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Animal advocates nationwide are horrified over a video allegedly taken from a CD found in Baghdad's Green Zone. This video, which recently surfaced on the Internet, depicts what appear to be U.S. soldiers taunting and tormenting a seriously injured dog. Several men laugh while pitching rocks at the suffering animal. One participant proclaims, "That's the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life!" as the dog yelps in pain and attempts to flee on two legs.

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PBA, you are a disgrace to this country. Only you would go out of your way to bring up a point like this to push your agenda. Your true anti-American colors are showing.

I think that this is awful and think that the soldiers involved were acting in a cruel manner. However, not every soldier is like that and you know it. Your whole point behind this post is to dog the American soldiers who are risking their lives for their country.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
PBA, you are a disgrace to this country. Only you would go out of your way to bring up a point like this to push your agenda. Your true anti-American colors are showing.

I think that this is awful and think that the soldiers involved were acting in a cruel manner. However, not every soldier is like that and you know it. Your whole point behind this post is to dog the American soldiers who are risking their lives for their country.



A look Guy, I did not throw rocks at the dog!! American soldiers I support them, but I don't support anyone that would mistreat a dog or any dumb aniaml even you.I never said all soldiers were like that. you twist words!LOOK YOU BETTER EVER NEVER CALL ME ANTI-AMERICAN! YOU SICK PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT DO THIS AND IT SHOWS YOUR WEAKNESS!
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You have not put up one positive post about anything relating to the war, soldiers, or this administration. That is your opinion and I am fine with you expressing your own opinion. However, when you take those facts into consideration, it's obvious you are trying to portray our soldiers in a negative light. I didn't twist any words. Your post history shows exactly how you feel and by hiding behind your cowardly posts, you can let them do the talking so you don't come across as someone insulting the soldiers. I think that many of the people on this forum have caught onto your ways. You are not fooling anyone.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
You have not put up one positive post about anything relating to the war, soldiers, or this administration. That is your opinion and I am fine with you expressing your own opinion. However, when you take those facts into consideration, it's obvious you are trying to portray our soldiers in a negative light. I didn't twist any words. Your post history shows exactly how you feel and by hiding behind your cowardly posts, you can let them do the talking so you don't come across as someone insulting the soldiers. I think that many of the people on this forum have caught onto your ways. You are not fooling anyone.



How can i put up something positive about this war,Bush,democrat's or republican's? give something to go on and explain to be why I should be positive please!portray our soldiers in a negative light? no way am I trying to do that!! I'am showing you what the mainstream news media will not. most people go to the net to get their news because you can't count on the mainstream media.
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
I am talking about the soldier's who are caught in the middle of this and are doing what they are asked. To talk bad about them just because a few bad eggs is disgusting.



Well, how about the bad eggs that kill for the hell of it? how about the bad eggs that rape children? are you for all that?
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
I am talking about the soldier's who are caught in the middle of this and are doing what they are asked. To talk bad about them just because a few bad eggs is disgusting.


GOOD point!!!!



How does he make a good point? are you just agreeing to be agreeing? lol
Point is, there are bad people in ALL walks of life, including the Military... I didn't say it was right, but I would have been in a much better frame of mind NOT knowing this...

Is there anything WE can do about it? NO!!

Is there any changes that WE can make? NO!!

Do I want to know how many people a Soldier kills a day in war?? NO!!!

Do I want to know if they threw a rock at a dog? NO!!

There are things of war that the general public should NOT know... we are not TRAINED mentally to know... we have no idea of the atmosphere, the frustration, the fear, the horrors they live on a daily basis... And I just don't want to hear of any torture of an animal, let their commander take care of it. Frowner
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Originally posted by pba:


Oh, So you think they were ordered to throw rocks at the poor hurt dog? Give me a break!!


