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Hi to all my Forum Friends,

In the discussion I began titled "An Atheist's Perfect Solution For God And Creationism?" -- the discussion seems to have taken a  turn toward discussing the common usage of God's name in a way we Christians feel is derogatory.   In that discussion a number of folks have shared their thoughts on the subject.   So, please allow me to also share my feelings on this issue.

Most of you have friends who are Christian; even if you are not.  What this discussion, regarding taking God's name in vain, boils down to is -- showing respect for those friends who are Christian, and for people you meet, or are around in the general public, not knowing if they are Christian or not.  If you know that a word or phrase may be offensive to others -- why do you feel a need to use it in front of them?  And, this applies equally to oral conversations, to written dialogues, and posting on public forums such as the  Religion Forum and Facebook.

Would you walk up to a friend and tell him/her that his/her mother or sister is a prostitute (using the more common street words)?   Of course you would not.  Why?  If for no other reason, even if you could know it is true -- you would not say this, out of respect for that friend's feelings.

Putting the shoe on the other foot, how would you feel if that were your mother, your sister, your wife, or another member of your family?   Yes, it would bother you, it would offend you.   And, Christians feel just as strongly about the name of our God.

So, even though you may not believe in God -- and therefore the use of His name as an exclamation, or to add emphasis to your statement, may not bother you -- the fact that it does bother others around you should be reason enough to not do it.

This is why we ask you not to use His name (God, Jesus, Holy Spirit), His initials (OMG), or any variation of His name (Jeesus, geez, jeese louise, gosh, etc.) -- as slang expressions, exclamations, or emphasis in your comments.

 

At times, when I have had Friends do this in front of me, saying, "OMG" or "Oh, my God" or some such exclamation -- I will smile and ask them to please continue their prayer.   Do I do this to be nasty?  Of course not.  I do it to remind them that they are taking God's name in vain -- and to remind them that this does offend me.


Most of you are intelligent enough to add alternative words to your vocabulary.   Several have mentioned, "We hear it every day!" or  "We hear it on television, movies, etc., all the time."    Just because the people on television or in movies spew trash; does not mean that you must spew trash?  We all know that Hollywood and all the entertainment industry has long ago abandoned any sort of moral values in their work.   But, just because those highly over-paid misfits do it -- is no reason for normal, intelligent people to do it.  Let's not live by the maxim, "Monkey see, monkey do!"

Just my thoughts.  Let's all strive to have mutual respect for one another.   And, no, the fact that I, or another Christian, tells you that atheism is wrong is not showing a lack of respect -- no more than you saying you do not believe in my God is showing a lack of respect for me.   We can agree to disagree on many issues -- without sacrificing our ability to have civil discussions.

And, that goes for name calling from both sides of the aisle.  I have seen folks on the Religion Forum who tell us they are Christian.   Yet, they post derogatory names and comments against those with whom they disagree.  That is wrong!  And, especially if those folks truly are Christian -- and are calling others derogatory names.  We, as Christians, are called to set an example -- to show that we are Christ Followers.

So, let me close by answering a couple of my more dedicated followers on the Religion Forum.  No, telling folks that heaven and hell are real places -- and, that every single person must choose which he/she wants as their eternal home -- is not being nasty.   

Christians know, for a fact, that heaven and hell are real and are the only two eternal destinations for all people.  We know that all people will live eternally.   We just want to point everyone toward the more pleasant eternal home.    

That, my Friends, is love -- not a slam, nor hate, nor being nasty.  That is Christian love for all people.  If we did not feel a Christian love for you; we would not care what happens to you for eternity. 


But, we do care.  And, we want, with all our hearts, to share heaven with each and every one of you.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
  If you know that a word or phrase may be offensive to others -- why do you feel a need to use it in front of them?
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I find it extremely offensive for a Christian to claim his imaginary sky daddy will send us nonbelievers to the place of eternal torture. Are you willing to drop that stupidity?

Nah, didn't think so. 
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Just my thoughts.  Let's all strive to have mutual respect for one another.  (....)

That, my Friends, is love -- not a slam, nor hate, nor being nasty.  That is Christian love for all people.  If we did not feel a Christian love for you; we would not care what happens to you for eternity.

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Oh Jesus H. Christ on a drumstick!  The narcissism, it burns.  You really don't have any idea how insincere that sounds coming from you, do you?

 

Nah, didn't think so.

All I can say to you bill is this-if you think it's only atheists using those phrases then everyone in the entire country are atheists. Get a grip bill, you just wanted to make a new thread. You could have commented on the other thread with only a few words.

 

There's not a day that goes by that you don't hear something such as: "Oh my god, are you serious--good god people--god almighty--lord help me--lord have mercy did you see that dress--lord love a duck---and on and on and on. I could make a list as long as one of your rambling posts. And you seriously think you can blame atheists for the way people talk and have talked for as long as I can remember? Where do you think atheists heard the phrases??  Face it bill, you stink at trying to insult. Now why not tell all your christian friends that are sooooooooo insulted by these phrases that they need to stop using them? Tell them they're a bad influence on the atheists.

