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Ron Paul is going to introduce a bill with co-sponsor Barney Frank to decriminalize marijuana at the federal level, fully establishing him as a full-on Right Wing Wacko.  

The social conservatives are 10% of the Repub base, and they are not satisfied with anything less than a war on drugs, no matter that we have about 700,000 people locked up for smoking a weed that God made. 

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 i'm not interested in smoking pot. i don't care if i ever see pot again as long as i live. i just plain old have no use for it.

 

however, it seems financially and morally and socially stupid to keep throwing away money year after year... they spend 10's of millions of dollars to remove hundreds of thousands of doallrs in of pot from the street... then spend millions more to imprison the people who put it there.

 

even without the medical advantages people get from smoking it, it's time to stop wasting money on a 'war on drugs' that we will NEVER win, because lawmakers have forgotten how to play hardball.

 

maybe ron paul isn't as much of a spaz as i thought he was.....

The US spent at least $15billion on the War on Drugs last year, not including all the aid we give to Mexico, Columbia, Astan, and others in an effort to get farmers to grow something other than drug crops. Not including the cost of incarcerating about 500,000 people.  Not including the cost of prosecuting 800,000 drug offenses, of which 400,000 are for marijuana. 

 

After 40 years, the United States' war on drugs has cost $1 trillion and hundreds of thousands of lives, and for what? Drug use is rampant and violence even more brutal and widespread.

 

 Can we just add that to the Reagan deficit pile, meaning Reagan increased the National debt by 400%.

Last edited by Mr.Dittohead
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

The US spent at least $15billion on the War on Drugs last year, not including all the aid we give to Mexico, Columbia, Astan, and others in an effort to get farmers to grow something other than drug crops. Not including the cost of incarcerating about 500,000 people.  Not including the cost of prosecuting 800,000 drug offenses, of which 400,000 are for marijuana. 

 

After 40 years, the United States' war on drugs has cost $1 trillion and hundreds of thousands of lives, and for what? Drug use is rampant and violence even more brutal and widespread.

 

 Can we just add that to the Reagan deficit pile, meaning Reagan increased the National debt by 400%.


Dang Juan, we may have found some common ground, how did that happen?

I've long taken the conservative view of the drug war sporsored by WF Buckley. Slow and careful decriminalization of first, pot. Rather, like how alcohol was brought back -- beer first, then the hard stuff, later. Let the states decide what level of use/nonuse is suitable to their citizens, Eventually, taxation like alcohol and tobacco.  Tobacco is legal, but the number of users has dropped as the health problems were revealed.  Its the unknown and forebidden that's always attractive to people, especially, the young.

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Ron Paul is going to introduce a bill with co-sponsor Barney Frank to decriminalize marijuana at the federal level, fully establishing him as a full-on Right Wing Wacko.  

The social conservatives are 10% of the Repub base, and they are not satisfied with anything less than a war on drugs, no matter that we have about 700,000 people locked up for smoking a weed that God made. 

 

Does that make Barney Frank a full-on Right Wing Wacko too?  Only you could insult and agree at the same time.

 

I suppose if your political views don't fall within the acceptable Mitt Romney - Hillary Clinton range...then of course you're a wacko!  I'll take the wacko everytime.

 

I know the "Right Wing Wackos" have a long tradition of opposing the drug war...(sarcasm)...

 

You're correct to support Ron Paul's long held veiw of ending the Federal drug war...your political and historical analysis continue to leave much to be desired.

 

Right or left, if you support the Constitution you should support the ending of Federal drug laws...or an amendment.  The progressives of the early 20th century were misguided about legislating morality with prohibition, but they were Constitutionally sound by seeking an amendment.

 

If you believe in personal liberty and personal sovereignty, you should support leaving other people alone to live their lives.

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Nervermind.  I was just making the observation that Paul is not serious about getting the nomination.  Paul is to marijuana as Romney is to healthcare: Nomination stoppers.  The Repubs still do not have a single candidate with a prayer at winning a national election. 

 

Well you are right and wrong...No Paul will not get the nomination, but yet he sticks to what he believes...very rare in Washington and the very reason he is so highly regarded and respected by those who believe in liberty, the Constitution, rule of law, etc. 

 

It's also why he is so reviled by statist of both parties that don't want the debate to go outside of the "acceptable" range...i.e. the Romney - Clinton range.

As far as winning "a national election" ...a recent poll showed Ron Paul the republican that would come closest to defeating Obama...but as you correctly point out, he'll never get the nomination.

 

 

Originally Posted by Renegade Nation:
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Nervermind.  I was just making the observation that Paul is not serious about getting the nomination.  Paul is to marijuana as Romney is to healthcare: Nomination stoppers.  The Repubs still do not have a single candidate with a prayer at winning a national election. 

