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Too many jobs have left the US but in this case I would be interested to know what the negotiations have been like between the Union and the Manufacturer?  I've been on both sides and I also know that many Unions are so rigid and self absorbed that they hold over companies the threat to strike and often times are just as responsible for decisions to move a company as the very people that make those decisions. 

Car Makers throughout time have moved factories to states with Open Shop type agreements where they were not under the thumb of the Unions.  Volkswagen located their plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee partly because of the though that it would be a non-union plant but the Union found a way in and now there is discord at the plant.  Yes Unions can and do increase member's benefits and wages but the often lose interest in their members to make way for a greater interest and that being in self interest. 

I wonder just how much the Union played a part in the decision to move to Mexico?   Unless we, as a nation, our Government, does something different we are going to se more and more great paying jobs go over our borders..

gbrk posted:

Too many jobs have left the US but in this case I would be interested to know what the negotiations have been like between the Union and the Manufacturer?  I've been on both sides and I also know that many Unions are so rigid and self absorbed that they hold over companies the threat to strike and often times are just as responsible for decisions to move a company as the very people that make those decisions. 

Car Makers throughout time have moved factories to states with Open Shop type agreements where they were not under the thumb of the Unions.  Volkswagen located their plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee partly because of the though that it would be a non-union plant but the Union found a way in and now there is discord at the plant.  Yes Unions can and do increase member's benefits and wages but the often lose interest in their members to make way for a greater interest and that being in self interest. 

I wonder just how much the Union played a part in the decision to move to Mexico?   Unless we, as a nation, our Government, does something different we are going to se more and more great paying jobs go over our borders..

It might not be so much a union-management fight as much as they were competing with those companies who already left the country. Some here might want to damm the company for leaving the country, but Carrier did provide employment for more than twenty years beyond the NAFTA deal's signing. I might note that the US is not alone in union strife:

http://qz.com/115107/unions-ar...-out-of-south-korea/

budsfarm posted:

We ought to invade Mexico and get out jobs back but we'd better hurry.  There's rumors of them building a wall.

Industrious, hard working, wanting a better life, and they can't do anything to the ****hole that is mexico? And notice how fast neighborhoods go to h*** when a bunch of those so called hard working, industrious, wanting a better life, invades.

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