The links do not work here either, Bill.

 

Never mind, though.  I suspect that all the ultraliberal (religiously) Baptist icon, Billy Graham (a sorry sell-out to hyper-ecumenism), is doing is promoting the politically conservative party line.  I suspect the content of the bulletin bull is to the implied effect that one needs to vote for the righteous Romney and not vote for the Odious Obama in order to be on God's side politically.

 

Typical rightest bias, Bill, and I ain't buyin' it.  Apparently Facebook doesn't either, for whatever reason. The world ain't missing much.

Hi Contendah,

 

Thank you for pointing this out.   To copy/paste the links into your browser, you need to put your cursor on the link in the post above, then click your right mouse button.  This will open a small pop-up window.  Select "Copy Link Location" with your left mouse button.

 

Then, you can open your browser and paste this into the browser address.  Hit Enter and you have the web site open.  It works for both links, for I did both before writing this post.

 

I pray that many churches will copy this Adobe .pdf file and put these inserts into their church bulletins.

 

Once again, thanks for the heads up.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill 

Hi Contendah,

 

You suggested, "I suspect the content of the bulletin bull is to the implied effect that one needs to vote for the righteous Romney and not vote for the Odious Obama in order to be on God's side politically."

 

No, what the bulletin insert really says is:

 

The legacy we leave behind for our children, grandchildren, and this great nation is crucial.  As I approach my 94th birthday, I realize this election could be my last.  I believe it is vitally important that we cast our ballots for candidates who base their decisions on biblical principles and support the nation of Israel.  I urge you to vote for those who protect the sanctity of life and support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman.  Vote for biblical values this November 6, and pray with me that America will remain one nation under God.

 

Contendah, is there really ANYTHING in that with which you disagree?

 

Personally, I agree with all of it.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Yes Bill there is something very wrong. You are wanting it printed in church bulletins.

More waste of your limited time, Bill.  Your buddy Pat Robertson says that God told him who's going to win the election.  It is a done deal, apparently, and putting this in church bulletins, besides being laugh-out-loud ridiculous, is unnecessary.  The outcome is predetermined.  LOL!!!!

Well I am confused as all get out. I thought you (Bill) were supporting Romney, but he is a Mormon. We all know how you feel about Mormons. So you are supporting Obama?

 

Or,

 

Could it be that since the Mormons are no longer on Graham's cult list everything has changed?

 

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

Today's word kiddies is "hypocrite"

 

This is what the bulletin inserts say:

 

The legacy we leave behind for our children, grandchildren, and this great nation is crucial.  As I approach my 94th birthday, I realize this election could be my last.  I believe it is vitally important that we cast our ballots for candidates who base their decisions on biblical principles and support the nation of Israel.  I urge you to vote for those who protect the sanctity of life and support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman.  Vote for biblical values this November 6, and pray with me that America will remain one nation under God.

 

What, in that, do you disagree with -- or would you change?   Or, do you not believe in church bulletins or inserts inside those bulletins.  Does your church have bulletins?  Are there ever any inserts in them?

 

I suppose I am trying to understand your comment.   Can you help me?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

Jesus said, in a nutshell, that we should love God with all our hearts, minds and souls, and that we should love our neighbor as ourselves. That is why I am voting for Obama. Because under Romney, my neighbor would suffer.

Facebook PAC, while mostly bipartisan, gave more money to GOP candidates/causes.

Facts sucks.

Bill I disagree with the pulpit telling members how to vote. I'm quite sure there are atheists sitting on pews every Sunday. What are you going to say if one jumps up and demands equal time; God forbid a visiting Catholic or Mormon?

Hi Quail,

 

If you will notice -- nothing in this insert tells anyone WHO to vote for -- only suggesting that we vote our Biblical Values.   Whether voting for a person or voting on issues -- that is always sound advise -- vote your Biblical Values.

 

And, my Biblical Values tell me same-sex marriage, abortion, etc., are not issues which God supports.  So, if God does not support them -- how can a Christian who votes Biblical Values vote for them?

 

So, not telling anyone who to vote for; only that the person should consult his/her Bible before voting.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

………..so Bill you think there would be no abortions, gays or same sex marriages if Romney was elected???

Bill doesn't mind that Romney was pro-choice before he started pandering to the Tea Party. Once he got their votes and won the nomination, he is now becoming more moderate. If he gets elected, his true liberal self will come to the fore.

 

My Biblical values tell me not to vote for a lying snake. Therefore I would NEVER vote for Romney.

My Biblical values tell me not to vote for a lying snake. Therefore I would NEVER vote for Romney.

 

 

Obama has never lied???????

 

If you base your vote on who lies, stay home and don't vote.

Bill>“And, my Biblical Values tell me same-sex marriage, abortion, etc., are not issues which God supports. So, if God does not support them -- how can a Christian who votes Biblical Values vote for them?”

