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Hi to my Forum Friends,

In the discussion which I began titled "An Open Letter From The Son Of Madalyn Murray O'Hair" -- my Friend, VP, tells me, "But I would really like an answer to the question -- WHO decides which parts of the 'literal' word of God is symbolic? When there is no mention of symbolism in the text. I am really trying to follow your logic. Help me understand."

Thank you, VP. That is a valid question -- and a very good question. Since we know the Bible is the Holy Spirit inspired (authored by God), inerrant (authored by God, and God does not make mistakes), literal (God says what He means, and means what He says) Written Word of God -- there must be a way to know when to read the Bible literally and when to apply symbolism and allegory to our interpretation. Yes, there is, my Friend.

When studying the Bible, first, as you begin your study, you interpret the Scripture passage or verse you are reading literally. If this fits, and, you can tell if it makes sense -- that is the proper interpretation. If not, then look at that same passage under the lens of symbolism or allegory. If symbolism is used; you will be able to find the meaning for that symbolism in other parts of the Bible. This may require some dedicated study -- but, then, you are studying God's Word to gain more knowledge from it; so, what's a wee bit more work -- when the rewards are so great?

An example: In Revelation 1:16 we read, "In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength."

And, this symbolism is explained in Revelation 1:20, "As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches."

Another example is found in Ezekiel 37:1-10 when the prophet Ezekiel is given a prophetic vision by God.

Ezekiel 37:1-3, "The hand of the LORD was upon me, and He brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me down in the middle of the valley; and it was full of bones. He caused me to pass among them round about, and behold, there were very many on the surface of the valley; and lo, they were very dry. He said to me, 'Son of man, can these bones live?" And I answered, "O Lord GOD, You know.'"

And, in Ezekiel 37:11 we find, "Then He said to me, "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel;. . ."

This passage is symbolic and allegorical -- and, at the same time, it is prophetic. It is prophesying about the future return of the nation so Israel -- which we have seen fulfilled in 1948, when the nation Israel returned to its homeland, the promised land given to Israel by God in the days of Moses and Joshua.

And, then we move on with Israel to the End Times, the seven year Tribulation, which is decreed by God as the time of refining for His chosen people, Israel. In the Tribulation, a remnant of Israel will come to faith in their Messiah, Jesus Christ -- and God will bring them through the times of trial, Jacob's Trouble, the Tribulation.

In Isaiah 10:20-23, we find, "Now in that day the remnant of Israel, and those of the house of Jacob who have escaped, will never again rely on the one who struck them (the Antichrist), but will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel. A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God. For though your people, O Israel, may be like the sand of the sea, Only a remnant within them will return; A destruction is determined, overflowing with righteousness. For a complete destruction, one that is decreed, the Lord GOD of hosts will execute in the midst of the whole land."

This passage, while, at first, seeming to be symbolic, is truly to be read literally. God is going to put the nation Israel, and with them the Gentile nations, through a time of Tribulation. And, in this horrible seven year Tribulation, only a remnant of Israel will accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah and be saved. Although the Tribulation is not for the Gentile nations; many Gentiles will also be saved during the Tribulation. All others will perish with the Antichrist.

In Daniel 9:27, we read, "And he (the Antichrist) will make a firm covenant with the many (Israel) for one week (seven years), but in the middle of the week (3 1/2 years) he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

This passage uses symbolic language and is verified by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24.

In Matthew 24:15, we are told by Jesus Christ, "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand)." Here, Jesus Christ is referring to Daniel 9:27, the "abominations will come one who makes desolate."

This passage should be read literally; the Temple will be made desolate by the Antichrist at the midpoint of the seven year Tribulation.

The seven year Tribulation, the Time of Jacob's Trouble, will begin when the Antichrist signs a peace covenant with the nation Israel (Daniel 9:27). This will occur after the church has been raptured out of the world (1 Corinthians 15:50-53, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).

During the first 3 1/2 years there will be an unusual peace, or seeming peace, throughout the world. The Antichrist will somehow be able to bring the Jews and the Muslims together in an agreement which will allow the Jewish Temple to be rebuilt on the Temple Mount, where the large Islamic mosque now stands. It most likely will not replace the mosque; but, will share the Temple Mount with the mosque.

