Where am I? Why trying to find something worth reading on these forums. Actually, I think I saw you supervising inmates yesterday in Athens. Were you washing sheriffs' cars wearing an orange jump suit? Are "trustees" now considered "supervision"?

(rimshot) Thanks Ladies and Germs, I got a million of 'em, and now Miss Fanny Brice will render us a little ditty called "Secondhand Rose."

Some topics are so overdone that scant reply is required. The equations of Hitler and gays and gays and pedophiles reveals the overall "debate" character of the regular thought-challenged here. We ain't straight out of Cambridge, we straight out of da trailer!
Funny Neal ,,you quoting Kid Rock ..Love that song by the way . Wink But yours wasnt as funny as what Jetboy said ,,now that theres funny Big Grin
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27% of men have experienced military sexual trauma
60% of women have experienced military sexual trauma



Mean,

Those numbers seem quite unbelievable. Yeah, I know you quoted your source but I simply cannot believe that that many people have experienced "trauma."

I'd like to know they define "trauma." I've had my butt slapped by other dudes during various sports things (no, I do not know why we do that). Have I been "traumatized"? No.

But, back to the subject at hand: I wonder if anyone would get upset if we debated if black folks should serve in the military. Why, I can't imagine why they would.
GoFish, it's pretty bad. That number doesn't actually surprise me.

My daughter had a young man in one of her classes that was being tormented by the instructor. The instructor had a pet name for this kid & the kid just took the abuse and humiliation. My daughter stood up in a fury one day and threatened to report the instructor, which effectively ended it. It happens but everyone is not aware of their options, that or it's just more difficult for the guys to report embarrassing crap like that. I dunno.

The military HAS cracked down on public displays of affection, but they can't always know what goes on behind closed doors. Sometimes it's an abuse of power situation & sometimes it's just a person being who they are. Some people sleep around. It could also get you boot-kicked out of the military and is a stupid risk to take. Most wear the uniform with honor but you know there are always some the rest would like to personally boot kick out of there, just as in any organization.

Oh, and as to what sexual orientation someone is...when you are in a combat situation, that is not an issue. You do what you are trained to do, period, and they are trained well.
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Oh, and as to what sexual orientation someone is...when you are in a combat situation, that is not an issue.



Do you think your Christian god would think it is an issue?
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Oh, and as to what sexual orientation someone is...when you are in a combat situation, that is not an issue. You do what you are trained to do, period, and they are trained well.



Do you think your Christian god would think it is an issue?


MY Christian God? And lower case even. How about that? So you are not a Christian but just use the Bible to judge others? That's a bit twisted, jetboy. Smiler You want we to tell you what my Christian God thinks about that, too? Nah, I'm sure I'm just misunderstooding you. You clarify that for me & we'll talk.
Yes YOUR Christian God. Do you not claim to be a Christian? I only asked you if YOUR Christian God would think ones sexual oreintation is an issue. Don't want to answer that one do you?

And since when does one have to be a Christian to be knowledgable, or comment on the Christian bible?


And WHEN have I ever claimed to be a CHristian?
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So, are you a Christian or not?



What does it matter?...are you going to answer my question or not?
I believe I said...you clear that up for me & we'll talk. You know exactly why it's important, which is why you are afraid to tell me.Wink So, are you a Christian or not?
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I believe I said...you clear that up for me & we'll talk. You know exactly why it's important, which is why you are afraid to tell me.Wink So, are you a Christian or not?



I have no idea why my religion or lack thereof plays any part with you answering my question.

If you are not secure enough in YOUR religion to state how it believes, then I have to wonder...just what is this strange new religion?

Every Christian I have ever met was not the least bit afraid to tell it like it is...like it or not.

One thing I admire about Bill, even though he lied about me.
Well, since you refuse to clear that up for me, which is such a simple question, I refuse to answer your's.

It is important to know if I am speaking to a Christian or not if I am discussing the Bible with someone.

Also, if you would like to discuss what the Bible has to say about homosexuality, you might want to start your own thread since that is not the subject of this one.

OR, you could simply go find one of the many threads you've already started on homosexuality & bump it to the top of the list. I believe I gave my own opinion concerning this on one or two of them, likely the first two. Smiler
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NEAL, Be VERY CAREFUL about poking fun of "The Holy Ghost" I probably would have agreed with you on some stuff until I read that part, I would be scared to even walk BESIDE OF YOU in a lightning storm...... BE CAREFUL.....
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Well, since you refuse to clear that up for me, which is such a simple question, I refuse to answer your's.

It is important to know if I am speaking to a Christian or not if I am discussing the Bible with someone.

Also, if you would like to discuss what the Bible has to say about homosexuality, you might want to start your own thread since that is not the subject of this one.

