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What Does the Bible Say about the Tithe or Tithing?
Old Testament
"Tithe" means a tenth or 10 percent. The Old Testament law required that a tenth of all produce, flocks, and cattle be given to support the Levites (the priestly class in ancient Israel). In turn, the Levites were to give a tenth of that for support of the high priest (Leviticus 27:30-33, Numbers 18:21-28).
An additional tithe, collected every three years, was to be used to meet the needs of the Levites, foreigners, orphans and widows. (Deuteronomy 26:12-13). Additional tithes were taken for festival purposes.
In addition, everyone was to be generous with those in need:
If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the LORD your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother. Rather be openhanded and freely lend him whatever he needs. (NIV, Deuteronomy 15:7-8)
New Testament
The New Testament does not give any specific rules about tithing, but most aspects of the Old Testament Law do not apply to Christians. (See What Does the Bible Say About the Old Testament Law?)
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I don't go to church, however I am ask to donate to this one or that one quite often. They are usually trying to raise money to go on some mission trip to the Cayman Islands (cause ya know they haven't heard about jesus down there) or so that they can add a new gym to the church building.

What I hear the most out of christians is how they don't want their tax money to go to the poor. They don't care if they have health care. Thats socialism you see. (ask Bill) They don't want to take away from their building fund or the money needed to send the young people to the Caribbean for chrissake!

I could take christanity a lot more seriously if I actually saw them doing what their instruction book tells them to do. If I saw christians truly doing as their beliefs dictated they might have credibility with me and others. However more times than not its no where near what the true meaning of christianity is that they practice.

I worked with a guy a few years back that told me he and his wife wanted to start going to a church over on Avalon Ave in MS and when they attended were approached by the leaders who said they had to fill out a form and show their tax returns and give them permission to deduct their tithe from their accounts automatically based on their income. They declined and never went back. This is what I think most churches are about these days. "How much money can you give to be apart of our fort god?" Ya know they have to keep building on so that they have the biggest church in the area!
Hi all,

Isn't it amazing how MANY excuses folks can find to NOT give up following their worldly desires?

I would go to church -- but, that guy is wearing a green shirt!

I would go to church -- but, the air in my tires is too low!

I would go to church -- but, I have to mow the lawn next Saturday!

And, on and on, ad infinitum. My Friend, no one is telling you that you have to go to church. As a matter of fact, if you go they may ask you to come back again -- and, then what would you do?

So, just get your beer, your popcorn, and find the well worn groove in your comfy chair -- and watch all your television reruns. Believe it or not, we can still have church without you.

But, if you change your mind, or run out of beer, you will still be welcomed in your local Christian church. Why, we might even give you a big Christian hug, too!

But, don't worry -- it won't rub off on you.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Interesting. Today's Gospel Reading (YES BILL THE GOSPEL WAS READ IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH)
was about leaving all worldly things behind. Not to say "You are Jesus the Christ". He told His apostles to give up their lives, and take up their cross.
Do we follow His example? what do you think? Bill, Jesus was never so bold to even have His Apostles call Him Christ the Lord. He was humble. That was the point. Yet you always say YOU have all the answers. Once again, the message for all of us is HUMILITY. Quietly take up your Cross without bravado if you REALLY want to follow Jesus.........
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I don't go to church, however I am ask to donate to this one or that one quite often. They are usually trying to raise money to go on some mission trip to the Cayman Islands


Jan- something that really REALLY puts a bee in my bonnet, not that I wear a bonnet...
but when local churches go to South American countries to "spread the WOrd".
THESE mission trips are the biggest waste, in my opinion, because such countries are predominantly (prob. over 95%) catholic. Yet local churches spend money to go there, to teach Catholics about Jesus.
Something very weird about that.
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I don't go to church, however I am ask to donate to this one or that one quite often. They are usually trying to raise money to go on some mission trip to the Cayman Islands


Jan- something that really REALLY puts a bee in my bonnet, not that I wear a bonnet...
but when local churches go to South American countries to "spread the WOrd".
THESE mission trips are the biggest waste, in my opinion, because such countries are predominantly (prob. over 95%) catholic. Yet local churches spend money to go there, to teach Catholics about Jesus. Something very weird about that.

