Who concerns me?

I know many Atheist feel that Christians fear them or want to threaten them.  I cannot disprove that for I can only go by what they say.  I, personally, have never been around a Church or Christians who hate Atheist or who threaten them however I cannot say the same as for Satanist.  That group of folks I have heard remarks, from other Church folks that they fear them and what they believe. 

 

I ran across an article about a mug shot of a criminal who would certainly concern me if I saw him out, whether or not I knew he was a criminal.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...;title=Albert_Tejeda

 

 

For me this type of person I would fear, just from the appearance of him.  That may not be right but there is something about the pentagram, and it's placement, that kind of says this guy has some kind of message he wants to send.

 

Regarding the previous statement about not hearing a Christian say a threatening thing about an Atheist I will retract it for just one point.  Although Atheist was not specifically named the discussion was about protesters who, in San Fransisco, went into a worship service and purposely disrupted it and the statement was made from a couple of the ushers that if it happened in their Church they would exercise the demons from them by the laying on of hands.  The statement was not from a Pentecostal group so all of us knew the insinuation was meant that they would lay hold on the offenders and escort them from the service/property if they made that kind of demonstration in one of the Church Services here.

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )
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Caught on Video: Christians Protest American Atheists Convention-Does this family scare or concern you?

 

http://atheistatlarge.org/2011...atheists-convention/

 

“Atheists love their sin and they’re full of pride and they dont want to surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ,” declared a protester in front of the American Atheists national convention this Easter weekend.

According to the Christian protester interviewed, atheists are headed to hell and that “atheists are ****s, lesbians and sodomites.  They’re liars, thieves, fornicators.”

He carried a sign saying that women should not be allowed to vote and shouted that lesbians are too ugly to get men and gays are too ugly to get women

God hates them and they’re going to burn in hell.

A woman who was part of the group carried a sign reading, “Biblephobia has got to go.”

The protesters appear to be just one family.

 

Originally Posted by gbrk:

I know many Atheist feel that Christians fear them or want to threaten them.  I cannot disprove that for I can only go by what they say.  I, personally, have never been around a Church or Christians who hate Atheist or who threaten them however I cannot say the same as for Satanist.  That group of folks I have heard remarks, from other Church folks that they fear them and what they believe. 

 

I ran across an article about a mug shot of a criminal who would certainly concern me if I saw him out, whether or not I knew he was a criminal.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...;title=Albert_Tejeda

 

 

For me this type of person I would fear, just from the appearance of him.  That may not be right but there is something about the pentagram, and it's placement, that kind of says this guy has some kind of message he wants to send.

 

Regarding the previous statement about not hearing a Christian say a threatening thing about an Atheist I will retract it for just one point.  Although Atheist was not specifically named the discussion was about protesters who, in San Fransisco, went into a worship service and purposely disrupted it and the statement was made from a couple of the ushers that if it happened in their Church they would exercise the demons from them by the laying on of hands.  The statement was not from a Pentecostal group so all of us knew the insinuation was meant that they would lay hold on the offenders and escort them from the service/property if they made that kind of demonstration in one of the Church Services here.

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This type of "in your face" statement by what I consider a possessed person

has become common place. It's only going to get worst with time.

 

GK I am not sure why you mentioned atheist so many times in your post while presenting a picture of a sick child molester, but you said you had no real knowledge of atheist being threatened or attacked by Christians. I can help you here. Watch this video and then you will not be able to make that claim again.

 

http://www.thegoodatheist.net/...awaii-state-capitol/

 

Also what did the attack in San Francisco have to do with atheist? I am just trying to understand why you have brought atheism into this discussion while posting examples of child molesters and angry homosexuals.

 

I will agree that if I saw that man on the street I would be scared of him. Not because of the pentagram, but because he is just so freaking scary with his face all black with ink and that look in his eyes. Since he is a child molester I don't even understand why he was out and among us in the first place.

 

That picture might give me nightmares.....

There's child molester's out there without Tattoos. I have a friend that has tattoos over most of his body & neck but would give someone in need the shirt off his back.

This guy wouldn't scare me if I saw him on the street as much as some do w/o Tattoos.

 

I'm not sure what an Atheist would have to do with this either. How many times have we heard of child molester's that wore the Christian hat?

 

I'd only be afraid if he gave me reason to be afraid.  Tattoos, makeup, clothing, putting on attitude are sometimes used as a line of defense. The person inside is what matters.

 

The first time a met a friend of my son's, I see a young man with a gazillion piercings, tattoos, grunge clothing...he opens his mouth and exhibits the best manners and demeanor of any of my son's friends.  Hilarious!

 

Regarding the personal attacks thing, I think some people like to play the victim/martyr even when they are not the target, don't even live anywhere near the target.  We have so much freedom in this country and laws to protect us that very few of us have ever experienced a real threat to what we believe or don't believe. 

 

This taking up the torch in the name of Christianity or Atheism rarely rings true for me.  It usually sounds like hype, getting all worked up for a nonexistent cause.  We live in America.  We should go live in a third world country for a while; we will find ourselves a little more thankful for the freedom to be ourselves and voice our opinions.

 

JMHO

Originally Posted by _Joy_:

I'd only be afraid if he gave me reason to be afraid.  Tattoos, makeup, clothing, putting on attitude are sometimes used as a line of defense. The person inside is what matters.

 

The first time a met a friend of my son's, I see a young man with a gazillion piercings, tattoos, grunge clothing...he opens his mouth and exhibits the best manners and demeanor of any of my son's friends.  Hilarious!

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Just goes to show we should never judge what we see that stands before us but what's on the inside.

DA,   The only reason I mentioned Atheist is that if I had not or didn't someone would have jumped to the conclusion that I would be lumping them in with satanist.  I know there is a major difference so don't read anything into that.  It was a preemptive measure trying to keep some from getting their hypersensitive hair up.  I have heard it said, before, that Christians hate Atheist or threaten them so I was just saying, for the record, I had not heard such before or been a part of a group/Church where I overheard such said.   I then attempted to differentiate it from fear of satanist which I have heard mentioned before.

True..............Satan worries more about the ones he hasn't gotten yet.

He's sure he has the non believers.

 

And what is he doing with the non-believers? I don't know much about satanists but aren't they supposed to worship him and do his bidding? If he has the non-believers you'd think there'd be a manual or at least we'd have gotten a memo. Sorry invic, satan doesn't exist either.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

True..............Satan worries more about the ones he hasn't gotten yet.

He's sure he has the non believers.

 

And what is he doing with the non-believers? I don't know much about satanists but aren't they supposed to worship him and do his bidding? If he has the non-believers you'd think there'd be a manual or at least we'd have gotten a memo. Sorry invic, satan doesn't exist either.

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OK....You need to believe in satan for that to be true for you.

So it doesn't yet apply for you.

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Originally Posted by gbrk:

DA,   The only reason I mentioned Atheist is that if I had not or didn't someone would have jumped to the conclusion that I would be lumping them in with satanist.  I know there is a major difference so don't read anything into that.  It was a preemptive measure trying to keep some from getting their hypersensitive hair up.

 

 

Huh? So if you mentioned Satanist you think that the atheist would think you were talking about them?

 

I still don't get it......

There is some truth to not judging a book by its cover, but also it is a great way to stay alive too! If you see someone that looks like this freak I would say you should be cautious first then if he turns out to be harmless great!

 

I read the article first because the picture took a while to load, maybe that is why he scared the poo out of me. A sexual predator with that face and those eyes...gave me the willies.

 

I have a few tattoos myself. So does my husband and most of our friends. None of them have them on their face. That says something about the person that would do that to his face. I would immediately wonder what is he trying to hide from.

