, she or it (and when the hell did we have to start using that kind of disclaimer?) ain't been out in the world very much. I am no longer in a union. As a matter of fact, I don't even work for a company that is interested or will allow union talks. I DID work for South Central Bell, prior to AT&T break up and now the blessed remarraige, for 20 years in Birmingham (greatest city in Alabam, props to Randy Newman). Came back to Florence due mainly to divorce and my father dying and went to work for this abovementioned company who has seminars on how to crush union organizers. I sit through the meeting with a muzzle, I always come out of them feeling like I need a shower. I'm a UNION man, plain and simple. I KNOW the big corporations like the ones I work for don't want, can't stand, and are ONLY in this area because of the loss of Union strenght. It makes me sick to see the way they treat the hourly workers, but if I want to keep a job (and that ain't easy in FLorence Thanks to Forrest Wrong and his 10 year failure plan with SEDA, at least he gets HIS check!) I have to go along. Sometimes I come out of some of those meetings feeling like a 10 dollar ***** on 1st Ave N in B'ham. but what else can I do with 2 kids in college and a whole new set of mortgage payments? YEAH, ALWAYS LOOK FOR THE UNION LABEL, just about says how I feel. THE DOG
For over 20 years I have been a union member. The union job I have has provided a good life for myself as well as my family. As I go to work each day I try to explain to the younger generation that the hourly wage that they are making now, even though most are non-union, is because of union members who have worked to organize unions on their job sites. The prevailing wage today is because of union wages of the past. Companies now pay workers a pretty good wage to keep them from going union while at the same time keeping other benefits; overtime, insurance, pensions ..... The bottom line: Companies want more and more while taking it from the workers who do the work and provide the profit. A Union worker is usually a better worker in that he-she is more qualified and will be on the job for the future. If all Unions go away, so will all your benefits.
Unions used to be a good. However now they do more harm than good. Do you like paying $30,000 to 60,000 for a vehicle that is only worth $10,000. You can the union for that. Union workers say by American and then the turn around and shop at Wal-Mart.

Unions also insure that you keep drug user's on the job site. Companies are reluctant to fire drug users because of the union. The union will sue them if they fire a drug user. Unions protect lazy employees also.

Unions are no longer a good thing. They drive up the price of products as well as protect lazy drug heads.
I made a **** good living as a UNION WORKER, and still to this day support our Union's Brothers, and Sisters who are fighting a battle to save the middle class today, not only for them selves, but for those of you who dislike, and hate the Unions.
THe middle class was began by the Unions who only asked for a living wage, to live a more tolerable life, to also recieve benefits such as health care, and to eliminate on the job hazards just to name a few. And remember this, these BENEFIT's were not given to the workers ( as most companies like you to think )they were negotiated, and fought over for you by going on strike's,Plant takeover's and more. (READ about WALTER REUTHER" ( of course you Union hater's will say he was a Communist) but for more insight in to this matter, Read how Henry Ford fought to keep the Unions OUT by hiring GOON'S to use scare tactics to eliminiate the threat of anyone getting any of Fords outlandish Profits at that time.
After the Union won the right to be recognized as the bargining tool for the workers did Mr. Ford then realize that paying a $5.00 a day wage ( at that time ) did in fact make for a better invironment for every one, and in doing so increased profit's for Himself and his company. Also the workers at Ford actually then were able to purchase the fruits of their labor A NEW FORD AUTOMOBLILE.
Buy American Made product's (if you can find them) and put the American Worker back where he belongs. For the American Worker is the BEST in the WORLD bar none. Demand that YOUR government LEADER'S eliminate these "NAFTA","CAFTA" and every other **** thing that is made up to put the American worker out of work. Do it NOW!! before we're sold out to the highest bidder (if we already aren't)
Bamma shine: Take note: I have never used illegal drugs in my life, and worked in a unionized plant for 31 yrs, and NEVER ONCE saw anyone use drugs (other then prescribed medicines).(we had our fair share of DRUNK's as at any job site)
This Generalizing (on your part) about AMERICAN Union workers being Drugatic's and LAZY is nothing but anti-UNION absolute BULL-S--- rehtoric on your part and is not going to change anyones mind. GO AHEAD Mc.DONALDS, and WALLY WORLD LOVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
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Originally posted by stupid people suck:
I just want peoples opinion on Unions. Are they really worth the money you pay in dues each week? Any comment or opinion about Unions is valuable..


