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What am I?

JankinonyaJankinonyaOld Faithful
I rarely comment on this forum due to the name calling and ugliness that generally ensues on here. However I do read the post a few times a week. Some people on here have some really good points and occasionally will point me towards information that is very useful and educational.

After reading this forum for a while I began to wonder "What am I?"

Since several of you guys on here seem so good at labeling people I thought I would list my views and see what I am.

I believe in the death penalty. If you cold bloodily take a life yours should be forfeit as well. I think it should be swift and no one should sit on death row for 20 years or more sucking up tax money.

I believe that abortion should be legal. I am not a religious person even though I was raised very religiously. To me that is what the biggest argument about abortion is...religion. Let a woman make up her own mind to carry a pregnancy to full term. If you think its a sin then pray for her, and your god will sort out the rest.

I believe that we are over taxed and there should be a flat tax.

I think we do need Welfare.Its not the best solution but I would rather see my tax dollars going to feed a child thats hungry or pay for a dr visit for a poor child than see it spent on corporate subsidies. We can't punish the innocent children just because some people take advantage of the system.

I am not a tree hugger. I am so tired of hearing about the poor spotted owl and the ozone that I could scream. It won't matter if we save the planet when disease and war have destroyed the human population!

Speaking of disease I believe in stem cell research. I also believe in some forms of animal medical research. However I love my dog and cat and would probably kill to protect them. LOL

I believe in war. Not warmongering but for example when 9/11 happened I wanted us to go to Afghanistan and make a paking lot out it if thats what it took to find and destroy Osama. However when we went into Iraq I was very upset and didn't agree with attacking a country and people based on not liking their leader. Weapons or mass destruction or not. If we are going to attack countries that have weapons of Mass destruction lets start with North Korea (not that I think we should do that either) We can't as a nation just decide that we don't like a certain countries beliefs and leadership and then invade them. So what if their woman have to wear outfits that cover their faces or walk behind their husbands. Not my business. Let them fight for their own rights like my ancestors did. Maybe just maybe they are happy with the way things are and they don't need or want our "help" in destroying their homes and government.

I am totally against the bail out of any banks or businesses. If they fail they fail. Thats what free enterprise is all about. Someone will come along and do it better and take the place of the defunct bank/business and fill the void. If I make a mess of my finances I don't think the government is going to send me a big fat check to bail me out.

I believe in legalizing Marijuana. Its just plain silly to still be making criminals out of teenagers and cancer patients. Besides I have never seen anyone go crazy on the reefer like I have seen people do on alcohol.

I don't believe in wire tapping of american citizens. Or holding people indefinitely without a trial or charging them with a crime. Who was it that said "Anyone who is willing to give up their freedoms for safety doesn't deserve those freedoms" or something like that. The world is a dangerous place and I don't care who is in office or what kind of laws they pass we can be attacked at anytime. There is always somebody somewhere willing to do what ever it takes to carry out their brand of crazy.

I believe that gay people have the right to marry. Really I just don't care. It does not effect me in anyway. If they are Americans and they pay taxes they should be able to have the same rights I do.

I believe there should be term limits in Congress. I think that alot of these old geezers are so out of touch with America that they are a waste of space.

I don't hate illegal immigrants but I do believe that they should have to go through the same process my great grand-parents did when they came here from Germany and Wales. I don't blame them for wanting to live here because lets face it we still have the best country in the world. If I lived in Mexico I would want to leave and come to this country myself. Just do it right.

I am not totally against gun control. I have guns in my house. I also have never commited a crime of violence nor do I have any mental problems that would make it dangerous to own a gun. We should keep track of some individuals who want to purchase guns. We will never be able to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people because they could just buy one on the street, but why make it so easy that all they have to do is go to a gun shop or Wal-Mart for that matter and buy a gun and rob a store or murder their co-workers or family. I guess what I agree with is background checks before purchasing a gun. At the very least. If you are a law abiding stable minded person then by all means have an arsenal for all I care.