Originally Posted by Gnu:

Satanists have way more in common with Christians then they do with Atheists.

That's true. Both Satanists and Christians are believers in supernatural deities with corresponding dogma and rituals. Atheists don't believe in either Christ or Satan or Wotan or Leprechauns.

quote:   Originally Posted by A. Robustus:
quote:   Originally Posted by Gnu:

Satanists have way more in common with Christians then they do with Atheists.

That's true. Both Satanists and Christians are believers in supernatural deities with corresponding dogma and rituals.  Atheists don't believe in either Christ or Satan or Wotan or Leprechauns.

Hi Robust and Gnu,

 

So, WHAT do atheists believe in -- NOTHING?   What motivates the atheist?   What is his/her reason for getting out of bed in the morning?  What does an atheist have to look forward to in life?

 

Since atheists cannot center their lives around God -- are all atheists center around ME, I, or NOTHING? 

 

How will this benefit ME? -- What will I get from this? -- This is what I want to do! -- I have created MY own world!  In my view, this seems like a person using a teaspoon in an attempt to dig his/her Well Of Life.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Atheists get out of bed for all sorts of reasons. We work, we have families we love and support. We have friends we socialize with. We have hobbies. We have dogs, cats, other pets. We go to movies, we do ordinary things like anyone else. We look forward to all sorts of things. Retirement, grandchildren, travel, more time to be with family and friends. Our lives center around our loved ones bill. You are a sad sad person if you think a belief in a god is all there is to life. Pitiful pitiful man. As usual your view is messed up. One thing I can tell you is this, you seem a heck of a lot more self centered than anyone, atheist or christian, that I know.

quote:  Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

Atheists get out of bed for all sorts of reasons.  We work, we have families we love and support.  We have friends we socialize with.  We have hobbies.  We have dogs, cats, other pets.  We go to movies, we do ordinary things like anyone else.  We look forward to all sorts of things.  Retirement, grandchildren, travel, more time to be with family and friends.  Our lives center around our loved ones bill.  You are a sad sad person if you think a belief in a god is all there is to life.  Pitiful pitiful man. As usual your view is messed up.  One thing I can tell you is this, you seem a heck of a lot more self centered than anyone, atheist or christian, that I know.


Hi Jennifer,

 

Now I think I see the problem.  You have trouble seeing; possibly an "eye problem" or more clearly stated, an "I problem."   God is not all there is to our lives.  It is just that God is the Core -- and from Him flows all that is good in our lives.  You see, God is the Nucleus around which our Atomic Spiritual Life is built.  Without that Nucleus -- there is no Spiritual Life.

 

And, Jennifer, thank you for being my Friend.  Thank you for being so concerned with what I write.  I pray my writings will continue to benefit you, all of our Forum Friends, and me.  May we all learn together.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

quote:  Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

Atheists get out of bed for all sorts of reasons.  We work, we have families we love and support.  We have friends we socialize with.  We have hobbies.  We have dogs, cats, other pets.  We go to movies, we do ordinary things like anyone else.  We look forward to all sorts of things.  Retirement, grandchildren, travel, more time to be with family and friends.  Our lives center around our loved ones bill.  You are a sad sad person if you think a belief in a god is all there is to life.  Pitiful pitiful man. As usual your view is messed up.  One thing I can tell you is this, you seem a heck of a lot more self centered than anyone, atheist or christian, that I know.


Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Jennifer,

Now I think I see the problem.  You have trouble seeing; possibly an "eye problem" or more clearly stated, an "I problem."   God is not all there is to our lives.  It is just that God is the Core -- and from Him flows all that is good in our lives.  You see, God is the Nucleus around which our Atomic Spiritual Life is built.  Without that Nucleus -- there is no Spiritual Life.

And, Jennifer, thank you for being my Friend.  Thank you for being so concerned with what I write.  I pray my writings will continue to benefit you, all of our Forum Friends, and me.  May we all learn together.