I heard a woman say just the other day ( about her dental ins.) think God for General Motors. Not a word about the UAW who got that Ins. for her, and who G M is destroying just as fast as they can. She really thinks G M cares about her teeth, pathetic.
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Originally posted by Delldude:
Bamma shine: Take note: I have never used illegal drugs in my life, and worked in a unionized plant for 31 yrs, and NEVER ONCE saw anyone use drugs (other then prescribed medicines).(we had our fair share of DRUNK's as at any job site)
This Generalizing (on your part) about AMERICAN Union workers being Drugatic's and LAZY is nothing but anti-UNION absolute BULL-S--- rehtoric on your part and is not going to change anyones mind. GO AHEAD Mc.DONALDS, and WALLY WORLD LOVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU.


Sure you and some others maybe the exception. Bama Sunshine is correct in what she said though. I know personally some alcoholics and drug users that brag about getting messed up on the job site. They are union workers, electricians, pipe fitters, and boiler makers.

That is a fact not a generalization. I also know that they have been to arbitration hearings about there drug use. The union help them to keep there jobs after they got caught stealing and getting intoxicated on the job.
I used to live in Russellville-moved to San Antonio, TX about 11 years ago-I wouldn't come back there for anything (except to organize Union)-all the bible belt Republicans with their ideals of keeping the poor "poor" while the rich get richer. I was a single mom trying to support 2 kids (while not getting child support from their dead-beat father-who still owes me over $75,000-but the judicial system?-thats another story)I worked in the poultry plants-the sewing plants and @ Wrangler & so wished I could have pulled a "norma ray" while there. I am so thankful and proud to be a Union member & officer now. No more abuse by supervisors & managers. People in this country need to wake up & see what is realy happening- jobs being eliminated-moved to other countries with cheap labor. All the work done by our fore-fathers that brought the labor movement in, being destroyed by Bush-backing rich folks that don't give a crap about people living from paycheck to paycheck, trying to raise families & just "live". All we do is ask for our FAIR-SHARE from the companies that we work for. The companies where CEO's are making millions & millions of dollars every year off of our hard working backs. As far as the idiot with the remarks about Union workers being lazy & being drug addicts? what are you a manager @ Walmart? Are you jealous? You are exactly what Union-busting officials like- stupid & uneducated. when you pull your head out of your butt & can speak intelligently about the subject-come back &
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Originally posted by fleaze:
I used to live in Russellville-moved to San Antonio, TX about 11 years ago-I wouldn't come back there for anything (except to organize Union)-all the bible belt Republicans with their ideals of keeping the poor "poor" while the rich get richer. I was a single mom trying to support 2 kids (while not getting child support from their dead-beat father-who still owes me over $75,000-but the judicial system?-thats another story)I worked in the poultry plants-the sewing plants and @ Wrangler & so wished I could have pulled a "norma ray" while there. I am so thankful and proud to be a Union member & officer now. No more abuse by supervisors & managers. People in this country need to wake up & see what is realy happening- jobs being eliminated-moved to other countries with cheap labor. All the work done by our fore-fathers that brought the labor movement in, being destroyed by Bush-backing rich folks that don't give a crap about people living from paycheck to paycheck, trying to raise families & just "live". All we do is ask for our FAIR-SHARE from the companies that we work for. The companies where CEO's are making millions & millions of dollars every year off of our hard working backs. As far as the idiot with the remarks about Union workers being lazy & being drug addicts? what are you a manager @ Walmart? Are you jealous? You are exactly what Union-busting officials like- stupid & uneducated. when you pull your head out of your butt & can speak intelligently about the subject-come back &


Amen! well said!
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by stupid people suck:
I just want peoples opinion on Unions. Are they really worth the money you pay in dues each week? Any comment or opinion about Unions is valuable..


As you might already know the rightwing republicans are not for the unions. In 1980 President Reagan took the union power away. I'm not sure about the power the union may have in a work place, but I'm sure its not as strong as it once was. you need to do a google on the histroy of the unions it tells alot.


Amidst the continued outpouring of praise for Ronald Reagan, let's not forget that he was one of the most anti-labor presidents in U.S. history, a role model for the virulently anti-labor George W. Bush.

Republican presidents never have had much regard for unions, which almost invariably have opposed their election. But until Reagan, no GOP president had dared to challenge labor's firm legal standing, gained through Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt in the mid-1930s.

Reagan's Republican predecessors treated union leaders much as they treated Democratic members of Congress -- as people to be fought with at times, but also as people to be bargained with at other times. But Reagan engaged in precious little bargaining. He waged almost continuous war against organized labor.

