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P Pogo142Post Master
Big Bubba:

Bush had every right to invade that country.

________________________________________________

No one has the right to invade another country unless it is in self defense. If he had any right he wouldn't have lied about it. An unprovoked attack, invasion and occupation of a country is illegal under International Law.

If we thought Saddam was so bad we wouldn't have supported him in the 1980's and help him build up his military.
D DelldudeHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bubba:
Bush had every right to invade that country.


If thats the case, then why are you here writing this? Confused

Hell, instead you should be over there helping your BUDDY BUSH win the BIG ONE. (That he started)which has cost the lives of over 30 thousand plus American service personel that have been wounded, and killed for that pip squeak Bush,and his over zealous vice, and his Haliburton conglomerate) and least we forget the BILLION's it has cost us that we'll be paying for, for the next 2 generation's.

Semper Fi,(Carry on Citizen!)
Southern PatriotSouthern PatriotHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Delldude:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bubba:
Bush had every right to invade that country.


If thats the case, then why are you here writing this? Confused

Hell, instead you should be over there helping your BUDDY BUSH win the BIG ONE. (That he started)which has cost the lives of over 30 thousand plus American service personel that have been wounded, and killed for that pip squeak Bush,and his over zealous vice, and his Haliburton conglomerate) and least we forget the BILLION's it has cost us that we'll be paying for, for the next 2 generation's.

Semper Fi,(Carry on Citizen!)


You are an ignorant, obnoxious ass who has no argument for somone who supports the President besides "why aren't you over there fighting". We still have a voulnteer military and it needs to stay thet way. Everyone is not cut out to serve and short of an all-out world war shouldn't be made to. Come up with another argument. You are simply a basher with no clue.
D DelldudeHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
quote:
Originally posted by Delldude:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bubba:
Bush had every right to invade that country.


If thats the case, then why are you here writing this? Confused

Hell, instead you should be over there helping your BUDDY BUSH win the BIG ONE. (That he started)which has cost the lives of over 30 thousand plus American service personel that have been wounded, and killed for that pip squeak Bush,and his over zealous vice, and his Haliburton conglomerate) and least we forget the BILLION's it has cost us that we'll be paying for, for the next 2 generation's.

Semper Fi,(Carry on Citizen!)


You are an ignorant, obnoxious ass who has no argument for somone who supports the President besides "why aren't you over there fighting". We still have a voulnteer military and it needs to stay thet way. Everyone is not cut out to serve and short of an all-out world war shouldn't be made to. Come up with another argument. You are simply a basher with no clue.


How's this ****-head,for obnoxious?

I did mine in Viet-Nam as a Grunt. What were you doing besides blowing off? You know what a grunt does? they do the work cowards like your self are too scared to do. 50 thouand plus died for your sorry ass because "it just wasn't an all out war" HOW ******* STUPID can you get, no just a cope-out to get out of getting your sorry a** shot off by those little guys in black who we as Grunts looked up too because they also fought for what they believed, and believe this too they were as tough as nails. Where were you? Your lazy a** was probably hiding out in some dormatory playing with the girls telling everyone "ITS NOT A BG ENOUGH WAR FOR ME TO GET INVOLVED IN" I think I figured your sorry a** out quick HUH?

Now how do you like my obnoxious ways now ignorant a** Razzer

Semper Fi,(Carry on citizen!
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Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
That video should change the mind of ANYONE who is for this war. Those soldiers aren't fighting for my rights. They're killing because they get off on it. They're pigs and their officers trained them to be that way. I hope their mothers never have to see what their sons have become.

We have GOT to stand up and get the good soldiers home before more soldiers like the ones in that video can do more damage.
Southern PatriotSouthern PatriotHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Delldude:
quote:
Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
quote:
Originally posted by Delldude:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bubba:
Bush had every right to invade that country.


If thats the case, then why are you here writing this? Confused

Hell, instead you should be over there helping your BUDDY BUSH win the BIG ONE. (That he started)which has cost the lives of over 30 thousand plus American service personel that have been wounded, and killed for that pip squeak Bush,and his over zealous vice, and his Haliburton conglomerate) and least we forget the BILLION's it has cost us that we'll be paying for, for the next 2 generation's.

