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This is a very well thought out argument.

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What if gun laws were like abortion laws?

 

 

What would gun rights look like in America if we treated them like abortion rights? The Supreme Court has ruled that owning guns and getting abortions are both rights granted to Americans, but the laws governing each are remarkably different. Republicans are the primary opponents of gun control laws. They argue that gun ownership is a constitutionally guaranteed right and the government must not restrict that right. Beyond that, things get a little shady. What is the constitutional justification for permitting a free-for-all without restrictions? Nobody's jumping to the podium to say.

 

Maybe there's a practical reason for that hesitation. Maybe it's because the very same Republicans screaming about unobstructed rights to gun ownership are playing both sides of the fence. They have legislated abortion into near extinction, and continue to do so with reckless abandon.

 

What if gun rights were regulated like abortion rights? Here's a list of just some of the hoops you'd have to jump through before you could own a gun:

 

  • Only one store in the entire state would sell guns. (See: Mississippi, Arkansas, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wyoming for states with only one abortion provider.)
  • You'd have to fill out an enormous personal background check including intrusive personal information that has nothing to do with your ability to own or use a gun. Then you'd have to wait at least 72 hours and come back to the store. (Remember, it's the only one in the state. You better hope you don't live on the other side of Wyoming.)
  • Upon your return, you'd have to sit through intensive mandatory counseling. Your counselor, regardless of his personal beliefs, would have to tell you that gun ownership is actually a bad idea, and that it would negatively effect your mental health to own a gun. (This, despite there being no scientific evidence to support the claim.)
  • Next, you'd sit through a gruesome movie showing the actual aftermath of domestic gun crimes. You'd see people with half a head. You'd see dead children in their beds. You'd see the bloody aftermath of a school shooting. You'd be shown statistic after statistic warning you that you'd be contributing to this morally degenerate sanctioning of murder.
  • If you lived in Virginia, you'd have to come back (again) for an invasive and uncomfortable fMRI (which costs around $300 out of your pocket) to ensure your honesty in answering all the background check information and your intentions to use your gun responsibly. (This was as close as I could get to the invasive trans******l procedure included in the recently passed Virginia bill.)
  • Oh... and if you were married, your spouse might have to sign off on your gun ownership.

Once you jumped through all these hoops, you could buy a gun. In a week, if you wanted another gun, you'd have to start over at Step 1. No exceptions.

 

 

At this point, some might object to the comparison. The ending of fetal life, they will say, is different from the ownership of a gun. Obviously, when guns are used safely for things like target practice or hunting or self-defense, no humans are unjustly killed. Abortion is, in and of itself, an injustice. The thing is, this argument doesn't pass the legal test. Fetuses are not persons under the law, and that's just a fact. They are not entitled to the right to not be aborted. Quite the opposite. Roe v. Wade explicitly and emphatically gives the choice of whether or not to abort to exactly one person -- the pregnant woman. Period. End of story.

 

 

Some might continue to object that this isn't strictly a legal test. It's a moral issue of the highest importance. It's about human life, and sometimes, legislators protect human life rather than toe constitutional lines.

 

 

It's true, of course. Legislators have made lots of "extra-constitutional" laws and regulations about abortion. That's what we're talking about in the first place. They've worked long and hard to give pharmacists the right to refuse to sell morning-after pills if they don't want to. If this practice were instituted by every pharmacist in a state, it would effectively make it impossible to buy morning-after pills. (What might Republicans say if Democrats circumvented the right to sell or own guns in the name of preserving human life?) Oh, and there's another uncomfortable bit: Elected officials in at least 8 states have sworn not to enforce gun laws passed by the federal government.

 

 

It seems that Republicans are determined to have it both ways. Gun ownership is so sacred that it's good to ignore the law to preserve it at all costs. Abortion is so reprehensible that it's good to ignore the law to end it at all costs. The bottom line, of course, is that Republicans are willing to ignore the law in both cases. They have their agenda, and they're going to see it enforced, laws be ****ed when they disagree. It's really quite terrifying, if you think about it for very long.