He had little apparent reason to fear labor politically, with opinion polls at the time showing that unions were opposed by nearly half of all Americans and that nearly half of those who belonged to the unions had voted for him in 1980 and again in 1984.

Reagan,in any case, was a true ideologue of the anti-labor political right. Yes, he had been president of the Screen Actors Guild, but he was notoriously pro-management, leading the way to a strike-ending agreement in 1959 that greatly weakened the union and finally resigning under membership pressure before his term ended.
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The poster asked for opinions about Unions, not a history lesson on them PBA, lol... OPINION, PBA, what do YOU think of Unions??? You do not have to google to form your own opininion, and besides, commenting is much more fun than googling, lol
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Originally posted by MADDOG 20/20:
Max, you sound like the ol dog, just to tired to type or growl at 2 am. Had a bad case of "move overs" and just decided to get a glass of "water" since after all it is now officially Saturday. I take it from the posters screenname that they are young. I don't know why and I know I am being unPC about this, but just think this kid ain't been around or he, she or it (and when the hell did we have to start using that kind of disclaimer?) ain't been out in the world very much. I am no longer in a union. As a matter of fact, I don't even work for a company that is interested or will allow union talks. I DID work for South Central Bell, prior to AT&T break up and now the blessed remarraige, for 20 years in Birmingham (greatest city in Alabam, props to Randy Newman). Came back to Florence due mainly to divorce and my father dying and went to work for this abovementioned company who has seminars on how to crush union organizers. I sit through the meeting with a muzzle, I always come out of them feeling like I need a shower. I'm a UNION man, plain and simple. I KNOW the big corporations like the ones I work for don't want, can't stand, and are ONLY in this area because of the loss of Union strenght. It makes me sick to see the way they treat the hourly workers, but if I want to keep a job (and that ain't easy in FLorence Thanks to Forrest Wrong and his 10 year failure plan with SEDA, at least he gets HIS check!) I have to go along. Sometimes I come out of some of those meetings feeling like a 10 dollar ***** on 1st Ave N in B'ham. but what else can I do with 2 kids in college and a whole new set of mortgage payments? YEAH, ALWAYS LOOK FOR THE UNION LABEL, just about says how I feel. THE DOG


Whoa..MADDOG, I am gonna have to get you involved in a UNION here!!!

I am Union and proud of it... Been a member for nearly 27 years, and there is NO way I could work for a non-union faction... They cheat, they crap on the working person, they do people so wrong it makes one wanna puke. And YES Republicans would LOVE to destroy the Unions, and Unions go democrat so they can regain their strength to try to take care of the "WORKING PERSON"...

Not going to get on a soapbox here, I will just say I LOVE being a Union Member, and thankful I got the opportunity to do so way back when!!!
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Originally posted by Bama Sunshine:
Unions used to be a good. However now they do more harm than good. Do you like paying $30,000 to 60,000 for a vehicle that is only worth $10,000. You can the union for that. Union workers say by American and then the turn around and shop at Wal-Mart.

Unions also insure that you keep drug user's on the job site. Companies are reluctant to fire drug users because of the union. The union will sue them if they fire a drug user. Unions protect lazy employees also.

Unions are no longer a good thing. They drive up the price of products as well as protect lazy drug heads.



When you make a comment like that, then PLEASE do NOT put it in a blanket statement.. because I personally know at least 200 people right now who DO NOT shop at Walmart, nor will they allow any of their family do it either... Slowly, BECAUSE OF UNIONS, and NOT MGR's, Walmart will either have to go back to AMERICAN MADE, or close.... whichever, makes no difference to me, ...

BUY ONLY AMERICAN... FROM AMERICANS!!!! If AMERICANS did this, no telling how great and UNITED our country would be.... instead of all the brainwashing by the Republican preachers who want to hold onto THEIR money at the mercy of a worker who gets NOTHING but dribble so they RICH CAN GET RICHER...

Yep, you gotta be a mgr somewhere, you definitely need your brain put back to the AMERICAN way of life...

There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that any drug user/pusher would be on the site I work, not even for a day.. they would be out the door, along with their 100,000 a year jog (with overtime).... THAT is just a 'brainwashed' statement.... and man, you sure are accusing some people of some things that may come back and bite ya...

