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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
There were some people on this forum claiming to be inocent of the charges they were arrested for. Just wondering if anyone knows what happened to them. Were the cases dismissed? Or have they gone to trial yet? I haven't seen anything reported on it.


It just happened not long ago , to soon to know anything yet , you should know that .
I think the DA is mainly concerned about the hard core cases like Kenny Trousdale(aka little Smiley). They should lock that man up for what he has done to all the innocent kids he has polluted. I understand they want him too.
What I don't understand is why they don't keep him in jail, instead of out on bond. The county would be better off if he were in jail.
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Originally posted by unclegus:
I think the DA is mainly concerned about the hard core cases like Kenny Trousdale(aka little Smiley). They should lock that man up for what he has done to all the innocent kids he has polluted. I understand they want him too.
What I don't understand is why they don't keep him in jail, instead of out on bond. The county would be better off if he were in jail.


Unfortunately, the Constitution kicks in...in the form of the Eighth Amendment...prohibiting excessive bail. The judge has to have a really good reason to deny bail.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:


Unfortunately, the Constitution kicks in...in the form of the Eighth Amendment...prohibiting excessive bail. The judge has to have a really good reason to deny bail.


Sassy, did the Judge grant him bail?
I'm sure if he is out of jail, he is most likely doing the same thing again,
cooking meth & destroying lives.
He is a real piece of crap in my book!!
Also makes you wonder who the pharmacists are who are reporting all these purchases. Seems kind of ironic that we have pharmacists who can get out of huge drug charges by buying a car for the drug task force and then turn around and finger little guys buying cold medicine who might be completely innocent but don't have the money to pay anyone off and have to actually work through the system.
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Originally posted by Kat660:
Also makes you wonder who the pharmacists are who are reporting all these purchases. Seems kind of ironic that we have pharmacists who can get out of huge drug charges by buying a car for the drug task force and then turn around and finger little guys buying cold medicine who might be completely innocent but don't have the money to pay anyone off and have to actually work through the system.


Do what ? lol You saying the pharmacists are drug dealers too ? And paying off the force ? I'd watch what I say , you might have to prove it someday .
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Originally posted by Cupid:
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
There were some people on this forum claiming to be inocent of the charges they were arrested for. Just wondering if anyone knows what happened to them. Were the cases dismissed? Or have they gone to trial yet? I haven't seen anything reported on it.


It just happened not long ago , to soon to know anything yet , you should know that .


Well I do know what the speedy trial act is. Also, usually in a mutiple defendant case, if some of the charges are going to be dismissed, they will be done shortly after the arrest so the prosecution can focus on the more serious criminal defendants.
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
My main question is, the people that were on here screaming their innocence to everyone on here, what is the status of their case. Were they dismissed?


Why didnt you just say so .lol I think your talking about patriotson ?
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Originally posted by Kat660:
Also makes you wonder who the pharmacists are who are reporting all these purchases. Seems kind of ironic that we have pharmacists who can get out of huge drug charges by buying a car for the drug task force and then turn around and finger little guys buying cold medicine who might be completely innocent but don't have the money to pay anyone off and have to actually work through the system.


What are talking about? Please explain further, I am totally confused.
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Originally posted by Cupid:
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
My main question is, the people that were on here screaming their innocence to everyone on here, what is the status of their case. Were they dismissed?


Why didnt you just say so .lol I think your talking about patriotson ?


Well I thought there were some other people on here also that were saying some people they knew were innocent also.
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:


Unfortunately, the Constitution kicks in...in the form of the Eighth Amendment...prohibiting excessive bail. The judge has to have a really good reason to deny bail.


What does it take to revoke a bond? I know for a fact that Smiley has other charges against him un related to this case and is out on bond for those charges. In fact he is in court this week for assaulting a close friend of mine.
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
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Originally posted by Cupid:
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Originally posted by fhantom309_35660:
My main question is, the people that were on here screaming their innocence to everyone on here, what is the status of their case. Were they dismissed?