Hi VP,

I thought you believed in missions work. What's wrong with Protestants telling folks about Jesus? That is something we all should be doing.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I thought you believed in missions work. What's wrong with Protestants telling folks about Jesus? That is something we all should be doing.


Yes, I do believe in mission work. However, when Protestants go to Catholic countries to "tell folks about Jesus" it is a tremendous waste of money and resource, in my opinion.
I believe the best mission work is physical labor- medical, carpentry, disaster relief, etc.
If a church has to go spread the word about Jesus, they are wasting their time going to countries who ALREADY GET IT. That's my point.
I have a problem with mission work as well, for many different reasons.
so many times it's not used as a way to spread his word, it's used as a way to tell other people that they are wrong and going to burn if they don't submit.

i know a guy, a missonary, goes to a country in the middle east-ish area. they have a school there.
they teach the bible, yes, but they also teach math and science and literature and all manner of things, in a place where the idea of education used to be limited to knowing which side of the goat to stand on when you milk it.

that's a kind of misson i can get behind. they help the community and the people and better their lives in so many ways, AND they teach them about Christ as well.

but VP.. i was reading your post, incredulous. it is something i admit i had never even thought about before. i knew missonaries go to south american. i knew most of the people in most of the countries were catholics, but i honestly never thought about it that way before.

not only is it a waste of money resources and time, it's a joke.

"Come, my friend, let me teach you about Jesus!"

"But.. i already know about Jesus."

" Oh, No.. you only THINK you do. Our Jesus is much better than yours."

it's just insane.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi all,

Isn't it amazing how MANY excuses folks can find to NOT give up following their worldly desires?

I would go to church -- but, that guy is wearing a green shirt!

I would go to church -- but, the air in my tires is too low!

I would go to church -- but, I have to mow the lawn next Saturday!

And, on and on, ad infinitum. My Friend, no one is telling you that you have to go to church. As a matter of fact, if you go they may ask you to come back again -- and, then what would you do?

So, just get your beer, your popcorn, and find the well worn groove in your comfy chair -- and watch all your television reruns. Believe it or not, we can still have church without you.

But, if you change your mind, or run out of beer, you will still be welcomed in your local Christian church. Why, we might even give you a big Christian hug, too!

But, don't worry -- it won't rub off on you.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


I'm not sure if your talking to me with this post or not. Seeing as how I was the only one that had mentioned not going to church, I feel I am pretty safe in assuming it was directed at me.

Let me make this clear for you. I don't go to church because I don't believe in it. Its just that simple. Why would I go and worship something I don't believe in?

If you are talking about me taking christians more seriously then again let me make my self clear. Even then I would not believe what they believe, but I could at least respect what they say they stand for if they actually practice it. You are a perfect example of one of those so called christians. All talk and no substance.

Vp, thenagel, Aude...these are christians that I respect and believe that they are trying to live the life that they preach to others. They have a very strong faith in their beliefs and I have no doubt would be willing to talk to me about their god or help me understand their religion without judgment or ridicule.

None of the reasons you so glibly named play a part in why I do not attend church. It goes much deeper than that Bill. If religion didn't impact my daily life I would not care one bit what christians thought or did. However, sadly it does so I must defend my own decisions and choices not only here but in the real world too.

Go ahead and keep your hugs for someone that wants/needs them. I got plenty thanks.

