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Who Are The Mormons And What Do They Believe?

Bill GrayBill GrayOld Faithful

Hi to all my Forum Friends,

Since I have tried unsuccessfully to have meaningful dialogue with Dwight/Skippy regarding his Mormon (LDS) religion; as I promised him, I will instead just post information I have, or, as in this case, information I have found in a reliable source -- and let you form your own understanding of the Mormon religion and whether or not it is a cult religion.  In the writing below, the blue text is mine and has been added for clarification.

The Question/Answer below is from:   http://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html

 

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Question: "Is Mormonism a cult?    What do Mormons believe?"

Answer: The Mormon religion (Mormonism), whose followers are known as Mormons and Latter Day Saints (LDS), was founded less than two hundred years ago by a man named Joseph Smith. He claimed to have received a personal visit from God the Father  and Jesus Christ who told him that all churches and their creeds were an abomination.  Joseph Smith then set out to begin a  brand-new religion that claims to be the “only true church on earth.”

The problem with Mormonism is that it contradicts, modifies, and expands on the Bible. Christians have no reason to believe that the Bible is not true and adequate.  To truly believe in and trust God means to believe in His Word, and all Scripture is inspired by God, which means it comes from Him (2 Timothy 3:16).

Mormons believe that there are in fact four sources of divinely inspired words, not just one:  (1) The Bible “as far as it is translated  correctly.”  Which verses are considered incorrectly translated is not always made clear.  (2) The Book of Mormon, which was  “translated” by Smith and published in 1830. Smith claimed it is the “most correct book” on earth and that a person can get closer  to God by following its precepts “than by any other book.”  (3) The Doctrine and Covenants, containing a collection of modern  revelations regarding the “Church of Jesus Christ as it has been restored.”  (4) The Pearl of the Great Price, which is considered by  Mormons to “clarify” doctrines and teachings that were lost from the Bible and adds its own information about the earth's creation.

Mormons believe the following about God:  He has not always been the Supreme Being of the universe, but attained that status through righteous living and persistent effort (as a man).  They believe God the Father has a “body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s.”   Though abandoned by modern Mormon leaders, Brigham Young taught that Adam actually was God and the father of  Jesus Christ.

In contrast, Christians know this about God: there is only one true God (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6-8).  He always has existed and always will exist (Deuteronomy 33:27; Psalm 90:2; 1 Timothy 1:17).  And He was not created, but is the Creator  (Genesis 1; Psalm 24:1; Isaiah 37:16).  He is perfect, and no one else is equal to Him (Psalm 86:8; Isaiah 40:25).

God the Father is not a man, nor was He ever (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9).  He is Spirit (John 4:24), and Spirit is not made of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39).

Mormons believe that there are different levels or kingdoms in the afterlife: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, the telestial kingdom, and outer darkness.  Where mankind will end up depends on what they believe and do in this life.

In contrast, the Bible tells us that after death, we go to heaven or hell based on whether or not we had faith in Jesus Christ as our  Lord and Savior.  To be absent from our bodies means, as believers, we are with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-8).  Unbelievers are sent to hell or the place of the dead (Luke 16:22-23).  When Jesus comes the second time, we will receive new bodies (1 Corinthians 
15:50-54).  There will be a new heaven and new earth for believers (Revelation 21:1), and unbelievers will be thrown into an everlasting lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15).  There is no second chance for redemption after death (Hebrews 9:27).

Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus’ incarnation was the result of a physical relationship between God the Father and Mary.  (They teach that Jesus was conceived just like all babies are, through a sexual relationship between God and Mary).

Mormons believe Jesus is a god (similar to Jehovah's Witnesses), but that any human can also become a god.  Mormonism teaches that salvation can be earned by a combination of faith and good works.

Contrary to this, Christians historically have taught that no one can achieve the status of God -- only He is holy (1 Samuel 2:2).  We can only be made holy in God's sight through faith in Him (1 Corinthians 1:2).  Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), is the only one ever to have lived a sinless, blameless life, and now has the highest place of honor in heaven (Hebrews 7:26).

Jesus and God are one in essence, Jesus being the only One existing before physical birth (John 1:1-8; 8:56).  Jesus gave Himself to us as a sacrifice, God raised Him from the dead, and one day everyone will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Philippians 2:6-11).