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Last I checked, the Constitution does not say, specifically, that a woman has the right to an abortion.  In fact, the SCOTUS decision had more to do with a womans right to privacy:

 

 "right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the district court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade


Where the Constitution specifically speaks to our right to own a gun.  


A closer comparison would be if the SCOTUS had to rule on a case involving purchasing ammunition and how it relates to our right to own guns.  Roe vs Wade was about abortion and how it relates to a womans right to privacy.  

On second thought...

If "Gun Laws Were Like Abortion Laws"...

 

EVERYONE would have the right to own a gun...at the taxpayers expense.

EVERYONE, no matter what age, would have the right to own a gun...without their Parents knowing.

EVERYONE would have the RIGHT to throw their current gun away...and FREELY get another one.

Huh???

Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:

Hey Jank!

If abortion rights are so important to a "womans right"...then WHY are there laws against Prostitution???

After all "it's a womans RIGHT to do whatever SHE wants with her body"...

Clarification?

 

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Personally I think it should apply the same way. I think I woman has a right to sale her body if she so pleases. It is legal in Nevada. You will get no argument from me about this issue.

Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:

On second thought...

If "Gun Laws Were Like Abortion Laws"...

 

EVERYONE would have the right to own a gun...at the taxpayers expense.

EVERYONE, no matter what age, would have the right to own a gun...without their Parents knowing.

EVERYONE would have the RIGHT to throw their current gun away...and FREELY get another one.

Huh???

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If you were even close to right on any of these statements, you might have a valid point.

 

Tax payers do not pay for abortion.

In all but 5 states a minor must have permission from one or both parents to have an abortion. In all 50 states it is legal for a minor to own a gun.

Everyone has the right to throw away there gun and buy another one anytime they choose. (even though that has nothing to do with abortion, women aren't aborting their fetuses so that they can get a new one)

 

Next time you think you have something intelligent to contribute to a discussion, think again.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

The 2nd Amendment is about 'preserving lives and liberty'.  Abortion is about 'taking lives'.

Guns are about preserving life? How so? The only thing I know a gun can be used for (other than target practice or gun sports is to kill. Whether it is another human or an animal.

 

Legalized abortions are about saving the lives of many young women.

Originally Posted by Capt James T:

Last I checked, the Constitution does not say, specifically, that a woman has the right to an abortion.  In fact, the SCOTUS decision had more to do with a womans right to privacy:

 

 "right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the district court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade


Where the Constitution specifically speaks to our right to own a gun.  


A closer comparison would be if the SCOTUS had to rule on a case involving purchasing ammunition and how it relates to our right to own guns.  Roe vs Wade was about abortion and how it relates to a womans right to privacy.  

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So you think one constitutional right is more important than another? A womans right to privacy and liberty don't hold as much weight as your right to own a gun? I disagree. If we don't have the right to our own personal bodies, what good are any of the others?

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Capt James T:

Last I checked, the Constitution does not say, specifically, that a woman has the right to an abortion.  In fact, the SCOTUS decision had more to do with a womans right to privacy:

 

 "right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the district court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade


Where the Constitution specifically speaks to our right to own a gun.  


A closer comparison would be if the SCOTUS had to rule on a case involving purchasing ammunition and how it relates to our right to own guns.  Roe vs Wade was about abortion and how it relates to a womans right to privacy.  

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So you think one constitutional right is more important than another? A womans right to privacy and liberty don't hold as much weight as your right to own a gun? I disagree. If we don't have the right to our own personal bodies, what good are any of the others?

 

 

No, I said there is no specific wording regarding the right for a woman to have an abortion.  That right is a derived right based on her right to privacy regarding making decisions about her body.  

 

The right to own a gun is a specific right guaranteed by the Constitution.  

 

Your comparison of abortion laws to gun laws is apples to oranges.

 

But let me ask you this, while we are on the subject about the womans rights to do with her body as she wishes - Do you hold the father responsible for the child that is born if a woman decides to have the child and not abort it?

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Malarkey, no matter the amount of lip stick and perfume heaped up on it is still a heap of fetid stinking malarkey.

