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Did anybody else watch the CNN special last night "WEED" ?

If you did, did it make you change your mind , stay the same, get encouraged at the medical breakthroughs, or what ?,

I watched it, and although I already pretty much knew that whatever harm it may cause a person is far over hyped, and I was already aware of some of the medical promises of it, I was not aware of just how far reaching the medical aspects of it are.

Do you think as backassward as this state tends to be, we may at some point legalize it, for medical purposes if not for recreational purposes ?

 

 

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“Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.”
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I almost missed it because on the directory for my Dishnet it was listed as "Crimes of the Century" . I don't know if that is on Dishnet or CNN.

If you can find it on, or get it on the internet , I highly recommend it.

The doc was more geared towards the benefits of MJ as a medicine, and the somewhat miraculous results in some of the people who have tried it after exhausting all other drugs.

Originally Posted by unclegus:

I did not watch it, but it is only a matter of time that the politics will turn the other way on this matter.

Regardless of what any facts are, there is still going to be those who only think of it as the work of the devil!

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There are still a bunch who consider alcoholic beverages as the "devil's brew"

 

I watched it and here is my take on it. I cannot be sure if it was true facts or wishful thinking on the part of dope heads. I would want to observe firsthand a select group of people on it every day for a period of time to see for myself how they would be effected motor wise and how they would be affected mentally. Can one perform their job, drive or manage some skill like banking for example while smoking weed. There are several on here that I suspect as being on drugs and if they are an example god help us if it were legal.

BTW I've never.

My cousin died last year from cancer. She had never smoked pot in her life. When she could no longer eat (due to nausea, and pain) and had to keep going back into the hospital to be put on an IV to keep from dehydrating. Someone suggested Marijuana to help her. She took it in the form of food. Cookies and brownies. Its the only thing that helped her pain, anxiety and appetite. It allowed her to stay home and out of the hospital with her children a lot longer. Sadly it could not stop the spread of her cancer, but it gave her a little bit more quality of life near the end. 

 

 

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

I watched it and here is my take on it. I cannot be sure if it was true facts or wishful thinking on the part of dope heads. I would want to observe firsthand a select group of people on it every day for a period of time to see for myself how they would be effected motor wise and how they would be affected mentally. Can one perform their job, drive or manage some skill like banking for example while smoking weed. There are several on here that I suspect as being on drugs and if they are an example god help us if it were legal.

BTW I've never.

Well, I'm one of those you refer to that smoked quite a bit back in the late 60's and early 70's. I quit in 73 after my first child was born, but here is my take on if you can function:

The high from MJ last about 4 hours - give or take depending on the individual., so driving or doing anyting that would be would be critical during that time would have varying degrees of being dangerous, although for sake of comparison, a stoned person is probably more functional than a drunk one. After roughly 4 hours , you may be a little tired, but can drive or function just fine. 
The only long rnge problem I ever noticed was that after a while of toking you just kinda get to the point where you are relatively chilled out. Working a 8-5 job you can do fine, if you have higher ambitions, you probably don't want to do pot more than on a special occasion.

In other words, you just get to the point where you don't give a damm. (which in some situations , like long term illness , may be aa good thing)

One thing for sure, at least in my case, it is not addicting at all. Can't say the same for cigarettes.

 

I don't know seeweed. The hardest working, most ambitious man I know smokes it every day. He told me once that he started smoking pot at 15 and has only stopped for any length of time when he was in the military. 

 

He runs two businesses that he built from the ground up. I think that like everything else, it just depends of the person. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L..._cannabis_by_country

It is legal in only a few countries. That tells me something. I'll have to take Weed's testimony that after a while one might just not give-a-dime. That could be the danger. With 400 or so chemicals found in the plant it would take a mountain of research to determine what medical use could be pinpointed as helpful.  If one smokes it and finds it helps certain medical problems that could very well be the argument for some time to come. I watched the video crash recommended but I didn't see the science that would convince me of it's worth in specific medical problems. We understand the chemistry of the substance but our knowledge of biology has just not caught up with how this mixture of chemicals, being taken in to the body, may or may not  for sure be good effects to the cell.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

My cousin died last year from cancer. She had never smoked pot in her life. When she could no longer eat (due to nausea, and pain) and had to keep going back into the hospital to be put on an IV to keep from dehydrating. Someone suggested Marijuana to help her. She took it in the form of food. Cookies and brownies. Its the only thing that helped her pain, anxiety and appetite. It allowed her to stay home and out of the hospital with her children a lot longer. Sadly it could not stop the spread of her cancer, but it gave her a little bit more quality of life near the end. 