　

Bill does biblical views support Catholicism and Mormonism? If not how do Christians justify voting for a Catholic or Mormon. I’ve been watching you persecute these two divisions of the religious pie for some time. Why do you suddenly compromise your earlier stand against vic&vee? You must make up your mind since we are watching your lead.

 

ONO,

I don't know how you can claim to follow the Catholic faith and go with Obama.

The way the bill was written, if a mother's life were in danger, she would still be denied that late-term abortion. The mother would be forced by the GOVERNMENT to forfeit her own life in favor of the fetus. While Obama does not favor abortions, he believes the MOTHER should make the choice, not the government.

In my opinion Obama puts too much trust in women to make good choices- there are far too many elective abortions performed. 1 is too many. I long for the "Old days" when these social issues had no place in the election platforms.

 

No compromise.  I still believe Mormonism is a cult -- and I still believe that the Roman Catholic church has many doctrines, traditions, and rituals which are not Biblical.   Yet, if Vic and VP are against Obama's stand on same-sex marriage, abortion, illegal immigration, etc., and will vote to get him out of office -- I will happily stand alongside both Vic and VP in the voting booth, voting for Romney.

 

Is it a compromise to vote for Romney since he is in a cult church?   No, not really -- for his position regarding family values is the same as mine.  As long as he is against abortion, same-sex marriage, and looking the other way on illegal immigration -- he and I are in sync there.  I do not have to believe in his church -- to believe in these values and issues.

 

So, yes, I will vote my Biblical Values -- and I will vote for Romney.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by O No!:

Sure he does, even if that means murder.

 

In 1997, Obama voted in the Illinois Senate against SB 230, a bill designed to prevent partial-birth abortions. In the US Senate, Obama has consistently voted to expand embryonic stem cell research. He has voted against requiring minors who get out-of-state abortions to notify their parents. The National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL) gives Obama a 100% score on his pro-choice voting record in the Senate for 2005, 2006, and 2007.

Obama has consistently refused to support legislation that would define an infant who survives a late-term induced-labor abortion as a human being with the right to live. He insists that no restriction must ever be placed on the right of a mother to decide to abort her child.

On March 30, 2001, Obama was the only Illinois senator who rose to speak against a bill that would have protected babies who survived late term labor-induced abortion. Obama rose to object that if the bill passed, and a nine-month-old fetus survived a late-term labor-induced abortion was deemed to be a person who had a right to live, then the law would "forbid abortions to take place." Obama further explained the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not allow somebody to kill a child, so if the law deemed a child who survived a late-term labor-induced abortion had a right to live, "then this would be an anti-abortion statute."

Bill from your revelation I must conclude: Romnesia is a social disease and you are infected. You will however be covered under Obama care.

I disagree with the implied premise, so often iterated and cherished by conservative wingnuts, that the particular social issues identified by their candidates are the end-all and be-all of the moral and ethical issues at stake in a given election and that the other side is therefore evil because they do not share the same position on such issues.  The murderous and immoral evil inherent in waging a war on a base of lies, and in doing so causing the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens and plunging hundreds of thousands of them into refugee status, wasting the lives of thousands of American young men and women and squandering this nation's treasure in such a misbegotten, useless warmongering enterprise is a MORAL EVIL, Bill.  It is an awful, terrible legacy to leave behind with essentially nothing good  to show for it.

 

As to the support or non-support of Israel being any kind of "moral issue," I say BALONEY.  It might be a moral issue for those of you who torque Biblical prophecy on its head to promote the blasphemous notions that Israel will be restored to a sacerdotal system that Jesus died to abolish, and  that Israel needs our support so that some day the Jewish temple might be restored on the Temple Mount--and other such craziness as you premillennialist fantasists relentlessly and ignorantly promote.  But it ain't a moral issue for me. 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Quail,

No compromise.  I still believe Mormonism is a cult

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That's rich!!!

A man that believes Mormonism is a cult, calls himself a Christian, but intends to vote for the man that's in the cult?

Your true self is showing thru the tears in your sheep clothing, Billy.

Unfortunately the way the social climate is, conservative (small c) really have no recourse but to vote republican- as crumb pointed out, Obama has a 100% rating on abortion, fought against the rights of survivors of late term abortions, and has left me, personally with no choice BUT to vote for Romney. While this is not the venue to go into my politics, I will say that Obama has made himself an enemy of the Catholic Church, the sanctity of human life and the overall moral values for which most Christian people stand.

Unfortunately the way the social climate is, conservative (small c) really have no recourse but to vote republican- as crumb pointed out, Obama has a 100% rating on abortion, fought against the rights of survivors of late term abortions, and has left me, personally with no choice BUT to vote for Romney. While this is not the venue to go into my politics, I will say that Obama has made himself an enemy of the Catholic Church, the sanctity of human life and the overall moral values for which most Christian people stand.