I bless you, have a wonderful day.
Jankinonya, the person you worked with that told you that was obviously pulling your leg or outright lying. I hope they were joking because that has NEVER happened. Members are given the option to use an envelope with a number on it for donations and the church will send you a statement for tax purposes because the IRS will not accept canceled checks any longer if you are audited. Sounds more like they were looking for an excuse not to go to church. Too bad they felt they had to fabricate a story to excuse them from going. Did they go to another church after that or just give up?
I for one am against mission work for another reason. We still have more problems here in the USA than we can solve. Would it not be better for those who chose to go to foreign countries to spend their efforts here? It seems to me (imho) that these people feel the need to stand up among their friends and proclaim " I went to such and such country on a mission trip". Never mind there are starving children almost next door HERE. We really need to clean up at home before we spend time and money in another country.
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Originally posted by paw-paw:
I for one am against mission work for another reason. We still have more problems here in the USA than we can solve. Would it not be better for those who chose to go to foreign countries to spend their efforts here? It seems to me (imho) that these people feel the need to stand up among their friends and proclaim " I went to such and such country on a mission trip". Never mind there are starving children almost next door HERE. We really need to clean up at home before we spend time and money in another country.


Aye.. that's one of the 'many reasons' i mentioned above.
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Originally posted by paw-paw:
I for one am against mission work for another reason. We still have more problems here in the USA than we can solve. Would it not be better for those who chose to go to foreign countries to spend their efforts here? It seems to me (imho) that these people feel the need to stand up among their friends and proclaim " I went to such and such country on a mission trip". Never mind there are starving children almost next door HERE. We really need to clean up at home before we spend time and money in another country.


Aye.. that's one of the 'many reasons' i mentioned above.
OK, but what about my church? We have a local mission which provides food, clothing, housing help and even money. Then we have mission teams who go to foreign countries where little/no food, education and love are sent. My church also sent recently a team to help rebuild homes in Nashville staying in another denomination's church.
There are a lot of church's around here that do that, so what about these?
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OK, but what about my church? We have a local mission which provides food, clothing, housing help and even money. Then we have mission teams who go to foreign countries where little/no food, education and love are sent. My church also sent recently a team to help rebuild homes in Nashville staying in another denomination's church.
There are a lot of church's around here that do that, so what about these?


Those are great, in my opinion.
My problem is when they say they are just going to "spread the Gospel" to Catholic countries- that, in my opinion, is wasteful and silly. I'm all for helping our neighbors in need. I commend them, and understand that churches are often the best platform from which to launch "relief efforts". But "feel good" spreading the Good News to ALREADY CHRISTIAN countries is what I do not understand. Smiler
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Jankinonya, the person you worked with that told you that was obviously pulling your leg or outright lying. I hope they were joking because that has NEVER happened. Members are given the option to use an envelope with a number on it for donations and the church will send you a statement for tax purposes because the IRS will not accept canceled checks any longer if you are audited. Sounds more like they were looking for an excuse not to go to church. Too bad they felt they had to fabricate a story to excuse them from going. Did they go to another church after that or just give up?


They did go to another church. They moved to the area and were in search of a church. That is shocking to me that he would say something that was so untrue. Unless we are talking about 2 different churches. Although how could anyone miss the biggest church in MS, right? Smiler

I am sorry for spreading something that was untrue. It was unintentional. I completely believed him.
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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
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Originally posted by Shoals Resident:
Jankinonya, the person you worked with that told you that was obviously pulling your leg or outright lying. I hope they were joking because that has NEVER happened. Members are given the option to use an envelope with a number on it for donations and the church will send you a statement for tax purposes because the IRS will not accept canceled checks any longer if you are audited. Sounds more like they were looking for an excuse not to go to church. Too bad they felt they had to fabricate a story to excuse them from going. Did they go to another church after that or just give up?


They did go to another church. They moved to the area and were in search of a church. That is shocking to me that he would say something that was so untrue. Unless we are talking about 2 different churches. Although how could anyone miss the biggest church in MS, right? Smiler

I am sorry for spreading something that was untrue. It was unintentional. I completely believed him.


First Warehouse Baptist.


its interesting.

for many years, i've heard the same kind of thing, over and over. and i always hear NO NO NO.. YOU'RE WRONG, YOU WERE LIED TO afterward.

i hear " i'm sorry you were told something false"
i hear 'i've been going there for years and nothing like that is true"

and yet.. i keep hearing it over and over. from many different people.
none of it is enough to say ' oh.. well. .that's true, then".. and so far nothing is enough to have me say ' ah.. well. .digrunteled former member'.

so i still have that in my ' possible, but not likely' catagory.
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Originally posted by The Raven:
OK, but what about my church? We have a local mission which provides food, clothing, housing help and even money. Then we have mission teams who go to foreign countries where little/no food, education and love are sent. My church also sent recently a team to help rebuild homes in Nashville staying in another denomination's church. There are a lot of church's around here that do that, so what about these?

