DF, he's talking about ME. Read his post. I think I'm beginning to see his problem.
One word, billy: Viagra
(I can see hunky dory in the back ground, shaking her head and screaming ,"nooooooooo")
It also shows what an astute man he is. If he interprets the bible with as much wisdom as he has judged me he's on the money. Ya'll need to listen to him, he's smart.
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quote:Originally posted by Micah_Eaton:quote:I worship where we make the melody (music) in our hearts. "The Lord is in His holy temple. Let us keep silence before him."
here are a few verses:2Sa 6:5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.
1Ch 13:8 And David and all Israel played before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets.
Ps 68:25 The singers went before, the players on instruments followed after; among them were the damsels playing with timbrels.
And by the way I agree with Joy somewhat, I dont beleive it is a sin, but I dont think we should say one another is wrong.
All your references are from the Old Testament. Do you offer animal sacrifices or worship on the Sabbath?
quote:Originally posted by what4:quote:Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:quote:Originally posted by Micah_Eaton:quote:If you're going to a worship service to hear the music, then you're going to be entertained and not to worship, Micah.There's a little turkey in all of us...
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Let me ask you a question, When you are at church Would you rather worship with people that play great music with it, or an out of key of time worship band?
I worship where we make the melody (music) in our hearts. "The Lord is in His holy temple. Let us keep silence before him."
Lu 19:37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
Lu 19:38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
Lu 19:39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
Lu 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
Your going to really fill out of place in heaven if you keep this attitude.
I simply mean that we should worship the Lord "decently" and "in order." For what it's worth, I have been known to sing "Drop Kick Me, Jesus" in more or less private settings.
Firenze, I think bill and what4 could make heaven a living hell. can you imagine an eternity in their vicinity?
quote:Originally posted by what4:quote:Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
[QUOTE]If you're going to a worship service to hear the music, then you're going to be entertained and not to worship, Micah.QUOTE]
I worship where we make the melody (music) in our hearts. "The Lord is in His holy temple. Let us keep silence before him."
Psalm 150
Ps 150:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
Ps 150:2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
Ps 150:3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
Ps 150:4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
Ps 150:5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
Ps 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD
Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Have you ever looked at the word melody to know what it means?
yavllw Psallo (psal'-lo);
Word Origin: Greek, Verb, Strong #: 5567
to pluck off, pull out
to cause to vibrate by touching, to twang
to touch or strike the chord, to twang the strings of a musical instrument so that they gently vibrate
to play on a stringed instrument, to play, the harp, etc.
to sing to the music of the harp
in the NT to sing a hymn, to celebrate the praises of God in song
Mt 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
Mt 11:17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
It is obvious that Jesus has no problem with music or even dancing. If I play music, shout halleluiah, or dance before the Lord don’t stop me.
2sa 6:14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.
2sa 6:16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart.
2sa 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
1co 14:7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
Paul mentions musical instruments to the Corinthian church without giving them any negative connotations.
Lu 19:37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
Lu 19:38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
Lu 19:39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
Lu 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
Jesus is not intimidated or embarrassed by those who worship and praise Him loudly. On the contrary, He takes pleasure in such. You on the other hand are rebuking those who are not quiet like you. Don’t you think that something is wrong with this picture?
I think you misunderstand part of my meaning. I simply don't find a rock band to be respectful, any more than I do those who call Jehovah Dad. Believe me, I've heard them on television. Part of my post was in reference to a cartoon I once saw where two distinguished gentlemen were forced to listen to a rock band during a worship service.
Again, your references to musical instruments are from the OT. Do you want me to go out and butcher a cow to show God how much I love him? He doesn't require it. No, God didn't say to not use musical instruments, any more than he said not to use popcorn and molasses during the Lord's Supper.
quote:Originally posted by Micah_Eaton:
I think I might open a can of worms,so please don`t take this personal! Were you saved at the time of marriage? If neither one of you
were then you have nothing to worry about! The reason I want to share this is because I know a few people who are wanting to marry a non-believer, hoping they can convert them!!
This is unbiblical and it will surely fail.
Read these
scriptures please:
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with
unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness
with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light
with darkness?
On the other hand there have been a lot of cases
where
one of them gets saved and the other one doesn't! Let me tell you unless she is practicing black magic, don't
divorce her/him, pray for them! God can work miracles in both of your lives! I don`t
think divorce is an option! And I
know I will get jumped on because I'm divorced! Let me tell you even after three affairs I forgave her, and when she told me she was in love with another man I still tried to hold it together, I realized I wasn't perfect and it was when I was not walking with my Savior! I tried to get help through counseling but to no avail. Anyway If we had been walking with God at
the time we would still be happy!