Semper Fi,(Carry on Citizen!)


You are an ignorant, obnoxious ass who has no argument for somone who supports the President besides "why aren't you over there fighting". We still have a voulnteer military and it needs to stay thet way. Everyone is not cut out to serve and short of an all-out world war shouldn't be made to. Come up with another argument. You are simply a basher with no clue.


How's this ****-head,for obnoxious?

I did mine in Viet-Nam as a Grunt. What were you doing besides blowing off? You know what a grunt does? they do the work cowards like your self are too scared to do. 50 thouand plus died for your sorry ass because "it just wasn't an all out war" HOW ******* STUPID can you get, no just a cope-out to get out of getting your sorry a** shot off by those little guys in black who we as Grunts looked up too because they also fought for what they believed, and believe this too they were as tough as nails. Where were you? Your lazy a** was probably hiding out in some dormatory playing with the girls telling everyone "ITS NOT A BG ENOUGH WAR FOR ME TO GET INVOLVED IN" I think I figured your sorry a** out quick HUH?

Now how do you like my obnoxious ways now ignorant a** Razzer

Semper Fi,(Carry on citizen!
I've spent the last 18 years of my life in the military. I lost an uncle in Vietnam and our country lost a war there because of bleeding heart, p***y ass liberals. If you don't know what the **** you are talking about and have no better argument that "Go fight for your buddy Bush" go the hell away.
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Southern PatriotSouthern PatriotHall of Famer
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Originally posted by one who posts:
That video should change the mind of ANYONE who is for this war. Those soldiers aren't fighting for my rights. They're killing because they get off on it. They're pigs and their officers trained them to be that way. I hope their mothers never have to see what their sons have become.

We have GOT to stand up and get the good soldiers home before more soldiers like the ones in that video can do more damage.


There are bad individuals in every conflict. You can go back through evey battle, from every conflict ever fought and find them. To say that a few spoil the purpose of the many is ridiculous.
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
quote:
Originally posted by one who posts:
That video should change the mind of ANYONE who is for this war. Those soldiers aren't fighting for my rights. They're killing because they get off on it. They're pigs and their officers trained them to be that way. I hope their mothers never have to see what their sons have become.

We have GOT to stand up and get the good soldiers home before more soldiers like the ones in that video can do more damage.


There are bad individuals in every conflict. You can go back through evey battle, from every conflict ever fought and find them. To say that a few spoil the purpose of the many is ridiculous.


I said it in another post and I'll say it again in this one: it's funny how the whole of Catholic clergy are indicted on the sins of a few, but as soon as soldiers are involved in the discussion everyone pulls out the "one bad apple" line of reasoning. It's inconsistent to say the least.
Southern PatriotSouthern PatriotHall of Famer
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Originally posted by one who posts:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by one who posts:
That video should change the mind of ANYONE who is for this war. Those soldiers aren't fighting for my rights. They're killing because they get off on it. They're pigs and their officers trained them to be that way. I hope their mothers never have to see what their sons have become.

We have GOT to stand up and get the good soldiers home before more soldiers like the ones in that video can do more damage.


There are bad individuals in every conflict. You can go back through evey battle, from every conflict ever fought and find them. To say that a few spoil the purpose of the many is ridiculous.


I said it in another post and I'll say it again in this one: it's funny how the whole of Catholic clergy are indicted on the sins of a few, but as soon as soldiers are involved in the discussion everyone pulls out the "one bad apple" line of reasoning. It's inconsistent to say the least.

You've never heard that from me and never will.
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
one bad apple? It seems to me their is a hell of lot of bad apples and some got caught and some did not. yep,I would say alot more than one or two bad apples.


I don't know this for fact, but, it would not surprise me if the number of "bad apples" in the military and the number in clergy are comparable. Considering the number of clergymen in the world, the few that have been noted in media would make for a miniscule ratio. However, more of these videos are popping up all the time; not to mention the pictures that have come to light.

I believe that these examples are illustrated well with the iceberg concept: for every one that emerges there is a major mass that has not been dicovered. If this holds true, there are several clergymen who are represented by the one makning news. The same could be said of the soldiers, but the number should be much larger since in each instance there are multiple soldiers involved.

