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US generals ‘will quit’ if Bush orders Iran attack :

SOME of America’s most senior military commanders are prepared to resign if the White House orders a military strike against Iran, according to highly placed defence and intelligence sources.
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Don't you get tired of these people who reply to someone posting against the Iraq war that somehow you are attacking the soldiers when you disagree with this administration. Mindless Rush Limbaugh drones. Typical Bush Karl Rowe bull. It's a shame that Bush and Cheney have turned the middle east over to the radical shiites because of this incompetent handling of this sidetrack from the war on terror. Now that we have tilted the power of balance to Iran and the Shiite islamists soon they will take aim on the sunni Saudi Arabia. You Republican war appologists get ready to pay 10.00 a gallon for gas in a few years. And please there was no terrorist that threatened us in Iraq until we got rid of Sadaam. Stick to Afghanistan and chasing the actual terrorist where they are in northern Pakistan. If Bush really wants to fight terrorist why doesn't he look in northern Pakistan.
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Originally posted by inthered:
It sounds like none of you have a backbone. The ones with the backbone are fighting for your rights while you sit back and suck off the government teat and complain. what a bunch of losers.


Now Now... Calm down, go to the blackboard and make us all a LIST of WHAT rights we have in Iraq???

As an American Citizen, I have rights, oh yeah I do... RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA!!!

And I heard that Gen. say what he said on the News, and if you are still too S*L*O*W to GET IT, then let me talk a little slower for you.

We are NOT belitting the Troops in ANY way, we love them as dearly as you do.

And as far as BACKBONE is concerned... well, sticking with GWB's sinking ship shows how spinless about 28% of the American population truly is!!!!

Those of us who sees THROUGH what DUBBYA is doing, and has been for over 4 years now is PROTECTING HIS OIL INTERESTS and GETTING MONEY MONEY MONEY for sending us to Iraq.

We should be in Afganastan looking for Bin Laden, but since I am sick of the history lesson today, all I shall say about that is LOOK UP BIN LADEN and the Bush's Family HISTORY!!! That should tell you why American's were lead to stop thinking BinLaden and START thinking Iraq... for shame, for shame, for shame!!!!
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Originally posted by EvilGenius:
Don't you get tired of these people who reply to someone posting against the Iraq war that somehow you are attacking the soldiers when you disagree with this administration. Mindless Rush Limbaugh drones. Typical Bush Karl Rowe bull. It's a shame that Bush and Cheney have turned the middle east over to the radical shiites because of this incompetent handling of this sidetrack from the war on terror. Now that we have tilted the power of balance to Iran and the Shiite islamists soon they will take aim on the sunni Saudi Arabia. You Republican war appologists get ready to pay 10.00 a gallon for gas in a few years. And please there was no terrorist that threatened us in Iraq until we got rid of Sadaam. Stick to Afghanistan and chasing the actual terrorist where they are in northern Pakistan. If Bush really wants to fight terrorist why doesn't he look in northern Pakistan.


Evil Genius, you hit the nail on the head... YES we get tired of trying over and over and over and over explaining this to all these people in love with Dubbya... it is getting ridiculous now.

At least YOU can see through the forest for those dang trees!!!!

We were duped, and even GENERALS see it, but the general public, or around 29% refuse to think that Dubbya could EVER lie.. even though he lies every time he opens his mouth.
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Originally posted by inthered:
It sounds like none of you have a backbone. The ones with the backbone are fighting for your rights while you sit back and suck off the government teat and complain. what a bunch of losers.


