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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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It is all in the "key" you use.


I don't know about that, Bill. There is no "magic words" to be heard by God. God hears the prayers of ALL of us- even children. (who cannot be sure to get all of your "required" elements in there....

Please don't belittle this conversation to the level that we are "praying wrong".

Hi VP,

I can show you in the Bible that God hears the prayers of believers.

Can you show me any Scripture which tells us He hears ALL prayers of ALL people?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill



veep,


I know you're just tying to be nice to a old person. You know as well as
anyone God hears all prayers. Not just the ones he's told to hear by the
old person. Thats against what Christ stands for anyway.

Is Jesus God, or is he just another preacher in the church of chuck smith?
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by Gifted Child:
I know you're just tying to be nice to a old person.


V is nice that way.

Bill is one of those that has approached the end of a geological cycle of erosion.


LOL.


Gifted, yes, he hears ALL prayers. If He is omnipotent, how could He not?
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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It is all in the "key" you use.


I don't know about that, Bill. There is no "magic words" to be heard by God. God hears the prayers of ALL of us- even children. (who cannot be sure to get all of your "required" elements in there....

Please don't belittle this conversation to the level that we are "praying wrong".

Hi VP,

I can show you in the Bible that God hears the prayers of believers.

Can you show me any Scripture which tells us He hears ALL prayers of ALL people?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Do you not believe that God is omnipotent and omnipresent?
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by b50m:
Bill,
If he only hears believers, then how does one begin to believe?

Hi B,

Great question! Their believing begins when someone plants a "seed of salvation" in their heart. This may be through sharing the Gospel with this person -- or merely by showing Christian love for that person -- depending upon the situation.

When that seed is planted, the Holy Spirit begins to nourish it and, if demonic spirits do not smother it out by planting false teachings to cover it -- then, one day, the Holy Spirit will harvest that "seed of salvation" bringing another soul into the Family of God.

And, just think -- God has blessed we Christian believers with the responsibility of sowing those "seeds of salvation."

Happy Sowing and God bless,

Bill


So there you have it. If you haven't ever heard of Bill's version of god, or haven't been contacted by one of Bill's Brothers in Ignorance, then you are SOL. God doesn't care about you. End of story.
Billy Joe and Crusty, I'm sorry I didn't see your posts to me until today. It's been really busy around here.

All I can say to either of you is that since I asked God to take over my life and to help me to do His will in all things, my life has gotten so much better. (And it was pretty good to start with.) If all I pray about for MYSELF is to do His will, and His will has brought me to the point in my life I currently occupy, all I can do is thank Him. I know that doesn't satisfy your points, but it's the best I can do.

The only time I ask Him for things, is when I ask for the good of others. And He HAS answered! Right now my very best friend is dying of cancer. The doctors told him back in June that he only had about two weeks, but he's still here. It is getting very close now though. Every organ in his body is riddled with cancer, including his brain.

I never prayed for healing for him. What I have done is pray that he has no pain. And guess what? The doctors and Hospice workers are amazed that as close as he is to death, he truly has no pain. None at all. They would be able to tell if he did and was just trying to hide it. I myself have never seen him wince or jump, nor have I seen it in his eyes.

As a believer in science as God's way of doing things, I think that the cancer that is in his brain may have short curcuited the nerves that would have made him feel the pain. I could be wrong, but I just know that God has answered that prayer, and I am so grateful.
Nah, I'm the lucky one. He's the person I can tell the things I can't tell anyone else. He has helped me so much with my business too.

But the point is, God has answered the 27/7 prayer I've been sending up. And I know that when my turn comes, Jay will be one of the first to greet me when I get there.
O,

sorry to hear about your friend. I'm glad he's not in pain.

So many other terminal patients are, and their friends and families pray for them as earnestly as you have.

Yes, no, or we'll see.

When you praise god for this favor, do you accuse him of withholding such concern for the other terminal patients who die in pain? Is your friend that special? Have your prayers been that effective?