Frankly, I haven't been able to decide whether I lean towards calling the basis of this discussion (the first post) a red herring or whether it's more of a non sequiter. Regardless, it's an argumentative fallacy and certainly a poor generalization.
Why should who it is abusing the dog matter? Would it have been any more humane if it were Iraqi soldiers throwing the rocks, or British parliment members, or American congressmen? It's just inflamatory that the title to the post goes to great length to specify "U.S. Soldiers". And they were not "caught", they made the video itself.

Complain about cruelty to the animal...I'll back you up 100 percent. Use the title of this post to make it sound like ONLY U.S. Soldiers would do such a dastardly thing, and I'll condemn you for your prejudice way of thinking.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Point is, there are bad people in ALL walks of life, including the Military... I didn't say it was right, but I would have been in a much better frame of mind NOT knowing this...

Is there anything WE can do about it? NO!!

Is there any changes that WE can make? NO!!

Do I want to know how many people a Soldier kills a day in war?? NO!!!

Do I want to know if they threw a rock at a dog? NO!!

There are things of war that the general public should NOT know... we are not TRAINED mentally to know... we have no idea of the atmosphere, the frustration, the fear, the horrors they live on a daily basis... And I just don't want to hear of any torture of an animal, let their commander take care of it. Frowner




It's funny to me when Taco was in the newspaper, remember Taco, the dog that got his ears cut off, and you very same people were on a rampage, how they should hang the guy for torturing a poor little animal. And I remember each and every one of your comments and as a matter of fact, I could probably go in the archives and bring them up and remind you what you did post about Taco. See, I see you talking out both sides of your mouth. This is not directed at you KS. It's directed at the ones that only see with one eye. Their way.

You're right. Why should we worry about some dog in Iraq that a few of our soldiers enjoy mistreating. It sounds like a good thing to do after a hard day on the battle field. Plus, it makes us Americans.

It's ok to mistreat Iraqi kids because they are not American kids, rape their children, torture their children. We're Americans. And we are very religious and we love the Lord. Our country was founded on moral Christian values and if you have any doubt at all, just read the board. As long as it's not happening in our country, we shouldn't worry about poor innocent people or dogs in other countries. Carry on America. Let's continue to set the examples of Christianity, morals, that we all have right here in America. Sleep good tonight.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
Why should who it is abusing the dog matter? Would it have been any more humane if it were Iraqi soldiers throwing the rocks, or British parliment members, or American congressmen? It's just inflamatory that the title to the post goes to great length to specify "U.S. Soldiers". And they were not "caught", they made the video itself.

Complain about cruelty to the animal...I'll back you up 100 percent. Use the title of this post to make it sound like ONLY U.S. Soldiers would do such a dastardly thing, and I'll condemn you for your prejudice way of thinking.


Did you not see U.S. Soldiers in the video? so its ok if our U.S. Soldiers do it? Right?
is it important as stated in the title of this thread? YES,its OUR soldiers, they are there representing ALL America.
Is it important about abusing a dog? YES, it already been PROVEN people that do torture small furry animals eventually move on to the upright,2 legged animals,HUMANS.
I am sick of hearing about a "few bad apples". We are speaking of the United States of Americas military personel. Those "few bad apples" should have been weeded out long before they were sent into a war zone. IF this behavior has been displayed only since being in the present situation, then some evaluations of removing them from the location might possibly be in order.
We have no way of knowing what all our soldiers face over there, and will not ever know the whole story. Yes we may be given the opportunity to hear a few stories from soldiers we personally know,,,,,after the fact.
But we as citizens of America need to keep our eyes and ears open to stories such as this,NOT as something to bicker over on a message forum but to acknowledge there MIGHT just possibly be things going on that IS driving persons that would otherwise never consider doing such an act to that very point. And that my friends can be a very dangerous situation for his fellow soldiers fighting next to him during a life or death battle.
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
Why should who it is abusing the dog matter? Would it have been any more humane if it were Iraqi soldiers throwing the rocks, or British parliment members, or American congressmen? It's just inflamatory that the title to the post goes to great length to specify "U.S. Soldiers". And they were not "caught", they made the video itself.

