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Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:
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My BIG ARGUEMENT WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE IS THEY DON'T EVEN TRY TO VERIFY OTHER PEOPLE'S PERCEPTIONS.


very true



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TRUTH IS BASED ON FACT. NOT PERCEPTION. ACCURATE PERCEPTION IS FACT, INACCURATE PERCEPTION IS FALACY.


t least that is your perception.



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If I look at a grain of sand and believe it is a live, my perception is that it is alive the fact, and the truth is SAND IS NOT ALIVE.




The sand is not alive to everyone that perceives it not to be alive.



now...to complete the circle, i will leave you with a quote fron a knowledgable individual...

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My BIG ARGUEMENT WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE IS THEY DON'T EVEN TRY TO VERIFY OTHER PEOPLE'S PERCEPTIONS.





I am sitting here working on a computer, with two keyboards in front of me...i am typing on the wrong board...i shall gine up till tomorrowe


Sorry as all get out Mott, but the wisdom of the sophomore is based on a philsophy that is NOT COMPLETE. The Definition of Living is specific. If it is not able to meet the criterion it is not alive.

Your perceptions are not exposed, my are, FACT: THE QUALITY OF BEING ACTUAL. Having Objective Reality. NOT WHAT YOU BELIEVE, WHAT IS REAL.
God in an unproven assertion. Seti@home is attemption to prove the assertion that life exists off the planet earth. THE ASSERTION CAN ACTULLY BE ASSUMED TRUE, BUT ASSUNED TRUE IS NOT PROVEN. It can also be assumed UNTRUE, and it is also unproven. Verify: To establish he truth, accuracy or reality of a claim. Truth: the body of real things, events and FACTS. The property of being in accord with the facts.
MOTT, WHEN YOU LEARN TO SPEAK AND READ ENGLISH GET BACK TO ME, I HAVE NOT GOT THE INCLINATION TO DEFINE FOUR LETTER WORDS LIKE FACT FOR AN ADULT. Well for you I WILL GO ONE MORE. the Definition of Adult is: 1) Fully developed and mature, 2) of, relating to, intended for or benefiting adults. as an adult approach to a problem. 3) 9DELETED AS NOT SUITABLE FOR CHILDREN.)
Something that is not being talked about in this issue is the fact that foreign born, or immigrant Muslims in the USA are here because they either were seeking greater safety or properity. I regularly talk to a couple of Immigrant Muslims. One is a Restaurant owner, and came here to participate in archaeological expiditons to his homeland. A year or two ago, his expidition found some sites that added to the body of knowledge concerning the development of civilization.
The other is from Trans Jordan. (not on the map anymore, it is now named Israel and Palestine and Jordan) He came here to study, became a CPA, found himself in love with a California Girl, Married, got proper papers, Settled down, went into business, became wealthy, retired to a villa in California with his children, wife and a couple of Mercedes Cars.
If I got the story straight, the Archaeologist is in the Restaurant business because he can no longer travel freely. He is not on the terror list, he is a naturalized US citizen, but he risks not being admitted back into the US if he leaves. He is not at risk of deportation, he is a naturalized citizen. The other is in a state of frustrated rage. He has lost a cousin to the war in Iraq. The young man died on the street while American forces refused him medical attention. At least that is how the story was told to me.

These two Muslim Arabs talk to me. They talk to me because I listen.
Ed...the perception concept has NOTHING to do with facts. How you perceive things to be is the truth FOR YOU.

No need for you to display anger.


Let me give an example. If I bring before you a carton of eggs. Of those twelve eggs, only ONE is real, the other 11 are plastic (that is fact). I open this carton in front of you, I take out the (real) egg and break it, out pours the contents. I then take the remaining eggs and toss them over your head...would you try to jump out of the way? Of course you would...because you perceived them all to be real, no reason not to.
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Something that is not being talked about in this issue is the fact that foreign born, or immigrant Muslims in the USA are here because they either were seeking greater safety or properity.