 

 

The strangest sight I have seen (or will ever see) was my cancer ridden grandmother smoking a joint on her back porch.  She had the same issues and someone at her chemo treatment told her to try it.  It didn't take her long to find someone who could fill her need

Originally Posted by Quaildog:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L..._cannabis_by_country

It is legal in only a few countries. That tells me something. I'll have to take Weed's testimony that after a while one might just not give-a-dime. That could be the danger. With 400 or so chemicals found in the plant it would take a mountain of research to determine what medical use could be pinpointed as helpful.  If one smokes it and finds it helps certain medical problems that could very well be the argument for some time to come. I watched the video crash recommended but I didn't see the science that would convince me of it's worth in specific medical problems. We understand the chemistry of the substance but our knowledge of biology has just not caught up with how this mixture of chemicals, being taken in to the body, may or may not  for sure be good effects to the cell.

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Possibly a different way to look at the situation. That view seems to be "prove it is medicinally helpful before we consider legalizing it.  I would suggest another way of looking at it:

Did you know, there has NEVER been a reported death from the overuse of MJ ?

That same claim cannot be made of most pharmaceuticals, even Tylenol.
So, I would say prove that it is harmful. This weed has been used for centuries in almost all cultures. In fact it was totally legal  here in the US, until the Great Depression era where , as now, people started looking for some group to blame, and they settled on the Mexicans.    (sound familiar). The recreational drug of choice for the Mexicans was MJ, so a newspaperman named Hurst pressured Washington to eleminate MJ. Since , as it turns out in reality, MJ is pretty harmless, so the only weapon the first "drug Czar" could use was false propagana , even making a movie called "Reefer Madness" the affects of which are still around today in the attitudes of the uninformed on the subject.

Said all that to say, as long as it helps people, or even if people think it helps them, and it produces no harmful affects, why the hell not ?

 

My daughter inlaw is studying at Auburn and has been working on a project to determine if Hemp can be a sustainable cash crop for the south. I wonder if that is what will finally push the old white guys in Montgomery towards legalizing MJ. The farmers are on board with growing hemp. It may have to happen backazzwards in this backazzwards area.  

 

I wish I could believe that they would actually educate themselves on the facts and legalize MJ for medical use. I don't hold out a lot of hope for that though. 

 

We need to get it legalized at the federal level first. 

 

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Jank, I'm sorry you lost your cousin. Seems like everyone has lost someone to this horrible disease, & most die in terrible pain, or so out of it they seem to be dead already. I suppose we owe that to God (if He exist) since he chooses not to answer prayers.

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Thanks Semi. You are right. It does seem like everyone has been touched by this disease. 

 
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Isn't it legal in California for medical purposes?

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Originally Posted by seeweed:

Yes. 

http://medicalmarijuana.procon...hp?resourceID=000881

21 states, none in the Bible belt South, further proof of backazzwardness.

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At one time, someone on here mentioned that you can buy weed on the street out of a stand, (think newspaper stand) in California. I wonder if that was true or was it a joke?

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

My daughter inlaw is studying at Auburn and has been working on a project to determine if Hemp can be a sustainable cash crop for the south. I wonder if that is what will finally push the old white guys in Montgomery towards legalizing MJ. The farmers are on board with growing hemp. It may have to happen backazzwards in this backazzwards area.  

 

I wish I could believe that they would actually educate themselves on the facts and legalize MJ for medical use. I don't hold out a lot of hope for that though. 

 

We need to get it legalized at the federal level first. 

 

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We have a federal republic for a reason.  Let the states experiment first on the best method before imposing things on the entire nation.

 

Originally Posted by POPEYE:

Seeweed, we are not backazzward. It is called morality. Why don't you take your backwardazz and move to California if you don't like the South.

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No, it's called ignorance .  Fortunately, ignorance can be fixed, and less ignorant people are more progressive in a lot of matters. 
Stupid on the other hand cannot be fixed, and someone who refuses to leave ignorance behind is stupid.
My family has been in Alabama since shortly after the Revolutionary war, I ain't leaving - although I would like to move to the Gulf Coast (changes in latitude (bring) changes in attitude - Jimmy Buffett)

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

My daughter inlaw is studying at Auburn and has been working on a project to determine if Hemp can be a sustainable cash crop for the south. I wonder if that is what will finally push the old white guys in Montgomery towards legalizing MJ. The farmers are on board with growing hemp. It may have to happen backazzwards in this backazzwards area.  

 

I wish I could believe that they would actually educate themselves on the facts and legalize MJ for medical use. I don't hold out a lot of hope for that though. 

 

We need to get it legalized at the federal level first. 

 

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We have a federal republic for a reason.  Let the states experiment first on the best method before imposing things on the entire nation.

 

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That is difficult to do if the Feds keep it illegal and insist on intervening.
Obama promised in his campaign that he would not let the feds intervene in states where MJ was legal. That's one promise he has not kept.

 

Originally Posted by POPEYE:

Seeweed, we are not backazzward. It is called morality. Why don't you take your backwardazz and move to California if you don't like the South.

Please I do not support legalization for the reasons I believe it is a gateway drug but morality?  Really who's morality mine or yours you sound like the folks against alcohol in Iuka.  Whats next full wool swimsuits from the 40s for the ladies??????

