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Weeeeeell, two possibilities.

1. We dead. No after life, no salvation, no heaven. End of contract. Universe terminated.

2. God 'picks' another woman in the whole world who He deems to be as 'perfect' for the role of Jesus' Mother as Mary. Which would be highly doubtful as He chose her in the first place. Result? See 1.

No scriptures, just a gut reaction. I'm sure a plethora of scriptures will follow , all perfectly 'interpreted' to support the poster own personal views. Smiler
Hi Willow,

God gave every person "free will" -- and He will not force anyone to do His will. If He will not force us to follow Him, which is the most important decision in our life -- we know He would not force any other decision upon us.

However, and this is the real kicker -- He is omniscient, meaning there is nothing He does not know -- from eternity past to eternity future. So, He foreknew that Mary would not say no -- just as He knew that Adam would disobey Him.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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So, He foreknew that Mary would not say no


Of course he did.
And so he prepared well, by allowing her to be sinless-conceived without sin. In order to be the perfect vessel in which to carry the baby Jesus.....
The point being, Mary had an integral role to play in our salvation.
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So, He foreknew that Mary would not say no


Of course he did.
And so he prepared well, by allowing her to be sinless-conceived without sin. In order to be the perfect vessel in which to carry the baby Jesus.....
The point being, Mary had an integral role to play in our salvation.

veep---I agree and the timing had to be just right. As in, ( would Jesus
have been put to death, given the same circumstances, in the year 2010 )?
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
God gave every person "free will" -- and He will not force anyone to do His will. If He will not force us to follow Him, which is the most important decision in our life -- we know He would not force any other decision upon us.

However, and this is the real kicker -- He is omniscient, meaning there is nothing He does not know -- from eternity past to eternity future. So, He foreknew that Mary would not say no -- just as He knew that Adam would disobey Him.

Of course he did. And so he prepared well, by allowing her to be sinless-conceived without sin. In order to be the perfect vessel in which to carry the baby Jesus..... The point being, Mary had an integral role to play in our salvation.

Hi VP,

And, ONCE AGAIN, I ask you -- show us that in Scripture. If you can show us, in the Bible, that Mary was sinless -- I will believe you.

Otherwise, you are blowing smoke -- and not even "holy smoke"! For Mary was not born sinless, Mary was conceived through the sexual relationship of her parents -- just like you and me, Mary was not sinless, and Mary died and went to heaven -- just like all Christian believers, all saints. And, she is there with the other billions of saints awaiting her immortal body -- which she will receive at the Rapture, along with all other Christian believers, i.e., saints.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
God gave every person "free will" -- and He will not force anyone to do His will. If He will not force us to follow Him, which is the most important decision in our life -- we know He would not force any other decision upon us.

However, and this is the real kicker -- He is omniscient, meaning there is nothing He does not know -- from eternity past to eternity future. So, He foreknew that Mary would not say no -- just as He knew that Adam would disobey Him.

Of course he did. And so he prepared well, by allowing her to be sinless-conceived without sin. In order to be the perfect vessel in which to carry the baby Jesus..... The point being, Mary had an integral role to play in our salvation.

Hi VP,

And, ONCE AGAIN, I ask you -- show us that in Scripture. If you can show us, in the Bible, that Mary was sinless -- I will believe you.

Otherwise, you are blowing smoke -- and not even "holy smoke"! For Mary was not born sinless, Mary was conceived through the sexual relationship of her parents -- just like you and me, Mary was not sinless, and Mary died and went to heaven -- just like all Christian believers, all saints. And, she is there with the other billions of saints awaiting her immortal body -- which she will receive at the Rapture, along with all other Christian believers, i.e., saints.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


ok.. correct me if i am wrong here....

lets say mary parents were both virgins.

lets say the first time they consummated their marriage they produced mary.

if their parents were not engaging in sin to produce mary, wouldn't thta make mary a sinless conception?

or are you goin to tell us that nookie is inherently sinful?

if that's is the case, then i'm going straight to hell, because my wife and i sin often.

and if that is a sin, then i welcome it, and have no remorse and ask for no redemption.

if your god seeks to punish us for expressing our love physically, then yours is a god i want nothing to do with.

the God i have faith in loves us, wants us to be happy, and that's one of the reasons He invented sex - to bring happiness to His creations.

you can have such a spiteful, hateful god. you're welcome to him.

i'll continue on with my God and continue to be happy.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bill Gray:
God gave every person "free will" -- and He will not force anyone to do His will. If He will not force us to follow Him, which is the most important decision in our life -- we know He would not force any other decision upon us.