Like I said above, I love my Union, and will defend what it stands for, and anyone who don't know anything about Unions or the operation thereof... do NOT google it and come back with history.... We MAKE history every day at work.
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Originally posted by interventor:
Unions in the Shoals area have a history of chasing away potential business. Hint, let the business move here, then unionize. Don't insist on unionization before business relocates.


That is just plain wrong!!! Alabama is a RIGHT TO WORK state, it is illegal for a Union to even approach a new business until AFTER the operations start, or didn't you know that Unions have to live by certain LAWS too???... sheesh.
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Bama Sunshine
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Posted 20 January 2007 08:06 AM Hide Post
Unions used to be a good. However now they do more harm than good. Do you like paying $30,000 to 60,000 for a vehicle that is only worth $10,000. You can the union for that. Union workers say by American and then the turn around and shop at Wal-Mart.

Unions also insure that you keep drug user's on the job site. Companies are reluctant to fire drug users because of the union. The union will sue them if they fire a drug user. Unions protect lazy employees also

What in the WORLD are you talking about and WHERE did you get your info. Tell me ANY car that can be built for 10,000 with an asking price of 30K? There are some out their like Suzuki. Have you driven one of those "plastic" mobiles? As for the drug use. WHAT? I don't even know why I am replying to this! As Emily Latella used to say on Saturday Night Live: NEVERMIND! This is so stupid, I don't even need to use these ol fingers on it but I could use one if I were to hear you say this to me personally. THE DOG
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Originally posted by auburnfan093:
I am a member of the Machinists Local Lodge #65.
Yes, without a doubt, Union dues are worth every cent. I have only been a member for four years. How I wish I had become a member sooner.

If you want better wages and benifits, get off your butts and get your training/apprenticeship done, and get in a union.



WoooHooo, auburnfan093!!!! You are EXACTLY right... where else you gonna start out 60,000 MINIMUM, with no overtime??? With overtime, another 30k-40k added...

You GO Boy!!!! You are right!!!
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fleaze

I think that after reading your post your screen name should be FLOOZIE. You really write like you have an College education. (LOL) You must me a loser. A loser that gave up and left and won't come back to North Alabama until someone else(a union) makes it a better situation for you to come home. You picked a bad mate( probably married after a one night stand) and you think you are some body special.

I'm a business owner and my father was a union member most all of his adult life. He has the same opinion about the unions as I do. I guess that is enough said. Go spend your money on goods made in another country! LOSER
Unions represent a great institution in America, providing a balance for people when management or groups of employers become so strong that they can dictate conditions of employment without respect for individual human rights. Many would relish to say that we already have all of these rights and laws to protect workers and to this I would say this. You can make all the laws and regs you desire but without enforcement in each and every workplace, they are only words and words without support are meaningless. So, goes the coined "Alabama expression---talk is cheap!" Unions are not needed in every workplace or establishment and will not normally exist there because of the size. But when the size of the employer exceeds some magic number of employees, a union is needed because the managers are not always as ethical or morally subscribed as they should be. Everyone is not nice and not everyone is fair. King Solomon and Jesus Christ are no longer in the flesh and they could never have been in every job site. Unions provide a necessary "joining" of thoughts and ideas which were the design of our great standing Constitution and that of our founding fathers. It is a shame that people make judgements about ideas and organizations through ignorance and biased research lacking knowledge, heart and experience; but it is the reality of man that we are imperfect and therefore destined to err.

I threw this out as a level statement not to be mocked, criticized nor even agreed with. My opinions are mine and mine alone. If you are convinced that unions are bad, then you probably formed your opinion without really knowing why you feel this, or you tried to get into a trade union at some point and were not successful. If that is the case, it is no one's fault but your own as persistence is the reward to being stubborn and being stubborn is not bad, as it is also known as fortitude which is virtue.
I am proud of the Shoals and it's long history of supporting organized labor. In fact if you live in the Shoals, you can thank God for labor unions. Were it not for labor unions the Shoals would not exist at this moment because 71% of the gross local product of the Shoals is represented by retirement income forged by men and women who worked and toiled all their lives and now enjoy ABOVE-AVERAGE retirement income.

