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Hal Moore: (praying) Our Father in Heaven, before we go into battle every soldier among us will approach You, each in his own way. Our enemies too, according to their own understanding, will ask for protection and for victory. And so we bow before Your infinite wisdom. We offer our prayers as best we can. I pray that You watch over the young men like Jack Geoghegan that I lead into battle; You use me as Your instrument in this awful hell of war, to watch over them. Especially if they are men like this one beside me deserving of a future in Your blessing and good will. Amen.Jack Geoghegan: Amen.Hal Moore: Oh, yes, and one more thing, dear Lord — about our enemies? Ignore their heathen prayers and help us blow those little bast**** straight to he!!. Amen again.Jack Geoghegan: Uh... Amen.

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I remember watching the movie and when he prayed he acknowledged that his enemies would be praying too

Christians always skirt around the question when it's ask, but what if your enemy's god hears his prayers? Don't you think they claim it happens for them just as much as christians claim they have answered prayers? How do people that don't believe or pray have good outcomes in bad situations?

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Hi Jennifer,

 

The prehistoric people of both the European continent and the American continents believed that god, the great spirit, was in everything, i.e., animals, trees, rocks, water, etc.   This is called Pantheism, where supposedly God is in everything within creation.  These folks, feeling the inner desire to worship God and yet not knowing Him -- assigned God to all of creation.

 

So, some worshiped animals, some worshiped trees, rocks, water, or whatever.  As we are told in the Bible, God writes His message in the hearts of all peoples.  Yet, until the people gain a knowledge of the one God; they look for things in His creation to worship.

 

We find this prevalent in the Native American religions; we find it in many Pantheistic religions.

 

Yet, none of these things are God.  They are gods -- physical objects to be worshiped -- but, not God.

 

So, if a people pray to a tree, while others pray to a stone -- yes, they are praying.  But, it is a useless effort even though it may make them feel better.  For, gods of wood, stone, and water cannot hear, speak, or know anything.   They are inanimate objects of the creation.  They are not the Creator.

 

But, does God take sides in a war -- or in a sporting event?  Maybe in a war if one side is an unGodly pagan nation.  We read about this frequently in the Old Testament -- where God drives out the pagan worshipers and gives the land to His chosen people, Israel. 

 

Why did God destroy or drive out the pagans?   So that their false religions would not infect the Israeli's worship of the true God.  He instructed the Israelis to destroy the pagan religion worshipers and their temples of worship to inanimate objects.  He did this to protect His chosen people.

 

But, a football game?  No, God does not really care whether Alabama beats Auburn or not.  He just wants His children -- regardless of what school colors they are wearing -- to conduct themselves in a manner which reflects well on His holy nature.  But, no, He does not block an Auburn field goal so that Alabama can win. 

 

So, Jennifer, my Friend -- in conclusion, since there is only one God -- He will not "whup" Himself.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Jennifer,

But, a football game?  No, God does not really care whether Alabama beats Auburn or not.  He just wants His children -- regardless of what school colors they are wearing -- to conduct themselves in a manner which reflects well on His holy nature.  But, no, He does not block an Auburn field goal so that Alabama can win. 

 Bill

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Just exactly how does the behavior of the players on a football field reflect anything upon God's holy nature? They're out there knocking each down over a ball.

 

Wasn't to long ago you were right in there cheering the "Christians" on over their gang mentality of prayer at Brooks High School.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

"We were Soldiers"

 

Hal Moore: (praying) Our Father in Heaven, before we go into battle every soldier among us will approach You, each in his own way. Our enemies too, according to their own understanding, will ask for protection and for victory. And so we bow before Your infinite wisdom. We offer our prayers as best we can. I pray that You watch over the young men like Jack Geoghegan that I lead into battle; You use me as Your instrument in this awful hell of war, to watch over them. Especially if they are men like this one beside me deserving of a future in Your blessing and good will. Amen.Jack Geoghegan: Amen.Hal Moore: Oh, yes, and one more thing, dear Lord — about our enemies? Ignore their heathen prayers and help us blow those little bast**** straight to he!!. Amen again.Jack Geoghegan: Uh... Amen.

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I remember watching the movie and when he prayed he acknowledged that his enemies would be praying too

Christians always skirt around the question when it's ask, but what if your enemy's god hears his prayers? Don't you think they claim it happens for them just as much as christians claim they have answered prayers? How do people that don't believe or pray have good outcomes in bad situations?

