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I wonder why they didn't burn it off like they were talking about doing?
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What's that slogan the GOP conventioneers and the Tea Party Tribe have been chanting? Oh, yeah--"Drill, Baby, Drill!!!"
Hey--BP could have had an acoustic valve on that well that would have stood a good chance of closing down the blowout, but they were too cheap to spring for it. Big Oil will tell you that they do evgerything in the most environmentally safe way out there in the offshore waters, but they cut corners like others to squeeze out more profit! That valve would have cost about @500,000. The rig that is now blown away cost something like $400-500,000,000. Pretty small additional capital cost to protect the ocean waters and marshes and beaches, but BC was too stingy to pay for it. Look for the feds to require that kind of valve from now on!
Hey--BP could have had an acoustic valve on that well that would have stood a good chance of closing down the blowout, but they were too cheap to spring for it. Big Oil will tell you that they do evgerything in the most environmentally safe way out there in the offshore waters, but they cut corners like others to squeeze out more profit! That valve would have cost about @500,000. The rig that is now blown away cost something like $400-500,000,000. Pretty small additional capital cost to protect the ocean waters and marshes and beaches, but BC was too stingy to pay for it. Look for the feds to require that kind of valve from now on!
beternu, you beat me to it!
"WASHINGTON, Mar 31, 2010 (IPS) - U.S. President Barack Obama announced on Wednesday his administration's plan to expand the areas off the U.S. coast which will be eligible for oil and natural gas drilling, as environmental groups condemned the plan as damaging to the oceans and coastal ecosystems."
quote:Originally posted by uandurine:
"WASHINGTON, Mar 31, 2010 (IPS) - U.S. President Barack Obama announced on Wednesday his administration's plan to expand the areas off the U.S. coast which will be eligible for oil and natural gas drilling, as environmental groups condemned the plan as damaging to the oceans and coastal ecosystems."
You betcha Obama and his Administration will see to it that those new rigs have an acoustic shut-off valve. The industry protested some time back whan that measure was being considered, but they don't have much of a case now that the current catastrophe is approaching!
How's that drill baby drill thingey working out for you now ?
If this affects my seafood I'm gonna be pissed, but if it trashes the beach where I love to go I am going to go balistic.
If this affects my seafood I'm gonna be pissed, but if it trashes the beach where I love to go I am going to go balistic.
Well get ready for it. You can look at images showing the oil slick coming our way. I hate to see it ruin our beaches and seafood. All because the BP exec was too proud for help and the idiot president waited too long to decide to do something about it. I am sure he will make himself look good and pat himself on the back about how he swept in and saved the day.
quote:Originally posted by HARLEY FLSTS:
Well get ready for it. You can look at images showing the oil slick coming our way. I hate to see it ruin our beaches and seafood. All because the BP exec was too proud for help and the idiot president waited too long to decide to do something about it. I am sure he will make himself look good and pat himself on the back about how he swept in and saved the day.
If the President waited "too long," it was probably because BP's early statements about the matter were to the effect that the problem was manageable and they were on top of it. Offshore drilling operations are required by law to have on hand or readily available the personnel and equipment to control spills of low to moderate magnitude. BP grossly understated the rate of release of oil from its well, giving the Administration reason to believe that the leak could be handled in good and timely order.
Now we know the truth. BP was playing a public relations game in the early going. When the magnitude of the spill became apparent, the feds mobilized.
Where are the wingers who constantly assert that private industry knows its business better than the government does, and that the government, as a rule, ought to get out of the way and let private industry do the things it know best?
The talking head cases who are analogizing this incident to criticism of the Bush Administration's response to Hurricane Katrina are mixing apples and oranges, or maybe more like apples and watermelons. There is no comparison betwen the natural disaster of a hurricane and the decidedly un-natural event of an oil spill as regards obligations of responsible parties. BP should have been forthcomining earlier in declaring the scope of the disaster and the unlikelihood of any prospect for a quick remedy.
If you drive a car you have no room to gripe. Accidents happen, but the libs always want to blame the evil corparations for any thing that happens. They had the required blowout valves , but they failed because the gas bubble was so big. They said it pushed the mud out of the drill pipe 5000 ft to the top of the rig. Also that the normal pressure was 35,000 to 45,000 PSI. But the bubble of gas caused that pressure to increase 10X. So lets do what the libs want go back to horse and buggy days. Close all Energy and all companys except the US GOV.
