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This guy is being WAAAAYYYY overdramatic.

There are a few differences to the Iron Bowl today vs the past.

#1. Internet. nuff said. Any nut can post any garbage for all the world to see at anytime from the comfort of his momma's basement. The "bad fans" have always hated their rival school and been a-holes to the other fan base. There are simply more avenues to show what kind of a-holes they are, and because they can hide behind the computer screen, then can magnify the a-holeness to a higher level because they aren't afraid of getting slapped.

#2) During the last decade or so of Bear Bryant's time as UofA's coach, Auburn was not very competitive. So whereas the fans hated each other, it was almost a forgone conclusion that Bama was going to win the Iron Bowl, which at the time was exclusively played in Birmingham. Now, things have changed. From an un-biased onlooker, Auburn has dominated the rivalry since 1982. Auburn has had more success vs Alabama, won more SEC Championships, and is the only SEC school in that span with 3 undefeated seasons. And outside of Legion Field, the record is so lopsided you'd think it was Auburn vs Vandy and not the Iron Bowl. Since 1989, then 1993-present, the game has been home and home and Auburn has dominated games NOT played in Legion Field. Because of the fact that Bama has most of the fans in the state(obviously), the fact that Auburn is not just competitive, but a notch above Bama in RECENT historical context, the emotions run hotter. When Updyke fans are runnin hotter, you are more likely to see the venom being spewed. "Barners" want to rub every Auburn win/Bama loss in their faces for the perceived arrogance of the fanbase, and "Bammers" want to pile on the "Bama's lil sister from West Georgia" tag any chance they get.

So, this cat is just coat tailin on a big story, but the rivalry hasn't changed. Only the means of hashing out the rivalry in public has changed. When the kids play it on the field, they give it their all and show respect to one another. I respect the kids playing the game, not the fans. And that has not changed one little bit in my 31 years of watching the Iron Bowl.
First of all this does not belong in politics. One would think Crowder Pea would know that since he is the perfect one. I guess that is his first mistake this year.
Second, I have to disagree with the writer when he states "It's up to the University of Alabama Board of Trustees to save it.
It should find the biggest oak and the biggest truck, drive it east and beg Auburn to accept it. Please take this as gift and apology and as restitution. For crimes committed in the UA name." That statement in itself is a crock. But many Bama fans felt some kind of remorse as over $48,000 has been raised on Tide For Toomers facebook page. Alabama owes nothing to the trees in my humble opinion. If Bama fans want to contribute,.. thats great, for them. But for me, the actions of one Bama fan is nothing to me. He wants to do something stupid then he should pay the price. Not me. If the ground is dead, I do hope it doesn't spread to other areas. But I do not feel it is Alabama's place to take the blame for something an idiot did. UA did nothing to apologize for.
I agree with Dade to a large degree.

From the Bama perspective though, good Bama fans hate the stigma put on because of a chunk of their fanbase. It's not about them apologizing so much as it is them wanting to show the difference in the "Harveys" and true Bama fans. True Bama fans love The University of Alabama more than they hate Auburn University. The Updykes of the fanbase, they hate Auburn more than they love Bama. It's not about anyone in the University or fanbase accepting any responsibility, it's about showing a contrast in the "types" of fans. So while I agree they didn't need to "apologize" or even donate anything, I fully understand their desire to distance the organization from their fringe or "Harvey" element.
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Originally posted by Dade Quimby:
First of all this does not belong in politics. One would think Crowder Pea would know that since he is the perfect one. I guess that is his first mistake this year.
Second, I have to disagree with the writer when he states "It's up to the University of Alabama Board of Trustees to save it.
It should find the biggest oak and the biggest truck, drive it east and beg Auburn to accept it. Please take this as gift and apology and as restitution. For crimes committed in the UA name." That statement in itself is a crock. But many Bama fans felt some kind of remorse as over $48,000 has been raised on Tide For Toomers facebook page. Alabama owes nothing to the trees in my humble opinion. If Bama fans want to contribute,.. thats great, for them. But for me, the actions of one Bama fan is nothing to me. He wants to do something stupid then he should pay the price. Not me. If the ground is dead, I do hope it doesn't spread to other areas. But I do not feel it is Alabama's place to take the blame for something an idiot did. UA did nothing to apologize for.


The item does indeed belong in "Politics" and nowhere else. Pay attention:

"But it's worse than that, now. Football is our crack, our crank. Our crystal meth. It keeps us so riveted, so single-mindedly focused on our next gridiron fix, that we pay no heed to the real problems before us.

Alabama is awash in poverty and crime, among the league leaders in obesity and diabetes and all kinds of cancer. Our education system is a perennial cellar dweller, and just one in five residents actually have a college degree. The state is over-polluted and taxed in a way that is unfair to those who need fairness the most, and our levels of government corruption rival even traditional powers Louisiana and Illinois. Our constitution is set up to maintain the status quo."

and pay special attention to the conclusion:

"But then it is up to the rest of us in Alabama to realize -- and behave as if we believe it -- that there is life, and there is football.

And only one of them is a game."

The focus, the theme of the editoial is not about football, per se, as anyone with a half a grain of intelligence should see. The thesis of Archibald's piece is that Alabamians have got their priorities wrong; that football has become to many Alabamians a sop, a diversion, almost a drug that so occupies their concerns that they fail to place appropriate importance on the enormous social, fiscal and health issues we are facing.

One might suppose that in your tunnel-visioned view of things you would find one of the Sports forums to be the appropriate place to discuss Archibald's article, since your post knee-jerkedly jumped to the trees of Toolmer's corner while ignoring the forest of concern about the real woes of this state.
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
Well, we cant afford bread and circuses, so we will have to make do with football. The people of AlObama should be proud since Saban is our highest paid educator, we seem to be getting our monies worth.

AlObama could end their education budget problems with the requisite increase in license fees for collegiate souvenirs.


The University only pays roughly $250k of Saban's salary, which is less than Dr. Witt makes. The rest is made up through private donations and endorsement deals.
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Originally posted by Kenny Powers:
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
Well, we cant afford bread and circuses, so we will have to make do with football. The people of AlObama should be proud since Saban is our highest paid educator, we seem to be getting our monies worth.

AlObama could end their education budget problems with the requisite increase in license fees for collegiate souvenirs.


The University only pays roughly $250k of Saban's salary, which is less than Dr. Witt makes. The rest is made up through private donations and endorsement deals.


If you factor in the money he brings to the University they are actually getting a pretty good deal. Bitter's post is much ado about nuthin.

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