Either that, or a member of Al Keida patiently waiting...the 911 terrorist waited around two years...I perceive it feasable they coulc wait 10 years, twenty years...you get the picture.


Better learn to identify your enemy...


Your enemy is ANYONE you perceive may REMOTELY have a desire to harm you. Not many people I let my guard down with...not many at all.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
Something that is not being talked about in this issue is the fact that foreign born, or immigrant Muslims in the USA are here because they either were seeking greater safety or properity. I regularly talk to a couple of Immigrant Muslims. One is a Restaurant owner, and came here to participate in archaeological expiditons to his homeland. A year or two ago, his expidition found some sites that added to the body of knowledge concerning the development of civilization.
The other is from Trans Jordan. (not on the map anymore, it is now named Israel and Palestine and Jordan) He came here to study, became a CPA, found himself in love with a California Girl, Married, got proper papers, Settled down, went into business, became wealthy, retired to a villa in California with his children, wife and a couple of Mercedes Cars.
If I got the story straight, the Archaeologist is in the Restaurant business because he can no longer travel freely. He is not on the terror list, he is a naturalized US citizen, but he risks not being admitted back into the US if he leaves. He is not at risk of deportation, he is a naturalized citizen. The other is in a state of frustrated rage. He has lost a cousin to the war in Iraq. The young man died on the street while American forces refused him medical attention. At least that is how the story was told to me.

These two Muslim Arabs talk to me. They talk to me because I listen.


I am sure that there are many honest, truly good-hearted muslims. My mother works with several Muslim doctors whom she thoroughly enjoys and trusts. My only question is why don't these good Muslims over here who obviously left the Middle East to enjoy our capitalist lfestyle and be free get a mass movement to condemn the radical Muslims. Instead they have formed groups like CAIR, which is the Islamic branch of the ACLU, to hide behind,
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Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:
do /...?you claim a religion? truth is neither. truth is what ones percieves it to be...and perception is reality...did some mention truth based on facts? forgive all the typos ...using laptop can only reach it with one hand...


seti@home??? oh my



You are at work AND online???? FOR SHAME!!!! And you are making typo's???? OMG, ..... Where did our typo POLICE go??? Oh yeah, YOU are the typo Police, sorry got confused a little with this one, roflmao!!!!!
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Originally posted by bwdance12:

I am sure that there are many honest, truly good-hearted muslims. My mother works with several Muslim doctors whom she thoroughly enjoys and trusts. My only question is why don't these good Muslims over here who obviously left the Middle East to enjoy our capitalist lfestyle and be free get a mass movement to condemn the radical Muslims. Instead they have formed groups like CAIR, which is the Islamic branch of the ACLU, to hide behind,


But what is the "MARKER" that tells us Americans which ones are the GOOD ones and which ones are the BAD ones????

FACT is there is NO WAY of telling... none!!! As said before, in many posts.... ALL of the people who crashed OUR planes into OUR buildings on THEIR suicide mission, was all described very courteous, very kind, very friendly, family oriented (with children) out going and a good person... and they had lived around them and knew them for nearly THREE years all the while they were planning their attack on America..

So anyone want to SAY they are nice, courteous, kind, friendly, family oriented, then you would be echoeing just what the people in Florida said about the terrorists in Florida who flew the planes into the WTC, Pentagon and ground...

So the question will ALWAYS remain... WHICH ONES ARE GOOD???? WHICH ONES ARE BAD???

And just because they were allowed FREE education over here and 'chose' a more civilized life as a Doctor, does that make them GOOD, or does that make them BAD???? Think of the POWER they have over all of us and our hospitals?????

I don't know... used to be that when we were in WAR that anyone connected with the country/countries in question who wasn't a citizen of the US would be IMMEDIATELY deported... but that didn't happen this time.

