When Conservative Christians Vote - Liberal Progressives Lose!

Whatever y'all do, don't think that a Republican surge in November vindicates Gray's religious agenda.

It will be entirely economic, and y'all know it.


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Why are liberals afraid of Christian coalition influence? I could write a book complete with a multitude of provenance but I think I will let the posting of one of the fellow religious forum members attitudes speak for me:
I guess I'll have to stock up on my 'God hates homos' signs, take children away from godless heathens , institute only religious history in school, mandate a loooong prayer before every business meeting, make all politicians swear on a Bible and if they don't, hang 'em, scream for people to give me money so they can buy their way into heaven and pray for a nuke war so Jesus will come faster.

Granted, to be fair, I think she was being facetious, although her postings on the politics side make me question this, but this isn't too far from what you people actually believe. That is why I will never support any candidate of any party(or so-called "movement) that has a christian agenda.

Bravo, rocky! Welcome!

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Originally posted by rocky:
Why are liberals afraid of Christian coalition influence? I could write a book complete with a multitude of provenance but I think I will let the posting of one of the fellow religious forum members attitudes speak for me:
I guess I'll have to stock up on my 'God hates homos' signs, take children away from godless heathens , institute only religious history in school, mandate a loooong prayer before every business meeting, make all politicians swear on a Bible and if they don't, hang 'em, scream for people to give me money so they can buy their way into heaven and pray for a nuke war so Jesus will come faster.

Granted, to be fair, I think she was being facetious, although her postings on the politics side make me question this, but this isn't too far from what you people actually believe. That is why I will never support any candidate of any party(or so-called "movement) that has a christian agenda.

I honestly don't know ANY Christians who believe that way.... and that includes Bill. You are dreaming.

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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Bravo, rocky! Welcome!

rocky has the IQ of a house plant. Agreeing with him demeans you more than you know. I have him on ignore and have no intentions of removing that nice little ability.

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rocky has the IQ of a house plant.

Real "christian" of you b50m! Can't take the heat she leaves the kitchen! (Or in actuality, is GREAT at slurs and smear campaigns, not so great at debating)

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Originally posted by rocky:
Why are liberals afraid of Christian coalition influence?

The answer is quite simple: history. Religion and governments do not mix well.

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Originally posted by logical:

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Originally posted by rocky:
Why are liberals afraid of Christian coalition influence?

The answer is quite simple: history. Religion and governments do not mix well.

Hi Logical,

The two combined sure gave America a strong birth over 200 years ago! And, the country was doing fine -- until the cancers of liberalism, secularism, and atheism began to metastasize throughout America.

What the patient needs is a wee bit larger dose of Jesus Christ -- and weaning from Darwinitis.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by logical:

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Originally posted by rocky:
Why are liberals afraid of Christian coalition influence?

The answer is quite simple: history. Religion and governments do not mix well.

Hi Logical,

The two combined sure gave America a strong birth over 200 years ago! And, the country was doing fine -- until the cancers of liberalism, secularism, and atheism began to metastasize throughout America.

What the patient needs is a wee bit larger dose of Jesus Christ -- and weaning from Darwinitis.

Bill

logical,

Liberalism has already killed this country, flat line coming soon.

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Originally posted by INVICTUS:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by logical:

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Originally posted by rocky:
Why are liberals afraid of Christian coalition influence?

The answer is quite simple: history. Religion and governments do not mix well.

Hi Logical, The two combined sure gave America a strong birth over 200 years ago! And, the country was doing fine -- until the cancers of liberalism, secularism, and atheism began to metastasize throughout America.

What the patient needs is a wee bit larger dose of Jesus Christ -- and weaning from Darwinitis. Bill

logical, Liberalism has already killed this country, flat line coming soon.

Hi Vic,

Are you speaking of Liberal Politics, Liberal Christianity, or Liberal Religion? There is a major difference. Although, one can lump Liberal Christianity and Liberal Religion into one bag since they typically revolve around views of the Bible.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by INVICTUS:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by logical:

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Originally posted by rocky:
Why are liberals afraid of Christian coalition influence?

