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Although I would rather a Progressive candidate with more intestinal fortitude it is at least comforting to know none of the current crop of Republican contenders stands any chance of defeating President Obama. If he keeps things on track, stopping the tar sands pipeline, vetos SOPA and PIPA, and cools down the riduclous attempt to start a war with Iran. He will enjoy another four years in office. Let's just hope when he gets it he finds a little more backbone an squashes even more of the idiotic Republican agenda.
Originally Posted by interventor1212:

If he stops the tar sand, we will pay dearly for gas imported from China, refined from Canadian oil.

 

SOPA and PIPA should never reach his desk.

 

Its Iran that continually threatens to block the Straits of Hormuz and torpedo a US carrier -- both acts of war.

Another clueless from I12, the uninformed.

I believe tar sands oil can currently only be refined into diesel, not gasoline. Secondly even if it were to be piped to refineries on the Gulf Coast, it is to be sold to foreign markets, and would have little effect on gasoline prices in this country.
That's not to say it wouldn't have some effect on trade balance figures, but even in the long run the speculation is that it wouldn't make much difference.
The 20,000 jobs figure is also very speculective, and at best would include few that are other than short term labor positions.
Originally Posted by SeniorCoffee:
I believe tar sands oil can currently only be refined into diesel, not gasoline. Secondly even if it were to be piped to refineries on the Gulf Coast, it is to be sold to foreign markets, and would have little effect on gasoline prices in this country.
That's not to say it wouldn't have some effect on trade balance figures, but even in the long run the speculation is that it wouldn't make much difference.
The 20,000 jobs figure is also very speculective, and at best would include few that are other than short term labor positions.

Well said. 

There are a couple more things that are left unsaid however:

> while the oil pumped in from Canada would be refined into diesel and sold overseas, it is our Gulf Coast where all the byproducts of that process would be stuck  with. In other words, we (the United States) gets very little benefit and all the pollution.

> However, even worse  would be if a major oil spill would occur in the Nebraska Sand Hill area where virtually all the water recharging the Ogallala Aquifer  originates. While as unlikely as a major oil spill in the Gulf, if it were to happen in the wrong place it is possable that the entire aquifer would be poisioned. If that were to happen, instead of complaining about the cost of gasoline at the pump, you would be complaining about the price of cereal grains and beef that could no longer be raised on our Great Plains . 

Easier for us to live without the pipeline, than to live without food.

 

On the other hand, a lot of my personal objection to it would be nutrilized it it were re-routed around the Nebraska Sand Hill area, AND if the byproduct of the refining were pumped back up to Canada instead of disposed of in the sesitive Gulf Area.

 

As a side not, like Senior Coffee said, this pipeline would have absolutely no effect on the price of gas at the pump. We are already producing more gasoline than we can use and are having to sell it overseas, which helps our trade balance , but the price is dictated by Wall Street traders. 

 

I am glad Obama finally grew a set.

Originally Posted by Ronnie P.:

There are no refineries in the Midwest ya dumbass.


There are a few.

 

 

Illinois

Indiana

 Kansas

Michigan

 Minnesota

North Dakota

Last edited by Mr.Dittohead
Originally Posted by interventor1212:

If he stops the tar sand, we will pay dearly for gas imported from China, refined from Canadian oil.

 

SOPA and PIPA should never reach his desk.

 

Its Iran that continually threatens to block the Straits of Hormuz and torpedo a US carrier -- both acts of war.

I believe embargos and sanctions are considered acts of war also.

Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:
Originally Posted by Ronnie P.:

There are no refineries in the Midwest ya dumbass.


There are a few.

 

 

Illinois

Indiana

 Kansas

Michigan

 Minnesota

North Dakota

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No surprise that Ronnie P. would miss the obvious, he being dense as depleted uranium.

Originally Posted by SeniorCoffee:
I believe tar sands oil can currently only be refined into diesel, not gasoline. 

If you will do a little research, you will find that what you 'believe' in this case is wrong.

 

"Once extracted, the material is transported to the processing facility where the oil sands go through a process that separates the bitumen from the sand. The resulting bitumen is upgraded into an oil that is ready to be refined into multiple products, including gasoline and diesel."

 

...but hey, don't let a fact get in your way... none of the other "progressives" <snicker> here do...

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