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That's all you got? LOL

Jank,

 

That's all that was necessary in the "well thought out argument."  Several other posters made more detailed arguments.  But, comparing a major article in the Bill of Rights, to a right discovered by SCOTUS in the penumbra of the Constitution is just that, a joke. 

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

The 2nd Amendment is about 'preserving lives and liberty'.  Abortion is about 'taking lives'.

Guns are about preserving life? How so? The only thing I know a gun can be used for (other than target practice or gun sports is to kill. Whether it is another human or an animal.

 

Legalized abortions are about saving the lives of many young women.


Surely you aren't this dense.  Several THOUSAND times a year firearms are used to PRESERVE lives, many times WITHOUT a shot having to be fired...yet the liberal media sees no need to report such FACTS.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Capt James T:

Last I checked, the Constitution does not say, specifically, that a woman has the right to an abortion.  In fact, the SCOTUS decision had more to do with a womans right to privacy:

 

 "right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the district court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade


Where the Constitution specifically speaks to our right to own a gun.  


A closer comparison would be if the SCOTUS had to rule on a case involving purchasing ammunition and how it relates to our right to own guns.  Roe vs Wade was about abortion and how it relates to a womans right to privacy.  

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So you think one constitutional right is more important than another? A womans right to privacy and liberty don't hold as much weight as your right to own a gun? I disagree. If we don't have the right to our own personal bodies, what good are any of the others?


Without the ABILITY to FIGHT BACK against a tyrannical government, all other 'rights' are moot. Such is the PRIMARY reason for the 2nd Amendment's existence.  Do yourself a favor and READ/STUDY the writings of the Founding Fathers re: tyrannical governments, liberty and freedom.

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Malarkey, no matter the amount of lip stick and perfume heaped up on it is still a heap of fetid stinking malarkey.

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That's all you got? LOL

Jank,

 

That's all that was necessary in the "well thought out argument."  Several other posters made more detailed arguments.  But, comparing a major article in the Bill of Rights, to a right discovered by SCOTUS in the penumbra of the Constitution is just that, a joke. 

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Womens rights are a joke? Human rights are a joke? This is typical Republicanism right here.

Originally Posted by Capt James T:

So you think one constitutional right is more important than another? A womans right to privacy and liberty don't hold as much weight as your right to own a gun? I disagree. If we don't have the right to our own personal bodies, what good are any of the others?

 

 

No, I said there is no specific wording regarding the right for a woman to have an abortion.  That right is a derived right based on her right to privacy regarding making decisions about her body.  

 

The right to own a gun is a specific right guaranteed by the Constitution.  

 

Your comparison of abortion laws to gun laws is apples to oranges.

 

But let me ask you this, while we are on the subject about the womans rights to do with her body as she wishes - Do you hold the father responsible for the child that is born if a woman decides to have the child and not abort it?

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Just so I understand where you are coming from on this Capt, lets be clear. Are you saying that Constitutional rights are only valid if they are specifically spelled out and referenced word for word? If that is your argument then what do you say about forced abortions? Do you think the government has a right to force a woman to have an abortion? If not, then why? It is not spelled out in the constitution that a woman has a right to carry a pregnancy to full term.

 

If you want to discuss men's rights I would prefer we start another thread if you don't mind. I would like to try and stay on topic with this one.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Capt James T:

Last I checked, the Constitution does not say, specifically, that a woman has the right to an abortion.  In fact, the SCOTUS decision had more to do with a womans right to privacy:

 

 "right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the district court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade


Where the Constitution specifically speaks to our right to own a gun.  


A closer comparison would be if the SCOTUS had to rule on a case involving purchasing ammunition and how it relates to our right to own guns.  Roe vs Wade was about abortion and how it relates to a womans right to privacy.  

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So you think one constitutional right is more important than another? A womans right to privacy and liberty don't hold as much weight as your right to own a gun? I disagree. If we don't have the right to our own personal bodies, what good are any of the others?


Without the ABILITY to FIGHT BACK against a tyrannical government, all other 'rights' are moot. Such is the PRIMARY reason for the 2nd Amendment's existence.  Do yourself a favor and READ/STUDY the writings of the Founding Fathers re: tyrannical governments, liberty and freedom.