Those are great, in my opinion. My problem is when they say they are just going to "spread the Gospel" to Catholic countries - that, in my opinion, is wasteful and silly. I'm all for helping our neighbors in need. I commend them, and understand that churches are often the best platform from which to launch "relief efforts". But "feel good" spreading the Good News to ALREADY CHRISTIAN countries is what I do not understand.

Hi VP,

When churches send missionaries into other countries, it is to help the needy and to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with those who do not yet know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

You say, "But 'feel good' spreading the Good News to ALREADY CHRISTIAN countries is what I do not understand."

Can you name one country, even America, where there are no people who need to hear the Gospel? Regardless of which church is dominant in the nation -- there are still many who are not yet saved. I know of no church -- Baptist, Methodist, Episcopalian, Roman Catholic, etc. -- where 100% of the people in those churches are Christian believers. So, the purpose of sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ is to find those who are not yet believers -- and bring them to Jesus Christ.

Have you ever been in a church which was 100% Christian; where 100% of the people in that church were Christian believers? Unless it was a very small church; I doubt it.

So, whether these missionaries are going into Baptist territory -- or Roman Catholic territory -- and sharing the Gospel; we should be applauding them and supporting them, not disparaging them. Just as there are many in the Baptist churches who need to be saved -- there are also many in the Roman Catholic churches who need to be saved.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by vplee123:
Why not go to Muslim territory? or Hindu?
Don't you think that would be money better spent? The number per capita 'you' could 'save' would be drastically different.
What "Baptist country" has your church gone to ?
I Gotta say that my church has one group in Africa right now bring gospel to both Hindus and mostly Muslim. They're also help building schools, church's....etc., but it does go to south America and build, repair same.
I think the best word to describe spreading of the gospel part here is "enhance".
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Originally posted by thenagel:
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Originally posted by paw-paw:
I for one am against mission work for another reason. We still have more problems here in the USA than we can solve. Would it not be better for those who chose to go to foreign countries to spend their efforts here? It seems to me (imho) that these people feel the need to stand up among their friends and proclaim " I went to such and such country on a mission trip". Never mind there are starving children almost next door HERE. We really need to clean up at home before we spend time and money in another country.


Aye.. that's one of the 'many reasons' i mentioned above.
OK, but what about my church? We have a local mission which provides food, clothing, housing help and even money. Then we have mission teams who go to foreign countries where little/no food, education and love are sent. My church also sent recently a team to help rebuild homes in Nashville staying in another denomination's church.
There are a lot of church's around here that do that, so what about these?


i have no problem with that type of thing Smiler
when a church acctually offers help - aid, supplies, education, services, etc etc i see that as a good thing,

what i have a problem with is when they go around offering nothing but preaching and threats of eternal suffering.

i didn't mean to imply i was against all mission work. if i did, i apologize. i was trying to say i was against missionaries who didn't offer anythign but bibles and some guy telling a group of people that they and all their ancestors are hellbound because they didn't know about the bible.

this all stems from my feeling that no just god would condemn people who were guilty of never having heard of his son. those people don't need the word of god as mush as they need food, education, clothes and help in making a better life. Yes, teach them about christ as well, but that should not be the only thing they do.
Regarding Missions and the places that churches choose to send people or more direct to the point where various missionaries choose to go, live, teach, serve and preach.

In the Churches that I have been involved, that have an active mission program, they support missionaries that chose where to go, serve, work and live because that is where God revealed to them that He wanted them to go. It wasn't some arbitrary or purposeful vote on behalf of the Church to go and proselyte here or indoctrinate people there. Many negative statements about mission work seems to indicate that there is some ulterior motive in sending missionaries to those locations.