I know, I know. This is all illustrative theory. No matter, though. It still proves the inconsistency.
J Jan55Old Faithful
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
one bad apple? It seems to me their is a hell of lot of bad apples and some got caught and some did not. yep,I would say alot more than one or two bad apples.


But then again PBA, what do you know?




Yep, I forget you know so much more than anyone else.I think we all know that the war in Iraq was based on lies and we know where those lies came from and how the press has covered it up.
Southern PatriotSouthern PatriotHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by one who posts:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
one bad apple? It seems to me their is a hell of lot of bad apples and some got caught and some did not. yep,I would say alot more than one or two bad apples.


I don't know this for fact, but, it would not surprise me if the number of "bad apples" in the military and the number in clergy are comparable. Considering the number of clergymen in the world, the few that have been noted in media would make for a miniscule ratio. However, more of these videos are popping up all the time; not to mention the pictures that have come to light.

I believe that these examples are illustrated well with the iceberg concept: for every one that emerges there is a major mass that has not been dicovered. If this holds true, there are several clergymen who are represented by the one makning news. The same could be said of the soldiers, but the number should be much larger since in each instance there are multiple soldiers involved.

I know, I know. This is all illustrative theory. No matter, though. It still proves the inconsistency.


You know you can't make that generalization though. Besides, just like the old "squeeky wheel getting the grease" the bad ones will get ALL the publicity. They never show the thousands that get it right every day.
Southern PatriotSouthern PatriotHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
quote:
Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
one bad apple? It seems to me their is a hell of lot of bad apples and some got caught and some did not. yep,I would say alot more than one or two bad apples.


But then again PBA, what do you know?




Yep, I forget you know so much more than anyone else.I think we all know that the war in Iraq was based on lies and we know where those lies came from and how the press has covered it up.

Again with "lies" and "press cover up". Are you realy so blind to the truth that you think the US press would cover up ANYTHING for GWB. Even you know better than that.
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
quote:
Originally posted by one who posts:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
one bad apple? It seems to me their is a hell of lot of bad apples and some got caught and some did not. yep,I would say alot more than one or two bad apples.


I don't know this for fact, but, it would not surprise me if the number of "bad apples" in the military and the number in clergy are comparable. Considering the number of clergymen in the world, the few that have been noted in media would make for a miniscule ratio. However, more of these videos are popping up all the time; not to mention the pictures that have come to light.

I believe that these examples are illustrated well with the iceberg concept: for every one that emerges there is a major mass that has not been dicovered. If this holds true, there are several clergymen who are represented by the one makning news. The same could be said of the soldiers, but the number should be much larger since in each instance there are multiple soldiers involved.

I know, I know. This is all illustrative theory. No matter, though. It still proves the inconsistency.


You know you can't make that generalization though. Besides, just like the old "squeeky wheel getting the grease" the bad ones will get ALL the publicity. They never show the thousands that get it right every day.


That's exactly my point. I would never make that generalization about soldiers. It just seems like a lot of people are willing to do it with clergy. I guess it's to justify sleeping late on Sunday morning! (ha!)
Southern PatriotSouthern PatriotHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by one who posts:
quote:
Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
quote:
Originally posted by one who posts:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
one bad apple? It seems to me their is a hell of lot of bad apples and some got caught and some did not. yep,I would say alot more than one or two bad apples.


I don't know this for fact, but, it would not surprise me if the number of "bad apples" in the military and the number in clergy are comparable. Considering the number of clergymen in the world, the few that have been noted in media would make for a miniscule ratio. However, more of these videos are popping up all the time; not to mention the pictures that have come to light.

I believe that these examples are illustrated well with the iceberg concept: for every one that emerges there is a major mass that has not been dicovered. If this holds true, there are several clergymen who are represented by the one makning news. The same could be said of the soldiers, but the number should be much larger since in each instance there are multiple soldiers involved.

I know, I know. This is all illustrative theory. No matter, though. It still proves the inconsistency.


You know you can't make that generalization though. Besides, just like the old "squeeky wheel getting the grease" the bad ones will get ALL the publicity. They never show the thousands that get it right every day.