But, Israel will have her Temple once more and will be offering sacrifices to God in the newly rebuilt temple. However, in the middle of the seven years, after 42 months, the Antichrist will begin to show his true evil personality. It is my belief that this is the time when Satan actually enters and possesses the body of the Antichrist and all his evil is brought to the surface.

At this time, he will enter the Temple and declare himself to be God and demand worship. This is the "abomination of desolation" -- the "abominations will come one who makes desolate" spoken of in Daniel and by Jesus Christ.

This is the beginning of the Great Tribulation, the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation. From that midpoint on, the Antichrist will do everything in his power to completely destroy the nation Israel.

VP, do you see that so much of the Bible can be read literally -- and when He does use symbolism, He will give us an interpretation. He is not a God of confusion; He is not trying to hide His plan of salvation from us. He has given us His complete plan for our salvation and He has given us the Complete Christian User's Manual for living the Christian life. Believe me, there are no "trick questions" in the Bible. God says what He means -- and He means what He says!

And, that is the truth.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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No one cares, Bill.

The answer you should have posted to this subject is:

" The bible means what i say it means, so just listen to my word and you'll be fine."

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God says what He means -- and He means what He says!


sorry.. but isn't this whole post about you "interpreting' God's word for us?

and then you tell us that He means what He says.

interesting.
Actually, thenagel, some people do care. Those who don't do not have to read Bill's post. Some who do read his post do so for the sole purpose to try to discredit God's Word. Sort of like killing the messenger when one doesn't like the message.

I do not always agree with Bill's view but I do respect him for referenceing scripture that he bases his beliefs upon. I do not nor do I believe anyone should base their beliefs upon only one man's interpretation of the Bible. One should always study for oneself using many references.

It is a shame that there are those who use Bill to mock God's Word.
Making a determination of what's literal and what's symbolic is part of what is called rightly dividing the word of truth. When the Bible says that Jesus is the stone that the builders rejected it does not literally mean he is a rock. This is easy to pick out but prophecy which is largely symbolic is more open to interpretation. Many people dedicate their lives to studying prophecy and still don't have all the answers.

I prefer to focus on the gospels, the epistles and the Old Testament. Whatever the future holds God will work out.
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Originally posted by thenagel:
No one cares, Bill.

The answer you should have posted to this subject is:

" The bible means what i say it means, so just listen to my word and you'll be fine."

quote:

God says what He means -- and He means what He says!


sorry.. but isn't this whole post about you "interpreting' God's word for us?

and then you tell us that He means what He says.

interesting.


Speak for yourself Nagel.
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Originally posted by thenagel:
No one cares, Bill.

The answer you should have posted to this subject is:

" The bible means what i say it means, so just listen to my word and you'll be fine."

quote:

God says what He means -- and He means what He says!


sorry.. but isn't this whole post about you "interpreting' God's word for us?

and then you tell us that He means what He says.

interesting.


I care, thenagel should speak for herself. Often I vehemently disagree with Bill, sometimes I get a bit aggravated with him when he seems to think I am asking a question instead of making a statement but at the same time I do enjoy reading his posts and debating back and forth on points we do not agree on. One set of facts that he and I seem to agree on is that there is one God, Jesus died for our sins, and that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant, literal written Word of God. Past that there is a lot that is debatable but it's a good start.
OK, BFRED i agree with you on all points.
Now, Bill.
I will give you 2 examples of scripture which you do NOT take literally. Can you kindly explain what signs are given to indicate that they are not to be taken literally?

1. 'Not all who say to me "Lord" shall enter Heaven. '

2. "This is my Body, which has been given up for you....Take this and eat it, DO THIS in remembrance of me".

excuse the paraphrasing, but I am quite sure you know the passages.

Thanks.
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Originally posted by BFred07:
I care, thenagel should speak for herself. Often I vehemently disagree with Bill, sometimes I get a bit aggravated with him when he seems to think I am asking a question instead of making a statement but at the same time I do enjoy reading his posts and debating back and forth on points we do not agree on. One set of facts that he and I seem to agree on is that there is one God, Jesus died for our sins, and that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant, literal written Word of God. Past that there is a lot that is debatable but it's a good start.