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

My daughter inlaw is studying at Auburn and has been working on a project to determine if Hemp can be a sustainable cash crop for the south. I wonder if that is what will finally push the old white guys in Montgomery towards legalizing MJ. The farmers are on board with growing hemp. It may have to happen backazzwards in this backazzwards area.  

 

I wish I could believe that they would actually educate themselves on the facts and legalize MJ for medical use. I don't hold out a lot of hope for that though. 

 

We need to get it legalized at the federal level first. 

 

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We have a federal republic for a reason.  Let the states experiment first on the best method before imposing things on the entire nation.

 

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That is difficult to do if the Feds keep it illegal and insist on intervening.
Obama promised in his campaign that he would not let the feds intervene in states where MJ was legal. That's one promise he has not kept.

 

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Congress should approve medical and agricultural use, first.  Then, proceed with full legalization, later.  Being a conservative, I refrain from jumping into shark infested waters wearing lead boots and a bag of chum. 

 

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by POPEYE:

Seeweed, we are not backazzward. It is called morality. Why don't you take your backwardazz and move to California if you don't like the South.

Please I do not support legalization for the reasons I believe it is a gateway drug but morality?  Really who's morality mine or yours you sound like the folks against alcohol in Iuka.  Whats next full wool swimsuits from the 40s for the ladies??????

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I agree !

I don't think others , like preachers or "moralist" have a right to force their brand of morality on anyone else. As a country , we've been there and done that. It didn't work out so well.

 BTW, I personally believe MJ is only a gateway drug in that because of the method of acquiring it, one is put in the company of people who have other offerings.
There are a lot of other things that are more of a gateway drug than MJ.

Dire mboy, the FDA is a scientific study entity and they are not stupid enough to approve smoking marijuana.

Congress on the other hand just might do it.  They are not know for their brains.

There are not enough scientists in the world working 24 hours a day to ferret out all the possibilities of the many chemicals contained in the substance and what they may do on a biological level.

It is know to have positive effects on some miseries and that fact could provide a hint for FDA approval of a medicine derived from marijuana. Not the wholesale smoking of it. One could argue ciggarats are helpful as a calming affect for persons addicted to nicotine. I don’t think the FDA will ever approve cigrats as medicine. Congress might.

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by POPEYE:

Seeweed, we are not backazzward. It is called morality. Why don't you take your backwardazz and move to California if you don't like the South.

Please I do not support legalization for the reasons I believe it is a gateway drug but morality?  Really who's morality mine or yours you sound like the folks against alcohol in Iuka.  Whats next full wool swimsuits from the 40s for the ladies??????

Strictly for your information, and not to change the subject, but that little cult preacher there is still whining.
http://www.wtva.com/news/local...LVU2J5BQGXjuOPQ.cspx

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:

My daughter inlaw is studying at Auburn and has been working on a project to determine if Hemp can be a sustainable cash crop for the south. I wonder if that is what will finally push the old white guys in Montgomery towards legalizing MJ. The farmers are on board with growing hemp. It may have to happen backazzwards in this backazzwards area.  

 

I wish I could believe that they would actually educate themselves on the facts and legalize MJ for medical use. I don't hold out a lot of hope for that though. 

 

We need to get it legalized at the federal level first. 

 

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We have a federal republic for a reason.  Let the states experiment first on the best method before imposing things on the entire nation.

 

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That hasn't been working out too good Dire. Federal agents (working under the law) have been raiding and arresting people for selling Marijuana in states where its legal. 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12...chafee-say.html?_r=0

And the reason they are doing this?  Taxes.  Oh, and BTW, Obama said he would not be doing this very thing, and yet the feds are more involved now than ever in trying to prevent the application of state's rights. Of course, they are doing the same thing in regards to Immigration policies, but you guys don't care about that at all, right?

Originally Posted by teyates:

And the reason they are doing this?  Taxes.  Oh, and BTW, Obama said he would not be doing this very thing, and yet the feds are more involved now than ever in trying to prevent the application of state's rights. Of course, they are doing the same thing in regards to Immigration policies, but you guys don't care about that at all, right?

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Don't know who "you guys" are, but as for me I do think we need a sane national policy on immigration, and I think it should start, but not end, with passing the "Dream Act".  

"you guys" refers to usual suspects here who think that it is wrong for the federal government to intervene with the state's rights issues with marijuana, but are all for the federal government coming down on states for trying to enforce immigration policies.

I am all for allowing states to control what is within their borders. They can license dispensaries and practioners to dispense.  I would welcome it here since I too feel like it would provide a benefit for people. However, I also want the immigration policies enforced. Stop allowing people to come across an open border and STAY for an unlimited amount of time and collect benefits.  We are overburdened with it. they may "pay taxes" at the pump or at the restaurant, but most are being paid under the table in cash with income tax or SS.  Those programs are being robbed.

I do not have a problem with portions of the Dream Act, but again don't allow people who have entered illegally, or stayed here illegally, to suddenly become legal and allow them to become dependent on the government.

This is not the 1700's when people could come and stake out a piece of land and farm it.

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