However, and this is the real kicker -- He is omniscient, meaning there is nothing He does not know -- from eternity past to eternity future. So, He foreknew that Mary would not say no -- just as He knew that Adam would disobey Him.

Of course he did. And so he prepared well, by allowing her to be sinless-conceived without sin. In order to be the perfect vessel in which to carry the baby Jesus..... The point being, Mary had an integral role to play in our salvation.


ok.. correct me if i am wrong here....

lets say mary parents were both virgins.

lets say the first time they consummated their marriage they produced mary.

if their parents were not engaging in sin to produce mary, wouldn't thta make mary a sinless conception?

or are you goin to tell us that nookie is inherently sinful?

if that's is the case, then i'm going straight to hell, because my wife and i sin often.

and if that is a sin, then i welcome it, and have no remorse and ask for no redemption.

if your god seeks to punish us for expressing our love physically, then yours is a god i want nothing to do with.

the God i have faith in loves us, wants us to be happy, and that's one of the reasons He invented sex - to bring happiness to His creations.

you can have such a spiteful, hateful god. you're welcome to him.

i'll continue on with my God and continue to be happy.


nagel---- You are not wrong here. It's not inherently sinful. God
doesn't punish man and wife expressing their love for each other phsically.
If Marys parents are sinless doesn't make her sinless at birth. What will
let her be sinless is the Father would not allow his son ( God ) to enter
the womb stained with sin. It's logical with there is no sin in heaven
because of the presents of God. The words yours and ours don't pertain
to God if we are christians.
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if their parents were not engaging in sin to produce mary, wouldn't thta make mary a sinless conception?

or are you goin to tell us that nookie is inherently sinful?


Nagel, No..it doesn't mean that nookie is sinful. It means that the Holy Spirit intervened at the time of Mary's conception in HER mother's womb, in order to allow her to be a sinless vessel in which to carry the Christ Child.
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if their parents were not engaging in sin to produce mary, wouldn't thta make mary a sinless conception?

or are you goin to tell us that nookie is inherently sinful?


Nagel, No..it doesn't mean that nookie is sinful. It means that the Holy Spirit intervened at the time of Mary's conception in HER mother's womb, in order to allow her to be a sinless vessel in which to carry the Christ Child.


excellent.
cause otherwise i'm gonna burn, happily.

how could i ask forgivness for being in love with my wife? Smiler
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It means that the Holy Spirit intervened at the time of Mary's conception in HER mother's womb, in order to allow her to be a sinless vessel in which to carry the Christ Child.

Hi VP,

Please show us where we can find that in the Bible.

If you had been living during the time of Jesus earthly ministry -- you would have made the Pharisees very happy. For you would have followed their hundreds of man-written laws to the letter.

VP, forget man-written laws and traditions which are only meant to control the masses. The Bible is God's full revelation to all mankind to lead us to salvation and to guide us in our Christian walk.

We do not need world religion rituals and traditions. Under His grace, God has made salvation very available to all and very easy to gain -- we only have to sincerely believe and put our faith in Jesus Christ -- that is all.

There is no way that traditions and works can save anyone. There is only one way to salvation -- and that is through Jesus Christ -- alone. No other Way!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by vplee123:
It means that the Holy Spirit intervened at the time of Mary's conception in HER mother's womb, in order to allow her to be a sinless vessel in which to carry the Christ Child.


VP, forget man-written laws and traditions which are only meant to control the masses. The Bible is God's full revelation to all mankind to lead us to salvation and to guide us in our Christian walk.

We do not need world religion rituals and traditions. Under His grace, God has made salvation very available to all and very easy to gain -- we only have to sincerely believe and put our faith in Jesus Christ -- that is all.

There is no way that traditions and works can save anyone. There is only one way to salvation -- and that is through Jesus Christ -- alone. No other Way!



william graytooth- In the first 200 yrs. traditions were important to catholics.
Staying alive was hard to do as was documentation. It had to be well planned and concealed. You not only have to know for sure what you're doing
is right, but believe it to die for it. You can't fake it when it comes right
down to it. Traditions and good works are very much accepted by God and in no way
work against the church.
I just loved watching him on TV.