I would sit with my mouth open in astonishment at your original post in this thread, Bill, but I recovered after a moment and laughed instead.  You don't seriously expect newcomers to this forum to read your posts and not see them for the passive-aggressive, insulting posts they truly are, do you?

 

So you don't call them nasty names?  Of course you do call them names that to you are insults such as animals, say if they don't believe as you all manner of condescending and nasty comments, but you seem to believe you are just loving them by adding that signature or saying your insults are all for their own salvation.  I have known some wonderful Christians who truly do live compassionate and moral lives just as I know people from other groups..including atheists who do as well, and I assure you they wouldn't think of making many of the derogatory comments I have read from you here.  Seriously, be honest.  You don't think the people who disagree with you are your friends, you don't like them and you think they are all going to hell, and the only reason you would be around them is to push your beliefs on them repeatedly under the guise of trying to save them.  This forum for you is a place where you can say hateful things, add a few Bible verses, and use them to back up your nasty comments...and then you add that signature to soften it all up and make it all sound respectful.  

 

Mutual respect?  I believe you will be shown that when you begin to treat others with respect.  Atheists and those of other religious groups deserve your respect, but they will never get it from you and the energy you give off from your posts is not respectful of anyone.  You seem to think that you can say whatever you want and add "this is for your own good or in Christian love" in various words and all the negative energy that comes off your posts directed at others won't be noticed, but it is.

 

I suggest you consider just living your set of values and trying to respect others' beliefs whether you believe they are on the right path or not if you want to show others the path to salvation.  .  This thread is amazing...wow.  On other words, take the mote out of your own eye before you try to take it from your neighbor's.

 

I give up on trying to have respectful conversations with you, and if I knew how to place people on ignore I would do it now.  I enjoy learning and discussing topics, but it isn't happening with you and I won't be responding to you again.  

Originally Posted by frog:

  You don't seriously expect newcomers to this forum to read your posts and not see them for the passive-aggressive, insulting posts they truly are, do you?

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Oh my god, a DUH MOMENT!  For me, not you.  What a perfect description!

I know, stupid and obvious, but I never associated Bill's venomous posts with "passive agressive,"  I've never seen anyone else here call it that.  Yet that is such a simple, beautiful and obvious description for virtually every post the old fart makes.  

 

DUH again!  

 

Thanks.

Hi Jennifer,

You tell me, "All I can say to you, Bill, is this -- if you think it's only atheists using those phrases -- then everyone in the entire country is atheist."

Unfortunately, Jennifer, what you tell me is true.  It is not only the atheists and other non-believers who are taking God's name in vain by using such words or phrases as, "OMG" or "Oh, my God!" -- and others.  That is why I have shared this, and my previous message, to my Friends Ministry mail list, as well as on Facebook.  Far too many Christians seem to have been lulled into repeating these derogatory phrases without really realizing that they are, indeed, offending the God we worship.

Jennifer, the message I wrote in my earlier post, while initially targeted toward the atheist and non-believers who had begun the "spitting contest" in my discussion titled "An Atheist's Perfect Solution For God And Creationism?" -- was meant for, and sent to, my Christian Friends as well.  In my message, I wrote:


At times, when I have had Friends do this in front of me, saying, "OMG" or "Oh, my God" or some such exclamation --  I will smile and ask them to please continue their prayer.   Do I do this to be nasty?  Of course not.  I do it to remind them that they are taking God's name in vain -- and to remind them that this does offend me.


This request for mutual respect is meant for everyone -- not just atheists and other non-believers -- and not just for believers -- but, everyone.  Let's all respect one another enough to avoid offensive comments.  And, we Christian believers must respect our Lord enough that we respect and glorify His holy name.

Next, Jennifer, you tell me, "Get a grip, Bill, you just wanted to make a new thread (discussion).  You could have commented on the other thread with only a few words."

Yes, I could have posted in my "An Atheist's Perfect Solution For God And Creationism?" -- but, my purpose in being on the Religion Forum is not to participate in "spitting contests."  And, it was obvious that you and others had taken that discussion in a different direction than I had originally intended.

But, the main reason I began a new discussion is that I feel so deeply that this issue of using God's holy name to add emphasis, color, exclamation, or whatever to a conversation is far too important to allow it to be buried at the bottom of another, totally unrelated, discussion.  This is an issue for everyone -- believer and non-believer -- for we believers must respect our God -- and we all should respect one another enough that we will avoid offensive words, phrases, and comments.