Hi BFred,

If I, at times, misunderstand your comments to be questions; please forgive me. It is not intentional; nor am I trying to misrepresent you.

You are right that we do agree on the main doctrinal issues -- and the areas where we may disagree make for good dialogue which can only benefit us -- and, hopefully, those who read out discussions.

Let's keep talking about and studying God's Word -- until He returns.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Shoals Resident:
Actually, thenagel, some people do care. Those who don't do not have to read Bill's post. Some who do read his post do so for the sole purpose to try to discredit God's Word. Sort of like killing the messenger when one doesn't like the message.

I do not always agree with Bill's view but I do respect him for referenceing scripture that he bases his beliefs upon. I do not nor do I believe anyone should base their beliefs upon only one man's interpretation of the Bible. One should always study for oneself using many references.

It is a shame that there are those who use Bill to mock God's Word.

Hi Shoals,

You are so right that we should not blindly accept the Biblical teachings of anyone, regardless of his/her credentials. We should ALWAYS do as the apostle Paul tells us in Acts 17:11 -- test the teaching against Scripture. While mortal teachers can be wrong at times; God's Word is NEVER wrong.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Hi Tigrtrek,

You tell us, "Making a determination of what's literal and what's symbolic is part of what is called rightly dividing the word of truth. When the Bible says that Jesus is the stone that the builders rejected it does not literally mean he is a rock. This is easy to pick out, but prophecy, which is largely symbolic, is more open to interpretation.

Many people dedicate their lives to studying prophecy and still don't have all the answers. I prefer to focus on the Gospels, the Epistles and the Old Testament. Whatever the future holds God will work out."


That is a good example of Biblical allegory -- Jesus the Rock. Thank you.

Like you, I enjoy the Gospels, Epistles, and the Old Testament. However, since about 30% of the Bible is prophecy -- how can we not focus on this? True, many people spend their lives studying prophecy -- but, that does not mean that we lay people should not also study it.

Often times, the Holy Spirit will give us a special insight when studying His Word. I remember, about twenty years ago, when I first began to study the End Times prophecies -- I was totally confused about who would be in the Millennial Kingdom and where would Satan, who had been locked in the abyss for one thousand years, raise his large army of non-believers to do battle against Jesus Christ and the holy city, Jerusalem.

One afternoon, as I was driving home from work, I was sitting at a traffic light. My mind was on the traffic light and getting home; not on the book of Revelation or even the Bible. Yet, all of a sudden, a thought came into my mind: When Jesus Christ returns at the end of the seven year Tribulation -- even though many, many people will have been killed by the Antichrist -- there will be many people who have survived the horrible Tribulation. This group will consist of both believers and non-believers.

These people will stand in judgment before Jesus Christ -- the Sheep and Goat Judgment found in Matthew 25:31-46 for the Gentile nations, and the Judgment of Israel found in Ezekiel 20:32-38 for the Jews. Those who are not believers will "go away into eternal punishment" (Matthew 25:46). To those who are believers, He will say, "Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you. . ." (Matthew 25:34). That kingdom is His Millennial Kingdom -- and, later, the eternal kingdom.

And, to the Jews, He will say, "'And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will enter into judgment with you face to face. As I entered into judgment with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will enter into judgment with you,' declares the Lord GOD. 'I will make you pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant'" (Ezekiel 20:35-37)

This will be the remnant of Israel, His chosen people, who, with the believers from the Sheep and Goat Judgment, will enter the Millennial Kingdom, God's Kingdom on earth, in their mortal bodies.

So, the inhabitants of the Millennial Kingdom, ruled by Jesus Christ from the throne of David in Jerusalem, will consist of the Raptured church and the Old Testament saints in our immortal bodies -- and the believers who survive the Tribulation, both Jew and Gentile, in their mortal bodies. Those in their mortal bodies will continue to marry and bear children.

During the Millennial Kingdom, Satan will be locked in the abyss, so his demonic temptations will not exist on earth for that one thousand years. Those who enter the Millennial Kingdom will be believers. Yet, they and those born during the Millennial Kingdom will still bear the sin curse of Adam, they will have the Adamic sin nature curse. Only death or the Rapture can remove this curse.

