What's the difference between Fat and Gay Pastors

Can't tell....They're usually both.

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Originally posted by LoveShack:
Just wondering which sin is worse?

Hi Shack,

While I sense that your post is somewhat on the facetious side -- and that you are only attempting to bait a trap -- I will respond.

No where in the Bible will you find being over-weight called a sin. However, in both the Old Testament and the New Testament, you will find homosexuality most definitely described as a sin.

Consequently, you will most likely find a number of apparently healthy, portly Christians living happily in heaven -- but, you will have a very difficult (as in nil possibilities) of finding an openly, actively gay person, either clergy or lay person, in heaven.

If a gay person sincerly turns from that lifestyle and sincerely turns to follow Jesus Christ -- he/she will be saved and spend eternity in heaven with Jesus Christ.

If that person wants to be a Christian -- but, refuses to leave the God-condemned lifestyle -- there is no chance of that person being in heaven.

Okay, start throwing the rocks. But, keep in mind that I am not telling you Bill Gray's word; I am telling you what the Word of God tells us. Take it or leave it; but, in leaving it -- a person is also leaving the God who authored it.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

A true Rapture Ready Christian H*m*s*x**l (delicacy prevents our fairer readers from having to endure the offensive word) can, indeed, pray out the gay. Why can't a porcine true Rapture Ready Christian pray out the fat?

No faith! Not really rapture ready! No siree. It's there in the Bible, when Daniel wrote it on the wall, he was fooling with Nebuchawhoeverazzer when he said what he did about Mene Mene Tekel. I just got a special revelation from donating exactly $64.59 for some Perry Stoned Magic Manna.

Bill good answer and no I would never start throwing stones but others will..lol...Maybe I should have said a smoking pastor vs a gay pastor but any way you got my drift. Sins are sins, some pastors are gay, some are liars, some are murderers, some are adulters, and the list goes on. So why are some of these people truly saved and others are not?

We've all done bad things but if we go home ever night and continue to do them we probably shouldn't be pastors. I'm pretty sure if your pastor actively practices murdering people he/she is unqualified.

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Consequently, you will most likely find a number of apparently healthy, portly Christians living happily in heaven -- but, you will have a very difficult (as in nil possibilities) of finding an openly, actively gay person, either clergy or lay person, in heaven.

Why is it that when I read your posts....I always think that you feel you know so much more than the rest of us, and your answers are so definitive...what makes you so sure that you can answer questions that are, I feel, totally outside the human realm of comprehension. You cannot answer the above question...You are not capable of doing so...

Very...strange...Post...Love...
Food Poisoning?...Maybe?

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A true Rapture Ready Christian H*m*s*x**l (delicacy prevents our fairer readers from having to endure the offensive word) can, indeed, pray out the gay. Why can't a porcine true Rapture Ready Christian pray out the fat?

No faith! Not really rapture ready! No siree. It's there in the Bible, when Daniel wrote it on the wall, he was fooling with Nebuchawhoeverazzer when he said what he did about Mene Mene Tekel. I just got a special revelation from donating exactly $64.59 for some Perry Stoned Magic Manna.

Hah!
Now I know where those little "Sharpie" quotes originate from on WalMart bathroom stall doors!
Good reading...

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If that person wants to be a Christian -- but, refuses to leave the God-condemned lifestyle -- there is no chance of that person being in heaven.

Consequently, you will most likely find a number of apparently healthy, portly Christians living happily in heaven -- but, you will have a very difficult (as in nil possibilities) of finding an openly, actively gay person, either clergy or lay person, in heaven.



Uh-oh....what happened to "once saved always saved" that you cling to???? The person wants to be a Christian, thus we presume he/she has accepted Christ as Lord and Savior.Saved. Done.
I thought you said the promise is guaranteed? Iron clad. Never to be taken away? so now there is an exception? Is homosexuality the only exception to this rule? Ah, so SIN does take away the promise of salvation after all. There blows that theory of once saved, always saved..,
Ps- You could argue that being overweight is a sin- you're degrading your body- a temple of God. You know gluttony is a sin, and unfortunately, the 2 usually go hand in hand.....

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Originally posted by LoveShack:
Bill good answer and no I would never start throwing stones but others will..lol...Maybe I should have said a smoking pastor vs a gay pastor but any way you got my drift. Sins are sins, some pastors are gay, some are liars, some are murderers, some are adulters, and the list goes on. So why are some of these people truly saved and others are not?

Hi Shack,

You are very right that sin is sin -- there are no degrees of sin. Sin is disobedience to God -- period. We either hit the target or we miss; which is the meaning of sin, to miss the target, God's target.

And, while you list all the sins of pastors -- that list will be true of all people. Pastors are not immune to human frailties. They are just as human as you and me. But, they do carry a burden I am not sure I could handle; that of being the pastor, the shepherd, for God's local flock.

It is a good discussion. Thank you for starting it.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by vplee123:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Consequently, you will most likely find a number of apparently healthy, portly Christians living happily in heaven -- but, you will have a very difficult (as in nil possibilities) of finding an openly, actively gay person, either clergy or lay person, in heaven.