You know what is the big question? How is the Shoals going to survive once my generation (the WWII baby boomers) dies? Because we are the last of those to earn from those beneficial plants and factories that were unionized. Oh, and so you will not think my comments are totally biased. I am still working...not in the union...have not worked a union job for 20 years...and I am not retired. But any employer which mistreats its employees deserves a union, and so do his workers!..............
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Originally posted by Yo Brotha from anotha Motha:
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Originally posted by Delldude:
Bamma shine: Take note: I have never used illegal drugs in my life, and worked in a unionized plant for 31 yrs, and NEVER ONCE saw anyone use drugs (other then prescribed medicines).(we had our fair share of DRUNK's as at any job site)
This Generalizing (on your part) about AMERICAN Union workers being Drugatic's and LAZY is nothing but anti-UNION absolute BULL-S--- rehtoric on your part and is not going to change anyones mind. GO AHEAD Mc.DONALDS, and WALLY WORLD LOVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU.


Sure you and some others maybe the exception. Bama Sunshine is correct in what she said though. I know personally some alcoholics and drug users that brag about getting messed up on the job site. They are union workers, electricians, pipe fitters, and boiler makers.

That is a fact not a generalization. I also know that they have been to arbitration hearings about there drug use. The union help them to keep there jobs after they got caught stealing and getting intoxicated on the job.


Sorry YO, I just don't believe that at all, unless you are talking about a small company who hires a few Union members who KNOW how to do the job.. Otherwise, there ARE ABSOLUTELY NO DRUGS at all on my site, and NO UNION Affiliated with us would EVER uphold a druggie or a pusher... NEVER would, or could that happen... never... and I have been a member of a Union, like I said for 27 years... and counting... Been MANY places, seen MANY FIRED for trying to get away with drugs, and the Union did NOT back them, not one single time.

Drugs have NO place on the jobsite, and there is ZERO tolerance about that where I work... and the ZERO tolerance is definitely been tested and won .... every time!!!!
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Originally posted by MADDOG 20/20:
Max, you sound like the ol dog, just to tired to type or growl at 2 am. Had a bad case of "move overs" and just decided to get a glass of "water" since after all it is now officially Saturday. I take it from the posters screenname that they are young. I don't know why and I know I am being unPC about this, but just think this kid ain't been around or he, she or it (and when the hell did we have to start using that kind of disclaimer?) ain't been out in the world very much. I am no longer in a union. As a matter of fact, I don't even work for a company that is interested or will allow union talks. I DID work for South Central Bell, prior to AT&T break up and now the blessed remarraige, for 20 years in Birmingham (greatest city in Alabam, props to Randy Newman). Came back to Florence due mainly to divorce and my father dying and went to work for this abovementioned company who has seminars on how to crush union organizers. I sit through the meeting with a muzzle, I always come out of them feeling like I need a shower. I'm a UNION man, plain and simple. I KNOW the big corporations like the ones I work for don't want, can't stand, and are ONLY in this area because of the loss of Union strenght. It makes me sick to see the way they treat the hourly workers, but if I want to keep a job (and that ain't easy in FLorence Thanks to Forrest Wrong and his 10 year failure plan with SEDA, at least he gets HIS check!) I have to go along. Sometimes I come out of some of those meetings feeling like a 10 dollar ***** on 1st Ave N in B'ham. but what else can I do with 2 kids in college and a whole new set of mortgage payments? YEAH, ALWAYS LOOK FOR THE UNION LABEL, just about says how I feel. THE DOG


Whoa..MADDOG, I am gonna have to get you involved in a UNION here!!!

Kindred; technically I am still in the CWA since my 401 and pension is still there. As I stated, when I moved back here, there wasn't a position for me like the one I had with South Central Bell so I took an "early" retirement but that wasn't enough to pay the bills, so I went to work at a non-union organization. I'm with you all the way! And I DON'T shop at Wal-Mart, I think we have already discussed that earlier. Just keep the job you got and be thankful that "you don't scare me, I'm in the Union!' THE DOG
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Originally posted by Delldude:
I made a **** good living as a UNION WORKER, and still to this day support our Union's Brothers, and Sisters who are fighting a battle to save the middle class today, not only for them selves, but for those of you who dislike, and hate the Unions.
THe middle class was began by the Unions who only asked for a living wage, to live a more tolerable life, to also recieve benefits such as health care, and to eliminate on the job hazards just to name a few. And remember this, these BENEFIT's were not given to the workers ( as most companies like you to think )they were negotiated, and fought over for you by going on strike's,Plant takeover's and more. (READ about WALTER REUTHER" ( of course you Union hater's will say he was a Communist) but for more insight in to this matter, Read how Henry Ford fought to keep the Unions OUT by hiring GOON'S to use scare tactics to eliminiate the threat of anyone getting any of Fords outlandish Profits at that time.
After the Union won the right to be recognized as the bargining tool for the workers did Mr. Ford then realize that paying a $5.00 a day wage ( at that time ) did in fact make for a better invironment for every one, and in doing so increased profit's for Himself and his company. Also the workers at Ford actually then were able to purchase the fruits of their labor A NEW FORD AUTOMOBLILE.
Buy American Made product's (if you can find them) and put the American Worker back where he belongs. For the American Worker is the BEST in the WORLD bar none. Demand that YOUR government LEADER'S eliminate these "NAFTA","CAFTA" and every other **** thing that is made up to put the American worker out of work. Do it NOW!! before we're sold out to the highest bidder (if we already aren't)