inthered... of course you are "in the red" Dubbya plans on making sure everyone who isnt past Multi-Millionaire status is "in the red"...
How many members of the military do any of you pepole talk to on a daily basis? I've got news for all of you, during the 2 plus years that I have been mobilizing and demobilizing Soldiers I have had the oportunity to talk to at least 5000-10000 (probably more). I can honestly say that to date I have had one person complain about what we are doing in Iraq (he missed seeing his daughter born while he was in country). You can read all the hit pieces about how our guys "are trying to get out" all day for all I care. I will continue to listen to the Soldiers who are proud of what they are doing. I go along with the old saying of "believe half of what you see and NONE of what you read and you will be a whole lot better off". The liberal news media reports what you people want to here. That way they can at least sell a few papers. And as far as your commments EvilGenius. I am a conservative above and beyond anything else. I also don't need Limbaugh to tell me what I think or how to think. God gave me brain enough to go figure out things for myself. I refuse to be lead around by the MSM or anybody else for that matter.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
How many members of the military do any of you pepole talk to on a daily basis? I've got news for all of you, during the 2 plus years that I have been mobilizing and demobilizing Soldiers I have had the oportunity to talk to at least 5000-10000 (probably more). I can honestly say that to date I have had one person complain about what we are doing in Iraq (he missed seeing his daughter born while he was in country). You can read all the hit pieces about how our guys "are trying to get out" all day for all I care. I will continue to listen to the Soldiers who are proud of what they are doing. I go along with the old saying of "believe half of what you see and NONE of what you read and you will be a whole lot better off". The liberal news media reports what you people want to here. That way they can at least sell a few papers. And as far as your commments EvilGenius. I am a conservative above and beyond anything else. I also don't need Limbaugh to tell me what I think or how to think. God gave me brain enough to go figure out things for myself. I refuse to be lead around by the MSM or anybody else for that matter.


Well... 2 years ago I might believe... but obviously you did NOT watch the service men and service women on 60 Minutes Sunday Night... They are NOT happy campers, neither are those that I have privvy to email on DAILY basis!!!

You may THINK that, because you are SUPPOSED to, but the Media, the other countries, almost the entire Nation Of America is AGAINST this, and have been for a while now.

Believe what you want, but you are wrong.
The soldiers should be proud of themselves. What they do is far worse than anything any of us have to do each day. Unfortunately, they ultimately are taking orders from a man who is pissed because his daddy didn't have the stones to finish the job back in the early 90's. Now they are having to fight are war that could have totally been avoided.

This conflict just keeps dragging on with no end in sight. Now we are trying are best to keep down outright civil war in Iraq.

I remember another little conflict some years back that was a disaster. I remember watching TV and seeing helicopters take away our last troops, and anyone else possible, from the roof of the American Embassy in Saigon.

Hmm... similarities are sort of eerie.
I listen to the Soldiers too!!! And out of their OWN mouths they spoke against Iraq, being there, doing what they are doing, and this swiftly turning into another Vietnam.

Obviously those you are mobing over there hasn't a clue as to what they are in for. And those who come back are afraid to say anything.

But I heard it all on 60 Minutes... and I believe each and every word those Soldiers said!!!

Even the LEADER is going to leave, the GENERAL.. that, in and of itself should show YOU, ((probably a recruiter) that they are VERY VERY unhappy about being there, just as we are unhappy about them being there. We just want them HOME with their families where they BELONG!!!
You either didn't read what I wrote, or you misunderstand what I wrote. I said that Sunday Night 60 Minutes INTERVIEWED Soldiers. They were there, and out of their own mouths they said they saw NO reason to be in Iraq!!! THEY said it, not 60 Minutes, and not me.

Anyone who is for the 'cause' is the one's off their rocker!!!

I am for the Troops, I have the utmost respect for them, and they do not lie to me about anything, and I am in constant contact with some of them.

The Troops are just doing their job.. they do NOT have to like it, or agree with it, but they DO have to do it, and that is fact.