I believe in America and its people! As I said before we are still the best country in the world as far as I am concerned and I want to keep it that way. I fear that the country is getting so divided that we will destroy ourselves over our stubborn left/right agendas. I know that we will always have different views and opinions and thats what makes us Americans. We have the right to those things. The hatred and self righteousness of some people are going to destroy our great nation if we don't get back to live and let live. If you don't agree with me thats fine. If you do thats fine too. What we should agree on is doing what is best for the country as a whole. No more of this bashing or each other over party lines. If you don't agree with what a Republican is doing in office campaign hard in the next election to get him/her out. If you don't think a Democrat is doing their job or representing you then do the same vote him/her out. Better yet Run for office yourself.

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N N-the-SticksEverybody Knows My Name
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After reading this forum for a while I began to wonder "What am I?"


From first glance you appear to be a good American who knows what they beleive in and has sense enough to know that neither party is going to get it all right.While I don't agree with all your veiws,thats what makes the world go around.At least your not being obnoxious and spreading class envy like some of our far left communist freinds who like to post on here.
GOAHEADMAKEMYDAYGOAHEADMAKEMYDAYHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by beth:
I rarely comment on this forum due to the name calling and ugliness that generally ensues on here. However I do read the post a few times a week. Some people on here have some really good points and occasionally will point me towards information that is very useful and educational.

After reading this forum for a while I began to wonder "What am I?"

Since several of you guys on here seem so good at labeling people I thought I would list my views and see what I am.

I believe in the death penalty. If you cold bloodily take a life yours should be forfeit as well. I think it should be swift and no one should sit on death row for 20 years or more sucking up tax money.

I believe that abortion should be legal. I am not a religious person even though I was raised very religiously. To me that is what the biggest argument about abortion is...religion. Let a woman make up her own mind to carry a pregnancy to full term. If you think its a sin then pray for her, and your god will sort out the rest.

I believe that we are over taxed and there should be a flat tax.

I think we do need Welfare.Its not the best solution but I would rather see my tax dollars going to feed a child thats hungry or pay for a dr visit for a poor child than see it spent on corporate subsidies. We can't punish the innocent children just because some people take advantage of the system.

I am not a tree hugger. I am so tired of hearing about the poor spotted owl and the ozone that I could scream. It won't matter if we save the planet when disease and war have destroyed the human population!

Speaking of disease I believe in stem cell research. I also believe in some forms of animal medical research. However I love my dog and cat and would probably kill to protect them. LOL

I believe in war. Not warmongering but for example when 9/11 happened I wanted us to go to Afghanistan and make a paking lot out it if thats what it took to find and destroy Osama. However when we went into Iraq I was very upset and didn't agree with attacking a country and people based on not liking their leader. Weapons or mass destruction or not. If we are going to attack countries that have weapons of Mass destruction lets start with North Korea (not that I think we should do that either) We can't as a nation just decide that we don't like a certain countries beliefs and leadership and then invade them. So what if their woman have to wear outfits that cover their faces or walk behind their husbands. Not my business. Let them fight for their own rights like my ancestors did. Maybe just maybe they are happy with the way things are and they don't need or want our "help" in destroying their homes and government.

I am totally against the bail out of any banks or businesses. If they fail they fail. Thats what free enterprise is all about. Someone will come along and do it better and take the place of the defunct bank/business and fill the void. If I make a mess of my finances I don't think the government is going to send me a big fat check to bail me out.

I believe in legalizing Marijuana. Its just plain silly to still be making criminals out of teenagers and cancer patients. Besides I have never seen anyone go crazy on the reefer like I have seen people do on alcohol.

I don't believe in wire tapping of american citizens. Or holding people indefinitely without a trial or charging them with a crime. Who was it that said "Anyone who is willing to give up their freedoms for safety doesn't deserve those freedoms" or something like that. The world is a dangerous place and I don't care who is in office or what kind of laws they pass we can be attacked at anytime. There is always somebody somewhere willing to do what ever it takes to carry out their brand of crazy.

I believe that gay people have the right to marry. Really I just don't care. It does not effect me in anyway. If they are Americans and they pay taxes they should be able to have the same rights I do.

I believe there should be term limits in Congress. I think that alot of these old geezers are so out of touch with America that they are a waste of space.

I don't hate illegal immigrants but I do believe that they should have to go through the same process my great grand-parents did when they came here from Germany and Wales. I don't blame them for wanting to live here because lets face it we still have the best country in the world. If I lived in Mexico I would want to leave and come to this country myself. Just do it right.