Micah Eaton
Whoa, there boy, you're condeming a lot of marriages there. I may not agree with atheism, or Catholicism, or several other isms, but if I marry one (assuming we're both free to marry), then we're married in the eyes of the Lord.
quote:Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:quote:Originally posted by Micah_Eaton:quote:I worship where we make the melody (music) in our hearts. "The Lord is in His holy temple. Let us keep silence before him."
here are a few verses:2Sa 6:5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.
1Ch 13:8 And David and all Israel played before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets.
Ps 68:25 The singers went before, the players on instruments followed after; among them were the damsels playing with timbrels.
And by the way I agree with Joy somewhat, I dont beleive it is a sin, but I dont think we should say one another is wrong.
All your references are from the Old Testament. Do you offer animal sacrifices or worship on the Sabbath?
Look again. I gave you other scriptures as well. The only way that worship has changed is that Jesus has abolished the sacrifices and formal ceremonies of the priests, and we now can go directly to the Father through Jesus Christ. We need no man outside of Jesus Christ to be our mediator. Jesus was the God of the Universe from the very beginning. He never complained when people worshiped Him before with music, or with dance. Why in the world do you all of a sudden think that He now despises this means of worship? Much in the Old Testament is pictures and symbols of what was to come in Jesus Christ, and are now no longer necessary since Jesus has fulfilled the promises that they pointed to. Although the law was in effect, the law never saved one man. No man can live up to the law. Rather it makes man aware that he is a sinner that must rely totally on the grace of God. Man has always been saved by faith. God’s plan of salvation has never changed. Music, worship, praise, singing, and dancing, are not commandments of the law. These were not sacraments or formal ceremonies. These are just expressions of worship and praise to the very same God of the universe that we have today. These things were not abolished when Jesus fulfilled the law. These are simply ways to worship God and God approves of them all. I don't recall songbooks being mentioned in the New Testament, but I guarantee that you have them. You are little different than the Pharisees of the New Testament. You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. Get real. Tell me how all of a sudden these things are not acceptable. Reveal to me the scripture where God says I can't stand people worshipping me in these ways anymore.
Mt 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
Mt 11:17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
By the way, if rock music is your problem, you might should specify that instead of trying to tell people to be quiet before God. There are certain types of music I have a little issue with. Yet, everytime the style of music has changed there has always been a resistance to it. When it comes to style, I have to let each person draw their own conclusion. God hasn't given me that mission to wipe out the music that I'm not in agreement with.
First to Michah: This is not just a Christian board. I'm a Christian. GoFish isn't. We're both welcome here. Don't tell him or anyone else they're not welcome. Second, son, if you waited until your wife's fourth affair to divorce her, you're not playing with a full deck.
Second to Bill: Vick has a sense of humor--she's not being vulgar. DF has a sense of humor, albeit a masculine one (we have to excuse men more than women, you know). They both have friends on here who are Christians, semi-Christians, Morons, and Anteaters. Nobody in their right mind would not love either Vick or DF. Your disparagement of them might impress someone with a low IQ like (you fill in the blank), but it doesn't wash with most of us.
I have not previously said anything about your using this forum in your online ministry, but now I will. You see the people on this forum as either guinea pigs or tools to whatever ends you seek with your web column. If enough of us complained to the moderators about you, I'm sure you would be barred. Something to think about?
Second to Bill: Vick has a sense of humor--she's not being vulgar. DF has a sense of humor, albeit a masculine one (we have to excuse men more than women, you know). They both have friends on here who are Christians, semi-Christians, Morons, and Anteaters. Nobody in their right mind would not love either Vick or DF. Your disparagement of them might impress someone with a low IQ like (you fill in the blank), but it doesn't wash with most of us.
I have not previously said anything about your using this forum in your online ministry, but now I will. You see the people on this forum as either guinea pigs or tools to whatever ends you seek with your web column. If enough of us complained to the moderators about you, I'm sure you would be barred. Something to think about?
quote:Originally posted by what4:quote:Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:quote:Originally posted by Micah_Eaton:quote:I worship where we make the melody (music) in our hearts. "The Lord is in His holy temple. Let us keep silence before him."
here are a few verses:2Sa 6:5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.
1Ch 13:8 And David and all Israel played before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets.
Ps 68:25 The singers went before, the players on instruments followed after; among them were the damsels playing with timbrels.
And by the way I agree with Joy somewhat, I dont beleive it is a sin, but I dont think we should say one another is wrong.
All your references are from the Old Testament. Do you offer animal sacrifices or worship on the Sabbath?
Look again. I gave you other scriptures as well. The only way that worship has changed is that Jesus has abolished the sacrifices and formal ceremonies of the priests, and we now can go directly to the Father through Jesus Christ. We need no man outside of Jesus Christ to be our mediator. Jesus was the God of the Universe from the very beginning. He never complained when people worshiped Him before with music, or with dance. Why in the world do you all of a sudden think that He now despises this means of worship? Much in the Old Testament is pictures and symbols of what was to come in Jesus Christ, and are now no longer necessary since Jesus has fulfilled the promises that they pointed to. Although the law was in effect, the law never saved one man. No man can live up to the law. Rather it makes man aware that he is a sinner that must rely totally on the grace of God. Man has always been saved by faith. God’s plan of salvation has never changed. Music, worship, praise, singing, and dancing, are not commandments of the law. These were not sacraments or formal ceremonies. These are just expressions of worship and praise to the very same God of the universe that we have today. These things were not abolished when Jesus fulfilled the law. These are simply ways to worship God and God approves of them all. I don't recall songbooks being mentioned in the New Testament, but I guarantee that you have them. You are little different than the Pharisees of the New Testament. You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. Get real. Tell me how all of a sudden these things are not acceptable. Reveal to me the scripture where God says I can't stand people worshipping me in these ways anymore.
Mt 11:16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
Mt 11:17 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
By the way, if rock music is your problem, you might should specify that instead of trying to tell people to be quiet before God. There are certain types of music I have a little issue with. Yet, everytime the style of music has changed there has always been a resistance to it. When it comes to style, I have to let each person draw their own conclusion. God hasn't given me that mission to wipe out the music that I'm not in agreement with.
If you think animal sacrifice is the only OT principal done away with by Jesus' death, I assume you worship on Saturday, offer up incense, and every 49 years return to the original owner any land you or your parents have purchased?
quote:Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
All your references are from the Old Testament. Do you offer animal sacrifices or worship on the Sabbath?
If you think animal sacrifice is the only OT principal done away with by Jesus' death, I assume you worship on Saturday, offer up incense, and every 49 years return to the original owner any land you or your parents have purchased?[/QUOTE]
As far as worshipping on Saturday, that's up to the individual. I personally follow the pattern of those in the New Testament. But again, those things done away with in the old law are clearly specified. What Christ has made clean let no man call unclean. Much in the Old Testament were shadows of things to come and have been fulfilled in Christ. Music and dance are not such shadows but are simply ways that man can worship God. So where does it say that music, or dance is no longer acceptable? You don't disregard every example of worship just because you can't find it listed specifically in the new testament letters. You may recall John saying if everything was written down that Jesus did, there would not be room to contain it. The things that have been abolished are clear, or at least understandable as no longer necessary. Music was never abolished. It isn't even associated with the Law. It was acceptable long ago, and it is acceptable now.
quote:Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
Whoa, there boy, you're condeming a lot of marriages there. I may not agree with atheism, or Catholicism, or several other isms, but if I marry one (assuming we're both free to marry), then we're married in the eyes of the Lord.
Firenz, You have totally missed what he said. He has condemned nobody's marraige. He says that if even you are married to a person practicing black magic then don't leave him or her. When it comes to who we choose in marriage it has always been clear from day one for Christians to marry those who are Christians. When God's people marry those outside the faith it can be a source of much contention and strife. Those who abide by God's ways will save themselves all sorts of problems. Yet those who fail to marry in the Lord, will still be married in the eyes of the Lord. That won't excuse the Christian from His foolishness though.
Although it doesn't say so in the bible, I believe people are asking for trouble by marrying those outside of their chosen denominations. Denominations in Christ shouldn't even exist, yet they do. Since they do, and people have strong feelings where that is concerned, then they need to get such issues as that straight up front. There may be no issue until children come alone, and then the trouble starts. But as far as I know, this is not specidically identified in the scriptures. It is only my opinion. Everybody has one.
quote:Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
Second, son, if you waited until your wife's fourth affair to divorce her, you're not playing with a full deck.
Firenz, Just because a person loves their wife and are willing to forgive them up to 3 times, doesn't mean they are not playing with a full deck. The church is regarded as a bride that will be presented to Christ. Yet how many times do people turn away from God and repent, and Jesus still forgives them? It's good that Jesus doesn't have the attitude that you do.
In my case, I would probably have problems forgiving. It would certainly take the grace of God to give me the ability to forgive. Yet everyone must make their own decisions on such matters. I will not tell someone to call it quits. That is their own call. We are given permission by God to divorce because of adultery. Yet Jesus never said we had to divorce because of it.
If Micah and his wife had made the marriage work after he forgave her three times, then what would you have said? Mercy and forgiveness should not be considered a stupid thing. Only turning your head and pretending it's not happening is foolish. What a person chooses in such situations is their business and nobody elses.
quote:Originally posted by vick13:
DF, he's talking about ME. Read his post. I think I'm beginning to see his problem.
One word, billy: Viagra
(I can see hunky dory in the back ground, shaking her head and screaming ,"nooooooooo")
mr bill has certainly been a gentleman, to not rebuke your comments about his wife..
you don't even know mrs gray, tho that would not make it ok..surely you would not appreciate it, if someone spoke of your mother or grandmother that way..you have a great sense of humor, but to use it in this manner, just makes it disgusting..
Many things are disgusting. I find identity theft to be one of them.
As for Micah not divorcing his wife--of course the Bible doesn't say he had to. Women in my family have taken back serial philanderers, and I would say to them that they had a mental problem to have done so. Would you keep an employee in your hire who had stolen from you four times?
No, the Bible doesn't say we don't have to give up animal sacrifice, Sabbath worship, Jubilee, etc., but it does say not to add to the word of God and that all the old law was done away with.
As for Micah not divorcing his wife--of course the Bible doesn't say he had to. Women in my family have taken back serial philanderers, and I would say to them that they had a mental problem to have done so. Would you keep an employee in your hire who had stolen from you four times?
No, the Bible doesn't say we don't have to give up animal sacrifice, Sabbath worship, Jubilee, etc., but it does say not to add to the word of God and that all the old law was done away with.
quote:2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with
unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness
with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light
with darkness?
quote:Whoa, there boy, you're condeming a lot of marriages there.
FV, i think micah was just explaining the scripture he referenced..that is God's warning for the believer, not to be yoked with an unbeliever..
much the same as Matthew 12:25, "..every house divided against itself shall not stand." this is God's word, not micah's, mine, or anybody elses..it is telling us that there is a consequense for this action.......
but what someone does about that, is between them and God (my belief, not trying to answer for micah.)
*..all the old law was done away with.*
FV, Corinthians and Matthew are both in the New Testament..
quote:Many things are disgusting. I find identity theft to be one of them.
yes FV, identity theft is disgusting, and very wrong..that's why the TD got rid of the thief..
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quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Kindred,
You say, "Bill, you score points with me on some of your talk on the scripture, then you come on and call DF "DEEPFOOT" and talk about his childish pratter. Low blow, even for you. Do you not recognize when DF throws his wit in reply or have you gotten to the point that "SOME" people have on here, slinging insults???? Valid question here."
BILL'S RESPONSE: I am quite sure that DeepFat knows I am jesting when I poke fun at his pseudonym. As to childish pratter, he also knows I am not only responding to his jokes and barbs -- but, to his preaching of atheism in a Christian discussion.
You accuse me of a "low blow, even for you" -- but, what is that if not just another jab at me. When you say, "even for you" -- is that meant as a compliment or another "low blow"?
Kindred, you tell us that you are a Christian, which I have no reason to doubt. Yet, in most instances, you side with the atheists in these discussions. Whose side are you on: Jesus or the Atheists? Another valid question.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net
Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be a Christian American!
We are ALL sinners, and each and every day that God allows us to have is a blessing. We can only do the best that we can do.
Okay, on the atheist part, just because a HUMAN BEING proclaims atheism as their belief does NOT mean that God has turned His back on them, so does that mean that YOU should, or that I should? NO IT DON'T unless your Bible is different than mine.
Jesus Himself mingled with the worst sinners because He knew they were the ones who needed His help!!!!
As long as there is a breath in my body, I will err on the side of HUMAN BEINGS because that is the way I feel about it, I DO know a few atheist who has some of the most beautiful hearts I have ever seen. VERY loving, VERY caring and VERY giving. So in YOUR way of thinking, just because they are atheist and we are Christian we are supposed to treat them bad?
Sorry, not my brand of Christianity. I have hope for each and every living being on earth. I do NOT pick and choose who I want to care about or who I defend on their personalities.
I CAN and DO get past their belief to see the REAL HUMAN BEING, and I think I am right in doing that. How else can anyone reach out in the Christian way???? Otherwise, it is just "LIP SERVICE".
quote:Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
Many things are disgusting. I find identity theft to be one of them.
As for Micah not divorcing his wife--of course the Bible doesn't say he had to. Women in my family have taken back serial philanderers, and I would say to them that they had a mental problem to have done so. Would you keep an employee in your hire who had stolen from you four times?
No, the Bible doesn't say we don't have to give up animal sacrifice, Sabbath worship, Jubilee, etc., but it does say not to add to the word of God and that all the old law was done away with.
Sure it says we must give up animal sacrifice, Sabbath worship, etc. That was fulfilled when Christ came and fulfilled the Law. It is also clearly stated that those who practice such do not understand the grace of God.
As far as adding to the word of God, I believe you have left out a few things. See the below that you are probably referring to.
Re 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Many people such as you believe that this verse is referring to the entire bible, and since something is not mentioned then it was obviously left out on purpose. That line of logic is saying that we are wrong to include overhead projectors to facilitate worship or teaching. We are not to add or take away from the words of the prophesy of Revelation. This book was circulated long before it was collected in the group of books we call the New Testament. In order to preserve it exactly, without anybody trying to clarify it or paraphrase it when they duplicated it and passed that book on down, it is saying you better be clear to get it all as is without altering it one bit. The same care was taken when the scribes copied existing manuscripts. They would dot every i and cross every t. That is what that is referring to. It is not saying that just because it doesn't mention a organ being played in the church at Corinth, thatn we are wrong to have an organ in church. Again, you read much into the word of God that is never implied. You might want to do away with your air conditioners since that is not included in the New Testament.
As far as divorcing, all I'm saying is that calling someone a fool is a little much if they don't divorce. Hey, I can't see myself doing that either. But I just don't count myself as the source of wisdom for all. Everybody has to call the shots in their marriage as they see it. That's all I'm saying.
If you read what Micah says, he distinguishes between two unbelievers marrying, then one converting, and the case of a believer marrying a non-believer. While the Bible does admonish us not to marry a non-Christian, if one does so, the marriage should not be any less valid in the eyes of God. Micah therefore disparages such unions--this is something I would be very careful of... Of course, this might not have been Micah's intent, but it is how it reads.
Also, the subject of being yoked with a non-believer can just as easily refer to a Christian who goes into a business partnership with a non-believer. I don't hear this preached as often. Selective reasoning?
Also, the subject of being yoked with a non-believer can just as easily refer to a Christian who goes into a business partnership with a non-believer. I don't hear this preached as often. Selective reasoning?
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quote:
Originally posted by vick13:
DF, he's talking about ME. Read his post. I think I'm beginning to see his problem.
One word, billy: Viagra
(I can see hunky dory in the back ground, shaking her head and screaming ,"nooooooooo")
mr bill has certainly been a gentleman, to not rebuke your comments about his wife..
you don't even know mrs gray..surely you would not appreciate it, if someone spoke of your mother or grandmother that way..you have a great sense of humor, but to use it in this manner, just makes it disgusting..
Do YOU of all people want to start this again?
Her name is on the forum. Check the bottom of his posts. It's in his advertisement of his so called ministry. Advertisements with your name make you a public figure. As in "vote for me" ads, and "buy my
bs" ads. Shall we begin again, hippiegirl?
bs" ads. Shall we begin again, hippiegirl?
I assume he is either a virgin or has revirginized himself? Isn't that what saving oneself for marriage means? Either way, Micah is very young. And easily swayed. I worry about him with people like Bill.
Understand this: I don't give a rip what creatures like bill gray think of me, and not a drop what people like hippiegirl do either. (I have my own opions of that one.) but I am posting this to prove a point:
I am 53 years old, I've got three kids who are high functioning, intelligent, taxpaying parents and college students. I have been married for 24 years to a wonderful man (who helped me think of the last three posts because he, too despises hypocrites). I have been in a bar exactly twice in my life, both of which were while I was an Allstate agent in 1983 with the group from work. I did not drink, nor did I dance (because I'm clutzy) while I was in there. I don't drink at all because the drinks are too expensive, I don't like the taste - I have to have something disgustingly sweet to mask the taste and my father was an alcoholic.
I like to think if I wanted to entice someone like Micah into an evil liason though he MIGHT see vestiges of a woman who "was pretty when she was younger"!
And I'm Catholic. I am not a bible thumping, turning biblical passages into lies to suit my purpose. I think people who do are damaging to the very foundation of Christianity. I also think they do this for self aggrandization. Not because they "love God".
I try to use humor instead of spouting twisted quotes from the scripture to make a point.
If Bill's "sinful" radar is as sad and off center with the "gospel" as it is with his description of me, he is leading people in his "ministry" down a horrible path.
Thank you, Bill, for letting that mask of faux righteousness slip enough for your true self to show.
I am 53 years old, I've got three kids who are high functioning, intelligent, taxpaying parents and college students. I have been married for 24 years to a wonderful man (who helped me think of the last three posts because he, too despises hypocrites). I have been in a bar exactly twice in my life, both of which were while I was an Allstate agent in 1983 with the group from work. I did not drink, nor did I dance (because I'm clutzy) while I was in there. I don't drink at all because the drinks are too expensive, I don't like the taste - I have to have something disgustingly sweet to mask the taste and my father was an alcoholic.
I like to think if I wanted to entice someone like Micah into an evil liason though he MIGHT see vestiges of a woman who "was pretty when she was younger"!
And I'm Catholic. I am not a bible thumping, turning biblical passages into lies to suit my purpose. I think people who do are damaging to the very foundation of Christianity. I also think they do this for self aggrandization. Not because they "love God".
I try to use humor instead of spouting twisted quotes from the scripture to make a point.
If Bill's "sinful" radar is as sad and off center with the "gospel" as it is with his description of me, he is leading people in his "ministry" down a horrible path.
Thank you, Bill, for letting that mask of faux righteousness slip enough for your true self to show.
quote:Originally posted by what4:
When God's people marry those outside the faith it can be a source of much contention and strife.
I have 15 wonderful years of blissful, lustful, adventurous, love-filled years of marriage to a Christian woman that utterly blows your theory away.
Bravo, Vick. If any on here wish to debate scripture, that's fine. If someone wishes to question my logic, or my wording, or my interpretation, that's also fine. You're still my friend. I just find it extremely hard to see how someone who calls himself a Christian can single out those who think differently than he and begin some sort of smear campaign against them.
Sorry, Vick, sorry Joy,
Yeah, I know me meant Vick, but I guess I got a little angry, and mixed up the names. My bad.
Still, Bill has a lot of nerve. What he doesn't have is a lot of is love for fellow people and any tact whatever.
DF
Yeah, I know me meant Vick, but I guess I got a little angry, and mixed up the names. My bad.
Still, Bill has a lot of nerve. What he doesn't have is a lot of is love for fellow people and any tact whatever.
DF
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Sorry, Vick, sorry Joy,
Yeah, I know me meant Vick, but I guess I got a little angry, and mixed up the names. My bad.
Still, Bill has a lot of nerve. What he doesn't have is a lot of is love for fellow people and any tact whatever.
DF
DF, I agree with you. As a Christian and an avid Bible reader, I am taught to love my fellow man/woman no matter what. If I fail in that, I feel as though I fail the scripture.
It is not up to me to tell YOU what to believe or not to believe, just to show you what I believe and act as much accordingly as my imperfect mind will allow, and develop friendship and NOT to shut anyone out if they don't AGREE with my way of belief. Make sense?
Click on his links, look at them ALL. Agenda at work. DF he even "INTERVIEWED" you one one of them.
I am also appalled that a proclaimed Christain has so little tolerance of the people HE proclaims to want to help.
Bill is a turn-off even to me, and I am a Christian.
What4 and the others say very nice things, things I can mostly relate to, but nice never the less.
And debating scripture, yes, lets, ONE point at a time. Debating the entire Bible on a little bitty forum is just a bad place to even try.
That is the way I see it anyway.
quote:Originally posted by GoFish:quote:Originally posted by what4:
When God's people marry those outside the faith it can be a source of much contention and strife.
I have 15 wonderful years of blissful, lustful, adventurous, love-filled years of marriage to a Christian woman that utterly blows your theory away.
My friend, that is not my theory. It is God's word. Although I'm sure you and your wife love one another, I would say that her knowing that you are an atheist has caused her some grief. You may not be a great problem like some, because in spite of your opposition, you may still allow her to worship as she chooses. Yet, I'm also sure that she would prefer that you teach your children the love of Christ and help her in bringing them up in the Lord. It is hard to replace the man's influence. Your children will regard your opinion highly. If you tell your children to believe as they choose, and that it doesn't matter to you, and your wife tells them to believe in God and in Jesus Christ, they are receiving mixed messages. This relationship is not a problem for you. Yet the impact of you being an atheist in that home is going to be felt.
Can you recall how your wife felt when you told her that you were an atheist? My friend, that feeling has not completely gone away. She probably is reminded of it often. She sits in church without you. She prays without you. She talks to her children about God without you. She loves you, and I'm sure that she not only misses you at these times, but she also thinks about the condition of your soul from time to time. That is a reason for times of sadness for her. You don't see all of these things as she would, because God and Christianity is not important to you. She would prefer to know you for eternity, rather than just know you for a few years here in this life.
You are married in the eyes of God, even if you don't believe in Him. Your marriage contract is binding and should not be taken lightly. Marriage is holy in the eyes of God, even where both are not Christians. I would never expect anyone to divorce simply because one is a believer and one is not. I'm sure that your wife loves you dearly. You are probably good to her in many ways and she would probably never want to lose you. Yet my friend, there is a certain element in your home that is missing. The day you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord, You will know what I mean.
What4, I read what you said to GoFish, he probably won't though, I think he is out of town for the holiday.
Anyway, I prefer to use the analogy of "dislike the sin, NOT the sinner". I think that is the analogy of what Jesus taught when He walked the earth.
Therefore, I am sure that ANYONE who is unevenly yoked in faith WANTS the other party to change to their way of thinking, but it still won't shut off that "LOVE" valve.