If you THINK that our Troops are fighting for OUR freedom, then YOU have been listening to too much Rush!!! Or O'Reilley, what JOKES they are!!! OPINIONS are all they offer.
K_S,
You are the one who needs to read a little closer. I said Soldiers that I have mobed and demobed. I talk to Soldiers returning to Iraq EVERYDAY! There is no way in hell that I will believe a handfull of cherry picked Soldiers on 60 minutes over thousands of Soldiers returning from Iraq that have no reason to lie to me. As much as I hate to say it, the BDS has truly gotten to you. You do truly believe, deep down inside, that the president is making money off of Iraq... don't you? It is truly sad how blind people can become when listening to the propaganda replaces free thinking. Really sad.
Southern patriot, I have come to realize that many of the forum contributors have traded their common sense for an excuse to toss around anti-war, anti-Bush, big oil comments around and act as if this is some little game the President is playing just because they are still mad Bush "stole" two elections from them. I can feel my ears burning now.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
Southern patriot, I have come to realize that many of the forum contributors have traded their common sense for an excuse to toss around anti-war, anti-Bush, big oil comments around and act as if this is some little game the President is playing just because they are still mad Bush "stole" two elections from them. I can feel my ears burning now.


I'm right there with you FI. BDS is truly a sad thing. Isn't it also funny how when they did win a few elections this time, there was no loud cry of you cheated! There were a lot of close races that republicans could have challenged and didn't. It was truly refreshing to watch people who could lose and still retain their dignity.
They way he is making money is making sure his cronies get all the sweet contract over there and then getting kick back from the same. Also, I'm sure he has persanl interests there himself. As far as people knocking Bush, it is not because of elections or playing games, it is because he is a bad leader. I see plenty of folks who sang his praises early on finally coming to realize he is not all they thought. Before anyone says it, I know that nobody elected will please everyone. But, they should at least serve the will of the people.

As for the elections, he only stole the first one, the second was really like which jerk to give a turn next!
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
You either didn't read what I wrote, or you misunderstand what I wrote. I said that Sunday Night 60 Minutes INTERVIEWED Soldiers. They were there, and out of their own mouths they said they saw NO reason to be in Iraq!!! THEY said it, not 60 Minutes, and not me.

Anyone who is for the 'cause' is the one's off their rocker!!!

I am for the Troops, I have the utmost respect for them, and they do not lie to me about anything, and I am in constant contact with some of them.

The Troops are just doing their job.. they do NOT have to like it, or agree with it, but they DO have to do it, and that is fact.

If you THINK that our Troops are fighting for OUR freedom, then YOU have been listening to too much Rush!!! Or O'Reilley, what JOKES they are!!! OPINIONS are all they offer.


Yeah, just like you slam Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, etc. I look at See B.S. and see the hand-picked individuals used to make a hit-piece. Soldiers gripe and complain, always have, always will. I should know as I was in charge of 120 soldiers during OIF-1 4 years ago. However, these soldiers on See B.S. the other night, most have no clue about what they were talking about. Most sounded coached to me. I believe in freedom of speech, even soldiers have that right (as long as they are out of uniform). However, I do not believe in a right of uneducated, ignorant speech. And I have seen alot of it on here, by folks who get their info from 30-second soundbites, 30-minute newscasts (of which, 10 minutes are commercial breaks), or an Internet blog or whatever. I talk to folks over in Iraq on a mostly daily basis, and what they are telling me, as Southern Patriot has stated before, is very different. A few soldiers whining does not trump several thousand who have been there, done that that support what they are doing, and disgusted by the actions of politicians, MSM, and shrill groups.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
Southern patriot, I have come to realize that many of the forum contributors have traded their common sense for an excuse to toss around anti-war, anti-Bush, big oil comments around and act as if this is some little game the President is playing just because they are still mad Bush "stole" two elections from them. I can feel my ears burning now.



They SAID they were speaking for at least 75% of the Troops... which is FAR better than the O'Reilly interview with HIS hand picked 12 troops who said EXACTLY what they were supposed to!!! They had NO choice, they were in uniform.

C'mon.. surely you guys do NOT believe that our Troops over there fighting IRAQ'S battle actually like it? And you really think they LIKE BUSH???

Gimme a break, not true, not true, not true!!!