I am not totally against gun control. I have guns in my house. I also have never commited a crime of violence nor do I have any mental problems that would make it dangerous to own a gun. We should keep track of some individuals who want to purchase guns. We will never be able to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people because they could just buy one on the street, but why make it so easy that all they have to do is go to a gun shop or Wal-Mart for that matter and buy a gun and rob a store or murder their co-workers or family. I guess what I agree with is background checks before purchasing a gun. At the very least. If you are a law abiding stable minded person then by all means have an arsenal for all I care.


I believe in America and its people! As I said before we are still the best country in the world as far as I am concerned and I want to keep it that way. I fear that the country is getting so divided that we will destroy ourselves over our stubborn left/right agendas. I know that we will always have different views and opinions and thats what makes us Americans. We have the right to those things. The hatred and self righteousness of some people are going to destroy our great nation if we don't get back to live and let live. If you don't agree with me thats fine. If you do thats fine too. What we should agree on is doing what is best for the country as a whole. No more of this bashing or each other over party lines. If you don't agree with what a Republican is doing in office campaign hard in the next election to get him/her out. If you don't think a Democrat is doing their job or representing you then do the same vote him/her out. Better yet Run for office yourself.



I 'D CALL YOU FRIEND!!!
TI The IncriminatorPost Master
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Originally posted by LMM:
There is no party that can give you that.


At the end of the day, that's the sad fact we can't get around. Every time I've voted, I've had to vote for people who I've disagreed with on different subjects. I guess you have to decide which differences matter the least to you and vote in that direction. I don't like to do that myself but I have no other choice.
TI The IncriminatorPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by hoss gal:
i agree with all, beth, except i am probably more environmentally minded than you. if we don't take care of mama, it won't matter how healthy and peaceful we are.

but i don't believe in global warming. hogwash!


With Republicans at the helm for most of the last 30 years, we actually take better care of the environment than ever. As someone who is old enough to remember when the Cuayahoga River caught fire and when you could go to Birmingham and the air was so polluted, you couldn't tell if you were in Rickwood Field or a smokehouse, we probably have cleaner water and air than at anytime since industrialization.

We also have more acres of forest land than ever because we have the ability to put out forest fires. In the 1700s and 1800s, those fires burned until there was nothing left to burn. Doesn't happen anymore.

The only pollution we can't seem to stop is the litter along our highways which probably comes mostly from lower class defacrats, riding the roads with nothing better to do.
SardonicPoetSardonicPoetHall of Famer
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but i don't believe in global warming. hogwash!


The globe does warm. It also cools.

There's just no conclusive science to prove that mankind's actions effect this trend beyond negligible amounts, despite those today who claim that "the debate over the science is over".

Should we pollute less and replant more?

Of course.

That makes a whole lot more sense than carbon credits and the current Green movement's other zany forms of eco-guilt therapy that allow wealthy socialites to think of themselves better while riding in the same jets, driving the same cars, and consuming the same eye-boggling amounts of electricity.
Howard RoarkHoward RoarkOld Faithful
"We also have more acres of forest land than ever because we have the ability to put out forest fires. In the 1700s and 1800s, those fires burned until there was nothing left to burn. Doesn't happen anymore."

Sorry, no! Flash fires in forests in former centuries usually died out. It was part of a natural process to provide meadow lands to grazing animals such as deer and elk, who starve in climax forest. American Indians also used controlled fire to ensure a certain of agriculture and hunting, as well.

The one percent gain in woodlands during the last fifty years is mainly due to the abandonment of farms in New England.
JankinonyaJankinonyaOld Faithful
I appreciate all the very nice responses I received! I have to say that I am surprised but happily. I posted and then walked away from my computer and thought "well hopefully they won't be too mean to me" LOL

I was truly curious as to what you guys would categorize my political stance as. I guess after reading a link on one of the post that maybe I am a Libertarian? I have voted both Republican and Democrat over the years. I was really excited about Ron Paul at one point but then I dug deeper and he scares me a bit.

Thank you all for being kind and responding without bashing my beliefs.