STANDS UP and APPLAUDS DELLDUDE!!!! Wonderful summary!!!

There were many men, who not only fought for our rights, but died for them, ... and no I dont mean the Military, I mean the UNIONS... Blood, Sweat and tears went into getting wages to the point people could RAISE their kids OUT of the slums... have health insurance and retirement benefits.

Like DELLDUDE said, Unions CREATED the middle class people, and there are so many...many who just listen to what their bosses say, who don't like the Union, who is sitting there, making 10 bucks an hour, no benefits, but no way will they even THINK Union because their boss told them not to, they would get fired,... seen and heard THAT happen more times than I can remember...

If not for the forefathers of our Unions, (who fought with thier own blood, thier own sweat and their tears from their bad days), we would still be in Sweat Shops, being treated like underclassed citizens, with no benefits (YIKES, THAT IS HAPPENING AGAIN RIGHT HERE!!!) ... now THAT IS WHAT YOUR RICH REPUBLICANS do for you!!! They make you THINK Unions are bad, when Unions are the cushion between making a career and falling off the radar...

If people stay on the train of thought that is that Unions are bad, then sweat shops, no retirement, no health care, no dental care, no life insurance available and wages too low to raise a faily will return and it will take years to recover from it.
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Originally posted by Delldude:
Bamma shine: Take note: I have never used illegal drugs in my life, and worked in a unionized plant for 31 yrs, and NEVER ONCE saw anyone use drugs (other then prescribed medicines).(we had our fair share of DRUNK's as at any job site)
This Generalizing (on your part) about AMERICAN Union workers being Drugatic's and LAZY is nothing but anti-UNION absolute BULL-S--- rehtoric on your part and is not going to change anyones mind. GO AHEAD Mc.DONALDS, and WALLY WORLD LOVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU.




YAY!!!! That was work repeating, so I hit the reply button... I am just like you... and even the drunks have disappered through the work week now with random testing and zero tolerance... Big Grin
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Originally posted by fleaze:
I used to live in Russellville-moved to San Antonio, TX about 11 years ago-I wouldn't come back there for anything (except to organize Union)-all the bible belt Republicans with their ideals of keeping the poor "poor" while the rich get richer. I was a single mom trying to support 2 kids (while not getting child support from their dead-beat father-who still owes me over $75,000-but the judicial system?-thats another story)I worked in the poultry plants-the sewing plants and @ Wrangler & so wished I could have pulled a "norma ray" while there. I am so thankful and proud to be a Union member & officer now. No more abuse by supervisors & managers. People in this country need to wake up & see what is realy happening- jobs being eliminated-moved to other countries with cheap labor. All the work done by our fore-fathers that brought the labor movement in, being destroyed by Bush-backing rich folks that don't give a crap about people living from paycheck to paycheck, trying to raise families & just "live". All we do is ask for our FAIR-SHARE from the companies that we work for. The companies where CEO's are making millions & millions of dollars every year off of our hard working backs. As far as the idiot with the remarks about Union workers being lazy & being drug addicts? what are you a manager @ Walmart? Are you jealous? You are exactly what Union-busting officials like- stupid & uneducated. when you pull your head out of your butt & can speak intelligently about the subject-come back &


THANK YOU FLEAZE!!!! What a great story, but is your family here? Is there any way that any of us might HELP you get to be part of a Union that you have experience with so you can come HOME??? Or is San Antonio now your home???

You tell a story of the TRUTH about Unions, and I thank you so much for your informative comment!!!!
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Originally posted by Bama Sunshine:
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fleaze

I think that after reading your post your screen name should be FLOOZIE. You really write like you have an College education. (LOL) You must me a loser. A loser that gave up and left and won't come back to North Alabama until someone else(a union) makes it a better situation for you to come home. You picked a bad mate( probably married after a one night stand) and you think you are some body special.