The ONLY plane that flew that fateful day was a plane full of High Powered Middle Easterners... going back home because they were fearful of their life here after that... at the time, that didn't really register with me why our Leaders allowed THAT plane to fly... now, thinking back on it, reading up on it... I understand PERFECTLY what happened with THAT plane...

WHO is the enemy??? Is it your corner convenience store owner??? Is it the lower class motel owners??? Is it the Doctors you go to??? Just WHO???

As yet, and many months of this question being asked, not just by me, but by several on the forum... NO ONE HAS YET COME UP WITH AN ANSWER.... that is because NO ONE KNOWS the answer.
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Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:
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I'am sick of people like you and the likes of you that lower yourself to a level like you just did. you can't debate but you can call people names that don't agree with you



Are you sick of Ed too...

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U R THE STUPIDIST PERSON ON EARTH.
Every Dead American is just one more that can't take up arms against Islam.



Does your knife just cut ONE way?


I thought about retracting that "barbaric" statement. But instead, I am going to defend it.
For one thing, it is as true as the barbaric statement it responded to, "Every dead muslim is just one more that can't take up arms against us." That statement has been retracted, but it is also true.

BOTH STATEMENTS RATIONALIZE KILLING PEOPLE.
TO PREVENT THEM FROM KILLING OTHERS.

The statement "EVERY DEAD MURDER IS ONE MORE MURDERER WHO CANNOT MURDER," is also barbaric, and true. A statement can be both true and barbaric. "War is mass retroactive abortion, and justified."
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Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:
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Not knowing your enemy is Ba'ath Party politicians, and thinking he is Muslims, makes you a threat..to Muslims, and NOTHING AT ALL TO the Ba'ath party.



Why is we killing all these Al Queida folks then...

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi

Abu Asma


Omar al Farouq


Where are the Bathist we have killed? Except for Hussein and his brother?


I think YOU need to learn who the ENEMY is.


Mott, 649,997 names are missing from your list.
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Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:
Ed...the perception concept has NOTHING to do with facts. How you perceive things to be is the truth FOR YOU.

No need for you to display anger.


Let me give an example. If I bring before you a carton of eggs. Of those twelve eggs, only ONE is real, the other 11 are plastic (that is fact). I open this carton in front of you, I take out the (real) egg and break it, out pours the contents. I then take the remaining eggs and toss them over your head...would you try to jump out of the way? Of course you would...because you perceived them all to be real, no reason not to.

1) you would be perpetrating a FRAUD. 2) the FRAUD would be exposed the instant I tested the assertion that the remaining 11 eggs were genuine, 3) the perception that the eggs were real would be a FALLACY. Saying they were real would be a Lie. Selling them as real would be a FRAUD.
You are CONFESSING THAT YOU BELIEVE YOUR PERCEPTION OF THE FACTS TO BE TRUE WITHOUT testing the perception.
YOU HAVE CONCLUDED THAT IT IS FACT THAT ALL MUSLIMS WANT TO KILL ALL CHRISTIANS. When that is fallacy. But, since you percieve it to be true, you believe it to be fact.
TEST THE HYPOTHISIS. IT FALLS IN THE FACE OF NOTHING MORE THAN LOGIC.

If all Muslims want All Christians Dead, how have Muslims and Christians SPENT LIFETIMES SIDE BY SIDE WITHOUT KILLING ONE ANOTHER? Your perception of fact, generalizes to this FACT, AND TRUTH...GOD WANTS ALL HUMANS DEAD, AND IN HIS LIFETIME THEY WILL ALL BE DEAD.
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Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:
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Something that is not being talked about in this issue is the fact that foreign born, or immigrant Muslims in the USA are here because they either were seeking greater safety or properity.




Either that, or a member of Al Keida patiently waiting...the 911 terrorist waited around two years...I perceive it feasable they coulc wait 10 years, twenty years...you get the picture.


Better learn to identify your enemy...