Complain about cruelty to the animal...I'll back you up 100 percent. Use the title of this post to make it sound like ONLY U.S. Soldiers would do such a dastardly thing, and I'll condemn you for your prejudice way of thinking.


Did you not see U.S. Soldiers in the video? so its ok if our U.S. Soldiers do it? Right?


No it's not ok for ANYBODY to mistreat an animal. It's inflamatory and prejudice to make it sound like all US soldiers are animal abusers, and that's what you post title does.
PBA. I like you. I read all your posts each day and I have to say you have guts. You really know how to push the right buttons to get some of these folks riled up. I do believe that some of them have to take a blood pressure pill after they get through mouthing off. Keep it up , it is always nice to hear both sides of the story.
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Originally posted by smurph:
is it important as stated in the title of this thread? YES,its OUR soldiers, they are there representing ALL America.
Is it important about abusing a dog? YES, it already been PROVEN people that do torture small furry animals eventually move on to the upright,2 legged animals,HUMANS.
I am sick of hearing about a "few bad apples". We are speaking of the United States of Americas military personel. Those "few bad apples" should have been weeded out long before they were sent into a war zone. IF this behavior has been displayed only since being in the present situation, then some evaluations of removing them from the location might possibly be in order.
We have no way of knowing what all our soldiers face over there, and will not ever know the whole story. Yes we may be given the opportunity to hear a few stories from soldiers we personally know,,,,,after the fact.
But we as citizens of America need to keep our eyes and ears open to stories such as this,NOT as something to bicker over on a message forum but to acknowledge there MIGHT just possibly be things going on that IS driving persons that would otherwise never consider doing such an act to that very point. And that my friends can be a very dangerous situation for his fellow soldiers fighting next to him during a life or death battle.



Well said, smurff, I agree with you. And you are right. We won't know the truth because the truth is hidden from the facts. The media is not doing their job.
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Originally posted by yayasister:
PBA. I like you. I read all your posts each day and I have to say you have guts. You really know how to push the right buttons to get some of these folks riled up. I do believe that some of them have to take a blood pressure pill after they get through mouthing off. Keep it up , it is always nice to hear both sides of the story.


I Thank you!! I need all the friends I can get.lol! But all jokes aside, I'am not trying to make anyone mad!! I just want them to start looking for the truth and notice we think like the media wants us to think. they got us programed,think about it! Do we really act like American's should act? Read the post at least and decide for yourself!Thanks!
PBA,

I didn't see one thing wrong with the title of your post.It was U.S soldiers abusing a poor helpless animal.It wasn't a Muslim,illegal alien,Mexican,homosexual or anybodies momma-it was U.S soldiers.They should be punished just like anyone else would be.

I could be a real smart***, and say that they were having a mass hallucination and thought the poor animal was BUSH and just couldn't stop theirselves.

NO Excuse for their behavior,they need to be punished!
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sassy kims
[It's inflamatory and prejudice to make it sound like all US soldiers are animal abusers, and that's what you post title does.]
nowhere in that title was there any mention of ALL US soldiers. i understand your defense. But we must pay attention to these reports, for the safety of our soldiers and America as well.Things such as these reports may just possibly be the sign of how bad things are for our troops over there. jmho
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Originally posted by yankeewitch:
PBA,

I didn't see one thing wrong with the title of your post.It was U.S soldiers abusing a poor helpless animal.It wasn't a Muslim,illegal alien,Mexican,homosexual or anybodies momma-it was U.S soldiers.They should be punished just like anyone else would be.

I could be a real smartazz, and say that they were having a mass hallucination and thought the poor animal was BUSH and just couldn't stop theirselves.

NO Excuse for their behavior,they need to be punished!


thank you for your input!thanks for being nice!
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Originally posted by yankeewitch:
PBA,

I didn't see one thing wrong with the title of your post.It was U.S soldiers abusing a poor helpless animal.It wasn't a Muslim,illegal alien,Mexican,homosexual or anybodies momma-it was U.S soldiers.They should be punished just like anyone else would be.