I'm a business owner and my father was a union member most all of his adult life. He has the same opinion about the unions as I do. I guess that is enough said. Go spend your money on goods made in another country! LOSER


Bamasunshine... I liked some of your past comments, but this one was the most horrible I have ever seen... there was absolutely NO reason for that attack, and the Admins of this site should remove it!!!!!

How NASTY and MISERABLE your life must REALLY be for you to say such horrible things to a woman that is only trying to do what is best for her kids...

Talk about SORRY MEN!!!! It is mostly SORRY MEN who forced women to go out to seek the best paying jobs they can find ... because if the SORRY MAN had of been paying child support for those children, then maybe she wouldnt have had to travel so far to make a living for her kid...

That was just plain a sorry, mean, cruel and abusive comment, not to mention reeking with sexual harassment...

Do you do the women that work for your company this way???? IF you do, then you better be glad I don't work for you, because I DO know the laws, ALL OF THEM about these subjects!!!

You owe this heroic lady an apology, .... What you said, and the way you said it was just flat WRONG!!!!!
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Originally posted by fleaze:
I used to live in Russellville-moved to San Antonio, TX about 11 years ago-I wouldn't come back there for anything (except to organize Union)-all the bible belt Republicans with their ideals of keeping the poor "poor" while the rich get richer. I was a single mom trying to support 2 kids (while not getting child support from their dead-beat father-who still owes me over $75,000-but the judicial system?-thats another story)I worked in the poultry plants-the sewing plants and @ Wrangler & so wished I could have pulled a "norma ray" while there. I am so thankful and proud to be a Union member & officer now. No more abuse by supervisors & managers. People in this country need to wake up & see what is realy happening- jobs being eliminated-moved to other countries with cheap labor. All the work done by our fore-fathers that brought the labor movement in, being destroyed by Bush-backing rich folks that don't give a crap about people living from paycheck to paycheck, trying to raise families & just "live". All we do is ask for our FAIR-SHARE from the companies that we work for. The companies where CEO's are making millions & millions of dollars every year off of our hard working backs. As far as the idiot with the remarks about Union workers being lazy & being drug addicts? what are you a manager @ Walmart? Are you jealous? You are exactly what Union-busting officials like- stupid & uneducated. when you pull your head out of your butt & can speak intelligently about the subject-come back &



FLEAZE... even AFTER all my comments, I STILL applaud your courage... I have a story similar to yours, and I can relate to what you wrote.

I applaud your efforts to stay OFF welfare and take care of your kids.... I did the same thing,...

I applaud your efforts AND your courage to just move to a better place...

I sincerly applaud you, and you would make a GREAT Norma Rae.... want help??? Smiler
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Originally posted by MADDOG 20/20:
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Originally posted by MADDOG 20/20:
Max, you sound like the ol dog, just to tired to type or growl at 2 am. Had a bad case of "move overs" and just decided to get a glass of "water" since after all it is now officially Saturday. I take it from the posters screenname that they are young. I don't know why and I know I am being unPC about this, but just think this kid ain't been around or he, she or it (and when the hell did we have to start using that kind of disclaimer?) ain't been out in the world very much. I am no longer in a union. As a matter of fact, I don't even work for a company that is interested or will allow union talks. I DID work for South Central Bell, prior to AT&T break up and now the blessed remarraige, for 20 years in Birmingham (greatest city in Alabam, props to Randy Newman). Came back to Florence due mainly to divorce and my father dying and went to work for this abovementioned company who has seminars on how to crush union organizers. I sit through the meeting with a muzzle, I always come out of them feeling like I need a shower. I'm a UNION man, plain and simple. I KNOW the big corporations like the ones I work for don't want, can't stand, and are ONLY in this area because of the loss of Union strenght. It makes me sick to see the way they treat the hourly workers, but if I want to keep a job (and that ain't easy in FLorence Thanks to Forrest Wrong and his 10 year failure plan with SEDA, at least he gets HIS check!) I have to go along. Sometimes I come out of some of those meetings feeling like a 10 dollar ***** on 1st Ave N in B'ham. but what else can I do with 2 kids in college and a whole new set of mortgage payments? YEAH, ALWAYS LOOK FOR THE UNION LABEL, just about says how I feel. THE DOG


Whoa..MADDOG, I am gonna have to get you involved in a UNION here!!!