Your enemy is ANYONE you perceive may REMOTELY have a desire to harm you. Not many people I let my guard down with...not many at all.


Fact, the PILOTS OF THE HIJACKED AIRPLANES WERE IN THE USA FOR YEARS. Fact. Others of the attack group WERE NOT.
Fact, the existance of terrorists inside the NYC Mosque involved in the first WTC bombing were exposed, captured, convicted and imprisoned on information provided by members of the Mosque, ie: Muslims squeeled on the Bad Muslims.
Fact, TODAY you suspect all Muslims of being terrorists.
Fact, You reflect the feelings of others on this board.
Fact, your suspicion seperates you from the very people who MAY KNOW who the Terrorists are, and the People who have the BEST CHANCE of identifying them BEFORE harm is done.
Fact, by seperating yourself from ALL MUSLIMS, YOU INCREASE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR BAD MUSLIMS TO DO BAD THING.
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Originally posted by Yo Brotha from anotha Motha:
The Russians have said for years that the USA would implode and I see that happening now. No other country will have to fire a shot. They will just walk in and take control.

We have to many idiots that don't love the USA or they love money more than country. It is apparent on this board who the anti-American idiots are.

We have let to many foreigners come in unchecked and not made to assimilate. Our government has put us so bad in debt to China that China owns us. We have to many puss_y's in control of our military. They won't allow our military to win a war.

We have made a holiday celebrating a person that is known to have conspired with communist. Alabama has put a known socialist on it's state quarter. The USA has begun to except homosexuality.

The USA is following the same course as Greece, Rome, Sodom and Gomorrah , Egypt, and other fallen countries.

Iran knows all of these things and is laughing at us. I say, let Israel take care of the middle east. They are capable of turning all of those radical rag heads and there countries into a sheet of glass.


I have been trying to rediscover this post YoBrotha, it got lost in the clutter, much of my own making. Sorry bout that.

DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNION WAS ACCUSED OF CONSPIRING WITH COMMUNISTS BY J EDGAR HOOVER. There is not one shred of evidence that Dr King EVER CONSPIRED WITH COMMUNISTS TO DO ANYTHING TO THE USA.

You assert that the USA is following the same cource as Greece Rome, Soddom and Gomorrah, Egypt and other fallen countries.

THEY ARE NOT FALLEN COUNTRIES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SODDOM AND GOMORRAH. Greece, Rome, and Egypt NOT ONLY STILL EXIST, but they are better for having revolted against the "rich and powerful exploiters." What the lesson of history, in the fall of EMPIRES teaches us is this. INJUSTICE, CARRIED TO AN EXTREME, RESULTS IN REVOLUTION.
Rome, STILL STANDS, The Vatican, heir to the Roman Empire, (renamed Holy Roman Empire) is powerless, but still influences and is still standing. Explain, FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE in light of the FACT that the Vatican, and the Holy Roman Catholic Church STILL STAND.

America is not about FORCED assimilation. It is about welcoming the immigrant and providing opportunity for success.

You are correct in one regard. THE WEALTHIEST OF ALL AMERICANS ARE EXPLOITING THE REST OF US.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by yankeewitch:

Buddha
To live a pure unselfish life, one must count nothing as one's own in the midst of abundance.

Jim Thomson
I can only think of one thing greater than being happy and that is to help another to be happy, too.

Albert Camus
You are forgiven for your happiness and your successes only if you generously consent to share them.

Mark Twain
The best way to cheer yourself up is to try to cheer somebody else up.

Thomas Paine
It is necessary to the happiness of man that he be mentally faithful to himself.

Ben Franklin
The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.
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You are at work AND online???? FOR SHAME!!!! And you are making typo's???? OMG, ..... Where did our typo POLICE go??? Oh yeah, YOU are the typo Police, sorry got confused a little with this one, roflmao!!!!!


When you are your own boss...yes I gave myself permission...LOL

I usually work at this table...




because that table was full, I was working at this one...