I submit that if you had prayed to the brick, your friend's fortunate situation would have been exactly the same.
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
But the brick is real! You can see it, you can touch it.

It's less loony than praying to an imaginary entity.

I'm glad you're comforted by your faith. I'm comforted in the knowledge that I have a firm grasp on reality.


You probably have a firm grasp on that brick too.
God is not imaginary to me. No loss of reality.
I know my name, the date, how long I have been married and how long 'spot the purple dinosaur' has been living under the house. See, all good!
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Originally posted by Kraven:
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
But the brick is real! You can see it, you can touch it.

It's less loony than praying to an imaginary entity.

I'm glad you're comforted by your faith. I'm comforted in the knowledge that I have a firm grasp on reality.



bj.....and a 50-50 chance.


That's what she said. Big Grin
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Originally posted by Kraven:
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
But the brick is real! You can see it, you can touch it.

It's less loony than praying to an imaginary entity.

I'm glad you're comforted by your faith. I'm comforted in the knowledge that I have a firm grasp on reality.



bj.....and a 50-50 chance.


It's nothing like a 50-50 chance.

It's a 99.999...% chance that I am right.

There is NO evidence that god exists.

It's the slightest possibility, but I am entitled with justification to announce my provisional conclusion that god does not exist.

All I ask is one small evidence for god. Spare me the poetry that nature is self-evidence for god, nature is self-evidence for nature.

Spare me origin of the universe arguments, we're done with them.

What, sir, is your evidence for god?

I'm all ears. I'm eager to convert to your way of thinking. All I need is a reason.
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
There is NO evidence that god exists.


I've finally figured out what my "evidence" is, or was.

I was born into a "Christian" home. My parents carried myself & my siblings to church. We were shown a book & told "this is the book of God" & we are to live by it.

I tried it for many years as an adult. There's one prayer in many unanswered that stood out that God Himself possibility answered. Or it could have been something that just happened. Possibly the expertise of the doctor's, & their training.

If it were God that answered that prayer, why that one out of thousands that have gone unanswered?

As a child & a young adult, my evidence is because my parents said it was evidence.
As a mature adult, I have no evidence.

This post makes no sense whatsoever!! Roll Eyes Big Grin
Made sense to me. Smiler

I was the same way. I believed because that is what my parents told me was the truth. I didn't really question religion until I was a young adult.

That is when I realized a whole lot of things that my parents had told me that were not exactly true. I have said before on here that I don't feel like they purposely tried to mislead me or lie to me. They really believed in religion and wanted to make sure that I went to heaven one day.

However now, I can not live a lie and pretend to believe in something that has no evidence, logic, or reason behind it. It's not that I lost my religion or faith it is more like I matured and had a better understanding of life and realized it was not based in reality. I know that christians hate it when someone compares belief in god and belief in santa, but that is exactly how I feel about it now. Neither of them are something I can believe now as an adult as I did when I was a child.
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Originally posted by House of David:
B50M,

If Jesus can meet St. Paul on the road to Emmaus. (and we all know the story, St. Paul certainly wasn't praying to Jesus, Paul was advocating stoning of Christ's followers)
But the point is Jesus interceded anyway.
IF HE will do that, then He must hear every prayer. He's sees all, and hears all.. Smiler


House. that is twice you have posted this business about Paul meeting Jesus on the road to Emmaus. You have the wrong road, House. Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus. The road to Emmaus was the location of a conversation between certain disciples of Jesus in the immediate aftermath of his resurrection. Paul's story was a few years later.
vplee 123 asks:

"Could it be just one day JUST ONE DAY of tolerance, peace and accepting people's beliefs as equally valid as their own???"

Sorry, vplee, but if I accepted all people's beliefs as equally valid as my own, I would be in the irrational position as accepting beliefs that are at polar opposites from mine as "equally valid" with mine. Others have an equally valid right to formulate and promote whatever religious views they might come up with, and I truly respect that right. But I am not obliged under the laws of God or man or by the tenets of niceness to accept views of others on religion, politics, or dry fly selection as equally valid with mine.