Kindred; technically I am still in the CWA since my 401 and pension is still there. As I stated, when I moved back here, there wasn't a position for me like the one I had with South Central Bell so I took an "early" retirement but that wasn't enough to pay the bills, so I went to work at a non-union organization. I'm with you all the way! And I DON'T shop at Wal-Mart, I think we have already discussed that earlier. Just keep the job you got and be thankful that "you don't scare me, I'm in the Union!' THE DOG



MADDOG... I am with you bro!!!! You are one of my new heroes... I have a few on here, and they know who they are, but you are one of my new ones, lol...

FLEAZE you TOO are one of my newest hero's too!!!!
Hey Bama Sunshine- get a life- you say your a business owner? Ha- what kind of business do you have? port-a-potties? cause your full of SHI_!! And yes, I do have a college education and yes I gave up & left there-I wanted a better life for me & my children and because as we all can see, there are too many stupid-rednecks like yourself that are buying into the governments' ideals and brainwashing there! As far as attacking me saying I am a floozie and that I married after a one night stand? ..wow the hostility....your the obvious loser..not worth even addressing it...if your dad was a union member and he has the same opinions as you (maybe he was one of the drug addicts you spoke of) sounds to me like he got into trouble & the Union he was in couldn't help him-maybe he was a SCAB- Unions help people who need it-I go out of my way to buy American and I am proud to represent 160 employees in my Union-CWA-and yes all those employees that I have helped over the years??? they think I'm special!!! Wink
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Originally posted by fleaze:
Hey Bama Sunshine- get a life- you say your a business owner? Ha- what kind of business do you have? port-a-potties? cause your full of SHI_!! And yes, I do have a college education and yes I gave up & left there-I wanted a better life for me & my children and because as we all can see, there are too many stupid-rednecks like yourself that are buying into the governments' ideals and brainwashing there! As far as attacking me saying I am a floozie and that I married after a one night stand? ..wow the hostility....your the obvious loser..not worth even addressing it...if your dad was a union member and he has the same opinions as you (maybe he was one of the drug addicts you spoke of) sounds to me like he got into trouble & the Union he was in couldn't help him-maybe he was a SCAB- Unions help people who need it-I go out of my way to buy American and I am proud to represent 160 employees in my Union-CWA-and yes all those employees that I have helped over the years??? they think I'm special!!! Wink



YOU GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GIRL!!!!!!! You ARE special!

I bet Bamasunshine runs a sweat shop and pays five bucks an hour, with no benefits ... he TALKS the talk, so he is bound to WALK the walk!!!
thanks for standing up Kindred_Spirit and defending me, but its ok, I don't need bama sunshine's apology-he-she-it-is just another one of those un-educated loud-mouth people that think they know everything about everything. The original question was posed about what people think of Unions- I was just posting my real experience opinion & got attacked....gee sounds like the typical boss from Alabama doesn't it?????
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Originally posted by fleaze:
thanks for standing up Kindred_Spirit and defending me, but its ok, I don't need bama sunshine's apology-he-she-it-is just another one of those un-educated loud-mouth people that think they know everything about everything. The original question was posed about what people think of Unions- I was just posting my real experience opinion & got attacked....gee sounds like the typical boss from Alabama doesn't it?????


Basically YES, he does sound like a typical boss here... but not one single boss I have or have EVER had at my UNION job has ever behaved in that manner, nor talked like that to the men or the women!! I work for REAL men, guess that is the difference Wink
fleaze, ... across the top here, where it says GO, NEW, FIND, NOTIFY, REPLY, and then a yellow arrow, look beside it, it will have a little blinking box, that means I sent you a private message... When TimesDaily first added that feature here, I had a private message that was nearly a week old because I just didn't notice it... lol!
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Originally posted by stupid people suck:
I just want peoples opinion on Unions. Are they really worth the money you pay in dues each week? Any comment or opinion about Unions is valuable..


If you think Churches are valuable you have to think unions are valuable. THEY BOTH SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE, PROTECTING PEOPLE FROM EXPLOITATION.
They really do don't they?
HERE IS A TRUTH. TAKE IT TO THE BANK, OR THE GRAVE.

Weakness is exploited.
ANY WEAKNESS, ANY WHERE.

Money is Power.
PERIOD.
MONEY IS POWER.
POWER EXPLOITS WEAKNESS

THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS. UNITY IS STRENGTH. Union Workers are not exploited by the management of companies. And, if they are exploited by the management of the Union, with excessive dues for example. It is time to change the MANAGEMENT, not kill the organization.

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