OR, you could simply go find one of the many threads you've already started on homosexuality & bump it to the top of the list. I believe I gave my own opinion concerning this on one or two of them, likely the first two.




I am a Christian...now bring on your answer.
Dear Holy, I was not mocking the Holy Spirit, rather that people take political points and confuse them with religious ones and claim that the "Spirit" leads them when they are not being true, just sad and confused.

Every time I say the Creed I do say and mean, "and in the Holy Spirit, the giver of life who proceeds from the Father and the Son, and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified."

I do not believe that God in any Person leads a person towards hate or second class status, that is our own human doings. God needs no help from us in the pursuit of evil, we seem to have it down pat.
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Oh, and as to what sexual orientation someone is...when you are in a combat situation, that is not an issue. You do what you are trained to do, period, and they are trained well.



Do you think your Christian god would think it is an issue?


MY Christian God? And lower case even. How about that? So you are not a Christian but just use the Bible to judge others? That's a bit twisted, jetboy. Smiler You want we to tell you what my Christian God thinks about that, too? Nah, I'm sure I'm just misunderstanding you. You clarify that for me & we'll talk.


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I am a Christian...now bring on your answer.


Thank you.

Based on Matt 22:15-22, I think He would ask who our military belongs to or represents, the US or God. As Jesus told the Pharisees "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."

The only time we are to disobey our government's laws is when they tell us to do something contrary to the Word of God. 'IF' the law stated that members of the military must be homosexual (which it doesn't of course), that would be grounds for breaking the law of the land. That is not the case in this instance.
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Based on Matt 22:15-22, I think He would ask who our military belongs to or represents, the US or God. As Jesus told the Pharisees "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."

The only time we are to disobey our government's laws is when they tell us to do something contrary to the Word of God. 'IF' the law stated that members of the military must be homosexual (which it doesn't of course), that would be grounds for breaking the law of the land. That is not the case in this instance.




You have got to be kidding
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
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Originally posted by jetboy:
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Oh, and as to what sexual orientation someone is...when you are in a combat situation, that is not an issue. You do what you are trained to do, period, and they are trained well.



Do you think your Christian god would think it is an issue?


MY Christian God? And lower case even. How about that? So you are not a Christian but just use the Bible to judge others? That's a bit twisted, jetboy. Smiler You want we to tell you what my Christian God thinks about that, too? Nah, I'm sure I'm just misunderstanding you. You clarify that for me & we'll talk.


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I am a Christian...now bring on your answer.


Thank you.

Based on Matt 22:15-22, I think He would ask who our military belongs to or represents, the US or God. As Jesus told the Pharisees "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."

The only time we are to disobey our government's laws is when they tell us to do something contrary to the Word of God. 'IF' the law stated that members of the military must be homosexual (which it doesn't of course), that would be grounds for breaking the law of the land. That is not the case in this instance.



You have got to be kidding


Confused No, not kidding. I thought the question was a little goofy, but I did answer it.
I'll tell you what I think. I think you have a child or close family member that is homosexual and you are trying to create on opening in the Christian faith for them. You might want to research 'abomination'!
jetboy, you are the one that brings it up all the time, not me. So take a look in the mirror. There is no point in treating you like a human being and trying to discuss anything with you apparently. If you are happy being so mean-spirited, have at it. I'm fine either way.
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jetboy, you are the one that brings it up all the time, not me. So take a look in the mirror. There is no point in treating you like a human being and trying to discuss anything with you apparently. If you are happy being so mean-spirited, have at it. I'm fine either way



I have simply told you the truth!
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jetboy, you are the one that brings it up all the time, not me. So take a look in the mirror. There is no point in treating you like a human being and trying to discuss anything with you apparently. If you are happy being so mean-spirited, have at it. I'm fine either way



I have simply told you the truth!


I would think you could tell by now that we already know the truth........ Big Grin
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I'll tell you what I think. I think you have a child or close family member that is homosexual and you are trying to create on opening in the Christian faith for them. You might want to research 'abomination'!
I took you up on the advice you gave Joy, and I researched "abomination" in the Bible.

Homophobic fundamentalists often quote two verses that seem to justify their hate of gay people. These two verses, both of which appear in the book of Leviticus, are:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

and . . .

"If a man lie with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."(Leviticus 20:13)

Let's back up a bit in Leviticus, shall we?

"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)

Imagine what would happen today if we killed every child who was disrespectful to his parents. And you are still your mama and daddy's child even after you are grown. Fundamentalists explain this verse away, saying that it is part of the Old Levitical Holiness Code and is not meant to be taken literally. Really? Not to be taken literally? Sounds pretty literal to me. The above verse is just 3 verses before Leviticus 20:13, one of the favorite anti-gay scriptures which, of course, they do choose to apply literally.

Fundamentalists change their entire methodology of scriptural interpretation when it suits their purpose, even when dealing with verses that are a just couple of sentences away from each other.