Jesus tells us it is impossible to get to heaven by our own works and that only by faith in Him is it possible (Matthew 19:26).  We all deserve eternal punishment for our sins, but God's infinite love and grace have allowed us a way out.  “For the wages of sin is death,  but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).

Clearly, there is only one way to receive salvation and that is to know God and His Son, Jesus (John 17:3).  It is not done by works, but by faith (Romans 1:17; 3:28).  We can receive this gift no matter who we are or what we have done (Romans 3:22).  “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

Although Mormons are usually friendly, loving, and kind people, they are deceived by a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation.

Recommended Resource: "Reasoning From The Scriptures With Mormons," by Ron Rhodes.

RELATED TOPICS:

How should Christians view the book of Mormon?
http://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Mormon.html

Why are Mormons/LDS so interested in genealogies?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Mo...LDS-genealogies.html

Who was Joseph Smith?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Joseph-Smith.html

Witnessing to Mormons - what is the key?
http://www.gotquestions.org/witnessing-Mormons.html

Why do Mormons refer to themselves as Latter Day Saints?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Latter-Day-Saints.html

I am a Mormon, why should I consider becoming a Christian?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Mormon-Christian.html

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I pray this is helpful to all our Forum Friends and that you now have more definitive knowledge of the Mormon (LDS) religion.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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WINDSONGWINDSONGHall of Famer
Originally Posted by Loki:

So I'm confused. Is Jesus and God the same person, or being? 

Loki, first off, dont believe a thing bill says about "Mormons", he hates them with a passion and will do all he can to discredit them.

 

Now, if you are asking anyone that question then I will answer.

The word "GOD"' is a title.Jesus Christ is a "GOD" as well as His Father is a "GOD", as well as the Holy Ghost is a "GOD".  All three are seperate beings holding the title "GOD".  Together, the three form what is known as " THE GODHEAD". Jesus, before being born on the earth was the "GOD" of the old testiment. He is Jehova, I AM, alpha and Omega. At that time "GOD"( Jesus) was a SPIRIT but later took upon Himself, Flesh.
When Jesus resurected He took his body with Him to sit at the right hand of His Father. Jesus is still a "GOD" but now one with a body of flesh and bones like His Father!

skippy delepepperskippy delepepperOld Faithful

Bill/BeternU, Folks this is Skippy.

I started by going to his first reference site (http://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html)

I started reading the scripture references that were not from the King James Bible which

the LDS church reconizes as THE VERSION to STUDY. Even in the references I found

nothing that says Bill/BeternU right, Skippy wrong. I also found a discepency in the verses

listed. In John 4:24 it says,"God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in  

 spirit and truth."

Luke 24:39 it says,"See my hands and my feet, that is I myself, touch me, and see. For

a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."(Jesus)

Now let's get to the meat of your reference listed above. Asst. Prof. of Geology--

Barry Bickmore said,"After reading Ron Rhodes chapter"Christ and the Trinity" in the

book "The counterfeit Gospel of Mormonism", I was amazes by how badly he botched

his discription of the LDS doctrine of the Atonement. I wondered how he came up with

it, and so I asked him in an e-mail. There was a total of 7 correspondences." 4 from

Bickmore and 3 replies by Rhodes. Rhodes gave no resources or names of people

he referenced from. Most of the site listed above came from this book. Rhodes did

not answer the last e-mail. You can read this for yourself at----

 (http://www.shields-research.or...hodes_Bickmore01.htm)

Well again Bill/BeternU I again caught you with your pants down. Again not checking

your resourses. No use even reading the rest of your crap.

 

Skippy

LokiLokiHall of Famer
Originally Posted by WINDSONG:
Originally Posted by Loki:

So I'm confused. Is Jesus and God the same person, or being? 

Loki, first off, dont believe a thing bill says about "Mormons", he hates them with a passion and will do all he can to discredit them.

 

Thanks Wind, I appreciate the info, but I was just doing that more to troll Bill than anything else. He's my favorite nut case hypocrite on these forums. 
Bill GrayBill GrayOld Faithful
Originally Posted by renecillo7:

Bill: Awesome post! Thanks for the clarification. I have always believed that the Mormons are a cult. I have had them knock on my door a few times. Whenever the conversation starts to go towards the bible with them, they leave!

Hi Renecillo7,

 

Thank you.  One thing we know for sure about our Mormon Friend, Dwight/Skippy, which is typical of all Mormon "evangelist" or their "recent post-puberty elders" who ride bicycles around and knock on doors -- they will not discuss the Bible with you -- and they will not answer direct questions.  If you ask a question, they will attempt to divert that back to their Mormon literature.

 

And, as Dwight/Skippy pointed out in a previous post, they will only acknowledge the King James Bible -- which is okay if that is their choice.  Actually, I believe their reason for this is that this is the translation  Joseph Smith plagiarized when he wrote their Book of Mormon.  And, since that is the closest in language to their Book of Mormon -- they refuse to look at another translation.

 

But, that would be okay -- if they would only discuss the Bible and not insist upon only talking about Mormon literature.

 

And, as you have noticed, Dwight/Skippy does all sort of "Mormon Two Step" dancing to avoid answering our questions.   How many times have I asked him to tell us who the Mormon god is?  How many times have I asked if they have multiple men/gods and how many?  How many times have I asked who was the father of their original man/god and where he resides?  As a matter of fact, since all their men/gods have fathers -- where did the original man/god father come from?  

 

And, how many times have I asked Dwight/Skippy if HE will be a man/god one day, have his own planet similar to earth, have his own goddess wives, and populate his earth-like planet with spirit children by having sexual relations with all his goddess wives.

 

HE WILL NEVER ANSWER ANY OF OUR QUESTIONS!

 

Dwight/Skippy is the personification of the Mormon Evangelism 101 training.  Never answer a question!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

skippy delepepperskippy delepepperOld Faithful
Originally Posted by renecillo7:

Bill: Awesome post! Thanks for the clarification. I have always believed that the Mormons are a cult. I have had them knock on my door a few times. Whenever the conversation starts to go towards the bible with them, they leave!

 

ren 7,

apparently you have not read very little that BeternU/Bill and I have corresponded.

I have used only the Bible and references to web sites that shine the truth on the 

bogus sites he refers to. It's easy to counter his rantings. Here's an example. These

are two of the scriptures he refers to as proof the LDS church is false.

John 4:24--"God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."

     (God is spirit and must be worshiped in spirit)

Luke 24:39--"See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself, touch me and see for a

spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."

     (Jesus, God, has a body of flesh and bones.)

I'm confussed is God a spirit only or does the Lord Jesus Christ have a body? How

does this in any way prove that my church is false or his is true in any way? It doesn't.

Go ahead and follow BeternU/Bill's teachings. Here's one quick one that you need

to absorb. Bill has stated that before Noah there was no oceans, body of waters or

RAIN. That's a hard one to swallow especially when in Genisis 1:20 it says---

  And God said, Let the waters bring forth abudantly the moving creature that hath

life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in open firmament of Heaven.

Gen. 1:21-- And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth,

which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl

after his kind: and God saw it was good.

Follow his false teachings if you may but....

 Revelations 13:7--And it was given unto him to make war against the SAINTS,

and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues,

and nations.

Now this isn't refering to Bill of course, but I use this as an example of how men

can use scrirture to mean anything they want if the people listening are gullible.

Mormon is just a nick-name and not the name of our church. Our Church's name

is The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day SAINTS.

Skippy 

skippy delepepperskippy delepepperOld Faithful
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
Originally Posted by renecillo7:

Bill: Awesome post! Thanks for the clarification. I have always believed that the Mormons are a cult. I have had them knock on my door a few times. Whenever the conversation starts to go towards the bible with them, they leave!

Ren 7, to start with one will usually leave if one is asked to.

Hi Renecillo7,

 

Thank you.  One thing we know for sure about our Mormon Friend, Dwight/Skippy, which is typical of all Mormon "evangelist" or their "recent post-puberty elders" who ride bicycles around and knock on doors -- they will not discuss the Bible with you -- and they will not answer direct questions.  If you ask a question, they will attempt to divert that back to their Mormon literature.

Our young men we send out are at least 19+ years old. They as a matter fact are well versed in the Bible and are not supposed to shy away from it. There is nothing in the King James Bible

that counters any LDS teachings because we teach from both the Bible and Book of Mormon.

I've answered BeternU/Bills questions over and over and so has Windsong. I guess because

of his old age he keeps forgetting. BeternU/Bill anyway isn't it time for your nap?