Bishop Sheen Explains the Immaculate Conception

Just suppose that you could have pre-existed your own mother, in much the same way that an artist pre-exists his painting. Furthermore, suppose that you had an infinite power to make your mother anything that you pleased, just as a great artist like Raphael has the power of realizing his artistic ideals. Suppose you had this double power, what kind of mother would you have made for yourself? Would you have made her of such a type that would make you blush because of her unwomanly and unmotherlike actions? Would you have in any way stained and soiled her with the selfishness that would make her unattractive not only to you, but to your fellow-man? Would you have made her exteriorly and interiorly of such a character as to make you ashamed of her, or would you have made her, so far as human beauty goes, the most beautiful woman in the world; and so far as beauty of the soul goes, one who would radiate every virtue, every manner of kindness and charity and loveliness; one who by the purity of her life and her mind and her heart would be an inspiration not only to you, but even to your fellow-men, so that all would look up to her as the very incarnation of what is best in motherhood?

Now, if you who are an imperfect being and who have not the most delicate conception of all that is fine in life would have wished for the loveliest of mothers, do you think that our Blessed Lord, who not only pre-existed His own mother, but who had an infinite power to make her just what He chose, would, in virtue of all the infinite delicacy of His spirit make her any less pure and loving and beautiful than you would have made your own mother? If you who hate selfishness, would have made her selfless, and you who hate ugliness, would have made her beautiful, do you not think that the Son of God who hates sin would have made His own mother sinless, and He who hates moral ugliness, would have made her immaculately beautiful?
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In the first 200 yrs. traditions were important to catholics. Staying alive was hard to do as was documentation. It had to be well planned and concealed. You not only have to know for sure what you're doing is right, but believe it to die for it. You can't fake it when it comes right down to it. Traditions and good works are very much accepted by God and in no way
work against the church.

Hi Child,

The Roman Catholic church began after 300 AD with Emperor Constantine. Before that it was just the Christian church -- and there were plenty of people writing and sharing documents.

That is how we have the 66 books of our Bible -- 27 which were written in the first 100 years AD.

So, sorry, my Friend, but your comments do not hold water -- especially holy water.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I just loved watching him on TV. Bishop Sheen Explains the Immaculate Conception

Hi B,

Who would have believed it? Can you imagine -- a Roman Catholic bishop supporting the Roman Catholic false teaching of the Immaculate Conception? Who would have thunk it? Duh!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Hi B50,

Not that it matters to you -- but, the Immaculate Conception, Mary's Assumption, Mother of God, Queen of Heaven, Co-Redeemer of mankind -- NONE of these are in the Bible.

Now, I wonder where the Roman Catholics could have come up with these doctrines? Well, just go back and study the Pharisees and you will find your answer -- man-made!

Personally, it does not matter to me who the Roman Catholics want to deify and worship. But, when they begin to post it on the Religion Forum as Biblical truths -- I have to refute those claims. They are not Biblical.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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If you were not so pig headed and actually read his comment you would see it makes sense. But I have come to realize that 'sense' is not one of your strong suits.

I WAS READING SHEEN BEFORE YOU WERE BORN!


So you're old, got a point?
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Originally posted by b50m:
If you were not so pig headed and actually read his comment you would see it makes sense. But I have come to realize that 'sense' is not one of your strong suits.

I WAS READING SHEEN BEFORE YOU WERE BORN!

So you're old, got a point?

Hi B,

Not old -- just mellow and mature. One day you, too, will achieve that -- I hope.

Is there a point -- yes, just look up -- and you will find my previous post where I elaborated upon teachings of the RC church.

By the way, from your previous posts, I would come to the conclusion that you are not Roman Catholic -- yet, you defend their teachings as though you were the Pope's mother. What gives?

You have mentioned New Age, Wiccan, and once in a while Christian -- which denomination do you follow, or which non-denomination? Do you really attend a church -- or is your religion based upon a "Let's Prove Bill Wrong!" theology -- practiced in your computer?

Just curious.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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The Roman Catholic church began after 300 AD with Emperor Constantine. Before that it was just the Christian church -- and there were plenty of people writing and sharing documents.

That is how we have the 66 books of our Bible -- 27 which were written in the first 100 years AD.

So, sorry, my Friend, but your comments do not hold water -- especially holy water.

bill

The first catholic pope is St. Peter. Catholic - Christian same thing.
The name catholic didn't come until app. 500 ad. Constantine, as you were told
before didn't start anything. The Catholic church closed the Bible with 73
books. The reason you don't know what you should is because you discarded
information you didn't like and/or too hard for you. God closed the bible
where he wanted it closed. If you think for one minute, he did all that he
did to have it wrong, then your wrong. The holy ghost would not let that
happen anyway. Who do think those christians for the first 300 years were?
Jesus taught his apostles the last supper. thats why it's
continued for the last 2010 years. Its in the new testament, look it up and then
tear it out. Maybe you didn't know, the catholic church assembled and closed the
bible by way of God. I'm sorry if you didn't that and I don't know why you would
now that I think about it.