If a gay person sincerely turns from that lifestyle and sincerely turns to follow Jesus Christ -- he/she will be saved and spend eternity in heaven with Jesus Christ.

If that person wants to be a Christian -- but, refuses to leave the God-condemned lifestyle -- there is no chance of that person being in heaven.

Uh-oh....what happened to "once saved always saved" that you cling to? The person wants to be a Christian, thus we presume he/she has accepted Christ as Lord and Savior. Saved. Done.

I thought you said the promise is guaranteed? Iron clad. Never to be taken away? so now there is an exception? Is homosexuality the only exception to this rule? Ah, so SIN does take away the promise of salvation after all. There blows that theory of once saved, always saved..,

Ps- You could argue that being overweight is a sin- you're degrading your body- a temple of God. You know gluttony is a sin, and unfortunately, the 2 usually go hand in hand.....

Hi VP,

You seem to want to jump into the discussion, not to add to the dialogue, but to prove that Bill Gray is wrong! Welcome to the club!

Yes, I will say that the Bible teaches that "once saved, always saved." However, just because a person "wants" to be saved -- does not imply that this person has indeed invited Jesus Christ into his/her heart. For many years I wanted to be saved; yet, I did not commit my life to Jesus Christ until I was fifty years old. Why? Well, I wanted to do it on my terms, not God's terms. I wanted to be able to enjoy all my worldly pleasures, then go to church and be saved, and then back to my worldly pleasures.

What I felt I needed at that time was a church which would tell me that there is no hell. If there is no hell, why worry? I spent years searching -- and I found one. I found a chaplain from a major Christian denomination who assured me that hell was a myth. Praise the Lord -- and pass the booze and women. Now, I could have both. Wrong! And, that chaplain was wrong, also.

Jesus tell us, in Revelation 3:20, "'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if ANYONE hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me."

He is standing at the door of every heart, waiting to be invited in. Yet, on His side of he door, there is no doorknob. The door can only be opened from the inside -- by you and me. So, regardless of whether the person is heterosexual, homosexual, fat, thin, tall, short, white-black-brown-yellow-green -- until that person opens the door and invites Him in; He will stay outside.

Part of opening the door and inviting Him in -- is to clear the hedgerows, brush, and other debris which is cluttering the door of your heart. So, if a person is living a live of active sin against God; that door will not open. The person has to clear away the overgrown brush and hedgerows blocking his heart, i.e, repent, turn from your sinful lifestyle and turn to follow Jesus. Once you are ready to sincerely follow Him -- all that overgrown brush will go away. Then, you can open the door and invite your Lord and Savior to come into your life. A person still living the active lifestyle of a homosexual, a thief, an adulterer, etc. -- still has the door of their heart blocked and Jesus Christ cannot enter.

However, once you clear away the debris, the clutter, and open the door -- and He does come in, you are sealed for eternity by the Holy Spirit -- you belong to the Lord -- and no one or nothing can snatch you out of His hands (John 10:28-19). At this point, you are a Child of God -- and no one can take that away.

VP, you tell me, "You know gluttony is a sin."

That is true -- but, not all overweight problems are due to gluttonous eating. There are glandular and hormonal causes of obesity, also. So, would you say that a person who is overweight has lost their salvation? Let's not take our discussion into the realm of the foolish.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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You seem to want to jump into the discussion, not to add to the dialogue, but to prove that Bill Gray is wrong! Welcome to the club!

Um....I think I've added quite a lot to the dialogue, actually. I've learned quite a bit, and hopefully dispelled some myths about the Catholic faith. May I not jump into the discussion? May I not express my opinion? Did I need to wait for an invitation?? I believe this is a public forum...don't you want feedback?
PS- about the gluttony thing? I said "USUALLY". Yes, indeedy there are rare instances in which obesity is not a direct result of overeating...but we were talking about sin, not medical disorders!

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Originally posted by vplee123:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
You seem to want to jump into the discussion, not to add to the dialogue, but to prove that Bill Gray is wrong! Welcome to the club!

Um....I think I've added quite a lot to the dialogue, actually. I've learned quite a bit, and hopefully dispelled some myths about the Catholic faith. May I not jump into the discussion? May I not express my opinion? Did I need to wait for an invitation?? I believe this is a public forum...don't you want feedback?
PS- about the gluttony thing? I said "USUALLY". Yes, indeedy there are rare instances in which obesity is not a direct result of overeating... but we were talking about sin, not medical disorders!

Hi VP,

We are very happy you have joined the Religion Forum. It would be great to see our number of registered members double. The more input we have on issues; the more we all learn.

But, we, all of us, should stick to discussing the issues and not work on earning "Gotcha!" points.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by LoveShack:
Bill good answer and no I would never start throwing stones but others will..lol...Maybe I should have said a smoking pastor vs a gay pastor but any way you got my drift. Sins are sins, some pastors are gay, some are liars, some are murderers, some are adulters, and the list goes on. So why are some of these people truly saved and others are not?