I, myself, have talked to enough to KNOW what they think over there, and what they SAY when they get back here too... you are NOT the only one!!!
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
Southern patriot, I have come to realize that many of the forum contributors have traded their common sense for an excuse to toss around anti-war, anti-Bush, big oil comments around and act as if this is some little game the President is playing just because they are still mad Bush "stole" two elections from them. I can feel my ears burning now.



They SAID they were speaking for at least 75% of the Troops... which is FAR better than the O'Reilly interview with HIS hand picked 12 troops who said EXACTLY what they were supposed to!!! They had NO choice, they were in uniform.

C'mon.. surely you guys do NOT believe that our Troops over there fighting IRAQ'S battle actually like it? And you really think they LIKE BUSH???

Gimme a break, not true, not true, not true!!!

I, myself, have talked to enough to KNOW what they think over there, and what they SAY when they get back here too... you are NOT the only one!!!


Fill us in. Exactlly how many returning troops have you talked to. I guarantee there is absolutely no way on this earth that you have spoken to more in the last year than I have in the last 2 weeks.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
Southern patriot, I have come to realize that many of the forum contributors have traded their common sense for an excuse to toss around anti-war, anti-Bush, big oil comments around and act as if this is some little game the President is playing just because they are still mad Bush "stole" two elections from them. I can feel my ears burning now.



They SAID they were speaking for at least 75% of the Troops... which is FAR better than the O'Reilly interview with HIS hand picked 12 troops who said EXACTLY what they were supposed to!!! They had NO choice, they were in uniform.

C'mon.. surely you guys do NOT believe that our Troops over there fighting IRAQ'S battle actually like it? And you really think they LIKE BUSH???

Gimme a break, not true, not true, not true!!!

I, myself, have talked to enough to KNOW what they think over there, and what they SAY when they get back here too... you are NOT the only one!!!


Fill us in. Exactlly how many returning troops have you talked to. I guarantee there is absolutely no way on this earth that you have spoken to more in the last year than I have in the last 2 weeks.


Yeah, I guess nobody knows anything about this but you!!! B.S. !!! Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Actually, what I find that is totally sickening is that nearly 80% of Americans feel the SAME way I do about all this crap...

And the other 20% are on this forum.. Eeker


No disrespect at all here, but just because a majority believes one thing doesn't make it right and the minority wrong.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
I never said that. Just don't try and tell me that because a show has 10 to 12 people or you talk to 3 or 4 people that you know what the Soldiers think about Iraq. That is a VERY hard sell.


You know what? You are laughable!!! 3 or 4???? Whew, if you ONLY knew!!!! And those on television were THERE representing at least 75% of the Troops, and they were to return to Uniform/Fighting when the Interview was over..

DON'T YOU GET IT??? Or do you just refuse to?

This is NOT our WAR!!! Iraq is Iraq's OWN enemy, they do not need us for that... The CULTURE has been fighting since conception, and will continue to do so until the end of time. There is NOTHING we can EVER do to stop that..

Except spend billions and billions and billions and close to trillions of $$$$$$$$ on them!!!
Being INFORMED is the key... just because you mob and demob troops does NOT mean you can read their mind either.... you only THINK you can.

Just because those people had balls enough to SAY what was wrong over "There" makes THEM the authority, not you!!! Bet they only WISH they could do your menial job!!!

It is laughable to think that the minority of this country THINKS our boys/girls should be DIEING for another country and THEIR freedoms... NOT OURS!!!

It is laughable to even think what goes through anyone's mind who cannot SEE or HEAR for themselves, they have to act like Programmed Robots...

Laughable? No, not really... really it is SAD!!! Frowner
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Being INFORMED is the key... just because you mob and demob troops does NOT mean you can read their mind either.... you only THINK you can.

Just because those people had balls enough to SAY what was wrong over "There" makes THEM the authority, not you!!! Bet they only WISH they could do your menial job!!!

It is laughable to think that the minority of this country THINKS our boys/girls should be DIEING for another country and THEIR freedoms... NOT OURS!!!