Do you really accept the ludicrous and loathsome religious beliefs of Scientologists and the God-denying beliefs of Atheists as equally valid to your religious beliefs?
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Do you really accept the ludicrous and loathesome religious beliefs of Scientologists and the God-denying beliefs of Atheists as equally valid to your religious beliefs?


Hey, Beter, obviously I don't accept and internalize their beliefs the same way I do my own.
But, like you, I do completely respect everyone's opinions and beliefs.
Is atheism equally valid? Scientology? Judaism? Muslim? Who am I to say? I know that I am called to be a Christian, and to live out that love every day. I know what is written in my heart.
I know that others feel conversely, with equal conviction.
Obviously, I will not internalize another religion as my own, but will uphold the right of others to do so..
As far as loathesome anti-God rants, you know? It just makes me sad. I can empathize with the Atheist- I've been there. Are their views equally valid? Sure! We all make our own conclusions, and I respect anyone who can defend their positions. Now, the anti-God smear and smack-talk? No respect- but no less than anti-semetic or Muslim smear..

Have a good day....V
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Do you really accept the ludicrous and loathesome religious beliefs of Scientologists and the God-denying beliefs of Atheists as equally valid to your religious beliefs?


Better, are you sure you're not Bill's brother?
One COC, one Fundy, yet you match perfectly. The indignant holier than thou attitudes oozes from you both.

Have a nice day.
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Originally posted by b50m:
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Do you really accept the ludicrous and loathesome religious beliefs of Scientologists and the God-denying beliefs of Atheists as equally valid to your religious beliefs?


Better, are you sure you're not Bill's brother?
One COC, one Fundy, yet you match perfectly. The indignant holier than thou attitudes oozes from you both.

Have a nice day.


Well, then, b50m, tell us how YOU would answer that question I put to vplee. You quoted the question, but you did not answer it. How 'bout you answer the question now, specifically:

"Do you really accept the ludicrous and loathsome religious beliefs of Scientologists and the God-denying beliefs of Atheists as equally valid as your religious beliefs?"
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Originally posted by Jankinonya:
Made sense to me. Smiler

I was the same way. I believed because that is what my parents told me was the truth. I didn't really question religion until I was a young adult.

That is when I realized a whole lot of things that my parents had told me that were not exactly true. I have said before on here that I don't feel like they purposely tried to mislead me or lie to me. They really believed in religion and wanted to make sure that I went to heaven one day.

However now, I can not live a lie and pretend to believe in something that has no evidence, logic, or reason behind it. It's not that I lost my religion or faith it is more like I matured and had a better understanding of life and realized it was not based in reality. I know that christians hate it when someone compares belief in god and belief in santa, but that is exactly how I feel about it now. Neither of them are something I can believe now as an adult as I did when I was a child.


Jank dear,

Your parents never told you anything that was not true. Even Santy.

You chose to morph your world into one that fit your model which required it to be a lie.

Not everyone returns from this world. Some remain in it.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by b50m:
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Do you really accept the ludicrous and loathesome religious beliefs of Scientologists and the God-denying beliefs of Atheists as equally valid to your religious beliefs?


Better, are you sure you're not Bill's brother?
One COC, one Fundy, yet you match perfectly. The indignant holier than thou attitudes oozes from you both.

Have a nice day.


Well, then, b50m, tell us how YOU would answer that question I put to vplee. You quoted the question, but you did not answer it. How 'bout you answer the question now, specifically:

"Do you really accept the ludicrous and loathsome religious beliefs of Scientologists and the God-denying beliefs of Atheists as equally valid as your religious beliefs?"


I don't have to accept them. They are not my beliefs. Are they valid? They are valid to the believer. Am I going to say they go to Hell because they are not Christian? No, I am not going to do that. If you and Bill want to do that, that is your prerogative. I am in no way qualified to pass judgment on some else's beliefs.

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