Why didnt you just say so .lol I think your talking about patriotson ?


Well I thought there were some other people on here also that were saying some people they knew were innocent also.


Not sure of any others . Wink
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Originally posted by unclegus:
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:


Unfortunately, the Constitution kicks in...in the form of the Eighth Amendment...prohibiting excessive bail. The judge has to have a really good reason to deny bail.


What does it take to revoke a bond? I know for a fact that Smiley has other charges against him un related to this case and is out on bond for those charges. In fact he is in court this week for assaulting a close friend of mine.


Proof that he is a flight risk, or that he is an immediate danger to a specific individual usually will get it. Of course, his court appointed lawyer will petition the judge a half dozen times a week for a bond reduction hearing.
Some of the cases were just indicted by the last grand jury. They are set for arraignment later this month. Some of the others haven't been to the grand jury yet. Another GJ term is also later this month. From arraignment, and assuming the person isn't a youthful offender, it should take around 2-3 months to go to trial or plead.
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Originally posted by lawguy07:
Some of the cases were just indicted by the last grand jury. They are set for arraignment later this month. Some of the others haven't been to the grand jury yet. Another GJ term is also later this month. From arraignment, and assuming the person isn't a youthful offender, it should take around 2-3 months to go to trial or plead.




I have a question for you lawguy07. I understand the process, but why is this done ? why If there is PC for a warrant, do we bound it over to the GJ ? would it be easier to or should I say quicker, if there is PC in the hearing and was just shot though the process would it not save time, for the defendant. I do not understand and just never took the time to ask someone, maybe you can help me on this one.

Well I think that I know why the Judge does it, but would it be better as an attorney or a defendant, esc. if that person is in jail awaiting trail ? thank you in advance for comment made on this. I understand the GJ, and the prim. hearings. maybe this is a stupid question on my part, but I thought that the 2 processes were pretty much the same.
Hey Cupid, about the pharmacist and the car for the drug task force, that is a true statement. I believe that it happened in 2002 in Lauderdale County. There was a pharmacist (pretty sure he worked at the grocery store on the corner of cox creek and cloverdale road that also has/had a pharmacy in it); apparently he was stocking his home in controlled substances as well. The DEA and the Lauderdale County Drug Task Force brought him down (along with some help from his employer). I think he got ARRESTED but other than that, no jail time. He purchased an SUV (the largest one that GMC or Ford makes, I am pretty sure) and donated it to the drug task force. I think he lost his pharmacist license. The last account I had of him, he was selling cars at a dealership in Florence near a grocery store and craft store and an old movie theater - on Florence Blvd. These are a few of the 'last straws that broke the camel's back' so to speak, of David Scogin's regin as the director of the drug task force. I think he was accused of some other things as well, indicted by a federal grand jury and I am relatively certain that he went to prison. (Scogin - not the pharmacist)
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Originally posted by longarmofthalaw:
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Originally posted by lawguy07:
Some of the cases were just indicted by the last grand jury. They are set for arraignment later this month. Some of the others haven't been to the grand jury yet. Another GJ term is also later this month. From arraignment, and assuming the person isn't a youthful offender, it should take around 2-3 months to go to trial or plead.




I have a question for you lawguy07. I understand the process, but why is this done ? why If there is PC for a warrant, do we bound it over to the GJ ? would it be easier to or should I say quicker, if there is PC in the hearing and was just shot though the process would it not save time, for the defendant. I do not understand and just never took the time to ask someone, maybe you can help me on this one.

Well I think that I know why the Judge does it, but would it be better as an attorney or a defendant, esc. if that person is in jail awaiting trail ? thank you in advance for comment made on this. I understand the GJ, and the prim. hearings. maybe this is a stupid question on my part, but I thought that the 2 processes were pretty much the same.