I access the internet at the first table with this puter...



but since I was at table #2 I was using my laptop, hard to reach but boredom requird it.

I have a fulltime job where I work 55 hours per week.

I also do woodwork from time to time...







You know, a guy has to do something to pat for all the freeloaders, what with the WIC program for these little two year olds without dads ect...


Do enjoy your crow...Wink
Oh BTW...KS...about the typos...I have never sais anything about typos, I did say something about using WRONG WORDS...

Case in point...a poster (whom I will not mention) in another thread warned someone of slanderous statements here...it is impossible to 'slander' anyone on this forum.


Want to see a good joke...


I am actually sitting here laughing, smurph!!!! Ya see, I have MOTT on IGNORE and didn't see that comment until you included it in on yours...
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by bwdance12:

I am sure that there are many honest, truly good-hearted muslims. My mother works with several Muslim doctors whom she thoroughly enjoys and trusts. My only question is why don't these good Muslims over here who obviously left the Middle East to enjoy our capitalist lfestyle and be free get a mass movement to condemn the radical Muslims. Instead they have formed groups like CAIR, which is the Islamic branch of the ACLU, to hide behind,


But what is the "MARKER" that tells us Americans which ones are the GOOD ones and which ones are the BAD ones????

FACT is there is NO WAY of telling... none!!! As said before, in many posts.... ALL of the people who crashed OUR planes into OUR buildings on THEIR suicide mission, was all described very courteous, very kind, very friendly, family oriented (with children) out going and a good person... and they had lived around them and knew them for nearly THREE years all the while they were planning their attack on America..

So anyone want to SAY they are nice, courteous, kind, friendly, family oriented, then you would be echoeing just what the people in Florida said about the terrorists in Florida who flew the planes into the WTC, Pentagon and ground...

So the question will ALWAYS remain... WHICH ONES ARE GOOD???? WHICH ONES ARE BAD???

And just because they were allowed FREE education over here and 'chose' a more civilized life as a Doctor, does that make them GOOD, or does that make them BAD???? Think of the POWER they have over all of us and our hospitals?????

I don't know... used to be that when we were in WAR that anyone connected with the country/countries in question who wasn't a citizen of the US would be IMMEDIATELY deported... but that didn't happen this time.

The ONLY plane that flew that fateful day was a plane full of High Powered Middle Easterners... going back home because they were fearful of their life here after that... at the time, that didn't really register with me why our Leaders allowed THAT plane to fly... now, thinking back on it, reading up on it... I understand PERFECTLY what happened with THAT plane...

WHO is the enemy??? Is it your corner convenience store owner??? Is it the lower class motel owners??? Is it the Doctors you go to??? Just WHO???

As yet, and many months of this question being asked, not just by me, but by several on the forum... NO ONE HAS YET COME UP WITH AN ANSWER.... that is because NO ONE KNOWS the answer.

Kindred,
I want to offer this for your edification. It is not about Muslims, it is about liberals. It is a series of quotes published in August of 2005.

http://fairshot.typepad.com/fairshot/2005/08/theyve_got_to_b.html

This is a sample: "Everybody got it? Dissent, fine; undermining, you're a traitor. Got it? So, all those clowns over at the liberal radio network, we could incarcerate them immediately. Will you have that done, please? Send over the FBI and just put them in chains, because they, you know, they're undermining everything and they don't care, couldn't care less."

- Bill O'Reilly, June 20, 2005
If it were just O'Reilly, the issue would be minute, but it isn't
Another Sample: "And I think people like Tim Russert and the others, who gave [Ambassador Joseph Wilson IV] such a free ride and all the media, they're the ones to be shot, not Karl Rove."

- Rep. Peter King (R-3rd Dist. NY), Scarborough Country, July 12, 2005

You'll notice that he is a NEW YORK REPUBLICAN.
In the House of Representatives.

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