I realize you did not intend a double post, but that is what I would expect a true Catholic to feel and believe and saying it twice was a good thing.

 

And before any one asks, no, I am not Catholic but I do respect someone who stands up for what they believe and doesn't  try to 'evolve' their position to fit public opinion.

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Hi VP,

 

I agree with you completely.  Obama has made himself the enemy of all in the Christian faith.  Like you, I will vote for Romney.  For even though he is not a Christian -- he does respect the Biblical Values which are important to all Christian believers.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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If that's true, you & he have a lot in common.

Well here is where we diverge bill, I would not say Obama is not a Christian. He professes to be, so that is between him an God. There are plenty of Christians who will be voting for Obama. Perhaps they can look beyond the social issues and vote on core economics- I have no idea. Is he Muslim? Who knows- and quite frankly, who cares. In my opinion a candidates religios affiliation should be as relevant as his shoe size. As long as he stands up for what is right and captains the ship. Just my 2cents And of course as I stated above I wish the climate were not such a hodgepodge with church and state.....then this would all be moot.

Vplee the Catholic church will massage what used to be a sin, just like Billy Graham has done to the discredit of God. Rev. Wright is going to turn out to be right after-all. I have never witnessed such two-faced propaganda to make Romney the peoples hero.  I don’t want to see another criticism of the Mormon religion.  …………or the Catholic religion Bill.

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Then you don't need to be reading this forum.

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Hi VP,

 

So, as a devout Roman Catholic -- you can look past God and the Bible, and only consider the economic issues?   Okay, you are saying that God and faith should not be considered at all -- that abortion is okay with you, that same-sex marriage is okay with you, that courting illegal immigrants just for votes is okay with you?  Wonder how your Pope and other church leaders stand on these issues?

 

So, let's say you are voting based ONLY upon economic issues.  What was the price of gas in 2008 and what are you paying now?   What was the price of food or virtually any commodity in 2008 and what are you paying now?  How about unions?   Obama is very pro-union -- are you?

 

You say, "Is he Muslim?  Who knows - and quite frankly, who cares."

 

Well, let me see.  How about those in Sharia controlled countries who are being persecuted and killed for their Christian faith.  I suppose replacing Roman Catholic traditions or Christian faith with Sharia Law means little to you now.   But, watch out when the boulder is starting to roll downhill and there is no one to stop it.

 

You get angry with me because I refute your Roman Catholic traditions and doctrines; yet you are willing to support and vote for a man who spits in the face of your Roman Catholic beliefs?  Okay!

 

Or, is it that you will disagree with me -- no matter what?   Yes, I suppose to you that makes sense.

 

These are just a few of the issues I will consider -- when I enter the voting booth on November 6th and vote FOR ROMNEY.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Hi all,

 

These links which were not working yesterday -- are working today:

 

The link below is for the BILLY GRAHAM LEGACY CHURCH BULLETIN INSERT (.pdf format).  You still have time to print this and include it in your bulletin several times before November 6th.

VOTE BIBLICAL VALUES ON NOVEMBER 6TH!

No IRS law against telling that to our congregations.

Bulletin Insert:  http://www.billygraham.org/vot...ulletin%20insert.pdf

BGEA Web Site:  http://www.billygraham.org/vot...cal-values/index.asp

 

See you at the Voting Booth on November 6th!

 

So, you can now print the bulletin inserts and share them with your church fellowship.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Bill I wouldn’t trust Billy Graham any further than I would trust a Rockefeller [which Romney thinks he is].

After all the criticism of the Catholic and Mormon religion you are out scrounging votes from them. The Mormon church has renounced Romney FCOL. You have blasphemed the good Christian name of Obama and God is not pleased for your doing so.

Excuse me? Bill I think you have misjudged what I wrote completely. I stand with my church, with the pope, and with all who value the sanctity of life. My only comment in which I disagreed with you is that you stated that Obama is not a Christian. I do not have that knowledge. It's not my business- it's between him and God. What I said was, maybe some people CAN get beyond the social issues and vote solely on the basics (economy, military etc) I also stated earlier that Obama is an enemy of those who stand for Christian values. So how you can (Mis) construe those statements to conclude that I support Obama is beyond me.....

***an enemy of what I believe in- he still may have a Christian relationship with God- that's not for me to judge.

Hi Folks,

 

Just one more reminder!  We vote next week.   So, you get a chance to vote for 4 years of Sharia Law values -- or 4 years of Pro-Life, Pro-Family, Pro-Marriage values.

 

So, next week -- VOTE YOUR BIBLICAL VALUES!

 

See you in the Voting Booth!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill