Where is the OUTRAGE!!!!

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Originally posted by AlabamaSon:
For example, we probably won't see the waste of federal funds when people took advantage of government assistance as a few did.

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Click on the video on the right or read the article.

Thanks Flo. This may illustrate why nobody feels sorry for those 'poor homeless people' any more.



That may be hard for them to accomplish. Lilly and Joe appear to spend more time enjoying the nice breeze and washing down a cold one than looking for an apartment.

"I haven't really went to put in any applications."

Meanwhile, Lily's rung a bill with FEMA and American taxpayers of close to $7,000. But while you may think these storm victims have it made with free room and board...think again.

"It's frustrating because I don't want to be here."

Storm victim Tracey Johnson lives down the road at the Jubilee Inn. She's still trying to find a job. And adding to her struggle...

"The food we have catered is like dog food. That's no lie. It's horrible."

Down the hall...Hurricane victim Don Abad says he doesn't like the free food either.

"It's terrible."

But that food... Terrible as it may be.. Is not cheap. As taxpayers, we've doled out nearly $3 million dollars to feed Mississippi storm victims living in these hotels...which, by the way, cost taxpayers nearly ten million dollars. We brought this issue to the national head of FEMA - David Paulison. He replaced Mike Brown, the man who for many has become the poster child for FEMA mismanagement.

When asked when the assistance stops, Paulison replied, "That's a tough call. What we don't want to do is kick people out on the street. There's simply not a lot of affordable housing left after the storm. So we're trying. It will come to an end. It has to come to an end."

Paulison doesn't agree that FEMA has become a welfare agency, but admits there are storm victims who -- three years later -- are still dependent on Uncle Sam. But how long will taxpayers be willing to foot the bill?

We know it's cost about $10 million dollars for this hotel assistance, so far. The number we can't show you is how much in the end taxpayers will have spent on this. FEMA says hotel and meal assistance will stop in march of next year.

Good example of waste. Now here is where I would say there has to be a limit. I am a strong proponent of workfare rather than welfare. I recognize there are some who can't work, but that number is very small. Most people can do something. In the example cited here the minute these folks say they don't want to go look for a job is the minute the handouts end (my opinion of course, because it isn't reality).

Agreed Alason.
Any one can get a job, it may not pay $100,000, but it pays.

Why hasn't Obama visited the area? He could help pass out generators and hot food like President Bush did. NO, he's too busy chilling the beer for this afternoon's Super Bowl Party! Heck, he hasn't even flown over the area! Better not hear ONE MORE WORD about how President Bush screwed up on Katrina!

Do you remember when Pres Bush visited the area? How long after the storm was it? I believe 18 days (not sure though but close to it)

You seem to have an issue with anything the Pres does. If he was there on day one you would still find something else to complain about. Did you bash Pres Bush for taking so long to get to New Orleans and the Gulf?

Why dont you lead by example and go and lend a hand?

Uhh, Uhh, 2 days!

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Uhh, Uhh, 2 days!

Oh here you go with those nasty old facts.

Ok, he flew over after his vacation. The point I was making is that no one should hold this President to a higher standard. While this is a tragedy it is not near the same level as the hurricane, and we all know that. Does the Pres go to every scene in this country. No, they never have and they never will. So please stop the bs.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy, Bush even breathed wrong for some, yet Obama can stimulate nothing but PORK and be praised.

With all the BS going on on this thread trying to denigrate Obama, and compare him with Bush, what has been left out is the reason for the dissatisfaction with Bush on Katrina. It was NOT that fact that Bush did not make the declaration in a timely manner, that he did. The problem with Katrina was that the person heading the relief effort was in way over his head. Bush made his appointments based upon cronyism and not on ability.
Brown may have been a great horse judge, but he did not have the ability to manage a major event. His appointment was Bush's to make, and he did not choose to appoint a qualified person. He had also moved FEMA out from the Presidental office and put it under DHS. The verdict is still out on whether this made much of a difference, but it did not give FEMA personal access to the president, who was flying around out West cutting cake with John McCain and pushing his plan to privatize Social Security.
Incompetence of the management staff appointed by Bush was the problem.
We are yet to see how Obama's leaders perform. Maybe, their performance should be judged after the fact on this storm, and not during it. My bet is that if his management team screws this up, they will be out of there.

Interesting, I never seen MSNBC report it that way, matter of fact I don't recall a single article or newsroom reporting your version. All the lunatic left media just seemed to call him a moron or an idiot.

One question, if those in NOLA wanted help, why was so much gun fire directed towards the one's trying to help?

You still got your stab in, Bush and McCain were cutting cake during Katrina?

Got Pics?

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Bush made his appointments based upon cronyism and not on ability.

LOL, and Obama has not? Really Excell, even you can't say that with a straight face.
Obama's group either came from Chicago or Clinton's back pocket. Really.

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Originally posted by LMM:

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Bush made his appointments based upon cronyism and not on ability.

LOL, and Obama has not? Really Excell, even you can't say that with a straight face.
Obama's group either came from Chicago or Clinton's back pocket. Really.

You got that right LMM. Don't you find it strange how "they" can dish it out but just can't take it. You know what they say about payback.

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Originally posted by LMM:

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Bush made his appointments based upon cronyism and not on ability.

LOL, and Obama has not? Really Excell, even you can't say that with a straight face.
Obama's group either came from Chicago or Clinton's back pocket. Really.

We'll see. Our government ran rather well during the Clinton admin. Perhaps something is to be said for picking people with experience.
I guess we'll see as time goes how things go, if they go anywhere as badly as they did under Bush, like I said, I'll be beating the drum to replace them all, but I think, and hope, it goes much better.

Good Grief........ Obama has been President a whole 2 weeks and people are already passing judgement?....... After what Bush did to us?......

And believe me..... I am one of the idiots who put Bush in office, being a Republican.... But I learned my lesson on him.... he betrayed me,,,, as well as our Country....

We have no choice but to give Obama a chance and stop judging his every move with only a couple of weeks under his belt..... I am ready to try to give him a chance...... why isnt everyone else?....

This is ''''''''still'''''' the UNITED States of America,,,, right?.....

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Originally posted by Chow:
Interesting, I never seen MSNBC report it that way, matter of fact I don't recall a single article or newsroom reporting your version. All the lunatic left media just seemed to call him a moron or an idiot.

One question, if those in NOLA wanted help, why was so much gun fire directed towards the one's trying to help?


You still got your stab in, Bush and McCain were cutting cake during Katrina?

Got Pics?

Say you never seen it ?

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Gotta admit, you got me, I can't find a pic of Bush actually cutting the cake.

First link, top photo is not from NOLA so I stopped there. It's easy make up stuff in the alternet world.

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Originally posted by Chow:
First link, top photo is not from NOLA so I stopped there. It's easy make up stuff in the alternet world.

Of course it wasn't . He was in Arizona that day and went to LA the next.
Had he been in NOLA, he would have known the levies had broken and people were in trouble.
Methinks you need to read more.

It was McCain's birthday. A small celebration. All the links in the chain of command had been started. Bush had to assume the Governor and FEMA would do their jobs. The mayor failed, the governor failed, FEMA was slow but is not responsible for anything but writing checks. No one thought the canals and levies would be breached. You can also blame the engineers who built the things. You can blame the storm for being a category 5. You can blame the people who ignored the evacuation order that was given too late. You can blame the looters and morons stealing TV's when they had no electricity. You can blame the National Guard for kicking butt and taking guns.
Or you can just blame Bush.

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Originally posted by LMM:
It was McCain's birthday. A small celebration. All the links in the chain of command had been started. Bush had to assume the Governor and FEMA would do their jobs. The mayor failed, the governor failed, FEMA was slow but is not responsible for anything but writing checks. No one thought the canals and levies would be breached. You can also blame the engineers who built the things. You can blame the storm for being a category 5. You can blame the people who ignored the evacuation order that was given too late. You can blame the looters and morons stealing TV's when they had no electricity. You can blame the National Guard for kicking butt and taking guns.
Or you can just blame Bush.

You are absolutly right, and as I said before, Bush did early on what he was supposed to do, ie: declare the disaster.
My answer was to crow who "never seen it" so I supplied the bird with the pictures. I have "showed" him. Then he elected to not read the links because they were not taken at NO. I believe Crow doesn't know a feather duster from a ducks ass.
The fact was that Bush also went on to Ca the next day was irrelevant , except for the reports that his staff finally put together a news DVD so he would know that NO had drowned. It has been no secret that Bush doesn't care much for the news.
Once the true management was turned over to Andre, or whatever his name was and the military got involved, they did kick butt.

No reason to pontificate on the relative merits of Brown, and if the Nat Guard should have been sent in earlier.

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Originally posted by LMM:
It was McCain's birthday. A small celebration. All the links in the chain of command had been started. Bush had to assume the Governor and FEMA would do their jobs. The mayor failed, the governor failed, FEMA was slow but is not responsible for anything but writing checks. No one thought the canals and levies would be breached. You can also blame the engineers who built the things. You can blame the storm for being a category 5. You can blame the people who ignored the evacuation order that was given too late. You can blame the looters and morons stealing TV's when they had no electricity. You can blame the National Guard for kicking butt and taking guns.
Or you can just blame Bush.

I bet they just blame Bush.

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Originally posted by AlabamaSon:
What did "black" have to do with Katrina? You buy into that thought? I don't.

As I recall, there were plenty in the Moonbat Brigade who "spoke truth to power" when they declared that the evil Cheney had used top secret weather control technology to conjure up the storm to kill the black people in NO. And hordes believed them.

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:

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Originally posted by AlabamaSon:
What did "black" have to do with Katrina? You buy into that thought? I don't.

As I recall, there were plenty in the Moonbat Brigade who "spoke truth to power" when they declared that the evil Cheney had used top secret weather control technology to conjure up the storm to kill the black people in NO. And hordes believed them.

There was also an Evangelical preacher John Haggi who also belonged to the "Moonbat Brigade" blaming the storm on the people of New Orleans. Remember him, for a while he was John McCain's "spiritual adviser". Even more "moonbats" believed him.
As I remember it, you can also include Faldwell and Robertson in that "moonbat brigade" that , as part of the "blame America first" croud, attempted to pin the blame on our own people, so youru Moonbats are on both sides, probably under every rock, and behind every tree.Trouble is , your moonbats have a lot more people following them and donating their hard-earned money to them. The left-wing moonbats just want to place the blame on Cheney and Bush .
BTW, my wife (a good Bible believing Christian woman) in convinced to this very day that Bush / Cheney IS God's punishment on this country for our misbehavior. Me personally, I believe they are God's punishment for our stupidity.

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Originally posted by excelman:
There was also an Evangelical preacher John Haggi who also belonged to the "Moonbat Brigade" blaming the storm on the people of New Orleans. Remember him, for a while he was John McCain's "spiritual adviser". Even more "moonbats" believed him.
As I remember it, you can also include Faldwell and Robertson in that "moonbat brigade" that , as part of the "blame America first" croud, attempted to pin the blame on our own people, so youru Moonbats are on both sides, probably under every rock, and behind every tree.Trouble is , your moonbats have a lot more people following them and donating their hard-earned money to them. The left-wing moonbats just want to place the blame on Cheney and Bush .
BTW, my wife (a good Bible believing Christian woman) in convinced to this very day that Bush / Cheney IS God's punishment on this country for our misbehavior. Me personally, I believe they are God's punishment for our stupidity.

Apples and oranges; sort of a "Sodom and Gommorah" approach. In their case, it was more of a divine retribution for sinful behavior, which differs from the American government killing its own people for fun. I doubt you can see the difference since it doesn't pass your ideological filter. In any event, I think most of them have sipped their own kool-aid.

And I believe God's punishment on America is reality tv.

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:

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Originally posted by excelman:
There was also an Evangelical preacher John Haggi who also belonged to the "Moonbat Brigade" blaming the storm on the people of New Orleans. Remember him, for a while he was John McCain's "spiritual adviser". Even more "moonbats" believed him.
As I remember it, you can also include Faldwell and Robertson in that "moonbat brigade" that , as part of the "blame America first" croud, attempted to pin the blame on our own people, so youru Moonbats are on both sides, probably under every rock, and behind every tree.Trouble is , your moonbats have a lot more people following them and donating their hard-earned money to them. The left-wing moonbats just want to place the blame on Cheney and Bush .
BTW, my wife (a good Bible believing Christian woman) in convinced to this very day that Bush / Cheney IS God's punishment on this country for our misbehavior. Me personally, I believe they are God's punishment for our stupidity.

Apples and oranges; sort of a "Sodom and Gommorah" approach. In their case, it was more of a divine retribution for sinful behavior, which differs from the American government killing its own people for fun. I doubt you can see the difference since it doesn't pass your ideological filter. In any event, I think most of them have sipped their own kool-aid.

And I believe God's punishment on America is reality tv.

Well, maybe, but to place the blame for a natural even such as a storm on anybody is truly "moonbat" mentality and to me they are both in the same boat. The world and the forces of nature are much more complicated.

I found it a little comical that the same bunch of preachers failed to condemn the members of that little church on Sand Mtn that got destroyed by a tornado as retribution for their sinful ways, as well as the people up in Tenn who lost (I believe) 4 churches in that Tornado last Feb.

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Originally posted by Justasking:
I'm glad you said that Howard. Obama should do more to help those in Kentucky who are freezing.

Well, in Chicago, they don't close schools for a little snow...

OBAMA declared the area a federal disaster today, 9 days after the storm hit.


On the morning of Friday, August 26, at 10 a.m. CDT (1500 UTC), Katrina had strengthened to a Category 3 storm in the Gulf of Mexico. Later that afternoon, the NHC realized that Katrina had yet to make the turn toward the Florida Panhandle and ended up revising the predicted track of the storm from the panhandle to the Mississippi coast.[7][8] The NHC issued a hurricane watch for southeastern Louisiana, including the New Orleans area at 10 a.m. CDT Saturday, August 27. That afternoon the NHC extended the watch to cover the Mississippi and Alabama coastlines as well as the Louisiana coast to Intracoastal City.

The United States Coast Guard began prepositioning resources beyond the expected impact zone starting on August 26, and activated more than 400 reservists.[9] Aircrews from the Aviation Training Center, in Mobile, staged rescue aircraft from Texas to Florida.[10] All aircraft were returning back towards the Gulf of Mexico by the afternoon of August 29. Air crews, many of whom lost their homes during the hurricane, began a round-the-clock rescue effort in New Orleans, and along the Mississippi and Alabama coastlines.[11]

President George W. Bush declared a state of emergency in selected regions of Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi on Saturday, the 27th, two days before the hurricane made landfall.[12] However, the president's declaration did not include any of Louisiana's coastal parishes, a fact that would be addressed in Congressional hearings held in the wake of the eventual disaster (see subsection below). That same evening, the NHC upgraded the storm alert status from hurricane watch to hurricane warning over the stretch of coastline between Morgan City, Louisiana to the Alabama-Florida border, 12 hours after the watch alert had been issued, and also issued a tropical storm warning for the westernmost Florida Panhandle.[3]

During video conferences involving the president on August 28 and 29, the director of the National Hurricane Center at the time, Max Mayfield, expressed concern that Katrina might push its storm surge over the city's levees and flood walls. In one conference, he stated, "I do not think anyone can tell you with confidence right now whether the levees will be topped or not, but that's obviously a very, very great concern."[13]

On Sunday, August 28, as the sheer size of Katrina became clear, the NHC extended the tropical storm warning zone to cover most of the Louisiana coastline and a larger portion of the Florida Panhandle. The National Weather Service's New Orleans/Baton Rouge office issued a vividly worded bulletin predicting that the area would be "uninhabitable for weeks" after "devastating damage" caused by Katrina, which at that time rivaled the intensity of Hurricane Camille.[14] "On Sunday, August 28, President Bush spoke with Governor Blanco to encourage her to order a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans." (Per page 235 of Special Report of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs[15] )

Voluntary and mandatory evacuations were issued for large areas of southeast Louisiana as well as coastal Mississippi and Alabama. About 1.2 million residents of the Gulf Coast were covered under a voluntary or mandatory evacuation order.[3]

What outrage? The old fellow who froze had 600,000 in the bank and lying around the house. They found the cash the same day they found the body. Talk about cheap.