That's exactly my point. I would never make that generalization about soldiers. It just seems like a lot of people are willing to do it with clergy. I guess it's to justify sleeping late on Sunday morning! (ha!)


I think we are agreeing without realizing it... Big Grin
KindredKindredOld Faithful
I saw a documentary from a reporter who housed with the Troops in Bagdad a couple nights ago... it was surreal. It sure makes one think about what is happening over there...

That show was an eye-opener for more than one reason, and I just wish everyone could see it. It makes me Pray all the harder for our Troops and for our Civilians that are there amongst the enemy... it is so scary, it is so sad, it is just plain horrible.

I think that our Troops, especially the ones in the center of the bloodbath are trying so hard to do a good job each and every MINUTE of every day, they are continually having to move, they cannot stay in one place very long.

Some of the Iraqians who "be-friended" our Troops and the Newsman have betrayed them to the point of heartbreak.... and that has a ripple effect to all of us.

I hope and Pray that each one of you remember our friend that was here at one time named mauiboy.... it so happens that he is in Bagdad now... and he can rarely get computer access at the time... but he has described a lot of what is going on in our emails. He sent me a picture of him and his wife and children, and what a handsome lot they are!!!!

I think of him every day, and when 2 or 3 days go by without hearing from him, I get all scared... but then magically, there he is in email!!!! A tough guy he is!!!

If you guys remember him, please say an extra prayer for him... he has 230 days left, and I pray he comes home safe and sound to his family... he is a very remarkable young man!!!

I know there are a LOT of things wrong with this war, an opinion I get a lot from many people, but I also think of mauiboy over there fighting for his very life on a daily basis and it humbles me... if anyone can understand that.

mauiboy is NOT a bad guy, or a bad apple, he is a human being just like the rest of us, and although he is counting days until he can be with his family, he is doing his job to the best of his ability, ...and I pray that it is enough!!! God Speed, mauiboy!!!!!
KindredKindredOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Pogo142:
Big Bubba:

Bush had every right to invade that country.

________________________________________________

No one has the right to invade another country unless it is in self defense. If he had any right he wouldn't have lied about it. An unprovoked attack, invasion and occupation of a country is illegal under International Law.

If we thought Saddam was so bad we wouldn't have supported him in the 1980's and help him build up his military.


I think people forget that George Sr. sold Saddam weaponry, AND he was in business with him at one time...

If everyone here would do an extensive search on Prescott Bush, George Sr. and Jr. then the FACTS of their involvement with our "enemy" would certainly surprise a lot of people.

And although I am behind our Troops, especially the ones I am in contact with, (they are near and dear to my heart) I also have to say that I agree that we should NOT have invaded a country that posed us no threat.

I still would love to see us go after Bin Ladin... I think THAT is where our loyalties lie... in getting THAT MAN!!!!!
KindredKindredOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Jumunji the JoJo:
May those soldiers burn in hell. Every brother, father, uncle, mother, sister, aunt, or just regular civilian they kill, they increase the chances of some law abiding soldier being killed by resistance fighters.

This lack of regard for non-American life is why we are there in the first place. The CIA started this war with their medling a long long time ago.


Good point... and well said!!!
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
quote:
Originally posted by one who posts:
quote:
Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
quote:
Originally posted by one who posts:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
one bad apple? It seems to me their is a hell of lot of bad apples and some got caught and some did not. yep,I would say alot more than one or two bad apples.


I don't know this for fact, but, it would not surprise me if the number of "bad apples" in the military and the number in clergy are comparable. Considering the number of clergymen in the world, the few that have been noted in media would make for a miniscule ratio. However, more of these videos are popping up all the time; not to mention the pictures that have come to light.

I believe that these examples are illustrated well with the iceberg concept: for every one that emerges there is a major mass that has not been dicovered. If this holds true, there are several clergymen who are represented by the one makning news. The same could be said of the soldiers, but the number should be much larger since in each instance there are multiple soldiers involved.

I know, I know. This is all illustrative theory. No matter, though. It still proves the inconsistency.


You know you can't make that generalization though. Besides, just like the old "squeeky wheel getting the grease" the bad ones will get ALL the publicity. They never show the thousands that get it right every day.