I think the Holy Spirit is working on you! You can't seem to shake him can you?

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Jennifer,

 

The prehistoric people of both the European continent and the American continents believed that god, the great spirit, was in everything, i.e., animals, trees, rocks, water, etc.   This is called Pantheism, where supposedly God is in everything within creation.  These folks, feeling the inner desire to worship God and yet not knowing Him -- assigned God to all of creation.

 

So, some worshiped animals, some worshiped trees, rocks, water, or whatever.  As we are told in the Bible, God writes His message in the hearts of all peoples.  Yet, until the people gain a knowledge of the one God; they look for things in His creation to worship.

 

We find this prevalent in the Native American religions; we find it in many Pantheistic religions.

 

Yet, none of these things are God.  They are gods -- physical objects to be worshiped -- but, not God.

 

So, if a people pray to a tree, while others pray to a stone -- yes, they are praying.  But, it is a useless effort even though it may make them feel better.  For, gods of wood, stone, and water cannot hear, speak, or know anything.   They are inanimate objects of the creation.  They are not the Creator.

 

But, does God take sides in a war -- or in a sporting event?  Maybe in a war if one side is an unGodly pagan nation.  We read about this frequently in the Old Testament -- where God drives out the pagan worshipers and gives the land to His chosen people, Israel. 

 

Why did God destroy or drive out the pagans?   So that their false religions would not infect the Israeli's worship of the true God.  He instructed the Israelis to destroy the pagan religion worshipers and their temples of worship to inanimate objects.  He did this to protect His chosen people.

 

But, a football game?  No, God does not really care whether Alabama beats Auburn or not.  He just wants His children -- regardless of what school colors they are wearing -- to conduct themselves in a manner which reflects well on His holy nature.  But, no, He does not block an Auburn field goal so that Alabama can win. 

 

So, Jennifer, my Friend -- in conclusion, since there is only one God -- He will not "whup" Himself.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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So, except for the Jews and those exposed to Western Civilization, everyone else is going to hell.  God sure did lose track of a lot of souls for someone who is omniscient.

quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
quote:  Originally Posted by Gingee:
I think the Holy Spirit is working on you! You can't seem to shake him can you?
So, Gingee, you know the Holy Spirit isn't a ghost, right?

Hi Crusty,

 

You have posted this same comment several times in other discussions.  I am just curious; what point are you attempting to make?  Gingee, like most of we Christians, did refer to the Holy Spirit, third person of the Trinity.  Yet, there are some churches who still refer to Him as the Holy Ghost -- which by the Greek language of the Bible could also be correct.

 

But, since Gingee refers to the Holy Spirit -- what is your point?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

So you think the Holy Spirit is a ghostly being?  You don't understand the trinity at all.


Hi Crusty,

 

Okay, I concede to you.  You tell us your understanding of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost.

 

Also, I would appreciate it if you can elaborate upon your understanding of the Trinity.

 

Now, if you respond as you typically do; you will come back with inane comments which means nothing -- and try to cutesy yourself out of answering the questions.  Not a problem.  All that tells us is that you have no idea what you are talking about -- and just want to make noise.   To make that kind of noise -- all you have to do is eat beans.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Now, if you respond as you typically do; you will come back with inane comments which means nothing -- and try to cutesy yourself out of answering the questions.  Not a problem.  All that tells us is that you have no idea what you are talking about -- and just want to make noise.   To make that kind of noise -- all you have to do is eat beans.

 

 

 

Dang bill, you just described yourself!

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

So you think the Holy Spirit is a ghostly being?  You don't understand the trinity at all.


Hi Crusty,

 

Okay, I concede to you.  You tell us your understanding of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Ghost.

 

Also, I would appreciate it if you can elaborate upon your understanding of the Trinity.

 

Now, if you respond as you typically do; you will come back with inane comments which means nothing -- and try to cutesy yourself out of answering the questions.  Not a problem.  All that tells us is that you have no idea what you are talking about -- and just want to make noise.   To make that kind of noise -- all you have to do is eat beans.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

I asked you first, Bill.  Holy Spirit is a ghost like creature?   LOL.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

No such thing as a holy spirit gingee. Shake who? Now tell me why people "praying" to other gods have their prayers answered, or why good things happen to people who don't pray or believe. Can't do it can you?

Sorry for the delay, I have to work for a living.

I will tell you my thoughts on this which I think, believe it or not, are some very good questions.

