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Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Even when you get to the 50's and 60's the south was still very much segregated and racist. The north had moved forward and blacks were not treated with the kind of hate and bigotry that you found here at that same time. How many blacks were still being hung or beaten in Chicago in the 50's, 60's? The south is and was a very racist section of this country. To try and say its not our fault because to the mean old north's treatment of us after a war that has been over for more than 150 years is ridiculous.

Remember when those black kids were kicked out of the pool in Philadelphia in 2009?

 

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com...-the-Complexion.html

 

Planned Parenthood has taken out more black folks than the Klan could ever have conceived of lynching.

Believe me, I KNOW the South isn't the only place that has prejudice. Anywhere there are two or more human beings, you will find prejudice. It just seems to me that it is much less accepted in the North, the Midwest. and the West. That isn't saying people don't THINK it, but it has become socially unacceptable to speak it in those places, whereas in the South, it is much more common to hear it out loud.

 

And of course if children hear their parents and parent's friends speak it out loud, they see it as acceptable speech, and thus it is perpetuated.

Originally Posted by O No!:
From Wikipedia
 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is an American nonprofit civil rights organization noted for its legal victories against white supremacist groups; its legal representation for victims of hate groups; its monitoring of alleged hate groups, militias and extremist organizations; and its educational programs that promote tolerance.[3][4][5] The SPLC classifies as hate groups organizations that denigrate or assault entire groups of people, typically for attributes that are beyond their control.[6] The SPLC is named as a resource by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the Bureau's fight against hate crimes.[7][8]

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This information is correct, but it does not in any way change what I posted about the SPLC's inordinately aggressive fund-raising activities. The series of articles by Mr. Dan Morse fully documented this issue.   

Originally Posted by teyates:

So Jank its OK for you to live in the past (lynching in the 50's and 60's) and for you to assume that just because people are from the South they are more evil and prejusticed? All I did was try to offer you an explanation for why things are the way they are, but instead you had rather hold on to the assumption that people are more evil because of the region they are from....who is demonstrating prejustice in that argument?  Like I said, much of that anomosity and hate came from actions demonstrated after the Civil War. 

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I'm not sure if you are just misunderstanding me or if you are purposefully twisting what I posted. What I have been saying and will say again, is that to downplay what was done in the south or to try and push the blame onto the north is just wrong. I never said that everyone in a certain region are more evil. I brought up the lynchings because you have tried to say that all things were equal in the north and south, when everyone knows that's not true. There is a reason that the civil rights movement was centered in the south. How many other states governors stood in front of schools  to prevent blacks from attending?  Do you remember his promise? "Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!" Heck, just a couple of weeks ago a church in MS made the national news because they refused to marry an interracial couple in their church. How's that for current?  Why are you trying so hard to dismiss the racism of the south that existed then and now? I will say again that I do not think racism and hate only exist in the south. I do however believe that it is more excepted and common here. It will continue to be if we make excuses for those that treat others as inferiors based on race alone.

 

You said:

I grew up in what many would call a hateful atmosphere. The three civil rights workers killed in the early 60's were killed not more than three miles from where I lived. There were hateful, prejusticed a-holes living there. Many of whom I would have been afraid to pick up at night along a dark road, BUT there were also loving caring people there. An elderly black couple that lived in my community was as respected and loved as many of the elderly whites. Their family was a treasure and my dad would have done anything to help them out in times of need. They would have done the same for him.

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Sounds like your Dad was a good man. I agree that there are some awesome people that live here in the south. I was raised in one of those families too. I was not taught to hate or to judge based on race. However, my family was in the minority in our community. I remember several women in our church telling my mom that she should not let us kids play with the children from a black family that lived close by. I remember when the courthouse had a separate door in the back for blacks to enter. I remember when the Shoals Theater was still segregated. This was well after the civil rights movement, yet it still clung to this area. I never said that there are not good kind people in the south. I have lived here all my life and I know what good people you can find here. I have also traveled this country A LOT and I know the difference in how minorities are treated in other areas.

 

You said:

Hate does not come with a region. I have seen as many hateful and bigoted Yankees as I have rednecks. Labeling them by where they live in a tool for the weak minded who want to practice that which they are trying to stomp out, and that is prejustice.

 

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You are absolutely right, to a degree. To deny or dismiss the souths long history of discrimination and racism is to cheapen what those that fought so hard had to suffer and endure for their equal rights. To act as if the south was somehow forced to act in these ways due to actions or policies after the civil war sounds like weak excuses to me.  Maybe I misunderstood your intent, but it seemed as though you were saying that our history here in the south of racism and hate was justified. If that is not what you are trying to say then maybe we agree after all.

 

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Even when you get to the 50's and 60's the south was still very much segregated and racist. The north had moved forward and blacks were not treated with the kind of hate and bigotry that you found here at that same time. How many blacks were still being hung or beaten in Chicago in the 50's, 60's? The south is and was a very racist section of this country. To try and say its not our fault because to the mean old north's treatment of us after a war that has been over for more than 150 years is ridiculous.

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You are right about the 50's and 60's.  But you have to remember a couple of things.  Most blacks lived in the South.  How were conditions for Blacks in say New York City, outside of Harlem?  While the discrimination lines are drawn mostly along black/white lines in the South, in the East and North similar lines are drawn over geographical ethnicity.  The Irish, Jews, Italians, Eastern Europeans, Chinese/Asians have all been subject to horrible discrimination on both the East and West Coasts and in the North.  New Yorkers never seem to understand black/white discrimination, yet they have Chinese, Jewish, Italian, Hispanic, and other ethnic "ghettos" that maintain their "racial purity". 

 

The 1960's and 70's were a huge turning point for the South as far as race relations.  Yet long after the national guard was called into Arkansas in 1968 to put down race riots, I watched the people of Boston have similar riots in 1988 over busing of not only blacks, but of Irish into Italian schools.    I remember an incident in about 1986, where a black kid walked into a white neighborhood somewhere in NY State, and ended up dead for no other reason than he was black. 

 

I agree with you, though.  The Civil War was a long time ago, and we need to get over it.  But heck, we can't even get together as a local community.


Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

Even when you get to the 50's and 60's the south was still very much segregated and racist. The north had moved forward and blacks were not treated with the kind of hate and bigotry that you found here at that same time. How many blacks were still being hung or beaten in Chicago in the 50's, 60's? The south is and was a very racist section of this country. To try and say its not our fault because to the mean old north's treatment of us after a war that has been over for more than 150 years is ridiculous.

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Ever heard of Sundown Towns? Probably not, it was a mainly northern thing. Compare Alabama with Illinois.

http://sundown.afro.illinois.edu/sundowntowns.php

 

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