I dont understand why there not blaming Obamas dumb ***. If bush was in that would be all you heard. What about haliburton? Why are they still around ? I thought they were on the top of Obamas Hit List. They will probobly be the ones to fix the well. Drill Baby Drill
quote:Originally posted by Creekman62:
I dont understand why there not blaming Obamas dumb ***. If bush was in that would be all you heard. What about haliburton? Why are they still around ? I thought they were on the top of Obamas Hit List. They will probobly be the ones to fix the well. Drill Baby Drill
One news report said that Haliburton was involved in the drilling and may be part of the problem. I don't know myself.
Creekman has a point, we are all responsible if we drive a car, especially one that gets poor mileage.
quote:Originally posted by Creekman62:
If you drive a car you have no room to gripe. Accidents happen, but the libs always want to blame the evil corparations for any thing that happens. They had the required blowout valves , but they failed because the gas bubble was so big. They said it pushed the mud out of the drill pipe 5000 ft to the top of the rig. Also that the normal pressure was 35,000 to 45,000 PSI. But the bubble of gas caused that pressure to increase 10X. So lets do what the libs want go back to horse and buggy days. Close all Energy and all companys except the US GOV.
Wrong. They did not have an acouustic valve, which is a device that can, in manmy cases, be used when all else failed. The offshore oil industry has protested against a proposed requirment to install these valves. I am guessing they will protest no more after this debacle.
quote:Originally posted by Creekman62:
If you drive a car you have no room to gripe. Accidents happen, but the libs always want to blame the evil corparations for any thing that happens. They had the required blowout valves , but they failed because the gas bubble was so big. They said it pushed the mud out of the drill pipe 5000 ft to the top of the rig. Also that the normal pressure was 35,000 to 45,000 PSI. But the bubble of gas caused that pressure to increase 10X. So lets do what the libs want go back to horse and buggy days. Close all Energy and all companys except the US GOV.
You are right ! We should all protest this disaster by refusing to drive our cars for 6 months.
quote:Originally posted by seeweed:
How's that drill baby drill thingey working out for you now ?
If this affects my seafood I'm gonna be pissed, but if it trashes the beach where I love to go I am going to go balistic.
I was wondering, do you plan to WALK down to the beach to enjoy it, or will you be driving?
Does that shrimp boat that brings you your beloved seafood run on hydrocarbons or is it a primitive sailing vessell?
Get off your high horse for aminute and you will see that you my friend are as "guilty" as the rest of us, so don't get all pompous. It was an accident, a convenient one for the libs if you ask me, since just the week before the Obama administration had opened up new areas for oil exploration. As long as we continue to need oil these accidents will happen. Would the vlave had made much of difference considering the amount and size of the bubble that created this problem?
It is one mile deep, and they currently have no idea where the leak is at due to visibility problems, and probably since the entire collapsed structure is sitting on top of it.
It beats me though that when the hurricane came to New Orleans, Bush and his adminstration were bastardized fornot responsing quickly enough. Now when the same thing happens, Barry and the Lib Crew are given a free pass and it is blamed on big corporations. Any administration worth their salt would have been on this the first day and asking for an assessment from the Navy and Coast Guard which were on site.
I hope they get it under control soon, and shut it off, but more than that I hope it does nothing else to jeapodize our already fragile economic situation by increasing carbon taxes and higher fuel costs, which is what some in power want to do.
The Secs. of Homeland Security and Interior were on the Sunday morning talking head shows with Thad Allen, Commandant of the Coast Guard. They addressed the question of the federal response: they are in full agreement that the President has been on top of this from the get-go and the CG, NOAA, and USN were staged and waiting for the word to go, which they did. BP at first insisted that the oil slick was the result of the fire and explosion, then when the rig sank, realized that the slick was spreading and that the burn was not working due to state of the seas and the fact that raw crude, which is hard to ignite is involved at an amazing rate.
The number of barrels per day is being constantly revised upwards be estimation and visual inspection, which is rather hard to do, since the oil is a mile down and not merely pitch black, but like a old fashioned Spindle Top gusher at sea.
The Swiss company that is trying to manufacture a containment dome is still nearly a week away from delivery. What would you Rush Limbaugh talking point advocates and repeaters like? The difference is this between Bush and Obama: Obama, Allen, BP corporation, Salazar and Napolitano; Bush: Brownie and nada. Rush now has said that it is "natural" and that it will "clean itself up." I say let that rotund opiate abuser move from Palm Beach to Pass Christian then.