I have no way of knowing that persons praying to "other gods" are having their prayers answered. If you want me to assume that they are, I can't do that. Having a personal relationship with God I know without a doubt that there is only one God. As far as good things happening to people who don't pray what is your definition of good? If you mean monetary things I would have to say that what seems good today may not be good tomorrow. Have you ever had something happen in your life that you thought was so grand and later turned out to be terrible? Or have you ever had something bad happen that later turned out to be wonderful? I know I have. All I can tell you Bestworking is that I know in my Heart and Soul that God is creator of all things, but if it were not for the Holy Spirit I would not be able to go on as I do. When you talk about God in negative terms It causes an ache deep inside me. I understand why you feel as you do about Christians. Not all persons who claim to be Christians are believers in God. They do not have a personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. I do not know who they are, I cannot read their heart. There are probably not many true Christians in the world today. I am not saying this to make myself special because God knows the way I am. I have many many shortfalls and I am totally unworthy of any blessing and do not deserve to even ask God for anything in prayer. Yet God lets me know that he loves me anyway and that he wants me to ask him for things but he also wants me to constantly ask forgiveness for the many things I do every day that do not please him. I know you are probably not going to believe what I'm telling you but I do appreciate you letting me tell you what's my mind.

I am not trying to "ruffle your feathers" but I do feel God is working in your life. I will pray for you and if it offends you just pass it off as someone you don't know trying to help.

God bless you.

Gingee the thread was pretty clear. Others believe their god is working for them too.  You say there is only your one god, that's what they say too. I just wonder why all religions can't accept the fact that other peoples gods are as important to them, and why they constantly fight against them and call them "cults". IF what I say upsets you, don't read my posts. I don't know what else to tell you. Your god is in no way "working on or through me" and that argument doesn't do anything for me. I was a believer once, no more, and never again.

Your prayers would probably be appreciated by some, I don't want or need them, but it is your time to waste. If that sounds harsh I'm sorry. It's hard to know the tone people are using when they are posting words. The spoken word comes across a lot differently sometimes. You've called me hateful, bitter, all sorts of things. It doesn't bother me. I know how threatened a believer is by someone who can stand up and say they just don't believe it, and I've seen others post things a lot worse than I post(both christian and atheist) but they somehow get a pass.  But believe me, nothing "ruffles my feathers". I always consider the source, and you have to care about someone before they can bother you. I've said this before, if this upset me I'd just leave. No big "going away" speech, no whining, I'd just leave. And I've said this before too, I would probably already be gone if not for some very hateful posts made by a few "christians" when I first posted here. They threw down the gauntlet so to speak.

Why christians worship a god that they feel they can never be good enough for, or do enough for, or talk about enough, or love enough is beyond me. Not to mention a god that doesn't seem to do one darn thing for the very ones that claim he loves them so. Good things happen to bad people, bad things happen to bad people, good things happen to good people, bad things happen to good people. It's called life. And btw, we work for a living too, no one gives us a thing, we work for everything we get.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

No such thing as a holy spirit gingee. Shake who? Now tell me why people "praying" to other gods have their prayers answered, or why good things happen to people who don't pray or believe. Can't do it can you?

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Originally Posted by Gingee:
 All I can tell you Bestworking is that I know in my Heart and Soul that God is creator of all things, but if it were not for the Holy Spirit I would not be able to go on as I do. When you talk about God in negative terms It causes an ache deep inside me. I understand why you feel as you do about Christians. Not all persons who claim to be Christians are believers in God. They do not have a personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. I do not know who they are, I cannot read their heart. There are probably not many true Christians in the world today. I know you are probably not going to believe what I'm telling you but I do appreciate you letting me tell you what's my mind.

I am not trying to "ruffle your feathers" but I do feel God is working in your life. I will pray for you and if it offends you just pass it off as someone you don't know trying to help.

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Gingee, I have a couple of questions.

You say that not all persons who claim to be Christians are believers in God. How can someone call themselves a Christian if they don't believe in God? A person can believe in God, call themselves a Christian but only wear the hat, like Bill Gray does.

If not God, what/who do they believe in & still say their a Christian?

 

You say you do not know who they are & cannot read a person's heart, but you, all in the same sentence, turned right around & said they do not have a personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. How can you know that if you don't know them & can't read their heart? If you don't know someone, you for sure don't know what is in that person's heart.

 

I have seen you call Best hateful, & bitter. You've even made a few choice judgments about me before. You seem to think the Holy Spirit is "working" on Best & that she "can't seem to shake him". That gave me a laugh!