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Well if you honestly believe that the guns you own can protect you against the US military then you are living in a fantasy.

 

Liberty and freedom are how these two rights are alike. I support the right to own a gun. I also support the right to have an abortion. One is not more important than the other. Both are extremely important to society as a whole. Yet, many Republicans would like to take a woman's right to privacy, liberty and freedom away and have worked long and hard at accomplishing that very goal.

Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

The 2nd Amendment is about 'preserving lives and liberty'.  Abortion is about 'taking lives'.

Guns are about preserving life? How so? The only thing I know a gun can be used for (other than target practice or gun sports is to kill. Whether it is another human or an animal.

 

Legalized abortions are about saving the lives of many young women.


Surely you aren't this dense.  Several THOUSAND times a year firearms are used to PRESERVE lives, many times WITHOUT a shot having to be fired...yet the liberal media sees no need to report such FACTS.

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As far as I know there is no way of determining how many lives have been saved by guns. We do have actual facts and numbers that show how many lives have been taken by guns though. How would one go about finding these statistics you are throwing out here? Thousands of lives have been preserved you say....show me.

 

I can show you how many womens lives have been saved by abortion if you like.

Originally Posted by Kenny Powers:

I am pro gun, pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro lower taxes, and pro govt staying out of my personal and financial business.

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We are 99.9 percent on the same page Kenny. I would be 100 percent with you except for the taxes. I don't like paying them, but I really don't see how we can run a country the size of the US without taxes. Of course I do think they could be lower if much of the stupid spending was cut out of our national budget.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:

The 2nd Amendment is about 'preserving lives and liberty'.  Abortion is about 'taking lives'.

Guns are about preserving life? How so? The only thing I know a gun can be used for (other than target practice or gun sports is to kill. Whether it is another human or an animal.

 

Legalized abortions are about saving the lives of many young women.


Surely you aren't this dense.  Several THOUSAND times a year firearms are used to PRESERVE lives, many times WITHOUT a shot having to be fired...yet the liberal media sees no need to report such FACTS.

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As far as I know there is no way of determining how many lives have been saved by guns. We do have actual facts and numbers that show how many lives have been taken by guns though. How would one go about finding these statistics you are throwing out here? Thousands of lives have been preserved you say....show me.

 

I can show you how many womens lives have been saved by abortion if you like.

 

 

Show us , then.

Then show us how many times abortion is used as "after the fact" birth control.

See how far your mouth gets ahead of your brain...as usual.

Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Capt James T:

So you think one constitutional right is more important than another? A womans right to privacy and liberty don't hold as much weight as your right to own a gun? I disagree. If we don't have the right to our own personal bodies, what good are any of the others?

 

 

No, I said there is no specific wording regarding the right for a woman to have an abortion.  That right is a derived right based on her right to privacy regarding making decisions about her body.  

 

The right to own a gun is a specific right guaranteed by the Constitution.  

 

Your comparison of abortion laws to gun laws is apples to oranges.

 

But let me ask you this, while we are on the subject about the womans rights to do with her body as she wishes - Do you hold the father responsible for the child that is born if a woman decides to have the child and not abort it?

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Just so I understand where you are coming from on this Capt, lets be clear. Are you saying that Constitutional rights are only valid if they are specifically spelled out and referenced word for word? If that is your argument then what do you say about forced abortions? Do you think the government has a right to force a woman to have an abortion? If not, then why? It is not spelled out in the constitution that a woman has a right to carry a pregnancy to full term.

 

If you want to discuss men's rights I would prefer we start another thread if you don't mind. I would like to try and stay on topic with this one.

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No, what I am saying is that abortion is NOT a constitutionally granted right.  The right to privacy is a constitutionally granted right - abortion is protected due to the protection of a womans right to privacy.  Real simple.  

 

Owning a gun is a specific right protected by the constitution.