All these comments are true. If you need to talk to a Phd, ask Scott Hahn.
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bill, The first catholic pope is St. Peter.

Hi Child,

Please show us the word "Pope" or "Bishop of Rome" in the Bible.

I read of the early church, in Act 2:41-42, "So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer."

Funny, I do not find a Pope there, or a Bishop. Nor do I find any mention of a Mass or any other rituals. All I see is the new "church" -- the body of Christ -- gathering for fellowship, teachings of the apostles, and being with like minded Christian believers.

Where do you find a Pope, Bishop, Mass, or any other pre-300 AD Roman Catholic doctrines in this?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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How Old Is Your Church?
If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.

If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.

If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.

If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.

If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.

If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.

If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.

If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.

If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.

If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," "Jehovah's Witnesses," your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.

If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.
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How Old Is Your Church? If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.

Hi VP,

Please show us the word "Pope" or "Bishop of Rome" in the Bible.

I read of the early church, in Act 2:41-42, "So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer."

Funny, I do not find a Pope there, or a Bishop. Nor do I find any mention of a Mass or any other rituals. All I see is the new "church" -- the body of Christ -- gathering for fellowship, teachings of the apostles, and being with like minded Christian believers.

Where do you find a Pope, Bishop, Mass, or any other pre-300 AD Roman Catholic doctrines in this?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Funny, I do not find a Pope there, or a Bishop. Nor do I find any mention of a Mass or any other rituals. All I see is the new "church" -- the body of Christ -- gathering for fellowship, teachings of the apostles, and being with like minded Christian believers.


Exactly. You see the teachings of the Apostles.
Tell me where you find the words
"love offering" or "pastor" or "sunday school"
or "music minister" or "offeratory plate"..

Good grief, you are grasping....
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Do you really attend a church -- or is your religion based upon a "Let's Prove Bill Wrong!" theology -- practiced in your computer?


Proving you wrong using facts and the Bible isn't hard Bill. You don't even know what doctrine you follow. You pick one from column A, two from B, three from C, and depend on a man that predicts the end of the world for your backup.

You have been shown scripture that supports other opinions only to turn it around and tell the poster something like , 'oh sorry that's not right because I know, I am spiritually aware and I know what each scripture means'.

Don't you find it amazing that there are so many Christian denominations and they all believe differently yet you alone Bill, you think you have the divine knowledge.
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Funny, I do not find a Pope there, or a Bishop. Nor do I find any mention of a Mass or any other rituals. All I see is the new "church" -- the body of Christ -- gathering for fellowship, teachings of the apostles, and being with like minded Christian believers.

Exactly. You see the teachings of the Apostles.
Tell me where you find the words
"love offering" or "pastor" or "sunday school"
or "music minister" or "offeratory plate"..

Good grief, you are grasping....

Hi VP,

True, the only one of those we will find in the Bible is the pastor/elder. All the others I can live without.

How about you? Can you live without your Pope, Mass, Mariology, and other false teachings?

Grasping? No! All I ask is that if you truly believe all those doctrines -- show us where to find them in the Bible. Sounds simple to me. If your faith, if your church -- is based upon the Christian faith -- you should be able to find it in the Bible.

If not, then, I suggest you look deeper into those doctrines you follow. Take an example from Acts 17:11 and test your teachers against Scripture. If you do -- you will find them seriously lacking.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Do you really attend a church -- or is your religion based upon a "Let's Prove Bill Wrong!" theology -- practiced in your computer?

Proving you wrong using facts and the Bible isn't hard Bill. You don't even know what doctrine you follow. You pick one from column A, two from B, three from C, and depend on a man that predicts the end of the world for your backup.

Well, my Friend,

So, far the only thing you have proved is that you love to argue. Let's get back to the church you attend. You slipped right past that.

Last week it was New Age and Wiccan -- what is it this week? You fight so diligently for the Roman Catholic doctrines -- I might believe you have converted.

So, what is it this week? New Age? Wiccan? Unitarian? Roman Catholic? Or, do you actually worship in any church? Maybe you just love to argue and there is no better place to argue than on a Religion Forum.

Here you can find all sorts of allies -- for the world is full of those who will defame Christianity. Yes, my Friend, you have a full team here pulling for you.

But, that is okay. I know I am on the Winning Team. As a matter of fact, our Leader has already won the war -- but, your leader is still fighting skirmishes.

Not a problem though -- my Leader will always welcome you if you ever decide to join the Winning Team.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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If you do -- you will find them seriously lacking.