She's made no secret where she stands on God & all that stuff. Why is it Christians find it so hard to believe there are people in the United States that don't believe as they do? Best doesn't believe, I have my doubts, but we're treated as though we have horns coming out of our head. Why is that?

 

You say you will pray for Best & if it offends her, she can just pass it off as someone she doesn't know trying to help. Help her do what?

 

I have seen you agree with Bill Gray & he's one of the worse examples of Christianity that I've ever seen. You need to read his post a little more closely.

Self-centeredness and exceptionalism are likely the most common of modern Christian traits. Especially with Protestants. Ever notice that you've NEVER-ever heard one say anything but that THEY are truly "Christian" but that others who claim to be really aren't? Or that THEY truly understand what their god wants, while others who claim to be Christian don't? Or that THEY have a personal relationship with their god but most don't? Etc., etc. LOL Interesting how their god encourages them all to feel unique and special at the expense of all the other Christians, that are just like them.

quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

So how about it, Bill?  Holy Spirit - ghostly being?  Yes, or no?


Hi Crusty,

 

I have answered your question in my new discussion titled "The Holy Spirit - Our Eternal Security!"   If you want to take a look, good.  If not, not a problem.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Hi Gingee,

If you say, "Good morning!" or "God bless you!" -- they will accuse you of making terrorist threats.

Bill

 

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"They" who bill? Who are you accusing of that? You just lied bill, once more. No surprise, it's just what we expect from a morally bankrupt person like you.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by lexum:

Best, I just ain’t never. You almost had me bawling.LOL

I’ll bet gengee is shaking in her boots like yours.

Who were these critchuns that made you stick?

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You need to be careful. I think someone gave you some bad weed.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

Semi, for the sake of mankind, at a very early age, five or so, I recognized the important contributions to society that I was destined to make. Based on that solemn responsibility I vowed a sober and recreational drug free life in the interest of folk like yourself. Free to all, un-relenting,  this charge I take.

Bestworking and chick

I said I was a Christian not a Saint. I have my short comings just like everyone else. The difference between myself and those who choose to not believe is that I have a God to please and therefore  I try to attempt to restrain from sin. I am not always successful but I constantly try to do better.

Unbelievers such as yourself have no such obligation not to sin. You essentialy get a free pass to say anything and everything you want and not have to defend it because you don't believe in anything.

You can therefore sit back on forums such as this and try to pick apart the things that Christians stand for. If you want to deny God that is your choice but attacking God constantly just shows that you are having trouble with your own beliefs. If you wanted to have an intelligent discussion about atheist and people who do not believe in anything you should go to another site. But you continue on this site because you get to say what you want without having to defend it. Why don't you go into detail about what you believe and we may be able to have a discussion. Tell what you believe not what you don't believe about Christianity.

 

Unbelievers such as yourself have no such obligation not to sin. You essentialy get a free pass to say anything and everything you want and not have to defend it because you don't believe in anything.

 

 

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I have an obligation to my family, my friends, my society and to myself not to sin. There are no "free passes" on life. When you are accountable to your loved ones and yourself it's a lot different than thinking you can do what you want and then "pray it away".  Apparently YOU think you have a free pass to judge and belittle us because we don't believe in your myth. We don't have to go to another site, and as suggested before, IF you don't like what we post, don't read it. But don't start with that holier than thou crap, and how we're not good people because we don't grovel to your god, and don't start telling us where we have to post. This is a public forum.

Hi Chick,

 

WHO IS KIDDING?  I said what I meant -- and I meant what I said:

 

Hi Gingee,   As you most likely know by now -- it does not matter what you share with our non-believing Friends -- they will twist it.  If you say, "Good morning!" or "God bless you!" -- they will accuse you of making terrorist threats.

 

The "Terrible Two plus Crusty" -- have accused me of every offense under the sun -- and then made up a few for good measure.   Kidding?  Not really.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Chick,

 

WHO IS KIDDING?  I said what I meant -- and I meant what I said:

 

Hi Gingee,   As you most likely know by now -- it does not matter what you share with our non-believing Friends -- they will twist it.  If you say, "Good morning!" or "God bless you!" -- they will accuse you of making terrorist threats.

 

The "Terrible Two plus Crusty" -- have accused me of every offense under the sun -- and then made up a few for good measure.   Kidding?  Not really.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

God-Smile-On-You

 

Name names bill. Who has accused you of everything under the sun? Who has accused you of making terrorist threats? Care to name names? Come on bill, tell who said that and when they said it.  Surely you wouldn't be lying now would you? Come on, tell us the names. Tell us what has been "made up" about you. I dare you to tell us who said those things.