The answer is quite simple: history. Religion and governments do not mix well.

Hi Logical, The two combined sure gave America a strong birth over 200 years ago! And, the country was doing fine -- until the cancers of liberalism, secularism, and atheism began to metastasize throughout America.

What the patient needs is a wee bit larger dose of Jesus Christ -- and weaning from Darwinitis. Bill

logical, Liberalism has already killed this country, flat line coming soon.

Hi Vic,

Are you speaking of Liberal Politics, Liberal Christianity, or Liberal Religion? There is a major difference. Although, one can lump Liberal Christianity and Liberal Religion into one bag since they typically revolve around views of the Bible.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill.....Christianity and politics can't be liberal, not a good thing. Some what liberal
can be football and sex.(but not too liberal on the sex).

Really, In two years America has gone to the bottom of the barrel because of liberal politics.

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Originally posted by INVICTUS:
Bill.....Christianity and politics can't be liberal, not a good thing. Really, In two years America has gone to the bottom of the barrel because of liberal politics.

Hi Vic,

Are you saying that Christianity and politics CANNOT be liberal -- or that they SHOULD NOT be liberal.

As I believe you are suggesting -- since Obama moved into the White House -- America has gone into the Liberal Toilet.

But, on the Liberal Christianity, you defend the teachings, doctrines, and traditions of the Roman Catholic church -- and, these are liberal in that the Roman Catholic church does not view the Bible as the inspired, inerrant, literal Written Word of God.

And, that view of the Bible is the most basic dividing line between Liberal Theology and Conservative Theology.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by INVICTUS:
Bill.....Christianity and politics can't be liberal, not a good thing. Really, In two years America has gone to the bottom of the barrel because of liberal politics.

Hi Vic,

Are you saying that Christianity and politics CANNOT be liberal -- or that they SHOULD NOT be liberal.

As I believe you are suggesting -- since Obama moved into the White House -- America has gone into the Liberal Toilet.

But, on the Liberal Christianity, you defend the teachings, doctrines, and traditions of the Roman Catholic church -- and, these are liberal in that the Roman Catholic church does not view the Bible as the inspired, inerrant, literal Written Word of God.
And, that view of the Bible is the most basic dividing line between Liberal Theology and Conservative Theology.

Bill

Bill,,,,,The Catholic church knows for sure the Bible is the inspired,inerrant & literal
word of God.

I took this from my topic "Denominations"

That is why the catholic church teaches that the only "Tradition" we are
bound to accept is that produced by the apostles. The New Testament is the
book which says that the Apostlic docttine was not limited to the pages of
holy writ. 2 Thess 2:15 says that the Apostolic teaching came both in
"word of mouth" and "in letter,"and that we are obliged to hold to both.

So we have two sources, not one and that dictum is by the decree of
scripture. Then one must acknowledge that scripture never claims to be the
sole source or authority for what one is to believe. And knowing the other
source can never conflict with scripture, and neither will scripture conflict
conflict with the other source.

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Originally posted by INVICTUS:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by INVICTUS:
Bill.....Christianity and politics can't be liberal, not a good thing. Really, In two years America has gone to the bottom of the barrel because of liberal politics.

Hi Vic,

Are you saying that Christianity and politics CANNOT be liberal -- or that they SHOULD NOT be liberal.

As I believe you are suggesting -- since Obama moved into the White House -- America has gone into the Liberal Toilet.

But, on the Liberal Christianity, you defend the teachings, doctrines, and traditions of the Roman Catholic church -- and, these are liberal in that the Roman Catholic church does not view the Bible as the inspired, inerrant, literal Written Word of God.
And, that view of the Bible is the most basic dividing line between Liberal Theology and Conservative Theology.

Bill

Bill,,,,,The Catholic church knows for sure the Bible is the inspired,inerrant & literal word of God.

I took this from my topic "Denominations"

That is why the catholic church teaches that the only "Tradition" we are bound to accept is that produced by the apostles. The New Testament is the book which says that the Apostlic docttine was not limited to the pages of holy writ. 2 Thess 2:15 says that the Apostolic teaching came both in "word of mouth" and "in letter,"and that we are obliged to hold to both.