And, having this sin nature -- the only way to have eternal salvation is still through Jesus Christ. Keep in mind -- He is the ONLY Way to God the Father. So, the people born during the Millennial Kingdom will still have to confess Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior to be saved.

Even though the Satanic influence has been removed for one thousand years; there will still be people born during this time who will, for whatever reason, not invite Jesus Christ to be their Lord and Savior. These people will not be causing death and destruction as we have on earth today -- for Jesus Christ will be the ruler of this world. Yet, some will choose not to follow Him and will not receive His imputed righteousness.

When Satan is released from the abyss after one thousand years; these people who have not made a commitment to Jesus Christ will be easy prey for him, as he lures them into his army. This is the army which will come against Jesus Christ and the holy city at the end of the Millennial Kingdom -- and they will all be supernaturally destroyed (Revelation 20:7-10).

Now, did the Holy Spirit reveal all this to me that day as I sat at the traffic light? No. He revealed to me about the people, the Tribulation survivors, who will enter the Millennial Kingdom in their mortal bodies. This so piqued my interest that I began my study of the End Times and Revelation in earnest.

And, over the years, layer after layer has been peeled back, as the Holy Spirit revealed to me more and more knowledge of the End Times. You might say that, although I had already been studying End Times prophecy -- that traffic light revelation birthed my desire to really understand End Time prophecy.

Another example of the Holy Spirit leading as we study Scripture: For years I had tried to read the book of Job -- and could not get past chapter one. One evening I was sitting on my patio studying the book of John. A cross reference sent me to Job 42:10, "The LORD restored the fortunes of Job when he prayed for his friends, and the LORD increased all that Job had twofold."

Once again, my interest was piqued -- and I began to read Job. For whatever reason, that night reading Job was as easy as reading an interesting novel -- it just flowed. That night I read and had a fairly good understanding of the book of Job -- and have since led a Bible study on it. Who or what led me to Job 42:10 that night? The Holy Spirit, of course.

John 14:26, "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you."

Tigr, no part of the Bible is insignificant; but, most especially not God's revelations which He sends to us through His prophecies. Do not neglect 30% of His Written Word.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by thenagel:
No one cares, Bill.

The answer you should have posted to this subject is:

" The bible means what i say it means, so just listen to my word and you'll be fine."

quote:

God says what He means -- and He means what He says!


sorry.. but isn't this whole post about you "interpreting' God's word for us?

and then you tell us that He means what He says.

interesting.


Speak for yourself Nagel.


i was. i cannot speak for anyone else.
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Originally posted by BFred07:
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Originally posted by thenagel:
No one cares, Bill.

The answer you should have posted to this subject is:

" The bible means what i say it means, so just listen to my word and you'll be fine."

quote:

God says what He means -- and He means what He says!


sorry.. but isn't this whole post about you "interpreting' God's word for us?

and then you tell us that He means what He says.

interesting.


I care, thenagel should speak for herself.


Himself, and i do. how can i speak for you? or vplee?
i don't.


Often I vehemently disagree with Bill, sometimes I get a bit aggravated with him when he seems to think I am asking a question instead of making a statement but at the same time I do enjoy reading his posts and debating back and forth on points we do not agree on. [/QUOTE]

i did too, until very recently.
it became clear to me that under no circumstances was i, or anyone else, having a discussion or debate with Bill.

the purpose of debate and discussion is to trade ideas, and to cause people to at least consider something different than that which they have always believe. to trade and share ideas and thoughts.

Bill doesn't do that. the only reason he pays attention to anything any of us say is to make sure he has a refute ready. bill isn't interested in sharing ideas and thoughts, or trying to see someone elses point, whether he agrees with it or not.
there are several points bill has made, and they did make me think.. at the very least they made me understand his point, even though i felt him to be amazingly wrong the majority of the time
he doesn't even bother to try. his belief has been laquered down and set in layers of reinforced concrete, and he can't even entertain the idea of trying to see through someone elses eyes.

so i've given up trying to " talk " to him, since he has no interesting in being in a conversation with me. all he wishes to do is talk AT people, not to them, or with them.
bullheaded closed mindedness.

if it were possible to turn me away from christ, bill would be the one to do it. he could drive a 20 year sober junkie back to heroin.
Fortunatly for me, my faith in god is stronger than bill's flappin lips.

since it's not possible to have a discussion wiht bill, to SHARE in ideas and thought, i've quit trying, and will instead poke fun at him for my own amusement.