Bill

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OMG! Bill, you just don't stop, do you? You take a perfectly sensible post from Jenn & try to turn it into the negative.

 

I, for one, am concerned about what you write & the people that you often mislead & those that you turn away from Christianity. Your wearing the Christian hat to fool good people. It's a shame!

 

Anyone that constantly calls people his friends that have told you they are not your friend, is a serious indication of self esteem problems. Ever thought about therapy?

Nice try bill but I'm not your friend and your writings benefit no one, especially me. You seem to think there's nothing to life without a belief in a god or you wouldn't have posted what you did. There are no gods at the core of my life bill. And as far as learning from you-the only thing anyone could learn is not to be like you.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Nice try bill but I'm not your friend and your writings benefit no one, especially me. You seem to think there's nothing to life without a belief in a god or you wouldn't have posted what you did. There are no gods at the core of my life bill. And as far as learning from you-the only thing anyone could learn is not to be like you.

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Bill is to be pitied, & he's also dangerous. I hope those people that read this forum that he's trying to reach, are reading closely & see him for what he really is.

Hi Bill Gr,

The proof is in the pudding. From what we write and how we communicate on this very forum, I wonder who our fellows here perceive having a more genuinely, happy, peaceful, motivated, love-filled and productive life -- you or me? I wonder who they perceive is more self-centered?? I wonder who they perceive is more full of fear and bitterness? I wonder who they perceive is more full of regret and guilt? I wonder who they perceive has the genuine character to love and care for others on a daily basis.

In reason,

A.

As with many things that we all post on here personal biases and prejudges, which to some degree we all have, effect the way we see things and interpret other's post and writings.  While you may receive confirming replies that agree with you from some others would feel and judge quite differently.  We all see through filtered glasses whether or not we are willing to admit it. Frankly I prefer not to make those judgments for mine is to judge my own self for whom I'm primarily responsible.


No doubt Bill sees his writings and post far differently than many others perceive them and no doubt the very same applies in reverse.  If you are attempting to make judgments about each person's lives based upon their responses on here that is such a small sample, and a highly skewed one, that it would do you, nor them, justice. 


Some would judge that all of us, based upon the time we spend debating, discussing, arguing, preaching ( preaching can apply to Christians, Atheist, Mormons, Muslims or anyone else who post regarding their own beliefs), that none of us have too many constructive things to do as it is.


As for a personal statement, the only fears I have these days are fear of time, or better said not having more time with my grandkids and family to enjoy life and the family experiences.  Fear for their futures based upon my own slanted perception of the world as I see it.   Fear that I will not be able to intercept them before they make mistakes or do things that hurt them.  Natural fears for any Grandparent or parent.  Just my own personal opinion mind you.

Originally Posted by gbrk:

As with many things that we all post on here personal biases and prejudges, which to some degree we all have, effect the way we see things and interpret other's post and writings.  While you may receive confirming replies that agree with you from some others would feel and judge quite differently.  We all see through filtered glasses whether or not we are willing to admit it. Frankly I prefer not to make those judgments for mine is to judge my own self for whom I'm primarily responsible.


No doubt Bill sees his writings and post far differently than many others perceive them and no doubt the very same applies in reverse.  If you are attempting to make judgments about each person's lives based upon their responses on here that is such a small sample, and a highly skewed one, that it would do you, nor them, justice. 


Some would judge that all of us, based upon the time we spend debating, discussing, arguing, preaching ( preaching can apply to Christians, Atheist, Mormons, Muslims or anyone else who post regarding their own beliefs), that none of us have too many constructive things to do as it is.


As for a personal statement, the only fears I have these days are fear of time, or better said not having more time with my grandkids and family to enjoy life and the family experiences.  Fear for their futures based upon my own slanted perception of the world as I see it.   Fear that I will not be able to intercept them before they make mistakes or do things that hurt them.  Natural fears for any Grandparent or parent.  Just my own personal opinion mind you.