That's exactly my point. I would never make that generalization about soldiers. It just seems like a lot of people are willing to do it with clergy. I guess it's to justify sleeping late on Sunday morning! (ha!)


I think we are agreeing without realizing it... Big Grin


Yup!

And, pba, bro', we typically agree so salt this with that, but I don't think my point could have been any more elementary or plainer. I was pointing out inconsistency.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Delldude:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bubba:
Bush had every right to invade that country.


If thats the case, then why are you here writing this? Confused

Hell, instead you should be over there helping your BUDDY BUSH win the BIG ONE. (That he started)which has cost the lives of over 30 thousand plus American service personel that have been wounded, and killed for that pip squeak Bush,and his over zealous vice, and his Haliburton conglomerate) and least we forget the BILLION's it has cost us that we'll be paying for, for the next 2 generation's.

Semper Fi,(Carry on Citizen!)



You have SUCH a good point here on this post Delldude... that it makes me wonder how all these people on here screaming for Iraqian blood is NOT over there being part of it.... would be the right thing to do, huh??????
Rowan OakRowan OakHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
quote:
Originally posted by Jumunji the JoJo:
May those soldiers burn in hell. Every brother, father, uncle, mother, sister, aunt, or just regular civilian they kill, they increase the chances of some law abiding soldier being killed by resistance fighters.

This lack of regard for non-American life is why we are there in the first place. The CIA started this war with their medling a long long time ago.


Good point... and well said!!!


Wow! More Christians wishing they were God so they can send people to Hell. I hope this God you serve isn't so harsh with you and me.
P Pogo142Post Master
pba:

one bad apple? It seems to me their is a hell of lot of bad apples and some got caught and some did not. yep,I would say alot more than one or two bad apples.

________________________________________________________________________________________________

There have been numerous reports of US murdering civilians from day one. It has been reported by independent journalists like Aaron Glantz and foreign journalists like Robert Fisk and Iraqi journalists like Dahr Jamal and many others including US sources.

From day one with "shock and awe" killing civilians to those being shot at check points or just indiscriminately on the road or on Iraqi streets. These sources were also reporting abuses of prisoners before the Abu Ghraib scandal broke. The American people are being kept in the dark as to what is really happening. The US government has know admitted that at least one civilians has been killed a day and it's far more then that.

Part of the problem is Bush and has sent soldiers into a hostile environment where they are fighting a guerilla insurgency and they are open targets. They don't know who to trust and live in constant danger, never knowing when the next car bomb will go off or ambush will occur. That's because the Iraqi people don't really want us there.

Security and conditions have deteriorated it's almost where no one knows what to do.

The Iraqi resistance is ready to make a truce with the US if we agree to leave. They will work out the differences with the other militias. Many Iraqi's tried not to make this deteriorate into a civil war. The quicker we leave the better the situation will be. Support for al Qaeda will dry up.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Delldude:
quote:
Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
quote:
Originally posted by Delldude:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Bubba:
Bush had every right to invade that country.


If thats the case, then why are you here writing this? Confused

Hell, instead you should be over there helping your BUDDY BUSH win the BIG ONE. (That he started)which has cost the lives of over 30 thousand plus American service personel that have been wounded, and killed for that pip squeak Bush,and his over zealous vice, and his Haliburton conglomerate) and least we forget the BILLION's it has cost us that we'll be paying for, for the next 2 generation's.

Semper Fi,(Carry on Citizen!)


You are an ignorant, obnoxious ass who has no argument for somone who supports the President besides "why aren't you over there fighting". We still have a voulnteer military and it needs to stay thet way. Everyone is not cut out to serve and short of an all-out world war shouldn't be made to. Come up with another argument. You are simply a basher with no clue.


How's this ****-head,for obnoxious?

I did mine in Viet-Nam as a Grunt. What were you doing besides blowing off? You know what a grunt does? they do the work cowards like your self are too scared to do. 50 thouand plus died for your sorry ass because "it just wasn't an all out war" HOW ******* STUPID can you get, no just a cope-out to get out of getting your sorry a** shot off by those little guys in black who we as Grunts looked up too because they also fought for what they believed, and believe this too they were as tough as nails. Where were you? Your lazy a** was probably hiding out in some dormatory playing with the girls telling everyone "ITS NOT A BG ENOUGH WAR FOR ME TO GET INVOLVED IN" I think I figured your sorry a** out quick HUH?