If something i say implies that i am speaking for anyone but myself, then i apologize before hand, because it is not my intention to do so.
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Originally posted by Shoals Resident:
Actually, thenagel, some people do care. Those who don't do not have to read Bill's post. Some who do read his post do so for the sole purpose to try to discredit God's Word. Sort of like killing the messenger when one doesn't like the message.

I do not always agree with Bill's view but I do respect him for referenceing scripture that he bases his beliefs upon.


i did respect him, once, for a little while. he's since shown me there is little there worthy of it.
My momma taught me tha trespect was earned, not given. bill earned a little, but as time went on lost it all throught his <ahem> gift
of the written word.

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It is a shame that there are those who use Bill to mock God's Word.


but i do not.
i use god's word to mock bill. completely a different thing.
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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
Does anyone here understand the MEANING of literal or inspired?

Here I will help....

Literal-without interpretation or embellishment; "a literal depiction of the scene before him"

Inspired-prompt: serve as the inciting cause of


that's been a point of mine, now and earlier.
that was the basis for my initial reply to bill.
how can it be the literal word of god, if some of it requires interpretation?
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I do not always agree with Bill's view but I do respect him for referenceing scripture that he bases his beliefs upon.



SR, I'm not just being a contrarian here, but why do you think that referencing scripture is in any way a valid path to reality?

All scriptures are written by people. The same people who made up the gods that correspond with the scriptures.

God comes from scriptures that reveal God who wrote the scriptures that reveal God who wrote the scriptures that reveal God who wrote the scriptures that reveal God who wrote the scriptures.

Dozens of major worldwide religions have scriptures. What makes yours correct?

BL
When Bill sticks with scripture, he often has a good point to make. Sometimes I don't agree with his interpretation, but I believe the Holy Spirit guides my understanding, and his too. There are often many different things being said at once in any given passage, and while all the things are true, sometimes a certain portion of that truth is what I (or Bill) needs to think about. No problem so far.

It is when Bill gets into his POLITICS, trying to either use scripture to back his beliefs, or even worse, when he gets false or misleading things off of some fringe website (Girlscouts, Bill) and tries to twist scripture in such a way that it backs his statements, that I have a problem with him.

And THAT is when I believe he is in danger of turning people AWAY from God. And THAT is why I call him out.
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Originally posted by vplee123:
Still awaiting the response for my 2 quoted scripture passages...........


Don't hold your breath. Liar Bill ignored your question, preferring instead to embark on yet another blithering dissertation on his fanciful, fantastic, fictional notions of the "end times," rapture, tribulation and all the other premillennialist tripe that seems to have irremediably infested his gullible mind.
So Bill-
You started this new thread based on a question I posed to you.
I have thus cited 2 scriptures, asking you to tell me on what grounds you decided that they were not to be taken literally. Please answer the question.....otherwise I will assume that you are "stumped". thanks.
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So Bill-
You started this new thread based on a question I posed to you. I have thus cited 2 scriptures, asking you to tell me on what grounds you decided that they were not to be taken literally. Please answer the question.....otherwise I will assume that you are "stumped". thanks.

Hi VP,

I'll make you a deal. YOU tell us how you interpret them -- and I will let you know if you are right or wrong.

Sounds like a winner to me!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I will let you know if you are right or wrong.


No, Sir. You do not have the authority to declarre my interpretation of scripture to be right or wrong.
Sorry, no deal. But good try. Why don't you just answer the question? Do you not have an answer?


tho i can't say his answer surprises me much lol
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I will let you know if you are right or wrong.


No, Sir. You do not have the authority to declarre my interpretation of scripture to be right or wrong.
Sorry, no deal. But good try. Why don't you just answer the question? Do you not have an answer?


**** well said, sir! Well said!

Let no one speak to you in that tone of voice! You need not take it!

Bravo!