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Congratulations, GBRK.  You are today's winner of the Stop Making Sense Award.  Extra points to you for lesson's we should all take to heart.  Good job.

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Congratulations, GBRK.  You are today's winner of the Stop Making Sense Award.  Extra points to you for lesson's we should all take to heart.  Good job.

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Stop Making Sense Award? Unless I'm missing something, should it not be Start Making Sense Award? It's late, maybe I should go to bed & get some sleep.   


 

Originally Posted by A. Robustus:

Hi Bill Gr,
The proof is in the pudding. From what we write and how we communicate on this very forum, I wonder who our fellows here perceive having a more genuinely, happy, peaceful, motivated, love-filled and productive life -- you or me? I wonder who they perceive is more self-centered?? I wonder who they perceive is more full of fear and bitterness? I wonder who they perceive is more full of regret and guilt? I wonder who they perceive has the genuine character to love and care for others on a daily basis.
In reason,
A.

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I wonder who our fellows here perceive having a more genuinely, happy, peaceful, motivated, love-filled and productive life -- you or me? A

 

I wonder who they perceive is more self-centered??  Bill

 

I wonder who they perceive is more full of fear and bitterness? Bill

 

I wonder who they perceive is more full of regret and guilt?  Bill

 

I wonder who they perceive has the genuine character to love and care for others on a daily basis?  A

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by A. Robustus:

Hi Bill Gr,
The proof is in the pudding. From what we write and how we communicate on this very forum, I wonder who our fellows here perceive having a more genuinely, happy, peaceful, motivated, love-filled and productive life -- you or me? I wonder who they perceive is more self-centered?? I wonder who they perceive is more full of fear and bitterness? I wonder who they perceive is more full of regret and guilt? I wonder who they perceive has the genuine character to love and care for others on a daily basis.
In reason,
A.

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I wonder who our fellows here perceive having a more genuinely, happy, peaceful, motivated, love-filled and productive life -- you or me? A

 

I wonder who they perceive is more self-centered??  Bill

 

I wonder who they perceive is more full of fear and bitterness? Bill

 

I wonder who they perceive is more full of regret and guilt?  Bill

 

I wonder who they perceive has the genuine character to love and care for others on a daily basis?  A

 

 

 
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Wait..Wait, don't tell me, I think I've got it, It's either me or semi,

 

OK, Looks like Semi hands down.

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It is instinct as well that would make me avoid the man in the picture.  While that many tattoos make a statement and aren't to my taste (I mean all over his head and neck that way), it is the energy that comes off of him and his eyes that give me the creeps.  It doesn't have to do with his religion or lack of one, but what he projects, that makes my hair stand on end.  We were given the gift of fear to keep us safe, and if we listen to that inner voice that says something isn't safe we live longer.

I guess everyone's perception is different.  He looks a little more focused in the second picture than the first, but I just feel sad when I look at him.  I see a broken person who can't take back what was done to him or what he has done...I see a d a m ned soul, a lost soul with no home...it's just sad.  I'm not sure it's sympathy I feel for him exactly...just sad to see a human life wasted and likely past redemption.  I want him to be well, not just to prevent him hurting others but for his own mental and spiritual wounds.

 

I don't feel threatened by the pictures, but then I'm not a child and the person taking the picture was not a child.  He might look more threatening to me if I were his prey.  Just saying that does give me the creeps, but I am thinking he's not so threatening with adults.

 

 

His energy isn't evil, and I would agree with you, Joy, that he needs healing in a serious way.  I feel for whatever he has gone through in his life, but I recognize that look as one I have seen on predators' faces before, and adults aren't always safe around a child predator either.  There is hurt, sadness, anger, and I agree that it is sad to see a wasted life.  

 

It just reinforces to me that what we do to each other does matter.  Who knows where his course went wrong?  I don't know his history, but a small nastiness can damage a person sometimes as much as overt abuse.  You make good points here, Joy.

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