I agree with Sassy Kim, this was posted to further an agenda, not out of concern for the animal. I submit that if it had been a Muslim, illegal alien,Mexican,homosexual, or anybodies momma- it would not have been posted.
Pretty transparent IMHO.
This topic has brought out just what I love about forums!(highly sarcastic)

What difference does it even make what PBA's "agenda" was? I may have never seen this if he hadn't posted it. I see no problem with him posting it. What I do see is a problem with some folks jumping him for reposting something from another site. Don't like him? Disagree with some or even alot of his posts? Thats your choice. But I can't understand anyone attacking him for bringing a real issue to light. Do we know if these people were "Muslim, illegal alien,Mexican,homosexual, or anybodies momma"? We don't have enough info on that. But apparently they WERE/ARE U.S. soldiers and there is no justification for it. Was this some some of interrogation? I seriously doubt it and even it were that wouuld only prove they need some sort of rehab. Regardless of what they have been through, what they did is disturbing and they should be disciplined.
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Originally posted by yayasister:
PBA. I like you. I read all your posts each day and I have to say you have guts. You really know how to push the right buttons to get some of these folks riled up. I do believe that some of them have to take a blood pressure pill after they get through mouthing off. Keep it up , it is always nice to hear both sides of the story.


Just remember >> "A slave is he or she who cannot speak his thoughts.": Euripides
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Originally posted by drdemo35:
This topic has brought out just what I love about forums!(highly sarcastic)

What difference does it even make what PBA's "agenda" was? I may have never seen this if he hadn't posted it. I see no problem with him posting it. What I do see is a problem with some folks jumping him for reposting something from another site. Don't like him? Disagree with some or even alot of his posts? Thats your choice. But I can't understand anyone attacking him for bringing a real issue to light. Do we know if these people were "Muslim, illegal alien,Mexican,homosexual, or anybodies momma"? We don't have enough info on that. But apparently they WERE/ARE U.S. soldiers and there is no justification for it. Was this some some of interrogation? I seriously doubt it and even it were that wouuld only prove they need some sort of rehab. Regardless of what they have been through, what they did is disturbing and they should be disciplined.


Thank you!
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Point is, there are bad people in ALL walks of life, including the Military... I didn't say it was right, but I would have been in a much better frame of mind NOT knowing this...

Is there anything WE can do about it? NO!!

Is there any changes that WE can make? NO!!

Do I want to know how many people a Soldier kills a day in war?? NO!!!

Do I want to know if they threw a rock at a dog? NO!!

There are things of war that the general public should NOT know... we are not TRAINED mentally to know... we have no idea of the atmosphere, the frustration, the fear, the horrors they live on a daily basis... And I just don't want to hear of any torture of an animal, let their commander take care of it. Frowner


KindredSpirit

War is hell, we are making war, from my position, I am responsible for the behavior of AMERICAN SOLDIERS. Not knowing what they are doing, good or evil, is not in my best interest. I hold myself responsible for them because I am helping to PAY THEIR SALARIES, AND LIVING EXPENSES. I don't want them abusing animals or people.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Point is, there are bad people in ALL walks of life, including the Military... I didn't say it was right, but I would have been in a much better frame of mind NOT knowing this...

Is there anything WE can do about it? NO!!

Is there any changes that WE can make? NO!!

Do I want to know how many people a Soldier kills a day in war?? NO!!!

Do I want to know if they threw a rock at a dog? NO!!

There are things of war that the general public should NOT know... we are not TRAINED mentally to know... we have no idea of the atmosphere, the frustration, the fear, the horrors they live on a daily basis... And I just don't want to hear of any torture of an animal, let their commander take care of it. Frowner


KindredSpirit

War is hell, we are making war, from my position, I am responsible for the behavior of AMERICAN SOLDIERS. Not knowing what they are doing, good or evil, is not in my best interest. I hold myself responsible for them because I am helping to PAY THEIR SALARIES, AND LIVING EXPENSES. I don't want them abusing animals or people.