None of these mentioned will be in Heaven.

1Cor 6:9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
1Cor 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God

Rev 21:8 But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

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But, we, all of us, should stick to discussing the issues and not work on earning "Gotcha!" points.

Ironic coming form you.

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What's the difference between Fat and Gay Pastors

In the eyes of the Lord? Not much, I presume but I'm not the Lord so I can't really say.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

I am telling you what the Word of God tells us. Take it or leave it

Bill

I will leave it. You believe in a sky fairy who knows all, yet you refuse to accept reality here on earth. For example, there are people who are born gay. Also, there are non-religious people have have exceptional morals, but you refuse to accept reality. Christians claim to be caring and loving, yet they try and repress entire classes of people, and spew hate in the name of the sky fairy. Yes, I opt for no sky fairy.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

But, we, all of us, should stick to discussing the issues and not work on earning "Gotcha!" points.


Bill

Coming from the guy who just pointlessly started a new "Gotcha" thread, specifically calling out another forum user.

http://forums.timesdaily.com/e...771054867/m/49010597

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Originally posted by LoveShack:
Bill good answer and no I would never start throwing stones but others will..lol...Maybe I should have said a smoking pastor vs a gay pastor but any way you got my drift. Sins are sins, some pastors are gay, some are liars, some are murderers, some are adulters, and the list goes on. So why are some of these people truly saved and others are not?

Where does it say in the bible that smoking is a sin?

fat pastors and gay pastors... they both like sausage?

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Originally posted by tcf531:
fat pastors and gay pastors... they both like sausage?

Oh that's sooo bad.... but funny.....ROFL

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Originally posted by ArtVandelay:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

I am telling you what the Word of God tells us. Take it or leave it. Bill

I will leave it. You believe in a sky fairy who knows all, yet you refuse to accept reality here on earth. For example, there are people who are born gay. Also, there are non-religious people have have exceptional morals, but you refuse to accept reality. Christians claim to be caring and loving, yet they try and repress entire classes of people, and spew hate in the name of the sky fairy. Yes, I opt for no sky fairy.

Hi Art,

You will find my response to this in the new discussion "Are Folks Born Gay? - And Do Morals Save Us?"

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by LoveShack:
Just wondering which sin is worse?

Fat is a demon that only goes by prayer and fasting.

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Originally posted by prince albert:

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Originally posted by LoveShack:
Bill good answer and no I would never start throwing stones but others will..lol...Maybe I should have said a smoking pastor vs a gay pastor but any way you got my drift. Sins are sins, some pastors are gay, some are liars, some are murderers, some are adulters, and the list goes on. So why are some of these people truly saved and others are not?

None of these mentioned will be in Heaven.

1Cor 6:9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
1Cor 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God

Rev 21:8 But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

True none will make it to heaven without the blood of Christ which covers all these sins.

the diff between a gay pastor and a fat pastor.

one of them likes to suck warm juice off of hot meat and the other goes out with men.

There is fat that isn't caused by gluttony or disease. A person can eat only appropriat portions of the best "healthy" foods there are and still be fat. It's tied to physical activity. 2000 calories in versus 500 out will cause you to get fat. It's really quite simple.
Gay pastor is an oxymoron.
Fat pastor is an oxy parson.

ROFLMAO
oxy parson

Obese people are food perverts.

Homosexuals are sex perverts.

Perversion is never good.

But you can't catch AIDS by bolting down too many Twinkies!

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Originally posted by beternU:
Obese people are food perverts.

Homosexuals are sex perverts.

Perversion is never good.

But you can't catch AIDS by bolting down too many Twinkies!

I SOOO wanted to say something in reference to the Twinkies, but I'll pass. Discretion is the better part of valor, after all.

Very good discussion here. Like someone said, -- Bill maybe -- that this provides us more Biblical education. Although I am a little afraid of laughing at the humor here (and IT IS quite humorous) for fear of being sacrilegious. I'm just thankful that our God has a sense of humor... He has to. Just look around.

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Originally posted by tinabeth:
Very good discussion here. Like someone said, -- Bill maybe -- that this provides us more Biblical education. Although I am a little afraid of laughing at the humor here (and IT IS quite humorous) for fear of being sacrilegious. I'm just thankful that our God has a sense of humor... He has to. Just look around.

Hi Tinabeth,

Yes, God surely has a good sense of humor. Instead of picking a young couple to have a child and birth the people who would become His chosen people, Israel -- He chose a couple who were nearly 100 years old -- Abraham and Sarah.

Instead of choosing a young couple to birth the man who would be the forerunner of His Son, Jesus Christ -- He chose an old couple, Zacharias and Elizabeth -- to bear the child who became John the Baptist.

And, in the mid-1980s, He took a clown, Bill Gray, who could not put two coherent sentences together -- and gave me the gift of writing -- years before I became a Christian believer and put it to use in His service. God truly knows us much better than we know ourselves.

Yes, our God has a wonderful sense of humor -- and we should be laughing and happy as we worship Him.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill