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quote:  Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

Atheists get out of bed for all sorts of reasons.  We work, we have families we love and support.  We have friends we socialize with.  We have hobbies.  We have dogs, cats, other pets.  We go to movies, we do ordinary things like anyone else.  We look forward to all sorts of things.  Retirement, grandchildren, travel, more time to be with family and friends.  Our lives center around our loved ones bill.  You are a sad sad person if you think a belief in a god is all there is to life.  Pitiful pitiful man. As usual your view is messed up.  One thing I can tell you is this, you seem a heck of a lot more self centered than anyone, atheist or christian, that I know.


Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Jennifer,

Now I think I see the problem.  You have trouble seeing; possibly an "eye problem" or more clearly stated, an "I problem."   God is not all there is to our lives.  It is just that God is the Core -- and from Him flows all that is good in our lives.  You see, God is the Nucleus around which our Atomic Spiritual Life is built.  Without that Nucleus -- there is no Spiritual Life.

And, Jennifer, thank you for being my Friend.  Thank you for being so concerned with what I write.  I pray my writings will continue to benefit you, all of our Forum Friends, and me.  May we all learn together.

Bill

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OMG! Bill, you just don't stop, do you? You take a perfectly sensible post from Jenn & try to turn it into the negative.

 

I, for one, am concerned about what you write & the people that you often mislead & those that you turn away from Christianity. Your wearing the Christian hat to fool good people. It's a shame!

 

Anyone that constantly calls people his friends that have told you they are not your friend, is a serious indication of self esteem problems. Ever thought about therapy?

Nice try bill but I'm not your friend and your writings benefit no one, especially me. You seem to think there's nothing to life without a belief in a god or you wouldn't have posted what you did. There are no gods at the core of my life bill. And as far as learning from you-the only thing anyone could learn is not to be like you.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Nice try bill but I'm not your friend and your writings benefit no one, especially me. You seem to think there's nothing to life without a belief in a god or you wouldn't have posted what you did. There are no gods at the core of my life bill. And as far as learning from you-the only thing anyone could learn is not to be like you.

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Bill is to be pitied, & he's also dangerous. I hope those people that read this forum that he's trying to reach, are reading closely & see him for what he really is.

Hi Bill Gr,

The proof is in the pudding. From what we write and how we communicate on this very forum, I wonder who our fellows here perceive having a more genuinely, happy, peaceful, motivated, love-filled and productive life -- you or me? I wonder who they perceive is more self-centered?? I wonder who they perceive is more full of fear and bitterness? I wonder who they perceive is more full of regret and guilt? I wonder who they perceive has the genuine character to love and care for others on a daily basis.

In reason,

A.

As with many things that we all post on here personal biases and prejudges, which to some degree we all have, effect the way we see things and interpret other's post and writings.  While you may receive confirming replies that agree with you from some others would feel and judge quite differently.  We all see through filtered glasses whether or not we are willing to admit it. Frankly I prefer not to make those judgments for mine is to judge my own self for whom I'm primarily responsible.


No doubt Bill sees his writings and post far differently than many others perceive them and no doubt the very same applies in reverse.  If you are attempting to make judgments about each person's lives based upon their responses on here that is such a small sample, and a highly skewed one, that it would do you, nor them, justice. 


Some would judge that all of us, based upon the time we spend debating, discussing, arguing, preaching ( preaching can apply to Christians, Atheist, Mormons, Muslims or anyone else who post regarding their own beliefs), that none of us have too many constructive things to do as it is.


As for a personal statement, the only fears I have these days are fear of time, or better said not having more time with my grandkids and family to enjoy life and the family experiences.  Fear for their futures based upon my own slanted perception of the world as I see it.   Fear that I will not be able to intercept them before they make mistakes or do things that hurt them.  Natural fears for any Grandparent or parent.  Just my own personal opinion mind you.

Originally Posted by gbrk:

As with many things that we all post on here personal biases and prejudges, which to some degree we all have, effect the way we see things and interpret other's post and writings.  While you may receive confirming replies that agree with you from some others would feel and judge quite differently.  We all see through filtered glasses whether or not we are willing to admit it. Frankly I prefer not to make those judgments for mine is to judge my own self for whom I'm primarily responsible.


No doubt Bill sees his writings and post far differently than many others perceive them and no doubt the very same applies in reverse.  If you are attempting to make judgments about each person's lives based upon their responses on here that is such a small sample, and a highly skewed one, that it would do you, nor them, justice. 