No church (Catholic or Protestant) or no denomination should feel, or assume, an exclusive right to enter a certain country or territory. I do also know that there are missionaries that are drawn and led to do their work in the United States while others do choose countries that are mostly Muslim and others that are anti-religious (such as China). If a church chooses to financially support a certain group of missionaries I hope and would assume that they did so through prayer and the leadership of God.

If a person gives to their Church and doesn't want their tithe to go to a certain area, they just feel that it's not biblical or right or disagree then they have the right to specially request that their tithe or amount go to a certain area of ministry.
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i have a very deep need to go do mission work in the bahamas.


Yahmon! I go bring de boat bock de island, mon! Big Grin


they have topless beaches there right?
we can do down and tell them all what horrible sinners they are while we eat sushi off of nude super models.

Marissa Miller and Hamachi anyone?
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Why not go to Muslim territory? or Hindu?
Don't you think that would be money better spent? The number per capita 'you' could 'save' would be drastically different. What "Baptist country" has your church gone to?

Hi VP,

Yes, there are missionaries, many Baptist, but actually of all denominations, sharing the Gospel in Hindu and Muslim countries. And, there are missionaries sharing the Gospel in those countries which are predominantly Roman Catholic.

Are you saying that you do not want those people in the Roman Catholic countries, who are not saved, to hear about Jesus Christ? Why would you want the Christian world to ignore those in South America, Spain, the Philippines, etc., where there are many Roman Catholics.

Are you saying that those who are not saved yet in these countries should be left to Satan?

I am not sure I understand your logic.

And, you mentioned missionaries to predominantly Baptist countries. Point us toward them. I have to admit that I know of no country that is predominantly Baptist, any flavor of Baptist. So, you tell us where they are -- and I can assure you that churches will send missionaries.

No one should be excluded.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by thenagel:
i have no problem with that type of thing when a church acctually (sic) offers help - aid, supplies, education, services, etc etc i see that as a good thing, what i have a problem with is when they go around offering nothing but preaching and threats of eternal suffering.

i didn't mean to imply i was against all mission work. if i did, i apologize. i was trying to say i was against missionaries who didn't offer anythign (sic) but bibles and some guy telling a group of people that they and all their ancestors are hell bound because they didn't know about the bible.

this all stems from my feeling that no just god would condemn people who were guilty of never having heard of his son. those people don't need the word of god as mush as they need food, education, clothes and help in making a better life. Yes, teach them about christ as well, but that should not be the only thing they do.

Hi Nagel,

So you believe that all missionary work should be only to supply material things to people -- but, not the Gospel of salvation?

In the overall scheme of things -- which is more important; material things -- or eternal salvation? Is it more important to fill the bellies now -- or to save their souls for eternity?

Now, before you start jumping up and down -- yes, I absolutely believe that a big part of missionary work should be to bring food, medical assistance, education, etc., to the people. It is much easier to teach a person who has a full tummy; than trying to teach the person who's stomach is growling from hunger.

Yes, feed them physical food -- then, feed them spiritual food. To exclude EITHER would be an abomination to God.

Nagel, why are you so against Christians sharing the Written Word of God with others? It appears, at least to me, that you would rather no Christian ever evangelized or shared the Gospel with anyone. Jesus Christ tells us over and over to Go, Be His Witnesses in all the world. Yet, Nagel tells us, "NO, don't do that! It offends me and you will offend the people!" I wonder who is right -- Nagel or Jesus Christ?

Or, are you one of those Christians who wants to keep Jesus Christ ALL to yourself? "No! He's mine. I won't share Him!" Duh! I don't believe that is what He teaches.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by thenagel:
i have no problem with that type of thing when a church acctually (sic) offers help - aid, supplies, education, services, etc etc i see that as a good thing, what i have a problem with is when they go around offering nothing but preaching and threats of eternal suffering.

i didn't mean to imply i was against all mission work. if i did, i apologize. i was trying to say i was against missionaries who didn't offer anythign (sic) but bibles and some guy telling a group of people that they and all their ancestors are hell bound because they didn't know about the bible.

this all stems from my feeling that no just god would condemn people who were guilty of never having heard of his son. those people don't need the word of god as mush as they need food, education, clothes and help in making a better life. Yes, teach them about christ as well, but that should not be the only thing they do.