 

As for the responsibility of a man, the further down this road we get I begin asking myself how anyone who believes in a womans rights to an abortion can say a man has the responsibility to pay for his child and not be a hypocrite.  He didnt make the choice to have, or not have, the child.  Its the womans body, the womans right, the womans responsibility.  Right?  Isn't that what the pro-choicers are always preaching about?

 

Of course, I believe a father should be as responsible for his child as the mother is.  But I dont believe in a abortion either.

 

As for how many womens lives have been saved - I would venture a good guess that it is a very small percentage compared to the number of convenience abortions that are performed every day.

Originally Posted by Capt James T:
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
Originally Posted by Capt James T:

So you think one constitutional right is more important than another? A womans right to privacy and liberty don't hold as much weight as your right to own a gun? I disagree. If we don't have the right to our own personal bodies, what good are any of the others?

 

 

No, I said there is no specific wording regarding the right for a woman to have an abortion.  That right is a derived right based on her right to privacy regarding making decisions about her body.  

 

The right to own a gun is a specific right guaranteed by the Constitution.  

 

Your comparison of abortion laws to gun laws is apples to oranges.

 

But let me ask you this, while we are on the subject about the womans rights to do with her body as she wishes - Do you hold the father responsible for the child that is born if a woman decides to have the child and not abort it?

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Just so I understand where you are coming from on this Capt, lets be clear. Are you saying that Constitutional rights are only valid if they are specifically spelled out and referenced word for word? If that is your argument then what do you say about forced abortions? Do you think the government has a right to force a woman to have an abortion? If not, then why? It is not spelled out in the constitution that a woman has a right to carry a pregnancy to full term.

 

If you want to discuss men's rights I would prefer we start another thread if you don't mind. I would like to try and stay on topic with this one.

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No, what I am saying is that abortion is NOT a constitutionally granted right.  The right to privacy is a constitutionally granted right - abortion is protected due to the protection of a womans right to privacy.  Real simple.  

 

Owning a gun is a specific right protected by the constitution.

 

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Seems to me that you are just splitting hairs. To deny one of these rights would be just as wrong and unconstitutional as the other. Privacy, liberty, freedom mean as much to me as having the right to own a gun. However, if I truly have the first 3, I can always find other means to defend myself. That should be my choice though.
I didn't start this thread to discuss right or wrong of abortion. It is a right and it is constitutional. I feel the same way about your opinion that you "don't believe in abortion" as I do those that say "I don't believe anyone should own a hand gun" If someone wants to deny certain groups of people their rights, based on their own personal beliefs rather than our constitution, then to me they don't fully believe in what we stand for as a nation. What we were founded on.
How can anyone fight for one Constitutional right, while trying to take away another Constitutional right, and justify it?
 
(I am talking about the Republican party and those that support their agenda to deny women the right to their own bodies.)
Originally Posted by Jankinonya:
How can anyone fight for one Constitutional right, while trying to take away another Constitutional right, and justify it?
 
I would guess the answer to this is that some believe that the absolute right to an abortion is not constitutionally protected as the right to own a gun is.  The right to privacy was provided by the constitution and it was decided, by the SCOTUS, that the right to privacy extended to a womans right to chose to have an abortion.  Those very people (conservatives) are 'pushing the envelope' to see how far the SCOTUS decision in Roe really goes.
 You have to remember that, before Roe vs Wade, abortion was illegal in 30 states and very limited in 46 states.  Roe vs Wade turned what the majority of the States believed on its head.  It forced them to accept the will of the minority.  Those people that were against abortion before Roe didnt just roll over and play dead.  They have continued to search for a way to overturn Roe or limit the damage they feel was done by the decision.
 In contrast, the right to own a gun has always been a given in some form or another.  The people that are fighting for the right to own guns are fighting for what they believe is the original intent of the framers of the constitution.  Many of them also believe that the framers of the constitution did not intend on the right to privacy to be used to allow the termination of a pregnancy.  
So, to answer your question, many conservatives believe that the attack on the right to own guns is a continuation of the liberal attack on the constitution.  They believe that Roe was also an attack on the constitution (through using the right to privacy to justify killing of a fetus), a battle that liberals won at the time.   
IMO - That is how they justify fighting for their 2nd amendment rights while fighting against abortion - Just my two cents.....