"If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people." (Leviticus 20:18)

Imagine what would happen today if we deported every man and woman who had ever had sex together while the woman was having her period. Fundamentalists decline the opportunity to take this verse literally, which is merely 5 verses after Leviticus 20:13. If I had a nickel for every time I have heard a guy say "if you can drive through mud, you can..." well - you've all heard the saying... Anyone who has uttered that should be cut off from the people. Sinners! Abominations!

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)

Did you ever wonder where racist, uneducated people got the idea that slaves were just property and not people? Directly from the above verse, which fundamentalists do not, of course, take literally. Or maybe they do. Jetboy, where do you buy your slaves?


"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27)

Bible-thumping fundamentalists never preach against the evils of shaving, as they do not take this verse literally for our day. Of course, they most certainly would do so if they had a personal bias against shaving, but apparently, they do not. Or, since I haven't seen our resident fundamentalists in person, maybe they do look like this:


"...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)

Farmers in this country almost always grow more than one kind of crop in their fields. In fact, they often must do so for ecological reasons. Fundamentalists do not apply this verse literally. If they were to preach against farmers, there would be an uproar, and rightfully so.

Fundamentalists also ignore the Biblical command to not wear clothes that have two different kinds of material. The shirts that many fundamentalists are often seen wearing are a cotton/polyester blend, the most common in the United States of America. They may be "Bible believing" Christians, but this is yet another verse that they don't believe should be applied to today. Seriously, God has spoken about the poly-wool blend socks.

Fundamentalists also like to use Leviticus 18:22 to justify their anti-gay prejudice. That verse says, "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." Perhaps you have heard some people refer to gay people as an "abomination." They get the idea directly from Leviticus 18:22. But did you know that the Bible calls other things an abomination as well?

* The Bible says that eating shrimp and lobster is an abomination:

"But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:10)

"They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination." (Leviticus 11:11)

"Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:12)

Stay away from Captain D's, Newbern's, anywhere with shrimp, lobster, catfish, and oysters. They are an abomination to you! And you put them in your mouth. For the love of Pete, no one is asking you to put a gay person in your mouth (well, no one on this thread) so what is the deal? Can't you take your hate and your holier-than thou attitude to Red Lobster or Joe's Crab Shack and leave the gay folks alone for a while?
You list many abominations in the bible. It what way does that change homosexuality from being an abomination?
The list illustrates how relevant the verses are that refer to homosexual acts as an abomination. They are not relevant, any more so than the ones that call the eating of shellfish, the wearing of cotton/wool blend socks, or the shaving of your sideburns an abomination.
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The list illustrates how relevant the verses are that refer to homosexual acts as an abomination. They are not relevant, any more so than the ones that call the eating of shellfish, the wearing of cotton/wool blend socks, or the shaving of your sideburns an abomination.


I reckon you will have to take up the relevancy of these abominations with God. No matter what you think of them...it doesn't make them any more or less. Joy is trying to justify homosexuality using the bible. I don't see it happening.

Jesus even had a little to say about it, easy goin' fellow that he was.

"And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."
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I reckon you will have to take up the relevancy of these abominations with God. No matter what you think of them...it doesn't make them any more or less.

Exactly. Eating crab legs, shrimp, and pig; shaving your sideburns; wearing cotton/wool blend pants; and planting two crops in the same field are all abominations to God.

Joy is trying to justify homosexuality using the bible. I don't see it happening.

Jesus even had a little to say about it, easy goin' fellow that he was.

And there you are wrong, again. Jesus had nothing to say about homosexuality. He was silent on the issue.

"And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."


I've read Matthew 19. I had it shoved down my throat when I belonged to a very backwards church. It is about divorce, not about being gay or straight.

As to the abominations, do you believe that eating shellfish = abomination in the eyes of God = wearing poly/cotton pants = abomination in the eyes of God = homosexuality = abomination in the eyes of God = shaving your sideburns and your beard? You realize that by wearing clothes of blended fabrics, eating shrimp, and / or shaving your sideburns or trimming your beard that you are just as much of an abomination as the gays that you spew your hatred against, right?
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As to the abominations, do you believe that eating shellfish = abomination in the eyes of God = wearing poly/cotton pants = abomination in the eyes of God = homosexuality = abomination in the eyes of God = shaving your sideburns and your beard? You realize that by wearing clothes of blended fabrics, eating shrimp, and / or shaving your sideburns or trimming your beard that you are just as much of an abomination as the gays that you spew your hatred against, right?


Have you been to Peking on a Friday or Saturday night? You can see all of the above at any given moment. Even the occasional act of aggression if someone in line gets too many of those abominable snow crab legs.
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Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female


Oh I think that speaks VOLUMES about homosexuality.

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