So we have two sources, not one and that dictum is by the decree of scripture. Then one must acknowledge that scripture never claims to be the sole source or authority for what one is to believe. And knowing the other source can never conflict with scripture, and neither will scripture conflict conflict with the other source.

Hi Vic,

So, what you are saying is that your church does see the Bible as being the inspired, inerrant, and literal Written Word of God -- BUT, it is not complete and needs your Traditions to complete it? Is that a good reading?

Don't you ever wonder why God would give us a "Partial Revelation" of His Word -- instead of putting it all in one revelation we call the Bible?

Is it that God could not finish the job -- so the Vatican must finish the job for Him?

Sounds like a partial God; if He could not finish the word He started. That is similar to what the Rev. Sun Myung Moon teaches in his Unification church -- that Jesus Christ was not able to finish His work on earth -- so, Moon and his wife were sent to finish the work He had begun.

Well, I guess my answer to both churches is -- my God is a big God! He needs no help in finishing what He has begun. And, when He tells me "ALL Scripture is inspired by God. . ." (2 Timothy 3:16) -- I take that to the bank, the bank of heaven.

That and Jesus' statement on the cross, "It is finished!" tells me that He has completed His work on earth and He has finished His revelation to man. There is nothing man can, or should, add to either.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Originally posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Vic,

So, what you are saying is that your church does see the Bible as being the inspired, inerrant, and literal Written Word of God BUT, it is not complete and needs your Traditions to complete it? Is that a good reading?

Don't you ever wonder why God would give us a "Partial Revelation" of His Word -- instead of putting it all in one revelation we call the Bible?

Is it that God could not finish the job -- so the Vatican must finish the job for Him?

Sounds like a partial God; if He could not finish the word He started. That is similar to what the Rev. Sun Myung Moon teaches in his Unification church -- that Jesus Christ was not able to finish His work on earth -- so, Moon and his wife were sent to finish the work He had begun.

Well, I guess my answer to both churches is -- my God is a big God! He needs no help in finishing what He has begun. And, when He tells me. ALL Scripture is inspired by God (2 Timothy 3:16) -- I take that to the bank, the bank of heaven.

That and Jesus' statement on the cross,"It is finished!" tells me that He has completed His work on earth and He has finished His revelation to man. There is nothing man can, or should, add to either.

Bill,

I have a complete Bible, Old Testament, Douay 1609 A.D. 46 Books
New Testament, Rheims 1582 A.D. 27 Books.

The protestants took books out of the Bible because they didn't
agree with what the Apostles said in the first place.

The Bible says there is "one Lord, one faith, one baptism." It says that in the context of an Apostle, St. Paul, who is writing to the Ephesian church, and this is the same St. Paul who was present in Acts 15 at the Council of Jerusalem in which a decision was made by one man (Peter) and which all the other Apostles, bishops and elders held as the final and definitive decision for all the Churches of that day. Peter made that decision by interpreting the Bible (that is, the Old Testament declared that men should be circumcised, but Peter interpreted that to be an obsolete Old Covenant teaching that no longer bound anyone, and he was right). He did the same kind of Bible interpretation in Acts 1:20 when they had to select the next Apostle to replace Judas. Peter interpreted Psalm 109:8 and Psalm 69:25 to teach that the office of the Apostle must be replaced. That was pretty amazing, since neither Psalm says anything about Judas or the office of Apostle, per se. When Peter made this interpretation, all the other Apostles submitted to it. And so it has been the same for 2000 years, without interruption.

We must arrive at the decision as to who is the true Church by other means. The way we do so is to examine what the early Church said about itself. What we find is that the Fathers (Polycarp, Ignatius, Irenaeus, Cyril, Ambrose, Augustine, et al) referred to "the Catholic Church," not the protestant church,as that which
came later in steady fashion, from the original Apostles. In fact, Polycarp knew John the Apostle. In other words, Bill , we have the pedigree, and we can prove it by historical records.