It is laughable to even think what goes through anyone's mind who cannot SEE or HEAR for themselves, they have to act like Programmed Robots...

Laughable? No, not really... really it is SAD!!! Frowner


I normally try not to get personnal on this forum, but in this case I can't stop. You truly don't know what in the **** you are talking about. I don't have to read the minds of the Soldiers I deal with everyday you dumb *** I talk to them personally. They have absolutely NO REASON to lie to me based on the capacity in which I deal with them. Anybody can open their mouth, you have proved that in this post, but that does not make them the authority. Just who do you think I am programmed by? I have a mind of my own and will call it like I see it. You truly need to get out of your hole and look around every once in a while. Your shrill "I hate everythnig Bush has ever done" is getting really old. I you did look around, you might find something else to talk about. Hold a real debate perhaps.
SP, I take it you are in the military and in a position of somesort of authorative figure,or at least a respresentative. Soooooo, with that in mind i related it to anyone out here in the civilian world. Ain't no way ,no how any of us are going to speak openly negative to our superior, or those in representation of our superiors,,that is if we want to keep a job. Now everyone KNOWS the military has much more regulations and in fact the very oath when sworn in to military services.
So oh heck yea,,they gonna be gung ho! Shoot en up cowboy! Send me for another round!
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Originally posted by smurph:
SP, I take it you are in the military and in a position of somesort of authorative figure,or at least a respresentative. Soooooo, with that in mind i related it to anyone out here in the civilian world. Ain't no way ,no how any of us are going to speak openly negative to our superior, or those in representation of our superiors,,that is if we want to keep a job. Now everyone KNOWS the military has much more regulations and in fact the very oath when sworn in to military services.
So oh heck yea,,they gonna be gung ho! Shoot en up cowboy! Send me for another round!


NO, I do not deal with the Soldiers that demob through here in a military or authoritive capacity. I facilitate the guys returning from Iraq being able to speak with the units that are going to Iraq (let them know whats going on, what to watch for, etc...). I do a very good job at making their life as pleasant as possible as they pass through here on the way home. As I said before, they have absolutely no reason to lie to me. On the other side, I am a member of the Army reserve. Most of the individuals in my new unit have been in Iraq within the last 12 months. They also have no reason to lie to me about whats going on. Is everything rosy? NO. Are things getting better everyday? YES. Are all the good things that are going on over there being reported? NO. I am very lucky to have the inside knowledge I have of through their eyes. I am also very lucky to have the opportunity to spend time with exceptional people everyday.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Being INFORMED is the key... just because you mob and demob troops does NOT mean you can read their mind either.... you only THINK you can.

Just because those people had balls enough to SAY what was wrong over "There" makes THEM the authority, not you!!! Bet they only WISH they could do your menial job!!!

It is laughable to think that the minority of this country THINKS our boys/girls should be DIEING for another country and THEIR freedoms... NOT OURS!!!

It is laughable to even think what goes through anyone's mind who cannot SEE or HEAR for themselves, they have to act like Programmed Robots...

Laughable? No, not really... really it is SAD!!! Frowner


I normally try not to get personnal on this forum, but in this case I can't stop. You truly don't know what in the **** you are talking about. I don't have to read the minds of the Soldiers I deal with everyday you dumb *** I talk to them personally. They have absolutely NO REASON to lie to me based on the capacity in which I deal with them. Anybody can open their mouth, you have proved that in this post, but that does not make them the authority. Just who do you think I am programmed by? I have a mind of my own and will call it like I see it. You truly need to get out of your hole and look around every once in a while. Your shrill "I hate everythnig Bush has ever done" is getting really old. I you did look around, you might find something else to talk about. Hold a real debate perhaps.


I second that motion, Southern Patriot.

Kindred Spirit has sounded of late like she has forgotten to take her meds.....She used to talk to me and mauiboy71 on an OK basis. Now, she has gotten pretty wacked out. Nothing positive, mostly negative.

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