Some would judge that all of us, based upon the time we spend debating, discussing, arguing, preaching ( preaching can apply to Christians, Atheist, Mormons, Muslims or anyone else who post regarding their own beliefs), that none of us have too many constructive things to do as it is.


As for a personal statement, the only fears I have these days are fear of time, or better said not having more time with my grandkids and family to enjoy life and the family experiences.  Fear for their futures based upon my own slanted perception of the world as I see it.   Fear that I will not be able to intercept them before they make mistakes or do things that hurt them.  Natural fears for any Grandparent or parent.  Just my own personal opinion mind you.

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Congratulations, GBRK.  You are today's winner of the Stop Making Sense Award.  Extra points to you for lesson's we should all take to heart.  Good job.

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Congratulations, GBRK.  You are today's winner of the Stop Making Sense Award.  Extra points to you for lesson's we should all take to heart.  Good job.

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Stop Making Sense Award? Unless I'm missing something, should it not be Start Making Sense Award? It's late, maybe I should go to bed & get some sleep.   


 

Originally Posted by A. Robustus:

Hi Bill Gr,
The proof is in the pudding. From what we write and how we communicate on this very forum, I wonder who our fellows here perceive having a more genuinely, happy, peaceful, motivated, love-filled and productive life -- you or me? I wonder who they perceive is more self-centered?? I wonder who they perceive is more full of fear and bitterness? I wonder who they perceive is more full of regret and guilt? I wonder who they perceive has the genuine character to love and care for others on a daily basis.
In reason,
A.

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I wonder who our fellows here perceive having a more genuinely, happy, peaceful, motivated, love-filled and productive life -- you or me? A

 

I wonder who they perceive is more self-centered??  Bill

 

I wonder who they perceive is more full of fear and bitterness? Bill

 

I wonder who they perceive is more full of regret and guilt?  Bill

 

I wonder who they perceive has the genuine character to love and care for others on a daily basis?  A

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by A. Robustus:

Hi Bill Gr,
The proof is in the pudding. From what we write and how we communicate on this very forum, I wonder who our fellows here perceive having a more genuinely, happy, peaceful, motivated, love-filled and productive life -- you or me? I wonder who they perceive is more self-centered?? I wonder who they perceive is more full of fear and bitterness? I wonder who they perceive is more full of regret and guilt? I wonder who they perceive has the genuine character to love and care for others on a daily basis.
In reason,
A.

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I wonder who our fellows here perceive having a more genuinely, happy, peaceful, motivated, love-filled and productive life -- you or me? A

 

I wonder who they perceive is more self-centered??  Bill

 

I wonder who they perceive is more full of fear and bitterness? Bill

 

I wonder who they perceive is more full of regret and guilt?  Bill

 

I wonder who they perceive has the genuine character to love and care for others on a daily basis?  A

 

 

 
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Wait..Wait, don't tell me, I think I've got it, It's either me or semi,

 

OK, Looks like Semi hands down.

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It is instinct as well that would make me avoid the man in the picture.  While that many tattoos make a statement and aren't to my taste (I mean all over his head and neck that way), it is the energy that comes off of him and his eyes that give me the creeps.  It doesn't have to do with his religion or lack of one, but what he projects, that makes my hair stand on end.  We were given the gift of fear to keep us safe, and if we listen to that inner voice that says something isn't safe we live longer.

I guess everyone's perception is different.  He looks a little more focused in the second picture than the first, but I just feel sad when I look at him.  I see a broken person who can't take back what was done to him or what he has done...I see a d a m ned soul, a lost soul with no home...it's just sad.  I'm not sure it's sympathy I feel for him exactly...just sad to see a human life wasted and likely past redemption.  I want him to be well, not just to prevent him hurting others but for his own mental and spiritual wounds.

 

I don't feel threatened by the pictures, but then I'm not a child and the person taking the picture was not a child.  He might look more threatening to me if I were his prey.  Just saying that does give me the creeps, but I am thinking he's not so threatening with adults.

 

 

His energy isn't evil, and I would agree with you, Joy, that he needs healing in a serious way.  I feel for whatever he has gone through in his life, but I recognize that look as one I have seen on predators' faces before, and adults aren't always safe around a child predator either.  There is hurt, sadness, anger, and I agree that it is sad to see a wasted life.  

 

It just reinforces to me that what we do to each other does matter.  Who knows where his course went wrong?  I don't know his history, but a small nastiness can damage a person sometimes as much as overt abuse.  You make good points here, Joy.

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