 

And, as Dwight/Skippy pointed out in a previous post, they will only acknowledge the King James Bible -- which is okay if that is their choice.  Actually, I believe their reason for this is that this is the translation  Joseph Smith plagiarized when he wrote their Book of Mormon.  And, since that is the closest in language to their Book of Mormon -- they refuse to look at another translation.

 The Church of Christ owns and teaches from the Joseph Smith version of the King James

Version which has less differences than whatever version BeternU/Bill teaches from, you

know the one with no RAIN or SEAS before NOAH. We teach from the King James Version.

because it is less altered.

But, that would be okay -- if they would only discuss the Bible and not insist upon only talking about Mormon literature.

 Every time you have refered to Bible scriptures they do not support your false claims. I just

give you other Bible scriptures that prove you wrong every time.

And, as you have noticed, Dwight/Skippy does all sort of "Mormon Two Step" dancing to avoid answering our questions.   How many times have I asked him to tell us who the Mormon god is?  How many times have I asked if they have multiple men/gods and how many?  How many times have I asked who was the father of their original man/god and where he resides?  As a matter of fact, since all their men/gods have fathers -- where did the original man/god father come from? 

And again BeternU/Bill as I told you before I have never danced, don't know how, unlike the

fancy steps you have. As for Mormon Gods, not such a thing. Our God and Son Jesus Christ

are not only our gods but everyone that has ever was, that is, and that will be's Gods. No men

gods as you fantisize about only two, tell me if you know of any more but please not from

your new age or whatever Bible you study from, you know the one with no RAIN or SEAS

before NOAH. I know of one God that has a Father, His name is Jesus Christ. As for the

Father I don't know if or who his parents are. I don't even know where The Father and Son

live. But BeternU/Bill I'm sure you can tell us these answers with you being so tight with

divinety.

 

And, how many times have I asked Dwight/Skippy if HE will be a man/god one day, have his own planet similar to earth, have his own goddess wives, and populate his earth-like planet with spirit children by having sexual relations with all his goddess wives.

And how many times have I repeated myself. Please BeternU/Bill write the answers down so you

don't forget again. No man/gods that I know of mabey in Harry Potter or somthing. As for the rest

of your irreverent crap I won't even address that. God the Eternal Father and His Son Jesus Christ

have bodies of flesh and bones

Gen. 1:27-- So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 2:7--And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and BREATHED into his

nostrils the BREATH of life; and man became a living soul.

Luke 24:39-- See my hands and my feet, that is I myself, touch me, and see. For a Spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.

Yes we as Christains know that God the Father and His Son are seperate individuals (Gods) with

bodies. The Holy Ghost is of Spirit with no body.

 

HE WILL NEVER ANSWER ANY OF OUR QUESTIONS!

Again asked and answered. Please remember this time Old Dude.

Dwight/Skippy is the personification of the Mormon Evangelism 101 training.  Never answer a question!

 Never served as a Missionary I was a partier back then. Not that i think any less of people who

do. And I am definably not an Evangelist. Just don't like people spreading false things about

Christ's Church.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Thanks BeternU/Bill I will. Skippy the teller of truth.
 
 
 

 

Bill GrayBill GrayOld Faithful

Hi Dwight/Skippy,

 

You say, "Yes we as Christains (SIC) know that God the Father and His Son are seperate (SIC) individuals (Gods) with bodies.  The Holy Ghost is of Spirit with no body."

 

Will you please show us proof of these statements in the Bible.  What Scripture verses or passages support this teaching that God the Father and God the Son are separate Gods?   What Scripture supports the teaching that God the Father has a physical body?   And, are the Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit the same Person, the third Person in the Trinity?

 

Looking forward to your answers.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

WINDSONGWINDSONGHall of Famer
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Dwight/Skippy,

 

You say, "Yes we as Christains (SIC) know that God the Father and His Son are seperate (SIC) individuals (Gods) with bodies.  The Holy Ghost is of Spirit with no body."

 

Will you please show us proof of these statements in the Bible.  What Scripture verses or passages support this teaching that God the Father and God the Son are separate Gods?   What Scripture supports the teaching that God the Father has a physical body?   And, are the Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit the same Person, the third Person in the Trinity?

 

Looking forward to your answers.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Skippy, the old fool did it again, I dont know if he wants you or me to answer. Hows your family? Mine are fine, We are so blessed to be members of this church!

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