Well Said!!I agree!
So what happens when they come home?(and I pray that they all do) Aren't they still U.S. Soldiers? If they torture yours or anyone else's pets then are you just going to justify it by what they have been through and wait for their commander to handle it? Next time you read about someone, anyone, committing a crime against another living thing are you going to thoroughly check their history to see what they have been through so you can possibly justify it?
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Originally posted by interventor:
Would like to know the provenance of the DVD. This appears to be one of the teams the Army uses to eliminate stray dogs in their area of responsibility. Iraqi dogs and wild jackals carry a number of nasty diseases including rabies.

Elimination is for the safety of US and Iraqis in the area.


Army uses to eliminate stray dogs in their area of responsibility.
Oh Yeah, And if you fall for that one,I can tell you another big one. Thats The biggest bull I have heard in awhile!lmao! If you read the story it says dvd was found,it was a dvd made over there.Why would they video this, even if your story is true? And why would they torture the poor dog? why didn't they just eliminate with out throwing rocks?
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Army uses to eliminate stray dogs in their area of responsibility.
Oh Yeah, And if you fall for that one,I can tell you another big one. Thats The biggest bull I have heard in awhile!lmao!


You need to do real research, not just lmao. In Romania, soldiers were authorized to shoot stray dogs because of a rabies problem. In Afghanistan, canine handlers are authorized to shoot any stray dog that comes near their dog. I can speak first hand on both of these points.

We don't know how the dog was hurt to start with, it probably was hit by a vehicle, it happens a lot in this country. Throwing rocks at a dog to make it leave is something a lot of kids and adults have done. I'm completely against animal mistreatment in any form, plus soldiers are told not to go near stray dogs. They weren't shooting off it's feet or anything, they were trying to get it to leave.
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Originally posted by Alphonse

You need to do real research, not just lmao. In Romania, soldiers were authorized to shoot stray dogs because of a rabies problem. In Afghanistan, canine handlers are authorized to shoot any stray dog that comes near their dog. I can speak first hand on both of these points.

We don't know how the dog was hurt to start with, it probably was hit by a vehicle, it happens a lot in this country. Throwing rocks at a dog to make it leave is something a lot of kids and adults have done. I'm completely against animal mistreatment in any form, plus soldiers are told not to go near stray dogs. They weren't shooting off it's feet or anything, they were trying to get it to leave.


Hey, I have a beach front property in the desert that I'll sell you dirt cheap!
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Originally posted by Alphonse:
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Army uses to eliminate stray dogs in their area of responsibility.
Oh Yeah, And if you fall for that one,I can tell you another big one. Thats The biggest bull I have heard in awhile!lmao!


You need to do real research, not just lmao. In Romania, soldiers were authorized to shoot stray dogs because of a rabies problem. In Afghanistan, canine handlers are authorized to shoot any stray dog that comes near their dog. I can speak first hand on both of these points.

We don't know how the dog was hurt to start with, it probably was hit by a vehicle, it happens a lot in this country. Throwing rocks at a dog to make it leave is something a lot of kids and adults have done. I'm completely against animal mistreatment in any form, plus soldiers are told not to go near stray dogs. They weren't shooting off it's feet or anything, they were trying to get it to leave.


Well,why did'nt they shoot the dog? they threw rocks making fun of a poor hurt dog then video it to say,Hey, look mom I'm brave.
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Originally posted by yankeewitch:
Hey, I have a beach front property in the desert that I'll sell you dirt cheap!


What part of my post do you not believe? Did you read the text in the article?

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Animal advocates nationwide are horrified over a video allegedly taken from a CD found in Baghdad's Green Zone. This video, which recently surfaced on the Internet, depicts what appear to be U.S. soldiers taunting and tormenting a seriously injured dog.


"Allegedly taken","appear to be", these phrases tell me they don't know where this was and they don't know who did it. Neither do you.

Besides, Iraq is mostly desert and the part near the beach is where the oil fields are at. So, I'll take you up on your real estate offer.

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