But best, what is your gut reason for being here on the religious forum?

    Do you consider yourself religious?

Are you trying to save believers?

     Are you trying to make friends ?

Or influence enemies?

     I mean we really like you but why come on a religious forum of believers and insult us?

I think you may be associated with the humanist of the shoals if so I need no answers because I know their mission. It is a socialist group pis0sed off at society for some pierre cardin reasons most folk pay no attention to. For instance, one of the members is pzzid of because the sidewalks are built too close to his ***

But best, what is your gut reason for being here on the religious forum?-None of your business.

 

    Do you consider yourself religious?-Nope

 

Are you trying to save believers?-Nope

 

     Are you trying to make friends ?-Nope

 

Or influence enemies?-Couldn't care less what my "enemies" think.

 

     I mean we really like you but why come on a religious forum of believers and insult us?-I insult no one that doesn't start with me first, then I give it back to them. But you know that.

 

 

I think you may be associated with the humanist of the shoals if so I need no answers because I know their mission. It is a socialist group pis0sed off at society for some pierre cardin reasons most folk pay no attention to. For instance, one of the members is pzzid of because the sidewalks are built too close to his ***

 

Apparently YOU pay close attention to it and fret about it constantly. I have no affiliation with any groups. But if you're against it I'd have to say it's probably good folks.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Chick,

 

WHO IS KIDDING?  I said what I meant -- and I meant what I said:

 

Hi Gingee,   As you most likely know by now -- it does not matter what you share with our non-believing Friends -- they will twist it.  If you say, "Good morning!" or "God bless you!" -- they will accuse you of making terrorist threats.

 

The "Terrible Two plus Crusty" -- have accused me of every offense under the sun -- and then made up a few for good measure.   Kidding?  Not really.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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My irony meter just blew up. 

Originally Posted by Gingee:

Bestworking and chick

I said I was a Christian not a Saint. I have my short comings just like everyone else. The difference between myself and those who choose to not believe is that I have a God to please and therefore  I try to attempt to restrain from sin. I am not always successful but I constantly try to do better.

Unbelievers such as yourself have no such obligation not to sin. You essentialy get a free pass to say anything and everything you want and not have to defend it because you don't believe in anything.

You can therefore sit back on forums such as this and try to pick apart the things that Christians stand for. If you want to deny God that is your choice but attacking God constantly just shows that you are having trouble with your own beliefs. If you wanted to have an intelligent discussion about atheist and people who do not believe in anything you should go to another site. But you continue on this site because you get to say what you want without having to defend it. Why don't you go into detail about what you believe and we may be able to have a discussion. Tell what you believe not what you don't believe about Christianity.

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To say you try to attempt to restrain from sin, not always being successful but constantly trying to do better is a cop-out that I get sick to death of hearing a Christian say.  If anyone gets a free pass to say anything & everything they want, it’s most Christians. All they have to do is ask God to forgive them & wah la! All better until the next sin.

 

We have no obligation not to sin? So you think we lie, cheat, hurt others, have no moral values just because we don’t wear a Christian hat? You have led a very sheltered life if you think someone has to be a Christian to be a good person.

 

Where have you seen me say I’m an unbeliever? Where have you seen me come straight out & deny God?

 

You must not have read my post because you didn’t bother to answer my questions. Or maybe, like Bill, that’s something you don’t do.

 

What makes you think Jenn & I can’t have an intelligent discussion right here on this forum? We’ve done it before, many times. But if attacked, I’m not one to sit & allow it & I don’t think Jenn is either. What right do you have to tell us to go someplace else?  We have as much a right to be here as you do. There’s been many times that Jenn & I have defended what we do or don’t believe.

 

Jenn has never hid the fact that she’s an Atheist. She is treated as though she’s stupid for being one but I find her to be more intelligent than some people on this forum. She doesn’t wear a mask, & she won’t lie to you.

 

I have said many times on this forum where I stand on Christianity. I’ve made no secret of how I feel. As for sitting back & trying to pick apart the things that Christians stand for? Honey, I have seen the best in action. I’ve stood toe to toe with their  sanctimonious, judgmental crap.

I have friends that are truly trying to live a Christian life, but the majority only wear the hat.

If you have any questions for me, bring them on. I have no problem answering questions.

 

 

 

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