In fact, that "LOVE" valve may be JUST what is needed for the end results, instead of trying to talk people OUT of their way of thinking, ya know
"Dislike the SIN, NOT the SINNER"
"Hate the SIN, NOT the SINNER".
All of us imperfect Human Beings are sinners.
Anyway, I prefer to use the analogy of "dislike the sin, NOT the sinner". I think that is the analogy of what Jesus taught when He walked the earth.
Therefore, I am sure that ANYONE who is unevenly yoked in faith WANTS the other party to change to their way of thinking, but it still won't shut off that "LOVE" valve.
In fact, that "LOVE" valve may be JUST what is needed for the end results, instead of trying to talk people OUT of their way of thinking, ya know
"Dislike the SIN, NOT the SINNER"
"Hate the SIN, NOT the SINNER".
All of us imperfect Human Beings are sinners.
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Sorry, Vick, sorry Joy,
Yeah, I know me meant Vick, but I guess I got a little angry, and mixed up the names. My bad.
Still, Bill has a lot of nerve. What he doesn't have is a lot of is love for fellow people and any tact whatever.
DF
Look, I see the light! It's dressed in a REAL purdy muumuu! See, I knew I'd come back today and understand what in the world is going on...haha.
I love every last one of you. We're all different. So what.
Everyone is free to state what they think on this forum as long as it falls within TD's guidelines. If you like it, agree. If you don't, disagree. No need to get your knickers in a twist over it. Life's too short to frown.
The bare bones of Christianity are a constant in every denomination. The rest is not important. Christ unites all believers because quite frankly, He doesn't give a hoot what denomination you belong to. If you are a believer, you are part of ONE Body of believers.
What we do ALL have in common is that we are all Americans & in America, we are free to believe what we want. Have at it.
Hi Fish,
Yesterday, in a posting, I said to you, "I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but you, Deep, and a few of our Scoffer Friends in the Forum have a very bad case of 'selective comprehension.' No matter how many times we tell you something, even if we put it in all CAPS, you still have trouble seeing and comprehending it. Must be some kind of disease. Could it be a side effect of the atheist 'Foot in Mouth' disease?"
Upon further reflection, I realized that this opening paragraph might seem to some to be very harsh. The statement might sound a bit like "tough love" -- which it is.
Sometimes you and DeepFat remind me very much of the story of the farmer who was selling his favorite mule. A new neighbor, freshly moved to the country from the big city was buying the mule. The farmer told him, "Nell is a gentle mule. Be gentle with her. You just have to tell her, 'Gitty up' and she will git going."
The city man took Nell's rein, told her, "Gitty up" -- and Nell just stood there. The farmer walked over, picked up a two by four board and hit the mule on the head. City slicker was aghast, "What are you doing?" he yelled. "You told me to be gentle with Nell!"
The old farmer smiled and replied, "Yes, but first, you have to get her attention."
I pray that I have somehow gotten your attention and that you and Deep will not always have such a closed mind where God and the Bible are concerned. I do care very much about you and about your eternal soul. I want to walk in heaven with you, Deep, and Vick one day.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net
Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be a Christian American!
Yesterday, in a posting, I said to you, "I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but you, Deep, and a few of our Scoffer Friends in the Forum have a very bad case of 'selective comprehension.' No matter how many times we tell you something, even if we put it in all CAPS, you still have trouble seeing and comprehending it. Must be some kind of disease. Could it be a side effect of the atheist 'Foot in Mouth' disease?"
Upon further reflection, I realized that this opening paragraph might seem to some to be very harsh. The statement might sound a bit like "tough love" -- which it is.
Sometimes you and DeepFat remind me very much of the story of the farmer who was selling his favorite mule. A new neighbor, freshly moved to the country from the big city was buying the mule. The farmer told him, "Nell is a gentle mule. Be gentle with her. You just have to tell her, 'Gitty up' and she will git going."
The city man took Nell's rein, told her, "Gitty up" -- and Nell just stood there. The farmer walked over, picked up a two by four board and hit the mule on the head. City slicker was aghast, "What are you doing?" he yelled. "You told me to be gentle with Nell!"
The old farmer smiled and replied, "Yes, but first, you have to get her attention."
I pray that I have somehow gotten your attention and that you and Deep will not always have such a closed mind where God and the Bible are concerned. I do care very much about you and about your eternal soul. I want to walk in heaven with you, Deep, and Vick one day.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net
Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be a Christian American!
quote:Originally posted by vick13:
Her name is on the forum. Check the bottom of his posts. It's in his advertisement of his so called ministry. Advertisements with your name make you a public figure. As in "vote for me" ads, and "buy my
bs" ads. Shall we begin again, hippiegirl?
her name might be on a billboard downtown, but that doesn't change the fact that your comments are rude and ugly..it would still be rude and ugly, toward ANYONE..surely you would be enraged, if someone spoke about your husband, sons, or family this way..
you are berating one of God's children (and we are ALL God's children), who Jesus died for....does your Catholic religion approve of this kind of stuff?....