Now how do you like my obnoxious ways now ignorant a** Razzer

Semper Fi,(Carry on citizen!



I stand up and applaud you!!! I know EXACTLY what you guys had to go through while you were in Vietnam, AND when you came home!!!!! The atrocities that rippled from that "Cold War" are still rippling, the lives destroyed, and some men are just getting slightly over $700 a month for having their entire life destroyed ....completely destroyed... losing their loved ones through divorce when they got home, the gov't turning their backs on them... the RED TAPE they STILL have to go through for ANY illness they have, even if it is war related....

I just hope and Pray that the younger generations that didn't SEE all that with their own eyes, don't have to SEE it all over again when Iraq is over....... Frowner
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KindredKindredOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by one who posts:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
one bad apple? It seems to me their is a hell of lot of bad apples and some got caught and some did not. yep,I would say alot more than one or two bad apples.


I don't know this for fact, but, it would not surprise me if the number of "bad apples" in the military and the number in clergy are comparable. Considering the number of clergymen in the world, the few that have been noted in media would make for a miniscule ratio. However, more of these videos are popping up all the time; not to mention the pictures that have come to light.

I believe that these examples are illustrated well with the iceberg concept: for every one that emerges there is a major mass that has not been dicovered. If this holds true, there are several clergymen who are represented by the one makning news. The same could be said of the soldiers, but the number should be much larger since in each instance there are multiple soldiers involved.

I know, I know. This is all illustrative theory. No matter, though. It still proves the inconsistency.



VERY good points here, and the validity of what you said cannot be ignored, even by those who have NO idea what is happening right now.
Southern PatriotSouthern PatriotHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Pogo142:
pba:

one bad apple? It seems to me their is a hell of lot of bad apples and some got caught and some did not. yep,I would say alot more than one or two bad apples.

________________________________________________________________________________________________

There have been numerous reports of US murdering civilians from day one. It has been reported by independent journalists like Aaron Glantz and foreign journalists like Robert Fisk and Iraqi journalists like Dahr Jamal and many others including US sources.

From day one with "shock and awe" killing civilians to those being shot at check points or just indiscriminately on the road or on Iraqi streets. These sources were also reporting abuses of prisoners before the Abu Ghraib scandal broke. The American people are being kept in the dark as to what is really happening. The US government has know admitted that at least one civilians has been killed a day and it's far more then that.

Part of the problem is Bush and has sent soldiers into a hostile environment where they are fighting a guerilla insurgency and they are open targets. They don't know who to trust and live in constant danger, never knowing when the next car bomb will go off or ambush will occur. That's because the Iraqi people don't really want us there.

Security and conditions have deteriorated it's almost where no one knows what to do.

The Iraqi resistance is ready to make a truce with the US if we agree to leave. They will work out the differences with the other militias. Many Iraqi's tried not to make this deteriorate into a civil war. The quicker we leave the better the situation will be. Support for al Qaeda will dry up.


You are kidding yourself about Insurgents in Iraq wanting to negotiate. They want us to leave so they can take over the country. Al Qaeda had plenty of support before Iraq and will continue to have support from the Muslim world after we leave Iraq. The sooner you accept that, the clearer you will be able to see things.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
one bad apple? It seems to me their is a hell of lot of bad apples and some got caught and some did not. yep,I would say alot more than one or two bad apples.


But then again PBA, what do you know?




Yep, I forget you know so much more than anyone else.I think we all know that the war in Iraq was based on lies and we know where those lies came from and how the press has covered it up.


PBA... chill out, you are a very smart man, and your research on this subject is impeccible... just keep on doing it... and while you are at it... maybe, just maybe you can find out what the "PAST BUSH's" have done, businesswise!!!! And you just might find out that the weaponry that Saddam DID have, including things like mustard gas, they got from George Sr.... they BOUGHT what they had mainly from us... how sad is that?
KindredKindredOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
quote:
Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
quote:
Originally posted by pba:
one bad apple? It seems to me their is a hell of lot of bad apples and some got caught and some did not. yep,I would say alot more than one or two bad apples.