Nope, found that they were quite sound. But thanks for the advice.
And I prefer to stick with the Apostles- the real "eye witnesses". Things, as you see, get all sorts of confusing the further one departs from Apostolic Teaching and Tradition. Did you read my timeline?

Could I live without the Pope? I don't know- every church needs a leader.
Could you live without your Pastor?
Could I live without the catechism? Nope, not well because then I would be floundering trying to "interpret" Scripture that has already been interpreted for me, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
The message gets distorted the further one diverts from the original Source.
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Here you can find all sorts of allies -- for the world is full of those who will defame Christianity. Yes, my Friend, you have a full team here pulling for you.


Seems to me Bill, that the only defaming has been from you on other Christian denominations.

You are fighting against your own team Bill. I am not atheist and have never said I was. I post scriptures and opinions of learned theologians who happen to be different faiths.

I think people have the right to believe as they feel is true to them.

You also have that right and you can post anything you want to, but when you demean others, don't expect anyone to listen to your words.

And Bill, 'friend' is a term of endearment. I am not your friend.
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If you do -- you will find them seriously lacking.

Nope, found that they were quite sound. But thanks for the advice. And I prefer to stick with the Apostles- the real "eye witnesses". Things, as you see, get all sorts of confusing the further one departs from Apostolic Teaching and Tradition. Did you read my timeline?

Could I live without the Pope? I don't know? Could you live without your Pastor?

Hi VP,

I do notice that, somehow, you left out the Bible. Freudian slip? Or, is the truth finally surfacing?

Could I live without my pastor? Sure, in the last 23 years I have had a number of pastors. I admire them all -- but, believe it or not -- not one single one is INFALLIBLE! Can you imagine that?

And, in 23 years I have never kissed the hand or ring of any pastor. Would you kiss the hand or ring of the Pope? A form of worship, right?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I do notice that, somehow, you left out the Bible. Freudian slip? Or, is the truth finally surfacing?


What truth would that be? My Bible is right beside me.
What are you implying Sir? What truth are you looking for? If you have found me to be in error or "lie" please show me concisely where-
Otherwise kindly leave your nasty insinuations to yourself.
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[QUOTE]If you do -- you will find them seriously lacking.

Nope, found that they were quite sound. But thanks for the advice. And I prefer to stick with the Apostles- the real "eye witnesses". Things, as you see, get all sorts of confusing the further one departs from Apostolic Teaching and Tradition. Did you read my timeline?

Could I live without the Pope? I don't know? Could you live without your Pastor?

Hi VP,

I do notice that, somehow, you left out the Bible. Freudian slip? Or, is the truth finally surfacing?

Could I live without my pastor? Sure, in the last 23 years I have had a number of pastors. I admire them all -- but, believe it or not -- not one single one is INFALLIBLE! Can you imagine that?

And, in 23 years I have never kissed the hand or ring of any pastor. Would you kiss the hand or ring of the Pope? A form of worship, right?


BILL, Bill, bill

A form of worship, right? Your brain washing has been a success. chuck smith has
your soul. The ring is the office. Do you know whats in the ring? Did you ever
wonder why Jesus organized his church the way he did from the beginning?
A life review will come immediately after death and I've got a lot
to answer for, but why I hate his church won't be one of them. and you?
I think some folks are having a problem separating YOUR church, and JESUS' church. "Religious gatherings" are flawed... Jesus is not. YOUR church may be a great church, but when man is in control, there will be flaws. Too ritualistic, too ceramonial, to emotional, too analytical...or not enough of some of these. Don't get so caught up in the earthly adaptation of church and focus on God's will for Jesus' church.
Oh.. and no where in the Bible does it say Mary was sinless... She found favor in God's eyes. That does not mean sinless.
David was called a man after God's own heart, yet he commited adultery and murder of the woman's husband.
Noah "found favor in God's eyes" and was ordained by God to carry on the human race after the flood...one of the first stories following the flood is of Noah getting drunk and passing out naked in his tent. Humans are flawed and make mistakes. But God sees the heart of the repentant man/woman and they are used to further His kingdom.
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Oh.. and no where in the Bible does it say Mary was sinless... She found favor in God's eyes. That does not mean sinless.
David was called a man after God's own heart, yet he commited adultery and murder of the woman's husband.
Noah "found favor in God's eyes" and was ordained by God to carry on the human race after the flood...one of the first stories following the flood is of Noah getting drunk and passing out naked in his tent. Humans are flawed and make mistakes. But God sees the heart of the repentant man/woman and they are used to further His kingdom.


------------OH GOOD LORD!!!--------

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