I really do believe that if we are going to save this country we have to pull together. I am not naive enough to think that we will all agree on everything but the one thing we should agree on is that America and the Union are worth preserving. Instead of spending our time fighting amongst ourselves about petty issues or even big issues lets start taking that energy and writing our congressmen or the President. I thought the tea party was a good thing. I wish the people would have done this way before now. I think the spending of our taxes has been out of control for a very long time. I didn't go (didn't even know about it till it was over) but the idea behind it as I understood was very worth while. We should be protesting how our taxes are being spent. We should be questioning pork barrel spending. I don't care if its Dems or Reps they all do it. Peaceful, organized, and educated demonstrations will help alot more than name calling and party line posturing.

I sincerely appreciated the post that said "I would call you friend" even those who didn't agree with all my views. Thats what America was founded on. People with different opinions standing together as brothers/sisters to make a better life for themselves and their children. We can do it as well.

Ok I am going to stop now...I am starting to feel like President Obama addressing the Union with a "we shall overcome" speech. Big Grin LOL
TI The IncriminatorPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by Howard Roark:
"We also have more acres of forest land than ever because we have the ability to put out forest fires. In the 1700s and 1800s, those fires burned until there was nothing left to burn. Doesn't happen anymore."

Sorry, no! Flash fires in forests in former centuries usually died out. It was part of a natural process to provide meadow lands to grazing animals such as deer and elk, who starve in climax forest. American Indians also used controlled fire to ensure a certain of agriculture and hunting, as well.

The one percent gain in woodlands during the last fifty years is mainly due to the abandonment of farms in New England.



And the vigorous re-planting of trees, mainly by paper manufacturers, those dirty industrialists. But, you have to admit that there were major forest fires in the old days that the old-timers didn't have the means to stop.
D dolemitejbHall of Famer
Beth,

Nice post. I would call you a libertarian. That being said, I noticed one thing I would encourage you to look into, if you're really interested.

quote:
I don't hate illegal immigrants but I do believe that they should have to go through the same process my great grand-parents did when they came here from Germany and Wales.


The current process by which one becomes a naturalized citizen is one that many Americans couldn't successfully complete. It's become much, much more difficult than in the days of Ellis Island.

I'm not trying to derail your thread, or politicize that particular issue. Just thought I would give you something to look into to see where you beliefs actually fall.
S SeaweedPost Master
Beth, I'm not sure what you are, but whatever it is I am mighty close .
I do disagree with your environmental views, and although I share your disdain for the bailout of the banks, I fear that if our banking system were to go totally belly up, this "Great Recession" would more closely resemble the "Great Depression". Possibly the lesser of two evils.
TI The IncriminatorPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by excelman:
Beth, I'm not sure what you are, but whatever it is I am mighty close .
I do disagree with your environmental views, and although I share your disdain for the bailout of the banks, I fear that if our banking system were to go totally belly up, this "Great Recession" would more closely resemble the "Great Depression". Possibly the lesser of two evils.


It would have been the "Great Correction" if things had been left to run it's course. Unfortunately, that course is now going to take us deeper into the depths.
S SeaweedPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by kperk:
quote:
Originally posted by CrustyMac:
It's essential to the economy to have a sound banking system. What the banks and related industries - Wall Street - have gotten away with is criminal.


As long as the banking system knows the taxpayers will be forced to bail them out, no matter what, who's to say they will police themselves properly ever again?


The banks should have NEVER been allowed to police themselves to start with.
A wise person once said "if we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it".
The banking rules were put in place after the G Dep[ression for a reason.
Government is not the problem. Bad government IS.
TI The IncriminatorPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by excelman:
quote:
Originally posted by kperk:
quote:
Originally posted by CrustyMac:
It's essential to the economy to have a sound banking system. What the banks and related industries - Wall Street - have gotten away with is criminal.


As long as the banking system knows the taxpayers will be forced to bail them out, no matter what, who's to say they will police themselves properly ever again?


The banks should have NEVER been allowed to police themselves to start with.
A wise person once said "if we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it".
The banking rules were put in place after the G Dep[ression for a reason.
Government is not the problem. Bad government IS.


They were doing a pretty good job of it UNTIL bonnie fwank, chris dud and the defacrats blackmailed them into their housing schemes.

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