Amendment V of the US Constitution:

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No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury
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Originally posted by jjuliesmile@aol.com:
Hey Cupid, about the pharmacist and the car for the drug task force, that is a true statement. I believe that it happened in 2002 in Lauderdale County. There was a pharmacist (pretty sure he worked at the grocery store on the corner of cox creek and cloverdale road that also has/had a pharmacy in it); apparently he was stocking his home in controlled substances as well. The DEA and the Lauderdale County Drug Task Force brought him down (along with some help from his employer). I think he got ARRESTED but other than that, no jail time. He purchased an SUV (the largest one that GMC or Ford makes, I am pretty sure) and donated it to the drug task force. I think he lost his pharmacist license. The last account I had of him, he was selling cars at a dealership in Florence near a grocery store and craft store and an old movie theater - on Florence Blvd. These are a few of the 'last straws that broke the camel's back' so to speak, of David Scogin's regin as the director of the drug task force. I think he was accused of some other things as well, indicted by a federal grand jury and I am relatively certain that he went to prison. (Scogin - not the pharmacist)


The guy is now a practicing Florence pharmacist again. Money talks.
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Originally posted by WorkingStiff:
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Originally posted by unclegus

What does it take to revoke a bond? I know for a fact that Smiley has other charges against him un related to this case and is out on bond for those charges. In fact he is in court this week for assaulting a close friend of mine.
A.R. Perhaps he needs to be K.O. with a freon tank.


Been there done that, ha thanks for the reminder.
No even though he has never really bothered me, he needs to be in jail.
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Originally posted by Kat660:
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Originally posted by jjuliesmile@aol.com:
Hey Cupid, about the pharmacist and the car for the drug task force, that is a true statement. I believe that it happened in 2002 in Lauderdale County. There was a pharmacist (pretty sure he worked at the grocery store on the corner of cox creek and cloverdale road that also has/had a pharmacy in it); apparently he was stocking his home in controlled substances as well. The DEA and the Lauderdale County Drug Task Force brought him down (along with some help from his employer). I think he got ARRESTED but other than that, no jail time. He purchased an SUV (the largest one that GMC or Ford makes, I am pretty sure) and donated it to the drug task force. I think he lost his pharmacist license. The last account I had of him, he was selling cars at a dealership in Florence near a grocery store and craft store and an old movie theater - on Florence Blvd. These are a few of the 'last straws that broke the camel's back' so to speak, of David Scogin's regin as the director of the drug task force. I think he was accused of some other things as well, indicted by a federal grand jury and I am relatively certain that he went to prison. (Scogin - not the pharmacist)


The guy is now a practicing Florence pharmacist again. Money talks.


Thats just crazy , its like letting out a child molester and giving them a job in a daycare . Roll Eyes
Saltydog: Yes, actually if I remember right his name was onepatriot or something like that.