But then again PBA, what do you know?




Yep, I forget you know so much more than anyone else.I think we all know that the war in Iraq was based on lies and we know where those lies came from and how the press has covered it up.

Again with "lies" and "press cover up". Are you realy so blind to the truth that you think the US press would cover up ANYTHING for GWB. Even you know better than that.



OMG!!!! I did NOT just read that!!!!! The Press has covered and made EXCUSES for dubbya since the very beginning... hence the outrage of so many Americans right now that the TRUTH is finally coming out!!!!! Wow... talk about one closeing their minds, ears and eyes!!!!
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PBA... chill out, you are a very smart man, and your research on this subject is impeccible... just keep on doing it...


LMAO! Probably the funniest thing I've read all day.


It is okay for you to laugh, Nash.... but in all honesty, I admire PBA for all the hours of research he puts into the postings he does... sometimes I do not like seeing MASS numbers of posts, but what he posts, he has put a LOT of time into.

I do not see the rest of us doing that...we just answer "off the cuff" and "from memory" and "from what media says"...

Just my take, and glad you got a laugh off it.
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
pba:

one bad apple? It seems to me their is a hell of lot of bad apples and some got caught and some did not. yep,I would say alot more than one or two bad apples.

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There have been numerous reports of US murdering civilians from day one. It has been reported by independent journalists like Aaron Glantz and foreign journalists like Robert Fisk and Iraqi journalists like Dahr Jamal and many others including US sources.

From day one with "shock and awe" killing civilians to those being shot at check points or just indiscriminately on the road or on Iraqi streets. These sources were also reporting abuses of prisoners before the Abu Ghraib scandal broke. The American people are being kept in the dark as to what is really happening. The US government has know admitted that at least one civilians has been killed a day and it's far more then that.

Part of the problem is Bush and has sent soldiers into a hostile environment where they are fighting a guerilla insurgency and they are open targets. They don't know who to trust and live in constant danger, never knowing when the next car bomb will go off or ambush will occur. That's because the Iraqi people don't really want us there.

Security and conditions have deteriorated it's almost where no one knows what to do.

The Iraqi resistance is ready to make a truce with the US if we agree to leave. They will work out the differences with the other militias. Many Iraqi's tried not to make this deteriorate into a civil war. The quicker we leave the better the situation will be. Support for al Qaeda will dry up.


You are kidding yourself about Insurgents in Iraq wanting to negotiate. They want us to leave so they can take over the country. Al Qaeda had plenty of support before Iraq and will continue to have support from the Muslim world after we leave Iraq. The sooner you accept that, the clearer you will be able to see things.



Al-Queda did NOT even reside in Iraq until we invaded... a proven fact. They came in droves AFTER we got there... They didnt even WANT Iraq until WE got involved!!!! We are what made them WANT it, ... Iraq was just too small for them to worry with, and Saddam had 'contracts' with them.

The middle Easterners may fight each other, but they will also take up for each other too... Their CULTURE alone will NEVER allow us to win this war... it is a lose/lose situation.
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It is okay for you to laugh, Nash.... but in all honesty, I admire PBA for all the hours of research he puts into the postings he does... sometimes I do not like seeing MASS numbers of posts, but what he posts, he has put a LOT of time into.


That's what is funny about it, he doesn't. He uses the same websites and simply copies and pastes their articles. It takes probably 10 minutes at most. I actually did a little research of my own on some of his "research". He posted an article that claimed to be from the Washington Post that said 655,000+ Iraqi civilians had been killed in the war. I went to the Washington Post's website and did an archive search on the title of the article. See the results for yourself.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/results.html...VERSE_CHRON&x=10&y=9

Not only that, but other people posted evidence that proved the 655,000+ figure is simply mathematical impossible. In other words, he is simply filling his head with crap and trying to do the same with us. He has no credibility, so think twice and do your own research before you put any stock in what pba has to say. Taking his posts for real research is like thinking the 700 club is real news.
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