Now, to ask the same question of you - how do so many liberals find themselves fighting for a womans 'constitutional' right to an abortion while, at the same time, fighting against the 2nd amendment.  How can they argue to make abortions easier to obtain while arguing to make guns harder to obtain.  

 

And before we go down the road of how dangerous guns are to human life - lets look at the facts:


Year - 2008 


Estimated TOTAL number of abortions in US - 1.21 MILLION


Estimated TOTAL number of gun deaths in the US - 31,593


http://www.abort73.com/abortio...abortion_statistics/

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firea...region/united-states



Tell me, again, why liberals find so much fear in guns but are so willing to allow abortions.  Both end a life in one way or another.


Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

liberals don't find "fear in guns". we just feel guns should be more regulated than cars, marriage, boats.....  the average liberal doesn't want to take your guns. we just wish to see a better job of regulating who can obtain them.

Back to the question - why is it OK for liberals to expand gun regulation while, at the same time, arguing against abortion regulation?

 

Abortion: 1.21 Million killed vs guns: 31,593 killed - 2008

 

So, why is it that liberals feel guns should be more regulated than abortion?

There are many ways to look at this argument, but let us start with the basic logical premise.

Buying a gun is not the same thing as snuffing out a human life for convenience in most cases.

Second, buying a gun does not require a trained medical provider to be be willing to perform that procedure. There are not many providers which I know of who actively pursue a career in becoming an abortionist. I have known only a few that relished that job, and most of the ones I knew had a serious psychological flaw.  the Hyppocratic Oath basically frowns upon the taking of human life in a needless situation, so unless there is a danger to the mother, or a case of incest, rape, or tragic chromosomal changes, it pretty much goes against everything they swore to uphold.  The same goes for those who participate in capital punishment.

Thirdly, there is little to no government funding that I know of to supplement the purchase of my gun.  For instance, the government does not provide funds thru the NRU, like they do thru Planned Parenthood, that is then funnelled into an abortion clinic in order to hide the fact that the government is supplementing the abortion clinic.

Finally, there is no religious objection that I know of by most of the most modern religions to owning a gun, however killing a human being is pretty much considereda bad thing.

Thanks Teyates - so much better than the way I put it.

 

So, now we have given our opinions on our side, Im wondering if they are going to explain why its ok for them to propose regulations to gun ownership while arguing for removing restrictions regarding abortion.

 

1.21 Million lives needlessly ended in 2008 alone.  Imagine how many it would be if there were less restrictions on abortion than there are now!

 

As for an earlier comment about age restrictions on gun ownership - here is the federal law - 

 

Federal law prohibits firearms dealers from selling or delivering a shotgun or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any person the dealer knows or has reasonable cause to believe is under the age of 18. 


Dealers are prohibited from selling or delivering firearms other than shotguns or rifles (e.g., handguns) or ammunition for those firearms to any person the dealer knows or has reasonable cause to believe is under the age of 21


http://smartgunlaws.org/minimu...arms-policy-summary/

 

So, by liberal logic, its not ok for a 13 year old to go out and buy a gun at walmart, but its clearly ok for that same 13 year old to go out and buy the morning after pill for abortion on demand.

 

See where our country has gone wrong?  We keep sending these immoral messages to our children that its ok to have sex, its ok to get pregnant (govt will support you), its ok to go get an abortion if you dont want to have the baby (and not want to tell your parents).  Then we wonder where we went wrong when some kid shoots up a school full of children.  Pitiful.....

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

1st, where are people arguing for less regulation of abortion clinics?

by your own logic, abortions and guns "end human life".

seems kinda strange to fight so hard against one.. and yet, for the other.

Here is an example - New bill would expand early abortion providers in California

 
As for your second point - let me be perfectly clear so there is no mistake - guns can end a human life, but that is not their sole function or design.  Abortion, however, does end a human life.  It has no other purpose.  Whether it be for the health of the mother, due to a rape, or for pure convenience, the end result is always the same.


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