Longarm: That's not at all a stupid question. As Sassy Kims pointed out, the grand jury is required because Alabama law requires an indictment to charge a felony. Other states use an "information" but it's pretty much the same thing--a felony charging instrument. You're right that if the defendant is in jail, he usually wants to get on with the process. Luckily Lauderdale Co. doesn't have a long wait for a case to be presented to GJ. They meet pretty much every month here. Some counties' GJ meet only a couple of times a year and it may take a year or two to be indicted. There is no set "speedy trial" time frame, so each case is different. Anyway, as far as the preliminary hearing, it's not actually guaranteed by the Alabama constitution or code. You have a right to demand one, but the State can indict the defendant before the prelim (or skip that stage altogether) and there's no violation. The way it usually works is if the defendant is arrested on the spot for a felony, it starts in district court and he will get a prelim. If there's some sort of investigation that doesn't start with an arrest, those usually go straight to the GJ for an indictment. The prelim is more of a fact finding mission for the defense than anything else. We find out what the DA has in the way of evidence. If there is actually a hearing, an officer (or more likely the case agent, who wasn't even there for the arrest) will testify to the facts from a report (hearsay, which is allowed at prelim). We sometimes use the prelim to tie the officer down to certain facts so they can't testify differently at trial. In rare instances, a case may be dismissed at prelim, but highly unlikely. That usually only happens when some fact that the officer was unaware of pops up at the prelim. Finally, it can actually be worse for the defendant to have the case dismissed at prelim. If they made bond initially and case is dismissed, the State can still present to GJ. If they are indicted, they are rearrested and have to bond out again. Overall, we could get away without the prelim and I'm honestly not sure why there are two "probable cause" determinations. Sorry for the long post, but hopefully this answered your questions.
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Originally posted by Kat660:
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Originally posted by jjuliesmile@aol.com:
Hey Cupid, about the pharmacist and the car for the drug task force, that is a true statement. I believe that it happened in 2002 in Lauderdale County. There was a pharmacist (pretty sure he worked at the grocery store on the corner of cox creek and cloverdale road that also has/had a pharmacy in it); apparently he was stocking his home in controlled substances as well. The DEA and the Lauderdale County Drug Task Force brought him down (along with some help from his employer). I think he got ARRESTED but other than that, no jail time. He purchased an SUV (the largest one that GMC or Ford makes, I am pretty sure) and donated it to the drug task force. I think he lost his pharmacist license. The last account I had of him, he was selling cars at a dealership in Florence near a grocery store and craft store and an old movie theater - on Florence Blvd. These are a few of the 'last straws that broke the camel's back' so to speak, of David Scogin's regin as the director of the drug task force. I think he was accused of some other things as well, indicted by a federal grand jury and I am relatively certain that he went to prison. (Scogin - not the pharmacist)


The guy is now a practicing Florence pharmacist again. Money talks.


When I first read that I thought it was surely a mistake, and then I read your 2nd sentence. You are right - I guess it does. I'd almost be afraid to give somebody a tylenol in public - I'd probably get the chair - cause I'm ain't got any dough!!!!! Big Grin
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Originally posted by jjuliesmile@aol.com:
When I first read that I thought it was surely a mistake, and then I read your 2nd sentence. You are right - I guess it does. I'd almost be afraid to give somebody a tylenol in public - I'd probably get the chair - cause I'm ain't got any dough!!!!! Big Grin


Well, I'd imagine it was his family (i.e., his high-powered brother) who did the deal making. There's no rhyme or reason to who gets charged or convicted in these drug-related crimes. Seems like the least of the offenders sometime get the harshest sentences and the guys we really need off the streets are still out there.
Kat, you are getting this mixed up with the pharmacist that was accused of making a bomb that was actually just playing with firecrackers? Now I know he has a high-powered brother as in the district attorney. I really don't know who the other pharmacist was - just where he worked. The DA's brother never lost his job - he is still working at the same place as always. Does the other one also have a well connected brother?
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Originally posted by jjuliesmile@aol.com:
Kat, you are getting this mixed up with the pharmacist that was accused of making a bomb that was actually just playing with firecrackers? Now I know he has a high-powered brother as in the district attorney. I really don't know who the other pharmacist was - just where he worked. The DA's brother never lost his job - he is still working at the same place as always. Does the other one also have a well connected brother?


No, I'm not getting the cases confused, they're totally different. I guess "high-powered" might not be the right term, more like "highly connected" (with money).

When they had David Scoggin's trial, the judge mentioned this pharmacist's case as being the most egregious of the incidents Scoggins and the drug task force was involved in. However, since that case had already been resolved and they'd let the guy plead down to some nothing misdemeanor charge, he was off the hook (as far as criminal charges). Scoggin got the can, and I believe prison time, for accepting (and maybe also soliciting) the bribes. I think the other guy's pharmacist license was probaby suspended for awhile (someone said he'd been selling cars), but he's practicing pharmacy now.

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