Here's the Federal rules for Grand Juries:  https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6

According to my understanding of it (however under-educated that may be on law), AG Barr is correct when he says he cannot legally release the Grand Jury information to Congress.   In my opinion, Congress, and specifically the Judiciary Committee, would have to petition the court that impaneled the grand jury for release of that information.  If the petition were granted, Congress would have to maintain the secrecy of the grand jury information according to this rule.

The President's attempt to invoke Executive Privilege over the grand jury information in the Mueller report is an unprecedented extension of that privilege.  

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/executive_privilege   

 

One problem with the Democrats crying that they can't see the Muller Report and that is Barr is only abiding by the law that the Democrats created and passed to keep the Starr report sealed and away from the eyes of the public.  One thing also that the Democrats and Liberal media and you have failed to acknowledge and admit to and that is that Barr has a less redacted version available to Congress that neither Nadler or Pelosi nor other Democrats that could read the document, at the Justice Department have taken the time and opportunity to read it.  What they have done is make political moves against Barr who is starting to investigate potentially illegal activities by Democrats or officials in the Obama Administration or those left over from the Obama Administration against the Trump campaign.  Those very political moves sound similar to Obstruction of Justice themselves but then we know only Trump can be accused of such.

Again ... Barr made a less redacted version (only Grand Jury testimony I believe was kept redacted). But NO DEMOCRATS have cared to view it rather only complain that the whole report hasn't been released.  Which by the way would be ILLEGAL due to laws that the Democrats themselves passed during the Starr report days.

gbrk posted:

One problem with the Democrats crying that they can't see the Muller Report and that is Barr is only abiding by the law that the Democrats created and passed to keep the Starr report sealed and away from the eyes of the public.  One thing also that the Democrats and Liberal media and you have failed to acknowledge and admit to and that is that Barr has a less redacted version available to Congress that neither Nadler or Pelosi nor other Democrats that could read the document, at the Justice Department have taken the time and opportunity to read it.  What they have done is make political moves against Barr who is starting to investigate potentially illegal activities by Democrats or officials in the Obama Administration or those left over from the Obama Administration against the Trump campaign.  Those very political moves sound similar to Obstruction of Justice themselves but then we know only Trump can be accused of such.

Again ... Barr made a less redacted version (only Grand Jury testimony I believe was kept redacted). But NO DEMOCRATS have cared to view it rather only complain that the whole report hasn't been released.  Which by the way would be ILLEGAL due to laws that the Democrats themselves passed during the Starr report days.

The Starr report was published, online, within 48 hours of being submitted. The House voted to publish it , 363-63.  Republicans made sure every lurid detail was described and couldn't have cared less about who was named/hurt in the process.

These laws were put in place to protect ongoing investigations or people who may flee the country, if the investigation was revealed, or people who would/may be harmed by information not relating to any charges from the investigation. The MAJORITY of the issues with 'Grand Jury' information is not pertinent, after the investigation concludes.

I wonder why Republicans never have the whole story.

L. Cranston posted:
gbrk posted:

One problem with the Democrats crying that they can't see the Muller Report and that is Barr is only abiding by the law that the Democrats created and passed to keep the Starr report sealed and away from the eyes of the public.  One thing also that the Democrats and Liberal media and you have failed to acknowledge and admit to and that is that Barr has a less redacted version available to Congress that neither Nadler or Pelosi nor other Democrats that could read the document, at the Justice Department have taken the time and opportunity to read it.  What they have done is make political moves against Barr who is starting to investigate potentially illegal activities by Democrats or officials in the Obama Administration or those left over from the Obama Administration against the Trump campaign.  Those very political moves sound similar to Obstruction of Justice themselves but then we know only Trump can be accused of such.

Again ... Barr made a less redacted version (only Grand Jury testimony I believe was kept redacted). But NO DEMOCRATS have cared to view it rather only complain that the whole report hasn't been released.  Which by the way would be ILLEGAL due to laws that the Democrats themselves passed during the Starr report days.

The Starr report was published, online, within 48 hours of being submitted. The House voted to publish it , 363-63.  Republicans made sure every lurid detail was described and couldn't have cared less about who was named/hurt in the process.

These laws were put in place to protect ongoing investigations or people who may flee the country, if the investigation was revealed, or people who would/may be harmed by information not relating to any charges from the investigation. The MAJORITY of the issues with 'Grand Jury' information is not pertinent, after the investigation concludes.

I wonder why Republicans never have the whole story.

I'm not saying that I don't see reasons for the Grand Jury exemption and redactions on testimony for even after the Grand Jury acts and even dissolves the importance of keeping secrecy or privacy is understood because it protects those who choose to testify and reveal information.  Not many would be so willing to testify if they knew that their testifying could be revealed to those they testify against, at some future moment after the Jury's duty is over, so I am not condemning the Democrats implementing this exception or protection.  I am condemning them  now wanting to ignore the very law they put in place to protect witnesses in the past not seemingly caring about the ones today.  If they deserve protection, before (which they did/do), then they deserve that protection today.   Even though the majority of the issues may not be pertinent that testimony should be protected none the less, or I believe it should be so that future potential witnesses will observe that protection and that it holds in place.

Also no comment on the fact that Barr has presented a much less redacted (with only Grand Jury Testimony left redacted) copy of the Muller report for reading at the Justice department such that those in need of knowing can know yet have, for some reason, chosen not to read that which was provided for them.  

It's difficult to claim that someone is keeping something from you when it's provided and you don't choose to use your opportunity to see it.  Realize also that Trump choosing to exercise Executive Privilege came only after congress  subpoenaed the full, un-redacted, report from Barr.  Barr was acting within the law and all Trump did was keep him from having to make the decision to break the law in order to keep with the subpoena or reject the subpoena in order to keep the law.   Democrats, just like many Republicans do, are playing politics rather than actually caring about the public's interest.  At least that's the way I see it.  

 

If anyone would look objectively at the last three years at what Trump
has been up against and being totally honest about the changes and
accomplishments would still say insane or just stupid leaves me knowing
who actually is the stupid, I'll still wonder why and just what drives the
stupidity without reason. 
Jack Hammer posted:
If anyone would look objectively at the last three years at what Trump
has been up against and being totally honest about the changes and
accomplishments would still say insane or just stupid leaves me knowing
who actually is the stupid, I'll still wonder why and just what drives the
stupidity without reason. 

When Obama was elected there was a number that were opposed to his election and felt that it was going to be bad on the Country and back in 2000 when Bush was finally declared winner over Gore there were many that felt robbed or that Gore had won but they along with those that hated Obama's election pale in comparison to the group (Republicans, aka "Never Trumpers" and Democrats/liberals) that hates Trump.  For whatever reason Donald Trump has people who cannot get over losing the 2016 election and they are continually incensed with no sign of ever calming down and getting over his victory.  

I, for one, believe given all he's had to work against has done a superb job and is singlehandedly responsible for a roaring Stock Market and revitalized economy.  If Obama had accomplished half of what Trump has he would have been made into an modern day FDR.

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