BL
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

Hi BFred,

If I, at times, misunderstand your comments to be questions; please forgive me. It is not intentional; nor am I trying to misrepresent you.

You are right that we do agree on the main doctrinal issues -- and the areas where we may disagree make for good dialogue which can only benefit us -- and, hopefully, those who read out discussions.

Let's keep talking about and studying God's Word -- until He returns.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


It's no problem, actually it is juvenile of me to get aggravated over such small things.

Just wanted to make that you knew that whether or not I always agree with you that I do appreciate your posts.
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I will let you know if you are right or wrong.

No, Sir. You do not have the authority to declarre my interpretation of scripture to be right or wrong. Sorry, no deal. But good try. Why don't you just answer the question? Do you not have an answer?

Hi VP,

I was just joshing you. Of course, you believe the way you have learned; and I believe what I have learned from studying God's Word.

But, we sure gave the atheists the "giggles" -- I bet old Deep ran for his Richard Dawkins picture just to pray.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I will let you know if you are right or wrong.

No, Sir. You do not have the authority to declarre my interpretation of scripture to be right or wrong. Sorry, no deal. But good try. Why don't you just answer the question? Do you not have an answer?

Hi VP,

I was just joshing you. Of course, you believe the way you have learned; and I believe what I have learned from studying God's Word.

But, we sure gave the atheists the "giggles" -- I bet old Deep ran for his Richard Dawkins picture just to pray.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


What is your obsession with Richard Dawkins? I don't know any atheist that prays to anything or anyone. No prayer to a make believe spirit or a living person is part of being atheist. Its the exact opposite of what you say atheist do.

Agreeing with someone on an idea is not worshiping that person. Oh wait....maybe that explains why you feel the need for everyone to agree with you. You think that is a form of worship!

I think I understand you a little better now.


We are all still waiting for you to answer veeps question. You started this thread (as you do most) now explain how you decide what you believe is literal and what is symbolic.

I bless you, have a nice day.
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We are all still waiting for you to answer veeps question. You started this thread (as you do most) now explain how you decide what you believe is literal and what is symbolic.

I bless you, have a nice day.

Hi Jan,

Doesn't the suspense just kill you? But, the more you wait -- the more eager you will be to read it -- the more you will enjoy it. See, I am only trying to make it all better for you.

Y'all come back now, ya heah?

Bill

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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
We are all still waiting for you to answer veeps question. You started this thread (as you do most) now explain how you decide what you believe is literal and what is symbolic.

I bless you, have a nice day.

Hi Jan,

Doesn't the suspense just kill you? But, the more you wait -- the more eager you will be to read it -- the more you will enjoy it. See, I am only trying to make it all better for you.


Well, this must be some answer to 2 quite simple questions.
Bill?? --ill? --ill?????? (echo)
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
We are all still waiting for you to answer veeps question. You started this thread (as you do most) now explain how you decide what you believe is literal and what is symbolic.

I bless you, have a nice day.

Hi Jan,

Doesn't the suspense just kill you? But, the more you wait -- the more eager you will be to read it -- the more you will enjoy it. See, I am only trying to make it all better for you.

Y'all come back now, ya heah?

Bill



Don't waste your time trying to make it "better" for me. I don't believe any of it anyway. However I would think you would want to explain it to those that are here truly searching for answers about god. Isn't that why you say you come to this forum. Have you forgotten your agenda?

I bless you, have a wonderful day
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Hey Bill

I come from a small church that has been blessed with some strong Bible teachers and pastors. However, a lot of times prophecy seems like all they want to discuss. Also we have been in a fairly long Sunday School series on The Revelation. Maybe I'm just a little burnt out.

Hi Tigr,

Yes, that can happen. But, I guess I find prophecy to be so interesting that I seldom tire of studying it.

I have a book "Expository Sermons on Revelation" by Dr. W. A. Criswell. In the Baptist church in Dallas where he pastored so long, he preached a series of sermons straight through the book of Revelation. These sermons were transcribed and published in a book which is almost 2 inches thick. I would have loved to have heard these sermons in person.

I guess you can look at the Bible as where we came from, where we are today -- and where we are going tomorrow. That tomorrow is prophecy -- and that is why it is so interesting to many folks.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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