"begin again?", i am not bothered by your cutting remarks toward me..spew any filth you choose..but i will not continually sit here and just watch you say vile things about others..to do so, would make it appear that i approve of such....
don't flatter yourself, i do not keep quiet, just so you will not spew it in my direction....i keep quiet till God tells me to speak, and i speak exactly as He directs me..
"vengeance..and the battle, are God's".. Rom12:19/2Chron20:15...i choose not to provoke His wrath, but you have at it, and get ready to be dealt with by God..Col3:6.
quote:Originally posted by Kindred:
What4, I read what you said to GoFish, he probably won't though, I think he is out of town for the holiday.
Anyway, I prefer to use the analogy of "dislike the sin, NOT the sinner". I think that is the analogy of what Jesus taught when He walked the earth.
Therefore, I am sure that ANYONE who is unevenly yoked in faith WANTS the other party to change to their way of thinking, but it still won't shut off that "LOVE" valve.
In fact, that "LOVE" valve may be JUST what is needed for the end results, instead of trying to talk people OUT of their way of thinking, ya know
"Dislike the SIN, NOT the SINNER"
"Hate the SIN, NOT the SINNER".
All of us imperfect Human Beings are sinners.
Kindred, you loose me quite often. This seems to be an intent to disagree with something I've said, but I can't figure out what. My response was to a statement that Christians should not marry unbelievers. I agreed with that. I'm sure you would too, if you believe the word of God. Yet, once married you are in it for keeps. If trouble rises between you, then you should have thought about that before getting married. Now why exactly this was brought up to begin with I'm not real sure. As far as I know, nobody is planning on getting married.
As far as hating sin and not the sinner, I don't believe that applies to people married, because usually they have no problem loving their partner. They normally don't marry them to begin with unless they love them. So do you see how you are confusing me here? I just don't follow where you are headed. You are in essence preaching to the choir when you talk about hating sin and loving the sinner. No debate here.
quote:Originally posted by vick13:
And I'm Catholic. I am not a bible thumping, turning biblical passages into lies to suit my purpose. I think people who do are damaging to the very foundation of Christianity. I also think they do this for self aggrandization. Not because they "love God".
Vick, why do you bother mentioning that you are a Catholic? You seem to attack people constantly and make hateful insults just for the fun it. Maybe that's your idea of humor, but it's not God's. You mention being a Catholic like that places you above everyone else who happens to believe in Jesus and the word of God. As far as turning scriptures into lies to suit your belief, I don't know what you believe besides that you are a Catholic and that you dislike people who quote scripture or attempt to share the gospel. I don't really believe you care what the bible says, so why would you try to twist it to suit your belief? If you would like to just show love instead of quoting scriptures, Hey I think that would be fine. However, I don't see love come through. I see mostly hateful attacks on others. I do have to say though that you are no hypocrite. Hypocrites state that they are a child of God and then live like the devil. I have never heard you state that you are a child of God, but only that you are a Catholic. Unless that is, you believe all Catholics are children of God. If that is the case, everybody should go be one and then live and talk however they want to. At least that seems to be your philosophy.
Now I know that you don't care what I think. I also know that I will probably get a lot of hateful replies from you and possibly some from others as well. I'm not in the business of trying to make everybody like me here. John the Baptist got his head cut off for speaking what was on his heart.
Lu 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
I specify Catholic so no one will confuse me with a fundamentalist "i'm the only one going to heaven" nut.
quote:I pray that I have somehow gotten your attention and that you and Deep will not always have such a closed mind where God and the Bible are concerned. I do care very much about you and about your eternal soul. I want to walk in heaven with you, Deep, and Vick one day.
Not with you, old boy. I'd find me another cloud.
So we sould throw the old testament away?
here are some NEW testament scriptures
Lu 19:37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
Lu 19:38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
Lu 19:39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
Lu 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
here are some NEW testament scriptures
Lu 19:37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
Lu 19:38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
Lu 19:39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.
Lu 19:40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
Hi Micah! How did the job go?
Along woith jesus! that will be wonderful!! I would happyly spent the eternity with thim!quote:Originally posted by vick13:
Firenze, I think bill and what4 could make heaven a living hell. can you imagine an eternity in their vicinity?
I'got to go to work, Bill you and What4 Keep them straight! I have defened you all, help me out! see you sometime in thr morning! God Bless you all, that includes Deep, Vick, Gofish and all my friend nave a blesed t-day! I have to work tonight and tomorrow! so eat something for me and pray for me! Micah