Hi Nagel,

So you believe that all missionary work should be only to supply material things to people -- but, not the Gospel of salvation?

In the overall scheme of things -- which is more important; material things -- or eternal salvation? Is it more important to fill the bellies now -- or to save their souls for eternity?

Now, before you start jumping up and down -- yes, I absolutely believe that a big part of missionary work should be to bring food, medical assistance, education, etc., to the people. It is much easier to teach a person who has a full tummy; than trying to teach the person who's stomach is growling from hunger.

Yes, feed them physical food -- then, feed them spiritual food. To exclude EITHER would be an abomination to God.

Nagel, why are you so against Christians sharing the Written Word of God with others? It appears, at least to me, that you would rather no Christian ever evangelized or shared the Gospel with anyone. Jesus Christ tells us over and over to Go, Be His Witnesses in all the world. Yet, Nagel tells us, "NO, don't do that! It offends me and you will offend the people!" I wonder who is right -- Nagel or Jesus Christ?

Or, are you one of those Christians who wants to keep Jesus Christ ALL to yourself? "No! He's mine. I won't share Him!" Duh! I don't believe that is what He teaches.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


once again bill either you are stupid, lying, or blind. i'll repost the part that i wrote, that you quoted, and let you read it again....


i wrote

i didn't mean to imply i was against all mission work. if i did, i apologize. i was trying to say i was against missionaries who didn't offer anythign but bibles and some guy telling a group of people that they and all their ancestors are hell bound because they didn't know about the bible.

this all stems from my feeling that no just god would condemn people who were guilty of never having heard of his son. those people don't need the word of god as mush as they need food, education, clothes and help in making a better life. Yes, teach them about christ as well, but that should not be the only thing they do.

take you pick bill... you are either stupid, blind, or lying to make your self look good and me look bad.
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Hi Nagel,

So you believe that all missionary work should be only to supply material things to people -- but, not the Gospel of salvation?

In the overall scheme of things -- which is more important; material things -- or eternal salvation? Is it more important to fill the bellies now -- or to save their souls for eternity?

Now, before you start jumping up and down -- yes, I absolutely believe that a big part of missionary work should be to bring food, medical assistance, education, etc., to the people. It is much easier to teach a person who has a full tummy; than trying to teach the person who's stomach is growling from hunger.

Yes, feed them physical food -- then, feed them spiritual food. To exclude EITHER would be an abomination to God.

Nagel, why are you so against Christians sharing the Written Word of God with others? It appears, at least to me, that you would rather no Christian ever evangelized or shared the Gospel with anyone. Jesus Christ tells us over and over to Go, Be His Witnesses in all the world. Yet, Nagel tells us, "NO, don't do that! It offends me and you will offend the people!" I wonder who is right -- Nagel or Jesus Christ?

Or, are you one of those Christians who wants to keep Jesus Christ ALL to yourself? "No! He's mine. I won't share Him!" Duh! I don't believe that is what He teaches.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


QUOTE Originally posted by thenagel:
once again bill either you are stupid, lying, or blind. i'll repost the part that i wrote, that you quoted, and let you read it again....


i wrote

i didn't mean to imply i was against all mission work. if i did, i apologize. i was trying to say i was against missionaries who didn't offer anythign but bibles and some guy telling a group of people that they and all their ancestors are hell bound because they didn't know about the bible.

this all stems from my feeling that no just god would condemn people who were guilty of never having heard of his son. those people don't need the word of god as mush as they need food, education, clothes and help in making a better life. Yes, teach them about christ as well, but that should not be the only thing they do.

take you pick bill... you are either stupid, blind, or lying to make your self look good and me look bad.
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and now i'll add gutless coward, because all bill did was post a pic of garfield and pretend it answers something.