The number of barrels per day is being constantly revised upwards be estimation and visual inspection, which is rather hard to do, since the oil is a mile down and not merely pitch black, but like a old fashioned Spindle Top gusher at sea.
The Swiss company that is trying to manufacture a containment dome is still nearly a week away from delivery. What would you Rush Limbaugh talking point advocates and repeaters like? The difference is this between Bush and Obama: Obama, Allen, BP corporation, Salazar and Napolitano; Bush: Brownie and nada. Rush now has said that it is "natural" and that it will "clean itself up." I say let that rotund opiate abuser move from Palm Beach to Pass Christian then.
I never said it was natural, nor do I prescribe to the Limbaugh doctrine. What I said was that Obama is no more on top of this than GW was on top of Katrina. Same results. You can sit back and say how Obama is on top of this all you want, but the talking heads in retrospect say the same thing about Katrina.
I am not here to debate the differences or similarities in the two nincompoops, but for somone on here to disparage the corporation who was trying to bring fuel to the US, in our own waters, while at the same time wanting to protect the fishing industry and tourism industry, is nothing short of hypocritical.
If not for the gas it requires to catch the fish or harvest the shrimp there would be none. Without the fuel to travel to the beach, how could we enjoy it.
It is a tragedy and much like the Valdez disaster, it will eventually be cleared away. Not however before a multitude of lawyers extract every dollar they can from every individual involved, and not before the environmentalists and liberalists extract every ounce of exposure they can from the accident.
I am not here to debate the differences or similarities in the two nincompoops, but for somone on here to disparage the corporation who was trying to bring fuel to the US, in our own waters, while at the same time wanting to protect the fishing industry and tourism industry, is nothing short of hypocritical.
If not for the gas it requires to catch the fish or harvest the shrimp there would be none. Without the fuel to travel to the beach, how could we enjoy it.
It is a tragedy and much like the Valdez disaster, it will eventually be cleared away. Not however before a multitude of lawyers extract every dollar they can from every individual involved, and not before the environmentalists and liberalists extract every ounce of exposure they can from the accident.
Exactly like Exxon Valdez: under-regulation at its finest. FYI: no individual poster was addressed in my previous post.
Neither spill was/is "natural" in any sense of the word: they are man-made and man-abetted. There are no politics at the response level at present per se. There are long term politics at play that allowed single hulled oil tanker ships at sea as well as oil rigs not at the level of the North Sea preventive/emergency measures.
If obese cloacal level fear baiters like M. Limbaugh wish to make these events into politics, then let him make the most of it. The people of the Gulf States hopefully will not be fooled again with his bile and ill humors.
Neither spill was/is "natural" in any sense of the word: they are man-made and man-abetted. There are no politics at the response level at present per se. There are long term politics at play that allowed single hulled oil tanker ships at sea as well as oil rigs not at the level of the North Sea preventive/emergency measures.
If obese cloacal level fear baiters like M. Limbaugh wish to make these events into politics, then let him make the most of it. The people of the Gulf States hopefully will not be fooled again with his bile and ill humors.
Anyone who places any credibility on anything Rush Limbaugh says concerning environmental matters is leaning on a broken reed (notwithstanding that as a literal matter, El Rushbonehead is anything but a "reed," he having re-gained the massive girth with which he first waddled on the scene).
I saved the exact words of a statement Lamebrain made years ago on his radio program. I saved it because it is so wildly in conflict with truth and reality. But believe me, the lardbutt addict actually said,
"My friends, the Earth is infinitely resilient."
Those are his exact words, which, if taken literally (as he apparently intended), would mean that there is no amount of abuse that mankind can perpetrate upon the planet and its animate and inanimate resources but that the Earth can recover.
"Infinitely resilient"!!!?? There are few things that are infintely anything and the Earth decidedly is NOT "infinitely resilient." Limbarge is, however, INFINITELY ASININE!
I saved the exact words of a statement Lamebrain made years ago on his radio program. I saved it because it is so wildly in conflict with truth and reality. But believe me, the lardbutt addict actually said,
"My friends, the Earth is infinitely resilient."
Those are his exact words, which, if taken literally (as he apparently intended), would mean that there is no amount of abuse that mankind can perpetrate upon the planet and its animate and inanimate resources but that the Earth can recover.
"Infinitely resilient"!!!?? There are few things that are infintely anything and the Earth decidedly is NOT "infinitely resilient." Limbarge is, however, INFINITELY ASININE!