Then, Jennifer, you tell me, "There's not a day that goes by that you don't hear something such as: "Oh my God, are you serious" --  "good God people" -- "God almighty" -- "Lord help me" -- "Lord have mercy, did you see that dress" -- 'Lord love a duck" --- and on and on and on.

Jennifer, I suppose the best response I can offer regarding this statement is what I wrote in my original post:


But, just because those highly over-paid (Hollywood) misfits do it -- is no reason for normal, intelligent people to do it.   Let's not live by the maxim, "Monkey see, monkey do!"


Finally, Jennifer, you tell me, "I could make a list as long as one of your rambling posts.  And, you seriously think you can blame atheists for the way people talk and have talked for as long as I can remember?  Where do you think atheists heard the phrases??   Face it, Bill, you stink at trying to insult.

Why not tell all your Christian friends that are sooooooooo insulted by these phrases that they need to stop using themTell them  they're a bad influence on the atheists."

Thank you, Jennifer.  I could not have written the message more powerfully.  Yes, ALL Christian believers should, and must, realize that the world is watching us -- ready to throw stones at any misstep we make in our Christian walk.  Why are we so foolishly adding ammunition for their artillery barrage -- by tossing God's name around as though it means nothing?

To my Christian Friends, I plead with you.  Before you toss out an "OMG" or an "Oh, my God!" or an "Oh, Jesus" -- before you (not  all, but, I have seen too many Christians on Facebook doing this -- one is too many!) -- toss out the "F" word and the "S" word as though it is normal, everyday conversational language -- stop and remember that the non-Christian world is watching you, to learn how a Christian acts when not in the presence of his/her pastor and elders.  

My Friends, this language is not for the Christian lips or heart.  As a matter of fact, this language is not for the lips of any intelligent, civilized person.

No one can tell me, that, if they really think about it -- they cannot find an alternate phrase or word to use instead of OMG -- that they cannot find an alternate word to express their frustrations other than the "F" or "S" words.

How does one, Christian believer or any non-believer, train himself/herself to NOT use these words?  Actually, it is simple.  I recall, when I was a young man, driving around the Southern California streets and freeways -- I made a habit of preparing myself mentally.

I would ask myself and give serious thought to finding mental answers:  "What would I do if I had a blowout?" OR "What would I do, if on a rain slick road my car suddenly begins to swerve?" OR "What would I do, if I were to hit gravel and my car began to spin out?" OR "What would I do, if suddenly a car  stopped right in front of me?"  In other words, I purposely thought about the different road hazard situations which could occur -- and, prepared myself mentally to know what to do in such instances.

I can honestly tell you that, on a number of occasions, this has most likely saved my life.  Why?  Because, when I suddenly was in such a situation -- subconsciously I knew what to do -- and did it without having to think about it.

I vividly remember having a blowout at 70 mph in the fast lane of the Santa Ana (5) Freeway, at 2:00 in the afternoon.  I vividly remember the back tanker on a tandem tanker trunk suddenly breaking loose and jack knifing right in front of me on the 91 Freeway.  I recall suddenly coming up, at 75 mph, on a car on on the Northbound 405 Freeway right by LAX -- that had completely stopped in the fast lane -- to rubber neck something on the Southbound 405.  I can go on and on sharing such instances where being mentally prepared -- most likely saved my life.

My Friends, you can do the same to avoid using crude and offensive language -- by being mentally prepared with more civil words and phrases in your active vocabulary.  Is this so much to ask of anyone?

Jennifer, thank you for emphasizing that it is not only non-believers who misuse God's name in conversation.  I pray that our dialogue has opened a few eyes -- both Christian believers and non-believers -- and that we will eventually hear less and less of this offensive practice in our everyday lives.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

quote:    Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Bill, you stop saying "duh", and I'll stop with OMG. 


Hi Crusty,

 

I will not have to answer to God for saying, "Duh!"  

 

You most certainly WILL answer to God for taking His name in vain -- "OMG" or "Oh, my God!" 

 

Keep in mind -- we are talking about AFTER those six strong men carry you into church for the first time -- or, at least, for the first time in many, many years.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi to all my Forum Friends,
I have seen folks on the Religion Forum who tell us they are Christian.   Yet, they post derogatory names and comments against those with whom they disagree.  That is wrong!  And, especially if those folks truly are Christian -- and are calling others derogatory names.  We, as Christians, are called to set an example -- to show that we are Christ Followers.
Bill


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And yet, you do it all the time. When are you going to set that "Christ Followers" example?

Better get it done before those six strong men come after you.

quote: Originally Posted by Dwight WoolyBugger:

DUH,  GODS NAME IS NOT GOD!  GOD IS HIS TITLE!


Hi Dwight,

 

Well, don't stop there.  Give us a more detailed explanation of God's names and titles.   But, please, from the Bible -- not the Book of Mormon, or Qur'an, or any other "sacred" book.  I am very interested in knowing more.

 

Just who is God and is He preexisting?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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