Man UP bill.
liar, idiot, or blind as a bleedin bat, as well as being a spineless wonder?
so bill admits defeat.

he cannot come up with an acctual answer, so he falls back to cartoons that mean nothing.

since bill won't answer, i'm gonan have to guess on his behalf.

i don't think he's stupid, as such. exactly.
so my guess is that he's a lying coward.

he keeps backing down and running away.

stand by for bills next sermon " why the lord told me to be a weenie"
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I don't go to church, however I am ask to donate to this one or that one quite often. They are usually trying to raise money to go on some mission trip to the Cayman Islands


Jan- something that really REALLY puts a bee in my bonnet, not that I wear a bonnet...
but when local churches go to South American countries to "spread the WOrd".
THESE mission trips are the biggest waste, in my opinion, because such countries are predominantly (prob. over 95%) catholic. Yet local churches spend money to go there, to teach Catholics about Jesus.
Something very weird about that.


Are you sure they are Catholic as you understand Catholic? The area where my church is sending a mission team say they are predominantly Catholic, but they have alters to tribal gods in their churches. They didn't let go of the beliefs of their people group when Catholicism was embraced. The two religions are in direct contradiction...makes no sense, but that's what they have there. It makes it hard for Christians living in that area to share the gospel with them because they would say that they are Christians, even though they have no relationship with Christ.
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What Does the Bible Say about the Tithe or Tithing?
Old Testament
"Tithe" means a tenth or 10 percent. The Old Testament law required that a tenth of all produce, flocks, and cattle be given to support the Levites (the priestly class in ancient Israel). In turn, the Levites were to give a tenth of that for support of the high priest (Leviticus 27:30-33, Numbers 18:21-28).
An additional tithe, collected every three years, was to be used to meet the needs of the Levites, foreigners, orphans and widows. (Deuteronomy 26:12-13). Additional tithes were taken for festival purposes.
In addition, everyone was to be generous with those in need:
If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the LORD your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother. Rather be openhanded and freely lend him whatever he needs. (NIV, Deuteronomy 15:7-8)
New Testament
The New Testament does not give any specific rules about tithing, but most aspects of the Old Testament Law do not apply to Christians. (See What Does the Bible Say About the Old Testament Law?)
www.t***aths.com/faq_OldTestamentLaw.htm


Jesus does address the tithe. He says that justice and loving God are more important but to tithe anyway...

"Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone. ~ Luke 11:42
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Are you sure they are Catholic as you understand Catholic?


Hi Joy! Yes!! We are frequent travellers to Latin America, and every time we go, we come across a mission group (or 4) that are going to these VERY DEEPLY Catholic countries, to teach them about Jesus.
Now, don't get me wrong, please- if there is service or assistance along with spiritual teaching, great! Lord knows there is poverty there. But I will say that I was asked on the plane one time:
Q- Can I tell you about my Lord and Savior Jesus?
A- Oh, thank you, but I already know Him- I am Catholic.
Q- BUT have you been saved???
A-??!? Really? I just told you I was a Christian.

I guess that is the most recent memory that I found ridiculous, but still and all, if they are going to HELP these people financially and physically, great. Otherwise, it seems to me that it may be an attempt to grow the Baptist/whatever denom church.
Just my honest opinion.....
Hmm, I will keep that in mind and watch for it, vplee. I am part of the group going on this mission trip. I've been to several Latin American countries, but don't recall it being an issue before.

I have run across quite a few people who think they understand Catholicism, but were given inaccurate information...that or they met one nutty person who happened to be Catholic and think they are an apt representative of the denomination. Roll Eyes

I don't think that will be an issue with my bunch though. When we were in Honduras, we ran into an American group (Catholic) who were visiting (forgive me if this is the wrong word) their sister church in Honduras. They were leaving a restaurant as we were entering. It was an unexpected blessing for all of us...lovely folks.
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I have run across quite a few people who think they understand Catholicism, but were given inaccurate information...that or they met one nutty person who happened to be Catholic and think they are an apt representative of the denomination.


Yep, all it takes is one nut! Smiler
Good to "see" you again Joy!!

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