 

Well you are right and wrong...No Paul will not get the nomination, but yet he sticks to what he believes...very rare in Washington and the very reason he is so highly regarded and respected by those who believe in liberty, the Constitution, rule of law, etc. 

 

It's also why he is so reviled by statist of both parties that don't want the debate to go outside of the "acceptable" range...i.e. the Romney - Clinton range.

As far as winning "a national election" ...a recent poll showed Ron Paul the republican that would come closest to defeating Obama...but as you correctly point out, he'll never get the nomination.

 

 

"A recent poll showed...." usually come before a lie.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by Renegade Nation:
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Nervermind.  I was just making the observation that Paul is not serious about getting the nomination.  Paul is to marijuana as Romney is to healthcare: Nomination stoppers.  The Repubs still do not have a single candidate with a prayer at winning a national election. 

 

Well you are right and wrong...No Paul will not get the nomination, but yet he sticks to what he believes...very rare in Washington and the very reason he is so highly regarded and respected by those who believe in liberty, the Constitution, rule of law, etc. 

 

It's also why he is so reviled by statist of both parties that don't want the debate to go outside of the "acceptable" range...i.e. the Romney - Clinton range.

As far as winning "a national election" ...a recent poll showed Ron Paul the republican that would come closest to defeating Obama...but as you correctly point out, he'll never get the nomination.

 

 

"A recent poll showed...." usually come before a lie.

 

I didn't know you were google challenged...You may not agree with my opinions...fine...but I don't lie ****head...

 

Surprise Poll: Ron Paul Has Best Chance to Beat Obama

 

"Who does best against Obama? Paul. The congressman from Texas, who also ran as a libertarian candidate for president in 1988 and who is well liked by many in the tea party movement, trails the president by only seven points (52 to 45 percent) in a hypothetical general election showdown."

 

 

Originally Posted by Renegade Nation:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by Renegade Nation:
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Nervermind.  I was just making the observation that Paul is not serious about getting the nomination.  Paul is to marijuana as Romney is to healthcare: Nomination stoppers.  The Repubs still do not have a single candidate with a prayer at winning a national election. 

 

Well you are right and wrong...No Paul will not get the nomination, but yet he sticks to what he believes...very rare in Washington and the very reason he is so highly regarded and respected by those who believe in liberty, the Constitution, rule of law, etc. 

 

It's also why he is so reviled by statist of both parties that don't want the debate to go outside of the "acceptable" range...i.e. the Romney - Clinton range.

As far as winning "a national election" ...a recent poll showed Ron Paul the republican that would come closest to defeating Obama...but as you correctly point out, he'll never get the nomination.

 

 

"A recent poll showed...." usually come before a lie.

 

I didn't know you were google challenged...You may not agree with my opinions...fine...but I don't lie ****head...

 

Surprise Poll: Ron Paul Has Best Chance to Beat Obama

 

"Who does best against Obama? Paul. The congressman from Texas, who also ran as a libertarian candidate for president in 1988 and who is well liked by many in the tea party movement, trails the president by only seven points (52 to 45 percent) in a hypothetical general election showdown."

 

 

People lie using polls every day. At this point, the polls are meaningless.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by Renegade Nation:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by Renegade Nation:
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Nervermind.  I was just making the observation that Paul is not serious about getting the nomination.  Paul is to marijuana as Romney is to healthcare: Nomination stoppers.  The Repubs still do not have a single candidate with a prayer at winning a national election. 

 

Well you are right and wrong...No Paul will not get the nomination, but yet he sticks to what he believes...very rare in Washington and the very reason he is so highly regarded and respected by those who believe in liberty, the Constitution, rule of law, etc. 

 

It's also why he is so reviled by statist of both parties that don't want the debate to go outside of the "acceptable" range...i.e. the Romney - Clinton range.

As far as winning "a national election" ...a recent poll showed Ron Paul the republican that would come closest to defeating Obama...but as you correctly point out, he'll never get the nomination.

 

 

"A recent poll showed...." usually come before a lie.

 

I didn't know you were google challenged...You may not agree with my opinions...fine...but I don't lie ****head...

 

Surprise Poll: Ron Paul Has Best Chance to Beat Obama

 

"Who does best against Obama? Paul. The congressman from Texas, who also ran as a libertarian candidate for president in 1988 and who is well liked by many in the tea party movement, trails the president by only seven points (52 to 45 percent) in a hypothetical general election showdown."

 

 

People lie using polls every day. At this point, the polls are meaningless.

Ron Paul has no chance to get the Republican nomination; therefore, he has no chance to beat Obama. If he can really beat Obama, he should run as an Independent, thus assuring the reelection of Obama.

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